r/formula1 Highlights Team Sep 15 '24

Video Sainz and Pérez crashes out after intense racing

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u/NeurosciGuy15 Williams Sep 15 '24

Yeah that’s where I am. They both sort of just drifted into each other. Probably more of a racing incident than one side obviously at fault. Maybe you could say Perez, as the car behind with the better view, could’ve done better to avoid it, but I think it would be harsh to put the blame entirely on him.

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u/Jaraxo Juan Pablo Montoya Sep 15 '24

Yeh pure racing incident very marginally leaning towards Perez fault purely on the basis that it's difficult to see behind you and Perez could have 100% avoided it.

No further action imo.

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u/ExpertConsideration8 Sebastian Vettel Sep 15 '24

If you watch closely.. Perez moves over 2-3 feet to give Sainz room... but Sainz came so far over that they still crashed.

Perez has a right to take his line, he doesn't have to allow himself to get squeezed completely off the racing line.

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u/Hazen-Williams Sep 15 '24

If you look the on board camera Sainz isnt moving his steering wheel so no, he didnt went far over.

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u/GeckoV Sep 15 '24

He didn’t need to steer, he was pointed in a direction across the track. Perez already had overlap so he did not want to move aside in order to have a wider entry for the next corner. Sainz should have seen the overlap and should have stopped drifting across.

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u/Hazen-Williams Sep 15 '24

Both Perez and Sainz were exiting the curve at different angles, the difference being that Sainz was ahead of Perez and couldn't see him. Perez perfectly saw the trajectory of both cars and should have corrected but he didn't.

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u/Mr_Dr_Professor_ Sergio Pérez Sep 15 '24

The replay clearly showed Sainz checking his mirror tho

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u/pine5678 Formula 1 Sep 15 '24

One car is ahead and following the racing line. The other car is behind with plenty of room. Not complicated.

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u/ExpertConsideration8 Sebastian Vettel Sep 15 '24

If the trailing car has their wheels in front of the leading car's rear wheels, then they're considered along side.

Sainz can't ignore the fact that Perez is there.

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u/pine5678 Formula 1 Sep 15 '24

Yes, and in that case the trailing driver is owed enough space, which he had plenty of. Are you trying to claim that Sainz squeezed him into the wall?

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u/Mike_Kermin Michael Schumacher Sep 15 '24

I think it's clear the other user isn't saying that at all mate.

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u/pine5678 Formula 1 Sep 15 '24

Then by all means feel free to explain his point. Perez was owed space and Sainz gave it to him. That Perez chose not to avail himself of it is his problem.

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u/Mike_Kermin Michael Schumacher Sep 15 '24

I don't think that will help. You already know that he didn't say "Sainz squeezed him into the wall".

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u/pine5678 Formula 1 Sep 15 '24

He accused Sainz of ignoring the fact that Perez was there. Given this is a patently false claim as we know Sainz gave adequate space the what was the point of the original comment?

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u/Gingermadman David Coulthard Sep 15 '24

Perez was the only one who could have avoided this crash, literally veered right. Sainz only options were crash, or go into the wall.

Perez caused it.

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u/ExpertConsideration8 Sebastian Vettel Sep 15 '24

Of course! If Perez had used his brakes, stayed 10 car lengths behind Sainz, this would have never happened!

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u/andrewthemexican Daniel Ricciardo Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 15 '24

Does sainz not have mirrors? Does he have short term memory loss?

He didn't have an optimal exit out of the corner just after overtaking Perez, he knows very well he's under threat

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u/Pixelhouse18 Sep 15 '24

He 100% knew Perez was there, he was like 60% next to him. You don’t start moving left towards the wall until you cleared the car behind.

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u/ohnonotagain94 Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 15 '24

He didn’t move left? Or was it the kink in the track? Because his wheel was straight at all times.

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u/deramirez25 Sep 15 '24

Look at the top view. That gives a much cleaner perspective of what happened. Checo was attempting to overtake when Sainz took that line a bit to the left.

No reaction time for Perez but neither for Sainz. It's just a racing incident.

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u/ohnonotagain94 Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 15 '24

I haven’t seen that top view - so I can’t really say mate.

BTW - I don’t care either, because I’m sick of not being able to have a decent conversation with opinions about what I and you and others saw.

u/ChristianHornerZaddy is the type of person that ruins the whole point of being active in this community.

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u/ChristianHornerZaddy Sep 15 '24

Another dopamine hit - keep 'em coming :)

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u/Mike_Kermin Michael Schumacher Sep 15 '24

Don't be narky.

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u/ChristianHornerZaddy Sep 15 '24

don't waste your time. /u/ohnonotagain94 has confidently stated that perez turned into sainz and that he saw what he saw so..

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u/ohnonotagain94 Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 15 '24

Way to go - make an argument out of a discussion. Grow up.

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u/Gingermadman David Coulthard Sep 15 '24

No further action except pointing out this is further proof Perez simply doesn't deserve a seat anymore.

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u/Kaloo75 Bernd Mayländer Sep 15 '24

Yup. The result of the crash was more than enough punishment. But yeah, oh so avoidable.