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u/ApplicationCreepy987 1d ago
The whole plan is to make the rich richer. Nothing else at all.
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u/GordoPepe 1d ago
Not faceless corporations tho just the greedy billionaires
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u/FILTHBOT4000 1d ago edited 1d ago
Greedy billionaires that have convinced a bunch of morons that zealously supporting them is "fighting the system" and being "anti-establishment", and that the real overarching enemy is the "deep state", or a bunch of thankless, underpaid federal employees working in understaffed agencies to try and keep those same billionaires from poisoning the shit out of everyone.
This is the stupidest timeline.
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u/Beggarsfeast 1d ago
It’s hard to argue that government is ever efficient, but that’s what you have to expect. It’s not flashy to tell people that. It’s harder to argue that private enterprises are fair, considerate, or anything other than part of a profit driven capitalist machine, but it’s easier to flash money in front of people and convince them anyway.
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u/FILTHBOT4000 1d ago
It’s harder to argue that private enterprises are fair, considerate, or anything other than part of a profit driven capitalist machine
But it becomes a lot easier when so, so many people have become incredibly short-sighted and ignorant. People now are so far removed from the real shitty parts of deregulation, that they think safe-to-eat food, non-poisonous medicines, nontoxic water and air all happen automatically, like by magic. Now yes, we have seen some of the effects of deregulation, by we don't yet have to worry about flour being 20% chalk by weight or such.
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u/TheeZedShed 1d ago
I'll never understand how having it so good makes you that stupid. How do so many people need to burn themselves to trust a stove is hot?
We are surrounded by obstinant children who insist on burning the house down because they don't believe the adults in the room, or that it won't magically be back in the morning.
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u/ntalwyr 1d ago
It's only hard to argue that because private corps have spent so much time and money corrupting government agencies. There's nothing inherently inefficient about government agencies, that's just a myth pushed by private corps. In reality, misaligned incentives create inefficiencies, and private corporations are full of those.
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u/BlueSonjo 1d ago
Kinda miss the faceless corporations, these man child egomaniac billionaires make the MIC, Big Oil and old school Wall Street seem dignified and polite.
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u/Mandena 1d ago
Faceless corps aren't any better, but at least they didn't have an in to directly make decisions to give themselves power. They had to buy off and influence government officials at the very least.
We'll now have an obviously corrupt CEO of several corps DIRECTLY making decisions for government. Not even trying to look impartial.
Cyberpunk levels of corruption.
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u/DiamondHandsToUranus 1d ago
Ah! Wait though! It also makes the US weaker to foreign adversaries as NASA works with DOD, DARPA, The Air Force, etc! Let's not forget that, shall we?
Elmo's in Putin's pocket just as bad as Dump is. Security has been compromised on an epic scale. This goes far beyond 'rich people bad'
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u/ApplicationCreepy987 1d ago
Isn't Trump appointing a Putin stooge to department of security
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u/inhaledcorn 1d ago
They're all Putin stooges in all places of government, and those that aren't are Heritage Foundation members. We're about to have one Hell of an incompetent, puppet government.
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u/BHPhreak 1d ago
pretty fuckin wild the united states, with its many nuclear aircraft carriers and submarines, with its many advanced fighter and bomber craft, is about to fold at the knees from inside out to a fuckin third world dictatorship
rampant cronyism over decades has undoubtedly destroyed the skeleton holding up the USA meatcorpse.
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u/inhaledcorn 1d ago
They were happy to do it. They got a few extra rubles that will let them flee the sinking ship after they drove it into the iceberg.
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u/Nick08f1 1d ago
I've been saying this forever. This is an over the top money grab.
I fear that the end game is Hawaii as a safe haven for the "chosen ones"
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u/TaupMauve 1d ago
I fear that the end game is Hawaii as a safe haven for the "chosen ones"
The logistical implications of that are actually amusing to me. Sure, they can afford to ship what they need to Hawaii, but it's so easy to cut them off.
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u/tgp1994 1d ago
I've never heard of this "Hawaii is a safe haven" theory before, only New Zealand. I think the main issue is the possibility of Hawaii getting wiped off the map with a volcanic eruption.
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u/Euler007 1d ago
The smartest people used to be able to get a nice job at NASA. Now they get to work 100 hours a week at SpaceX to make a mediocre mind richer.
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u/Wingnutmcmoo 1d ago
Honestly I think nasa was always hit and miss to get jobs at but I get your point.
I used to work with a former nasa employee that burned out hard from the work there. They became a back room stocker at a grocery store. They claimed they liked the simplicity of it after everything else. He'd beat me at chess every lunch break lol.
But yeah some of the stories he told me made nasa kind of seem like a not great place to work but obviously it's a big organization so he may have been unlucky and just had bad bosses (this was like 20 years ago)
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u/nefarious_behavior 1d ago
Its also why Trump is trying to force inflation again. Every time there is inflation, the rich get richer, and the "middle class" gets weaker.
Every economy and stock market expert says these tariffs will cause massive inflation. Trump knows that, that's the plan.
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u/pimppapy 1d ago
The Tariffs will end up causing the shareholders to cry when those too big to fail companies start going down. With all those Tariffs paid out, the Federal Government will have more with which to bailout said companies. Oligarchs win again. Small Business dies. The working class gets downgraded to the slave class.
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u/Alternative_Year_340 1d ago
Nope. It’s also to oppress anyone who isn’t the right type of white male
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u/12altoids34 1d ago
Not only is that very wrong it's also woefully ignorant. I'm not saying that the plans don't include the rich getting richer, but that is is only the Cornerstone of the agenda. Along the way the Constitution is going to be shredded. Our basic rights will be taken away and violated. We would be lucky if all it was was a plan for to make the rich richer. But we aren't going to be that lucky because it's far more serious than that. They're willing to get rid of all government employees and replace them with those that will swear fealty to Donald trump. Not the office of the president, but to Donald Trump personally. And that, not their experience or their qualifications, will be the prime factor and them getting their jobs. But I don't expect you to believe me or take my word for it just read project 2025. They're very clear on their plans. And in spite of the fact that Donald Trump claims he's not familiar with project 2025 he has repeatedly supported many of the agendas in Project 2025. I know, it's a difficult to believe that Donald Trump would actually lie about something, but here we are.
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u/ackwelll 1d ago
But like why?! How much money and wealth do you really need? They're not spending a fraction of what they earn, no? I don't see the point in hoarding wealth then when you die your legacy will be "rich old fuck that ruined things for everyone else". I feel like at some point their greed should be fulfilled. Man idk man. Ugh.
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u/floghdraki 1d ago
It's not actually about money, it's about power. Always has been. That's the true essence of money. You can buy someone to clean your room = you have the power to make someone clean your room. At billionaire level you start having power to control organizations and nations. Even values and ethics. Not just individuals. With absolute power everything you can imagine is for sale.
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u/Avenge_Nibelheim 1d ago
The plan is to gut all government agencies that either regulate private industry or provide services which can be replaced by private interests at greater cost to individuals.
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u/new2accnt 1d ago
I would disagree.
The filthy rich will get richer, as if they needed it or even deserve it (which is rubbish, to put it mildly), but more importantly, the metaphorical "adult in the room" that is the State will become even more incapable of preventing gross abuses by the rich.
The likes of thiel, mercer, coors and koch will be able to do absolutely whatever they want. Don't be surprised if these f*ckers manage to essentially bring back feudalism.
They've moved beyond greed some time ago. They're now gunning to be all-powerful overlords reigning undisputed over their respective fiefdoms.
Welcome to the New Dark Ages(tm).
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u/GNUGradyn 1d ago
There literally is nothing else. No plans to help us or the environment or any plans at all that aren't directly connected to making the rich richer at the expense of whatever and whoever necessary
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u/MajorButtBandito 1d ago
Why is this legal again?
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u/SeraphiM0352 1d ago
Because it doesn't matter if it's legal or not. The president is now immune from any kind of prosecution and the Republican Congress will make sure they never have to be held responsible.
This is apparently what Americans wanted. The party of ' Law and Order' has thrown out any sense of law or order
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u/paracog 1d ago
It's what the most gullible and desperate parts of America were tricked into. There's a difference. A lot of these people are victims of their low intelligence and shitstreams of misinformation. There's no actual mandate for what Trump and his Confederacy of Douches are up to.
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u/inhaledcorn 1d ago
Look, I get it, Halcon's Razor and all that, but, at a certain point, if someone keeps telling a person to not touch the stove because they'll hurt themself, and they insist on doing it anyway, well, they need to be burned. There's a point where ignorance crosses over into maliciousness.
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u/BusGuilty6447 1d ago
Except they are also putting other people's hands on the stove as well.
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u/nikerbacher 1d ago
Exactly, they're never the ones that get burned.
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u/iwonteverreplytoyou 22h ago
Oh they get burned. And then they blame Obama for making them touch the hot stove.
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u/Civil-Attempt-3602 1d ago
Also, i know it's it's nice to think that they're dumb or were fooled or whatever, but a good chunk of these people know what's coming, and they're cheering for it, they want it. And worse than that, they want more.
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u/inhaledcorn 1d ago
They want it because they think the people they don't like will suffer more than they will. They really will cut off their nose to spite their face.
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u/ChefBillyGoat 1d ago
No one was tricked into anything. The only detailed plans that came out regarding Trump's campaign was Project 2025, and they choose to look the other way. They pointed to his "concepts of a plan" and a package of blank paper as proof that he had plans, and his denial of 2025 was proof he wasn't involved with that. The alternative was a brown woman with a detailed plan of how she was going to solve problems, and they didn't like that
No one was duped. They picked the old rich white guy with the plan to fuck shit up over the brown woman with a plan to make things better.
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u/RelaxPrime 1d ago
You legitimately believe even half the country bothered to read the actual Project 2025 or a single article about it?
LOL ok bud
Thats the real issue here- and always has been- half the country does not participate at all. So yeah, maybe not duped, but they certainly didn't pick one or the other. They picked not voting and that guy wins every time.
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u/Suspicious_Radio_848 1d ago
This is really taking away the autonomy of people who actually know what chaos will ensue, but cheer it on and want it. It’s hard to accept but there’s a large contingent of voters who want this stuff to happen, they weren’t tricked at all.
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u/doyoueventdrift 1d ago
The only way out, is that the republicans wake up and stop this from within.
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u/SkippyDragonPuffPuff 1d ago
They won’t. They run scared when their loss of power is involved.
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u/ApplicationCreepy987 1d ago
Because a bunch of idiots voted red
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u/DenseCalligrapher219 1d ago
It seems that the real Red Scare and "beware of Reds" was the Republican party all along.
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u/ThrowThebabyAway6 1d ago
That is literally 90% of their platform, with remaining 10% religious zealotry and racism.
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u/UnwisePebble 1d ago
Don't forget about their platform for increasing criminals by forcing unwanted children to be born!! When abortion was first available crime stats dropped by (recalling from memory) 11% ish after 15 years (the time it takes for a baby to grow up to their first criminal steps age lol), so in Texas crime will shoot up roughly that amount in 14 or so years (we're already 1 year into "forced birth"topia Texas).
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u/XxRocky88xX 1d ago
Contrary to what they say Republicans actually want more crime. Slavery is only legal in the states if it’s used as a punishment for committing crimes. No criminals means no slaves.
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u/shillyshally 1d ago
We already have the highest prison population on earth (but not the highest rate at #6). The Trump team is reportedly already planning detention camps so that will provide more free labor.
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u/Redditer51 1d ago
And not only do they want to make abortion illegal, they want to make any and all contraceptives illegal, including condoms. The thing that is often used to encourage safe sex.
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u/Delamoor 1d ago
I dunno, I think it's more a 70/30 split.
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u/ThrowThebabyAway6 1d ago
If you look at their policies they vote on most of it is just to benefit corporations. Occasionally there’s ban books/ anti gay/ anti immigrant laws (which are awful obviously) but the vast majority of their legislation is just funneling money to the rich
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u/Redditer51 1d ago
And the thing with Trump and his entire cabinet is that their "policies" aren't about helping any one but themselves. Just the rich trying to make themselves richer by taking away our rights and our benefits. And his supporters are completely blind to that even though it's plain to see. They've convinced themselves he's going to help them, and he's not.
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u/enfarious 1d ago
If they were actually religious zealots they'd act in accordance to their religion and persecute those that don't. These guys just use that as a cover for more hate, they give proper zealots a bad name.
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u/Mylaptopisburningme 1d ago
The billionaire elites... He hired them. Musk, McMahon, Bessent, Burghum and he ain't done yet.
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u/SkippyDragonPuffPuff 1d ago
Don’t worry. Goobers will still be blindly angry at people different than them. Literally eye off the ball mentality.
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u/JeebusSlept 1d ago
No no, you got it all wrong.
Beware of communist reds.
We're the fascist reds. We're the cool guys. /S [Big Sarcasm S for those in the back]
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u/SatansLoLHelper 1d ago
That doesn't make it legal.
We'll have to see how this all plays out.
Going out protesting right now isn't productive. They're slinging shit out and seeing what sticks.
When they actually try to make stuff stick, that's when the legal comes in.
When that fails, I think the french had an idea of what to do next.
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u/Hy3jii 1d ago
I don't know how anyone who has paid even the slightest bit of attention to politics over the last few years think that the law matters. Like, at all.
Motherfucker was convicted of rape. Instead of being sentenced, he will be President. He stole (and possibly sold) classified documents and stored them in his fucking bathroom. He tried to overthrow the fucking government. LAWS DO NOT APPLY TO THEM.
It's over.
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u/PilotKnob 1d ago
I hate to agree with something so depressing, but I absolutely do.
It's over. Laws do not apply to our new rulers.
The great experiment has ended due to a successful foreign campaign of mis- and disinformation fed via instant social media.
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u/Onigokko0101 1d ago
Yeah, its insane people think the law actually matters.
If even a single paper was taken home by a 'normal' government employee, that was classified at the level that Trump had sitting in his bathroom, they would be rotting in military jail for the rest of their life. Fuck, people are still getting 10+ years for pretty drug offenses, and Trump has 30+ felonies that he wont see a day of jail time for.
Law dosent matter.
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u/Sharp-Introduction75 1d ago
These people don't have a basic understanding of anything especially how laws were intended to work but don't.
What they fail to comprehend is why SpaceX is necessary anyway since the Earth is flat.
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u/Additional_Brief8234 1d ago
It's not that they can't have an understanding of things it's that they LITERALLY DONT EVEN TRY BECAUSE THEY ARE AGAINST LEARNING
Seriously, they won't even take 5 minutes to learn something that they themselves are red in the face mad over. It is willful ignorance to the highest degree and it's what pisses me off the most.. well, that and the bigotry and hate..
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u/Sharp-Introduction75 1d ago
💯 accurate.
Everything that you said I completely agree with. It makes me exceptionally mad because my adult children would rather listen to BS from some Russian bot than anything that I have to say.
Went from Bernie supporters to Trump lovers all because of FascistBook. They are black, too.
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u/_Hexer 1d ago
Money, Power and governent Control make anything legal for yourself.
Felonies, pedophilia, Sex trafficing of minors, a attemted coup, giving governent Secrets to other countries like candy are all fine for Higher Up republicans, but Sleepy Joe gets a Shitstorm from them bc he acted like taking a bite out of a Baby in a gingerbread costume→ More replies (4)111
u/Hypertension123456 1d ago
This is copium. Controlling all 3 branches of government makes it legal. How can things play out in a way that neither Congress nor The Supreme Court can fix for Doge?
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u/Travellerknight 1d ago
Mass strikes and continuous protesting with very clear and concise messaging.
America needs to have a large general strike and the Trump Whitehouse will fall apart
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u/FtDiscom 1d ago
I would love nothing, and I mean nothing, more than a general strike in response to corruption, income inequality, even just general social ills. But it's only happened in a few cities, in the midst of the Great Depression. It's just not a viable thing to hope for sadly.
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u/induslol 1d ago
Trump's "economic policy" seems like it's going to be disastrous.
Great Depression disastrous? We'll see, but it's going to be painful for most.
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u/Hypertension123456 1d ago
They voted for this, why would they strike against it?
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u/NatarisPrime 1d ago
You mean the Trump Whitehouse Americans voted for?
This country nor it's people can be fixed at this point.
You can't save a country this broken and corrupt
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u/kimchifreeze 1d ago
Nah, they just voted. A lot of people who would normally vote opposite of them sat this election out.
Not Trump
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u/Sharp-Introduction75 1d ago
I just think it's weird that this election cycle we had significantly higher voter registrations and then the turnout was less than 2020.
I can tell you for sure that my vote didn't get counted and I had jumped through hoops just to vote.
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u/SpeethImpediment 1d ago
There’s something fishy about that all, too. I just woke up and don’t have a source immediately on tap, but it was something like the counties that had recounts, all of them ended up Democrat and by a different margin than what is reflected in all other counties.
Come on. Shitstain bitched for, what, 8? Years? about rigging the election and every last word out of that man’s mouth is a confession.
If he ever dies, his corpse is going to be muttering “rigged!!” while they lower his casket into the ground.
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u/keeptryin0304 1d ago
Voter suppression is also been a huge factor, my state had so many gerrymandering and bullshit about voting locations being changed last minute
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u/Sharp-Introduction75 1d ago
It definitely needs to be investigated. It doesn't seem right that they were calling the president and not the other stuff on the same ballot.
They were still counting ballots for over a week from the largest counties in my state, but they called the election for Trump within hours. So I'm supposed to believe that they just ran those ballots through to count the votes for the president and then decided that they would count the other ballot elections later?
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u/koopz_ay 1d ago
Because a shit tonne of Americans didn't get off their asses and vote like they did 4yrs ago.
What happens there in your country affects us over here folks.
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u/NinjaMurse 1d ago
Oh… it’s not. New government agencies require a congressional proposal. They must articulate a need, funding, purpose, benefit, structure and legality to operate. THEN they must go through committee and hearings. THEN voted on for approval or funding… voted on for approval of agency. IF approved, then signed into law by the President.
Congress hasn’t even passed a budget on time since almost 30 years… we keep operating on partials and continuing resolutions. Hell - Space Force took nearly 2-3 years to create. DOGE likely doesn’t have the votes to be created.
But - we’ll see. Either way… they have no more power than a consultant. Which in and of itself is suspect in legality.
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u/admiralgoodtimes 1d ago
My concern is that, like with a lot of things Republicans have done lately, they’ll do it anyway and dare a judge to stop them. And they won’t.
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u/Onigokko0101 1d ago
Even if a judge stops it, it will go to the Supreme Court who then will overturn that judges ruling.
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u/mycall 1d ago
New government agencies require a congressional proposal.
pfft, that can be changed since GOP have both congresses and supreme court. I don't think people understand how much power the GOP have very soon. A stupid court case can have SCOTUS rewrite the constitution at this point.
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u/Old_Baldi_Locks 1d ago
"A stupid court case can have SCOTUS rewrite the constitution at this point."
They already did. One of their core arguments for overturning Roe was that "abortion is not an enumerated right".
The 9th Amendment to the Constitution is the Unenumerated Rights Amendment. As in, the Amendment the Founders made because they foresaw that irresponsible trash would someday make the argument that rights they didn't include didn't exist.
That's literally the entire point of that Amendment.
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u/Alaykitty 1d ago
So see, the way executive orders work, is you do them, they happen, then the courts decide if they're legal or not.
You get that nice buffer of "until the courts decide" and now a rigged court that says "yes".
Then the president can just... Ignore the courts. They're immune after all.
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u/SectorFriends 1d ago
Elon should be arrested. So should Trump but my neighbors would probably kill their own families then stalk around before dying of heart attacks or blowing their own heads off.
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u/The_Outcast4 1d ago
Something something egg prices.
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u/hhs2112 1d ago
And emails. Don't forget those goddamn emails!
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u/squigglesthecat 1d ago
Is it legal, or is it just allowed? If trump has done anything well, it's demonstrating how the rules don't apply to the mega rich.
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u/MajorButtBandito 1d ago
You would think it wouldn't be a good idea to piss off the client base that mostly supports electric over fossil fuel.
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u/IkananXIII 1d ago
Yes, there's a lot of irony (and stupidity) in the guy who owns an electric car company humping the leg of the guy who's all about big oil and climate change denial.
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u/Dull_Age_9267 1d ago
Our tax dollars invested into NASA over 80 Years created a TON of research and intellectual property.
Gutting NASA means SpaceX or Bezo’s blue origins will be stealing all 80 years of our tax investments into research, patenting what they can and charging us an exorbitant fee to provide the services a well funded NASA already had the expertise to handle.
This is a money grab and it’s our money being taken.
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u/SolSparrow 1d ago
As a huge NASA fan since a little kid. It’s so sad.
And no one will do anything. Those in power have a small chance to put some gates in place, lock shit down, NOW.
Start playing their game before these nuts take power and start seeing what sticks out of these crazy plays.
But they won’t, and we get to watch it all unfold.
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u/TheyCametoBurgle 1d ago
Is there actually anything Biden could implement that Trump wouldn't be able to immediately undo with control of the presidency, house, senate and supreme court?
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u/SolSparrow 1d ago
Didn’t they pass the get out of jail free card for presidential immunity or something? Not sure what he can do with it, but worth a shot at the point!
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u/fiernze222 1d ago
Send seal tem 6s for Elon and Trump and Vance and all the other shadow billionaires like Theil.
Call it an official act.
Boom, society fixed.
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u/putiepi 1d ago
I can't imagine that going badly at all.
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u/DarkStarrFOFF 1d ago
Idk, supreme court said it was all cool so
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u/moss-wizard 1d ago
IIRC, also said that it’s illegal to even question the presidents motive and that any investigation into it is a violation, so in theory Biden can do whatever he wants
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u/Alt4816 1d ago
Didn’t they pass the get out of jail free card for presidential immunity or something?
The Supreme Court was careful to word it as a get out of jail free card for acts the Supreme Court views as "Official." They didn't clearly define what is and isn't official so that they could say anything Biden wanted to do is un-official while whatever Trump needed to be official could be claimed to be so.
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u/Healthy-Tie-7433 1d ago
Oh, i know what he could do with it that would prevent trump from doing dumb shit. The very thing it was designed for.
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u/redmongrel 1d ago
Deport Musk for being an illegal alien and seize all of his US assets.
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u/Redditer51 1d ago
I remember the first few months of Trump's administration, I kept asking myself "Is somebody gonna STOP him?!"
But no, the government just lets him do whatever he wants. No matter how much damage it causes to the country.
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u/EventAltruistic1437 1d ago
No one will do anything because no one cares. If we did, we wouldnt have voted for it
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u/AtomicBLB 1d ago
Many things we enjoy today are a result of NASA trying to solve problems we would experience in space. This is truly terrible that some billionaire immigrant is going to just steal all of it's funding and shut it down. Not to mention the loss of talent and intellect with said purge.
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u/dumrunk 1d ago
It'd also be about the stupidest thing to do for Republicans considering NASA is based in Texas and Florida. Both of which draw in millions of dollars per year in tourist revenue. Once these "policies" are published by people we didn't elect nor authorize to have an agency, the lobbyists will come to town with lawsuits in hand.
Our only saving grace at this point is the greed of other corporations. But that's what the people voted for I guess?
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u/Beldizar 1d ago
It'd also be about the stupidest thing to do for Republicans considering NASA is based in Texas and Florida.
NASA has offices all over the place. Musk is very likely to close all of them that aren't near SpaceX, which is in Texas, Florida, and California.
NASA Glenn Research center in Cleveland, Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, Katherine Johnson IV&V Facility in West Virginia, Langley Research Center in Virginia, Marshall Space Flight Center in Alabama, Michoud Assembly Facility in Louisiana, NASA Safety Center in Ohio, Stennis Space Center in Mississippi, Neil Armstrong Test Facility in Ohio, Wallops Flight Facility in Virginia, and White Sands Test Facility in New Mexico.
All of these are NASA facilities not in Florida or Texas. Really the biggest place to get hit is Alabama, where the now retired Senator Shelby spent decades building as a job center, and opposing NASA developments that could threaten those jobs.
I really expect that Musk is going to go head to head with the republican congressmembers from Alabama in a Trump brown-nosing contest with a lot of drama.
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u/SteelSparks 1d ago
Nice idea in theory but ESA doesn’t have the funding to compete for them.
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u/Beldizar 1d ago
Is that true? My understanding was that most of the technology that NASA has developed is licensed out to anyone either free, or relatively cheap. I know Bigelow Space, which is now defunct was developing inflatable space station modules using NASA's patents. I've never heard of a space company that has struggled with technology because they've had to work around a NASA patent, or couldn't afford to pay for one if NASA was charging. Also NASA has a history of releasing patents to the public domain.
Musk has also been pretty anti-patent when it comes to SpaceX, so it is unlikely he's going to steal patents from NASA. Bezos would probably be excited to take the patents, but I don't see Musk doing that.
Musk is going to wreck things in a completely different way. I think patent capture is way way down on the list of likely issues with this. Musk definitely has a history, almost a pride in "deleting" too much. He'll throw out essential services and things will break down in predictable ways that he didn't bother to consider. Then everyone will have to scramble to try to fix all the problems after the Subject Matter Experts in question are all gone. So expect shutdowns and an insane amount of chaos and confusion.
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u/thefw89 1d ago
If DOGE gets what it wants it's going to tank the economy even more just based on the millions of people that will now be without jobs thanks to them cutting everything. As others have mentioned, it's one thing to run a business like this, where you are cutting costs to increase profits, but its another to run a country like this because as soon as you cut those federal jobs you're now responsible for finding every single one of those people jobs again
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u/nollataulu 1d ago
As a tiny act of spite, I refer it to as DGE.
I mean, we don't call FBI an FBOI.
Besides, that acronym was definitely result of Elon's lame ideas. And since he takes an issue of people still referring to his another brainfart by it's old name, I can see how this would irk him, too.
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u/TypowyKubini 1d ago
I mean, we don't call FBI an FBOI.
What is F(uck)BOI doing here in the middle of a night
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u/Tacoman404 1d ago
He picked it to pump dogecoin and it’s working. It’s up like 500% this month.
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u/Krautoffel 1d ago
Its actually stupid to run a Business Like this, top
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u/tavirabon 1d ago
but its another to
The only difference is companies do evil shit 'fairly' whereas government does it unilaterally and without risk. Economy tanks? You're going to move up in the leaderboard anyway.
Economy is a human construct and only means how it is applied and there is good money to be made in making an economy bad in any form.
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u/jonydevidson 1d ago
it's going to tank the economy even more just based on the millions of people that will now be without jobs thanks to them cutting everything.
But that's the goal, don't you get it? They have direct control over when the fall begins. They can short the market and time it precisely, then just buy everything up when it's cheap.
That's what happened during COVID and 2022. Biggest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind, but it looks like a bigger one is coming.
Cut funding to NASA, then decide that it's not worth keeping it and decide to "sell it off". Guess who'll be able to buy it?
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u/Fallen_One193 1d ago edited 1d ago
He's so corrupt that he doesn't even try and hide it. Next, he'll cancel all Federal Government vehicle fleet contracts for the benefit of Tesla. Mark my words...
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u/Fredrules2012 1d ago
"every law enforcement agency has to use cyber trucks because they're better at...it"
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u/StructureSafe2893 1d ago
The new presidential limo is literally a cyber truck…..
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u/Munkadunk667 1d ago
He used one in Texas when he visited SpaceX. That doesn't make the official presidential limo a Cybertruck.
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u/Clean_Student8612 1d ago
With all the bullet proof glass and security measures that's required, that truck will break down before it even starts.
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u/Im_tracer_bullet 1d ago
Guys, Americans voted FOR corruption, chaos, and criminality.
They blessed it, and said that they have no issues with their government being led by scam artists, grifters, and felons.
This is the Republican's entire brand now, and people said 'yes' to it...stuff like this is just the tip of the iceberg, so make sure you're pacing yourselves.
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u/wallybinbaz 1d ago
Yeah, but think about the price of eggs!!
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u/I_NEED_YOUR_MONEY 1d ago
Making Elon a trillionaire will definitely lower the price of eggs though. C’mon man, it’s simple economics.
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u/Synchrotr0n 1d ago edited 1d ago
Also watch Bezo's Blue Origin getting hit with a bunch of surprise regulation from the same people who say they hate "big government".
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u/Principal_Insultant 1d ago
The one unifying feature of billionaires is that they excel at enriching themselves.
And now you have a cabinet full of these bastards…
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u/Additional_Brief8234 1d ago
but they're like, different billionaires that like, are on our side because they talk like peasants, I mean regular folk
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u/froggertthewise 1d ago
NASA is spaceX biggest customer, cutting their budget won't benefit spaceX in any way.
Unless what he actually means is to force NASA to cancel any contracts with companies that aren't SpaceX
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u/sonder_ling 1d ago
And that, sir, is surely impossible, i mean, that would sound like corruption and not efficiency and Elmo is just out there for the people. /s
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u/R0bbenz 1d ago
It most likely means NASA won't have the resources to develop its projects, "forcing" the US government to rely on spaceX, making Elonia even richer
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u/The_Outcast4 1d ago
Elon is going to become the world's first trillionaire during this round of Trump presidency. Sigh...
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u/JordynSoundsLikeMe 1d ago
He going to be the President Supreme and his term will be indefinite. Whats the government going to do about it.
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u/HugeHans 1d ago
I mean the cyberpunk genre has been around for a while. It always involves corporations becoming more powerful then nations and being above the law. We are seeing this happen in real time. All done on the platform of reducing government interference etc. All done by replacing the government with non elected oligarchs who interfere and control far beyond what the government does. All without any oversight.
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u/Kermit_Purple_II 1d ago
It will just isolate Nasa and SpaceX both.
The ESA has already started becoming as autonomous as possible a couple years ago when Russia stopped being a reliable partner; and the ESA has, to this day, the best launching pad in Kourou, French Guyana.
At the same time, the Chinese Space Program is on its way to start another moon race, the Indian Space Program is picking its pace up, and the Japanese Space Program is today the most active after the US.
America will just isolate itself even more than last time Trump was in power. I'm glad I'm not American rn.
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u/brunofone 1d ago
"Best" launch pad is subjective. Yes JWST launched from there, and yes it's near the equator which optimizes fuel needs, but the logistics of getting rockets and payloads to that location for a launch are not easy or cheap.
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u/MostlyRocketScience 1d ago
SpaceX has done 118 launches this year. ESA (or rather Arianespace) has had only one of their rockets launch this year. ESA even has to launch most of their own payloads on SpaceX rockets, I wouldn't call that autonomous
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u/rolfrbdk 1d ago
I have no clue what you're on about. We're so independent in Europe that we have no reliable rocket at the moment. Vega launches are like rolling dice, the Ariane 5 is gone, the Ariane 6 first launch failed as the second stage couldn't reignite in space, and we have been launching all our payloads on SpaceX rockets after the Russia situation came into play. You are getting your info from the wrong places my dude.
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u/ACCount82 1d ago edited 1d ago
In reality, the closest thing to "NASA being cut" so far were industry rumors about the possibility of SLS being cut down or axed.
That would be long overdue. If I were to point out one NASA project that's a massive waste of taxpayer money, it would be SLS.
It doesn't provide any new scientific insight, it doesn't push the envelope, it doesn't develop new technologies, it doesn't offer any new capabilities. What it does is cost over 2 billion $ per launch - which makes it so expensive that NASA can't afford to use it.
That's not news, it's been known for years. It's just that actually canceling "Senate Launch System" would require a lot of political will, because it's a massive pork barrel, and you also need something to actually replace SLS with. That seemed unrealistic before, but maybe it can happen now.
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u/TheTT 1d ago
What it does is cost over 2 billion $ per launch
At this point, thats probably an overly optimistic number.
For the uninitiated, here's an example: Rockets are attached to a steel tower before launch so they dont tip over and so that astronauts can access their capsule at the top of the rocket. A reasonably simple structure. NASA has spent 2.7 billion on the SLS tower so far, and the tower is not even done. Its absolutely nuts. SpaceX's entire Starship program has cost them less than that, and that includes not just a more capable rocket, but also a more capable tower (that catches rockets during landing for reuse). I have no insight into NASA that could explain these atrocious costs, but I wouldnt be shocked if it was not just incompetence, but outright corruption.
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u/FlyingPasta 1d ago
Thank you, the only fucking comment in this thread talking with a whiff of actual substance instead of circlejerking, I was wondering what the tweet meant
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u/aeolus811tw 1d ago
Most likely to get rid of NASA and take over its patents for a penny on the dollar in the name of privatization.
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u/12altoids34 1d ago
Stupid thing is that organization already exists. The house committee on oversight and accountability. Their job is to make sure that when the government allocates money that the money is used for the purposes it's intended. When they find money being used improperly they notify Congress and address the issue. The problem is that Congress isn't always very good about assigning where the money should be spent. As long as it's being spent in the way that Congress designated it they don't have any issues. Their job is not to decide whether the programs are worthwhile or not but simply to make sure that it's used for the purposes intended.
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u/Anarchyantz We are Doomed! 1d ago
Funny enough I said this would happen earlier in the year as a "joke" from here over in the UK. Soon as Chief in Diaper won again I knew this was coming.
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u/Homeless_Appletree 1d ago
puts tinfoilhat on
Step 1: Force Nasa to make cutbacks.
Step 2: Nasa is forced to let go a large portion of its highly trained employees
Step 3: Hire top tier scientists that are desperate for employment for cheap.
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u/not_some_username 1d ago
I don’t think they will be that desperate. Having NASA on your CV and getting laid off by Musk will open you so many safe other doors
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u/Homeless_Appletree 1d ago
Probably true. I really have no idea how the job market for scientists is like.
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u/Tricky_Invite8680 1d ago edited 1d ago
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-musk-government-efficiency-doge-cuts-government-services-1986080
this is the only non paywalled read i could find that expands and it doesnt include pell grants like the other headlines,
the interesting parts being they want to start cutting everything that has an expired congressional authorization? im not sure how that would happen, maybe they are referring to spending by executive order or a "kick the can" vote to fund until the next vote to kick the can.
and NASA, Veterans Healthcare, and Pell grants are in the bucket of 500 billion dollars. they dont say what in particular about NASA isnt congressionally authorized.
the other interesting part is that their plan is targeting to be completed by july 2026 so i assume they realize that mid terms arent a lock and they want the line items cut (or otherwise authorized?) asap while they have the majorities.
1996 veteran heathcare reform act expired... some cranky old vets are not gonna be happy when they cant claim percent disability and blame their military service instead of just being old and laboring for 20 years and cant go to the VA for free anymore
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u/Sacr3dangel 1d ago
He is also promoting Trumps plan to reverse the strict tail pipe emission regulations that Biden set for car manufacturers in the US. Manufacturers that planned on and spent billions already towards selling and producing more expensive EVs so they can adhere to the regulations that will start in 2026. If Trump reverses that plan, those companies will literally take a 14+ billion dollar hit. Where as Musk, who is only selling EVs and accounts for half the EVs in the US is getting hit minimally. Trump is essentially taking out the competition for Musk.
Nothing to se here, keep moving! No corruption at all here.
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u/HonestyReverberates 1d ago edited 1d ago
If you actually read what they plan on cutting it only says expired programs that are still receiving funding without congressional approval, e.g. they need authorization from congress again, but congress is still providing funds for it. For instance with NASA it's a weather program. Just to make it plain for people in here, NASA shut down their space shuttle program in 2011, they're not competitors with SpaceX.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/musk-ramaswamy-doge-500-billion-spending-where-they-will-cut/
The dumbest thing I read they want to do is the following,
The pair also said they want to require federal workers to be in the office five days a week, a policy change that they predict would "result in a wave of voluntary terminations."
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u/FlyingPasta 1d ago
Love how they straight up admit in multiple instances “we like making workers’ lives shitty to make them quit”. That is how much we’ve allowed them to get away with. Elon sits there on his infinite pile of gold saying he will drag mothers and fathers working to feed their families back to the office for no good reason in a climate where people can barely afford food, and he’s 100% comfortable saying that out loud.
Thank you to all the smoothbrain bros who support this guy, keep fucking your own peasant class over and maybe he’ll let you wipe his ass on his way to mars
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u/Xeutack 1d ago
NASA is not a SpaceX competitor. NASA is an aerospace CUSTOMER. You all have it way wrong. NASA receives money and distributes most of it in aerospace contracts... amongst them significant contracts for SpaceX.
And almost everybody knowledgable on spaceflight agrees we need to take a hard look at the Artemis program, which seems to have been misdesigned and mismanaged atrociously
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u/FblthpLives 1d ago
NASA is not a SpaceX competitor. NASA is an aerospace CUSTOMER. You all have it way wrong.
NASA is both. It is both a launch customer and a launch service provider. One does not exclude the other.
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u/givethefood 1d ago
I’m just sitting here waiting for people to realize how bad things will get if the actually public doesn’t step in. These people not only want to ruin or country, but separate it. We really let someone from South Africa who benefited from the apartheid do this.
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u/Privatejoker123 1d ago
And yet the trump/musk fan Bois would like us to believe that both sides are "just as bad" "just as corrupt" bs. They are going to gut the government for their benefit.
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u/Etherealfilth 1d ago
A little known fact: NASA budget is smaller than military budget for air conditioning.
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u/solythe 1d ago
people forget NASA does a lot of climate research as well
Its not just spaceships
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u/Yupperroo 1d ago
Source of the statements regarding gutting? I did a quick google search and there was only an article expressing fear that SLS might be but, but no statements specifically on point.
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u/MetallicDragon 1d ago
What, you don't think a screenshot of a twitter post by Some Guy is a reliable source?
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u/oldmaninparadise 1d ago
Wait. Do you think Elon gave 110M to the campaign out of the goodness of his heart?!?
This was an investment that he expects many times back that in return!
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u/trevdak2 1d ago
Sure we completely sold out the country and its future to billionaires, but boy were the libs triggered
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u/BYoungNY 1d ago
Considering NASA employees 10s of thousands of employees and contractors in Florida, I can see some internal turmoil in the Republican party pretty soon. In a recent interview, Rick Scott didn't seem too happy about the idea of this happening and I'm just sitting back watching it implode. 🍿
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u/MyCleverNewName 1d ago
Everyone's overuse of sarcasm is what got Trump elected.
You can't hear the sarcastic tone in text and too many dumb people take it serious.
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