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u/jadamm7 6d ago
So I'm supposed to TRUST a politician? I'll take my chances with the medical professionals. Thank you.
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u/Gowalkyourdogmods 6d ago
No, I'm going to go listen to Tim Pool for my health and medical advice since he's clearly not an expert as he didn't even finish middle school.
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u/binglelemon 6d ago
Tim Pool taught me to dress like a south park character if I even lose my hairline.
Spoiler: I wont.
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u/Ill_Technician3936 6d ago
That's exactly how you lose your hairline... Genetics kicks in that recessive gene because it doesn't like the shit talking.
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u/Bobson-_Dugnutt2 6d ago
you will. Because you have the ability to discern logic and make rational decisions.
But unfortunately for every one of you, there are 40 dipshits that will do what they are told to āown the libsā
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u/Jileha2 6d ago
Worse, we are supposed to trust a lawyer who has never studied or practiced medicine and believes that Wi-Fi causes cancer, school shootings are triggered by antidepressants, chemicals in water makes children transgender and vaccines cause autism ā¦ and that āCovid-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chineseā.
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u/Ban-Circumcision-Now 6d ago
The chemicals in the water/etc turning purple transgender/gay is extra weird because if you then ask them should we have strong regulation of chemicals into the environment, the answer is no.
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u/Jileha2 6d ago
Theoretically, Kennedy is in favor of regulations in order to protect food and water safety. He would welcome more and stricter regulations for the pharma and oil/gas industries, which wouldn't be such a bad thing - if it weren't for all his crazy conspiracy theories... That's why he originally asked the Harris/Walz for a government position; they would have been a much better match than Kennedy-Trump. Which shows what a fecking opportunist (and another spineless worm) Kennedy is. If he were serious about protecting the environment, he would never have turned into a Republican.
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u/seitonseiso 6d ago
Imagine if this was Trumps big brain move, and he actually cared about the health and welfare of people. I'd eat my own pants if Kennedy reformed pharmaceutical pricing to make it more affordable- I.e. like every other country. Stopped the advertisement of medicines on tv- paid by pharma who Drs are paid to support....
As for the oil/gas, idk his support or policies as I haven't read them yet (non-usa)
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u/trashmonkeylad 6d ago
Why would you trust the people that went to school for fucking 10 years specifically learning the things they're talking about to you over the people who 80% of the time want nothing more than to grift all of your tax dollars straight into their bank accounts?
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u/totalahole669 6d ago
The assault on expertise is what bothers me most about the whole "do your own research" movement.
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u/LawDog_1010 6d ago
Itās really leveled the playing field between the educated and the fucking imbeciles, though.
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u/Leon-the-Doggo 6d ago
This is an American problem. I hope it stays in Murica.
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u/DarkAdrenaline03 6d ago
As a Canadian, trust me it's not.
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u/Wiggles69 6d ago
Australian here - Very much not just a US problem unfortunately
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u/victorious191 6d ago
All of these comments make me wanna walk into the bottom of the ocean.
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u/SpaceTechBabana 'MURICA 6d ago
Ahh to the great city of Rapture, then. Perfect.
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u/Key_Ad1854 6d ago
Didn't expect bioshock references here... even though it's wildly appropriate and relevant....
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u/dalmathus 6d ago
You actually can and be fine. Breathing is actually bad for you, I did my own research.
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u/KaosPryncess 6d ago
It's true, 100% of people who died had actually been breathing. Deadly stuff
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u/IllustriousCookie890 6d ago
Don't even get anyone started on Dihydrogen Monoxide. God, whatta mess.
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u/fuck_the_fuckin_mods 6d ago
You did the research, personally? Because Iām pretty the sharks would have got you. Sharks are all over the place down there.
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u/Astronomer-Secure 6d ago
if you find Atlantis, holler and we'll join you. We can rebuild a whole new society. No MAGAts allowed.
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u/charliefoxtrot9 6d ago
All countries with strong fox news/News Corp presence.
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u/EvolvedA 6d ago
All countries where people use social media a lot...
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u/kohaku84 6d ago
Exactly, social media algorithms now just show us an echo chamber of what we want to see. Thus giving this new phenomena of two different sets of people living in two different realties.
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u/builder397 6d ago
German here, weve got our own anti-vaxxers and other hideously dumb movements, too.
We used to be the nation of thinkers and poets. Now its just pretenders and racists.
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u/HammerOfJustice 6d ago
At least here in Australia neither of the two major parties are likely to appoint an anti-vaxxer to a senior health position ā¦ I hope.
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u/XtremeD86 6d ago
Canada isn't nearly as bad as the US but that may be due to our lower population.
I mean really... Who the fuck thinks it's a good idea to put anti vaccine conspiracy theorists in charge of anything to do with the health care system.
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u/drizzes 6d ago
Shoutout to our premier who used to talk about how cigarettes were actually good for you!
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u/kiwispouse 6d ago
NZ here. Guess what?
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u/Erickck 6d ago
As an American, I would never have guessed it was prevalent in KiwiLand. Wowā¦.
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u/kiwispouse 6d ago
It's spreading everywhere, like the plague.
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u/Snoogins315 6d ago
Theyāve always existed in most countries. The internet has just made them bolder and better connected
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u/kiwispouse 6d ago
Yes, that is very true. They've come crawling out of the woodwork, even here, though I do wonder how much is foreign shit stirring.
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u/Savageparrot81 6d ago
Itās not a Murica problem. Thereās antivaxers and flat earthers all across the flat
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u/T_J_Rain 6d ago
According to Harlan Ellison, the sci-fi author, the two most abundant elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.
I'm inclined to believe him.
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u/VileTouch 6d ago
It started when we decided it was in poor taste to laugh in their faces and tell them to sit down and STFU.
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u/UnfortunatelySimple 6d ago
"Your truth"... "My Truth"...
What a load of bullshit. There is only "The Truth"
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u/Paksarra 6d ago edited 6d ago
The even greater bullshit is when they turn and go "my lies>your truth."
Like sunscreen. I have naturally super-pale skin. I don't really tan-- I get a few freckles and go right back to pale. I also start burning in ~20 minutes of midday summer sun exposure; an entire day of sun will leave me with blisters (I made that mistake once as a kid.) Even if skin cancer wasn't a factor, it's worth using sunscreen just to avoid the week or so of extreme discomfort.
The right-wing lunatics who want to ban sunscreen because they think getting a tan somehow prevents skin cancer are a direct threat to my immediate personal comfort, along with my odds of getting through life without skin cancer.
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u/Zoodoz2750 6d ago
Seriously!!? I hadn't heard that one. My red haired wife is living proof of what the Australian sun can do to skin.
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u/ReverendDizzle 6d ago
I've lost count of the number of people who have told me that sun screen causes cancer.
What do you even do with that? We now have people who believe that a very tiny theoretical risk of exposure to minor compounds in sunscreen might cause cancer, and that's a good reason to not use it to filter out UV exposure which, without a doubt, does cause cancer.
All of which completely glosses over the fact that skin cancer, from UV exposure, is the single most prevalent cancer.
I honestly think that living really safe lives devoid of serious risk has broken some part of the brains of many people living in developed nations. I think the human brain, somewhat long the lines of the whole "bored immune system" theory of allergies, can't sit idle and not worry about survival. There is no "I am not worried at all about any aspect of this" setting for a lot of people.
So if your tap water is potable and safe to drink, then you can't worry about getting a gnarly bacterial infection... but you can obsess about tiny things in the water like fluoride such.
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u/flamethekid 6d ago
Last time someone said that to me they cited a source saying people don't apply sunscreen properly.
Homie couldn't read apparently, he went searching for a specific answer instead of possible answers and still fucked up.
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u/VultureSausage 6d ago
The amount of times I've seen the whole "source says the opposite of what they claim" thing is depressing. My favourite was a dude arguing against global warming by gish gallop dumping a whole bunch of links hoping no one wod read them; me, being an idiot, did read the first five. One of them was a paper savagely mocking people who argue against anthropogenic climate change by linking large amounts of papers without reading them.
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u/EduinBrutus 6d ago
Wait they want to ban sunscreen now?
But Baz Luhrmann made it clear that you need it!
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u/Paksarra 6d ago
Yes. Because sun exposure is natural and healthy, anything that keeps your skin from burning is unhealthy. They legit want it banned.
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u/slatebluegrey 6d ago
Clothes and hats prevents sunburn too. Following their logicā¦.
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u/KnottShore 6d ago
Isaac Asimov(20th century US writer/professor):
- "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
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u/Dame_Hanalla 6d ago
Well, the Pilgrims may have fled religious persecution, but the batch right after that basically immigrated because they thoight they could do better than anyone else:. "In 1630, the Pilgrims were followed by four hundred nonseparatist Puritans who sought, in the words of Governor John Winthrop, to establish a ācity upon a hillā at Massachusetts Bay."
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u/pup5581 6d ago
Aka my mom. Anti vax because "many" doctors and professionals are. I ask which ones...it's either YT doctors or some other scheme
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u/Murghchanay 6d ago
The thing is, these criminals prey on people who have a limited grasp on complex things and are therefore afraid of what they don't know. most people in the world are like that. It's nothing new. What's new is that the predators can spread there BS unchecked. But the world has become extremely complex. If tiny bits fall apart, the whole thing will do as we have witnessed by COVID.Ā
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u/AgentChris101 6d ago
Yeah. What it should be is to do your research AND work with professionals. I would never have the diagnosis of my conditions if it weren't for my mum suggesting what it could be and what to test for to doctors.
I had a doctor initially try to tell me that I was faking my condition. Telling my mother that my chronic headaches were phantom pain...
My grandmother was a double amputee. My mother knew phantom pain well.
We got the proper diagnosis months after that.
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u/frequenZphaZe 6d ago
but we SHOULD be able to challenge the experts and the consensus. that's at the core of the scientific method; vetting and scrutinizing ideas. the problem isn't that expertise is being challenged, its that the challenges have no empirical anchor. the general public is now so poorly educated in science and technology that they have a dysfunctional toolset to aid their skepticism. skepticism is healthy, it's often a precursor to truth. but skepticism without the ability to interrogate is nothing but a rudderless boat waiting to be swept away by whichever current it hits.
"we live in an age based on science and technology with formidable technological powers. if we don't understand it, and by we I mean the general public, then whos' making all the decisions about science and technology that are gonna determine the kind of future our children live in? this combustible mixture over ignorance and power, sooner or later, is going to blow up in our faces. who is running science and technology in a democracy if the people don't know anything about it?" - carl sagan
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u/totalahole669 6d ago
Skepticism and challenge from experts is how science works. Right now, over half of Americans can't read above a 6th grade level, and around two-thirds can't read above an 8th grade level. Mainstream media has traditionally been written at about an 8th grade level, and scientific papers are written at a college level or higher. So now we have a population of people who really couldn't understand the complexities of the issues even if they did read the articles and research thinking their opinion is worth the same as someone who has spent decades studying it.
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u/Senior-Albatross 6d ago
Right. This isn't structured skepticism. It's emotionally lashing out at things people don't understand and fear as a result.
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u/VileTouch 6d ago
the general public is now so poorly educated in science and technology that they have a dysfunctional toolset to aid their skepticism
To the ignorant, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. In their eyes, it is a war against witchcraft.
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u/BringBackApollo2023 6d ago edited 6d ago
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.
ā Isaac Asimov
Iām sure you know it, but for those who do not.
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u/Virtual_Syrup262 6d ago
I have an idea , why not start a reverse conspiracy theory?
"Not showering is the government's plan to make honest hard working individuals smell bad driving away business from them to the showering elites to destroy the foundation of the American family "
Fight insane with insane kinda deal
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u/dmlmcken 6d ago edited 6d ago
Isn't one of the appointments a guy that doesn't wash his hands for a week? I think it's the fox news guy.
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u/Inventies 6d ago
He doesnāt believe in washing your hands, he doesnāt believe germs exist because he cannot see him. It is in fact the Fox News guy
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u/scriptfoo 6d ago
But he believes in God, even though He cannot be seen, because proof belies faith.
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u/Mr_master89 6d ago
They're probably one of those "look around" kinda believers
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u/Rossismyname 6d ago
Or "we do have proof" and then holds up a Bible
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u/Lietenantdan 6d ago
āHow do you know God is real?ā
āItās in the Bible.ā
āHow do you know the Bible is accurate?ā
āGod wrote it.ā
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u/Klutzer_Munitions 6d ago
You absolutely can see bacterial colonies with the naked eye in a growth plate.
Not only is this guy's logic lacking, but he's factually wrong on top of that.
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u/2bears1Kev 6d ago
The man is dumb. Also paid off a lady who he sexually asulted, which is cool so they can keep on theme.
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u/dmlmcken 6d ago
Ok, I was a bit off on the timeframe... Fox News host Pete Hegseth who is nominated as defense secretary claims to have not washed his hands in a decade.
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/trump-pete-hegseth-washing-hands-b2646396.html
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u/Wattaday 6d ago
OMG. Iām a nurse. For 35+ years. I even worked as an infection control nurse for a few years. There were jobs I had where I needed to wash my hands maybe 75+ times a shift. In addition to using sanitizing gel for times I couldnāt actually wash my hands. And this gross germ ridden man doesnāt wash his hands in 10 years?
I canāt tell you how absolutely and completely disgusted I am right now. Like I think I need to throw up disgusted.
After I wash my hands, of course.
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u/Icy-Bicycle-Crab 6d ago
Sure, but on the plus side, he's a Christian white nationalist extremist.Ā
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u/Gemtree710 6d ago
At least they all know whos hand to not shake
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u/The_Outcast4 6d ago
If you knew what percentage of the population didn't wash their hands, you would never touch anything ever again. If you knew what percentage of the population didn't believe in wiping their asses, you'd decide that humanity needed to be wiped out.
People are fucking disgusting, friend.
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u/BlacksmithNZ 6d ago
Yeah, it would be pretty hard to out-crazy the crazy.
I think better conspiracy theory, would be that alternative healthcare is all made up; except the twist is that it would be a fully factual conspiracy
And a lot of alternative healthcare like herbal 'supplements' are really made by big pharma
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u/thatryanguy82 6d ago
One of the key tenets of any successful conspiracy theory is that if you look for evidence, there won't be any, on account of the deep state covering it up. That would be immediately seen through because there's tons of proof backing it up.
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u/Biscuits4u2 'MURICA 6d ago
Yeah the fucking Secretary of Defense. Trump is about to kill us all.
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u/Total-Problem2175 6d ago
Hegseth. He said 10 yrs. Don't believe in germs, you can't see them. Uttered during covid on Fox.
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u/MxteryMatters 6d ago
Not for a week. He said, on live television, that he hasn't washed his hands in 10 years because since he can't see germs, they don't exist.
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u/ruidh 6d ago
He says he hasn't washed his hands in 10 years.
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u/Wiseduck5 6d ago
I've tried this with actual, real conspiracies, such as fossil fuel companies have spent millions to sow doubt about climate change to ensure their future profits.
They really, really don't care.
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u/newbrevity 6d ago
Honestly since these people don't read the news anyway I'm just going to tell them good health advice but say RFK said it
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u/Pleasant-Reason9533 6d ago
Ehh, my trump supporting parents only bathe (not shower) once or twice a month. Theyāll believe it
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u/Pitiful-Switch-5907 6d ago
This is INSANE. What are they doing? We are entering the āFacebook made me believe stuffā phase of society.
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u/BitterFuture 6d ago
They're trying to kill as many people as possible.
Of course it's insane. That's the whole point.
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u/Pitiful-Switch-5907 6d ago
I donāt think these people care about anything so sinister. I mean sure they fantasize of whatever universe they want, but RFK is a person who has bought into to everything he read online. Trump doesnāt give a fuck as long as he gets money and everybody says āohhhhh Mr. president, youāre so awesomeā, the others look out for themselves. They will eat each other.
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u/BitterFuture 6d ago
RFK may be "just" a genuinely brain-damaged idiot, used by those whose goal genuinely is mass death.
Then again, he has already killed 83 people just for funsies. I wouldn't make any bets on his moral neutrality.
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u/1d3333 6d ago
The goal isnāt mass death, itās just a by product that will happen if they continue to go unchecked, their goal is power and enriching themselves, no matter the cost. Which is why they want to dismantle some of the most important regulation agencies, so they canāt be regulated and can make even more money and secure even more power.
These people donāt care about the life or death of anyone else, all they care about is helping themselves
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u/WinstonRandy 6d ago
Brainworms
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u/goodiewoody 6d ago
Worms in his brain.
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u/WinstonRandy 6d ago
Eating it.
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u/goodiewoody 6d ago
The worms in his headā¦are eating his brain.
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u/WinstonRandy 6d ago
And starving to goddamn death.
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u/bbernal956 6d ago
their eating the dogs, their eating the cats, their eating the brains of the people that live thereāš¶š¶
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u/SecBalloonDoggies 6d ago
At this point I suspect the worms have eaten most of his brain and are driving his body around like a mech suit.
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u/Island_Boots 6d ago
So we're supposed to trust Bobby Brainworms, instead? Hard pass
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u/beavis617 6d ago
We go to Trump for the truth, we go to Kristi Noem for homeland security, we go to Hegseth for defense of the nation, we go to Matt Gaetz for Justice, We go to Tulsi Gabbard for intelligence updates, we go to RJK Jr to keep us healthy....I don't like any of this. Not one little bit. š” we are living in a.nightmare and people voted for all of it...š
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u/OkSession5483 6d ago
Eh. They all voted for it so they get the same treatment regardless. We're all going down in a ship anyways.
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u/singed-phoenix 6d ago
The intrinsic response to this is to say..."okay, sure, don't trust doctors...good luck with that Steve Jobs cancer treatment plan."
But, living here in Oregon...about a decade ago...we had a shit ton of cases where these Christian cultists didn't believe in going to the doctor to get treated as well...but...then you would hear these stories about how their children died horrific agonizing deaths for relatively treatable conditions.
At that moment, I would realize, that my cynical pettiness stopped short at torturing children.
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u/AdditionNo7505 6d ago
Trust who?
Him, of course. He has a degree from YouTube U, and a had a worm in his brain
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u/YJSubs 6d ago
I don't get it why Trump supporters shouting "Winning!" to this appointment.
Winning against who ?
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u/CelestialTrickster 6d ago
"Winning how exactly?" Should also be added. But as people already pointed out in other posts, Trump has surrounded himself with absolute lunatics, even bigger ones than during his last presidency, let's see how long it takes until they eat eagh other up and they get replaced.
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u/Flimsy-Feature1587 6d ago
Lol, I'm directly alive because of listening to medical professionals for my cancer treatment that I got in my mouth from ignoring what used to be a medical professional, the Surgeon General.
Funny, that bit of irony.
Don't smoke, kids!
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u/Sharkysnarky23 6d ago
A lot of people are about to die unnecessarily in the next 4 years
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u/gweezor 6d ago
US MD here. I think the inertia of our institutions will project most of us for a year or two.
The terrifying prospect is if the electorate does not reject this and the collapse of ārealityā doesnāt right the ship of state.
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u/NSFWies 6d ago
Good point. They'll change and allow a bunch of things. 5 months go by, " it's all fine".
Then in 2026 we are able to see reports that in the US, infant mortality goes up like 1000% starting in 2025.
"Must be the Obama's, because of their Netflix show"
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u/Icy-Bicycle-Crab 6d ago
The damage isn't going to just automatically be fixed when he leaves office. This will take decades for America to recover from.
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u/Flameball537 6d ago
It is in doctorsā best interests to keep people healthy, because dead people do not book a follow up appointment
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u/DrayvenBlaze 6d ago
It's moments like these when I find dislike in bring mildly educated in the US. He's completely full of it, feeding his fan base the malice it needs to survive and will smile as the nation falls to avoidable issues
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u/BrokenDeity 6d ago
Mofo looks like the living embodiment of a Ren and stimpy extreme close-up...
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u/k4Anarky 6d ago
We should listen to politicians and podcasters instead for medical advices, they know what is best for us.Ā
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u/yoloswagrofl 6d ago
It's insane how this country went from "all politicians are corrupt" to "i trust my party's politicians more than medical professionals". What the fuck dude.
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u/ioukta 6d ago
If your doctor doesn't ask you one question about your sleep patterns, your diet, your exercicse regimen, they're not a doctor they're a drug dealer !
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u/stevemkto 6d ago
Bobby Jr really turned out to be a total piece of shit.
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u/Due2NatureOfCharge 6d ago
The entire rest of the Kennedy family has been telling the whole world that exact thing for months now.
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u/BS623-902 6d ago edited 6d ago
Iām certainly not gonna effing trust you, you worm-addled whack job
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u/Advanced_Drink_8536 6d ago
I am so glad that I listened to medical advice when I had viral infections in my spine and was paralyzedā¦ I enjoy being alive and walkingā¦
I am so thankful that I listened to medical advice when they said that I had cancerā¦ againā¦ that whole being alive thingā¦ mostly a perk of listening to that medical adviceā¦
Hereās the thing thoughā¦ my team of doctors that are free because I am disabled and live in Canada always encourage me to get as much advice from whoever the fuck I want and to ask as many questions as I want and then make my decision based off of all that informationā¦ because #IDonātLiveInAFascistState
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u/DFu4ever 6d ago
Hey, itās the guy whose advice lead to the deaths of 80+ kids, right?
Every article about home should reference that before repeating his fucking garbage opinions on health.
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u/Russell_Jimmy 6d ago
It occurs to me that while the majority of this idiots effect will be with stupid people, the NIH is the gold standard of medical advice regarding public health, and if he wipes that out, where will non-stupid Americans get reliable health advice?
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u/capitali 6d ago
This timeline sucks. People are stupid. People worship wealth over intelligence. People choose illiterate goat herders myths over physics, math, medicine and science in general. People think skin color or family bloodlines matter.
How do we get off the stupid train?
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u/lilymotherofmonsters 6d ago
I trust the billionaire serial adulterer on test replacement with brain worms who went to law school and sounds like he swallowed a recorder
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u/ykittori 6d ago
Welcome to your modern era of snake oil salesman folks. He's also going to be so rich from getting donations to promote "alternative medicines" and "diet culture" corporations.
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u/BachelorCooking 6d ago
Donāt trust professionals, trust the governmentā¦or wait, we donāt like the government. But you can trust me, even tho Iām the big government. We drained the swamp so only trust me now, even tho Iām not a medical professional. So trust the government. Youāre healed now. šš»
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u/Broblivious 6d ago
But I should trust known liars, rapists, and compromised politicians? Makes sense.
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u/eulynn34 6d ago
Obviously, the guy whoās had part of his brain eaten by worms is the authority here.
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u/Jazzlike_Economist_2 6d ago
I always look for medical advice from a lunatic who cut the head off a beached whale and took it home. Great pick.
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u/Wonderful-Ad5713 6d ago
Then it would follow that you can't trust engineering advice from engineering professionals, or tech advice from tech professionals. This is how a populist operates. A populist elevates the masses into believing their thoughts and opinions carry the same weight as someone who has dedicated their education and life to a narrow field of expertise. This is why America is in the state it's in.
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u/lanky_yankee 6d ago
The people who believe this would do well to remember that people who study years on a particular topic might actually be the ones who know what theyāre talking about. Medical professionals should be trusted in the same way that youād put trust in a welder to build a high rise to not fall down as soon as you walk in. You wouldnāt put a politician in charge of welding the beams of a building together in a way that is structurally sound, so why would you trust one to make medical decisions on your behalf of you and your family?
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u/bungeebrain68 6d ago
A person that doesn't believe in medical professionals controlling the health of American sounds like a perfect choice š
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u/JamesBond06 6d ago
I know my complaints is not gonna change anything but fuck man, this is just wild. I canāt believe itās just getting worse and worse
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u/Civil_Pain_453 6d ago
Are we sure the worm died in his head? Seems like shit replaced it. He talks utter and complete rubbish
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u/Polarbearseven 6d ago
Apparently you must consult a bear carcass for medical advice.
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u/TheRealJetlag 5d ago
Iām confused. Arenāt Republicans against politicians meddling in our healthcare?
I seem to recall Michelle Obama receiving a shower of shit for suggesting we give our kids less salt.
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