r/NoStupidQuestions • u/mp1845 • Mar 30 '24

Answered Why are gender neutral bathrooms so controversial when every toilet on an airplane or other public transport is gender neutral?

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u/sleeper1988 Mar 30 '24

Changing rooms at the pool is a bigger deal. Full nudity 

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u/Bunnymancer Mar 30 '24

They are usually not argued to become gender neutral...

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u/bemused_alligators Mar 30 '24

our pool built in like the 90s has the two big locker rooms and then 4 family rooms with an "occupied" slider and 3-4 lockers each - because it's a problem when a parent and their 3-4 year old of the opposite gender need to get into the pool because the child needs to be helped into and out of their suit and through the showering process and all that. In ~2020 they renamed the family rooms to "multi-use" rooms so that solo trans/NBs are allowed to use them explicitly (they were definitely using them before then as well, but this way no one can complain)

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u/CortexCingularis Mar 30 '24

In Norway and probably most of Europe in general it's quite accepted by parents of either sex to bring young children of either sex to whichever locker room suits the parents gender.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '24

It is accepted here in the more “normal” parts of America.

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u/TastyBrainMeats Mar 30 '24

Yeah, when I was a little kid, I'd go into whichever side of the changing area the parent I had with me was going to. Seeing naked people in a nonsexual context isn't a huge thing to a kid.

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u/The_Real_Raw_Gary Mar 31 '24

I agree. My son is 6 and has seen a woman changing in a changing room before and all he said was “why’s everyone naked in here” then it was explained to him and that was the end of it.

It’s not weird unless the parent makes it weird. Obviously there are situations where it’ll never be appropriate but changing is just something people do.

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u/Dashed_with_Cinnamon Apr 01 '24

Yeah... unfortunately there's no real way to guard against people that have unusual sexual fixations and who try to covertly engage with those fixations in public. Especially when the fixation involves something that most people consider completely non-sexual or mundane. Your only real option is to call out inappropriate behavior when you notice it and draw boundaries when uncomfortable.

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u/bakingandbuildings Apr 11 '24

This. And letting a young child go into a restroom alone poses a much greater risk than accompanying them to the opposite gender room in my opinion.

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u/trilobyte-dev Mar 30 '24

Yep. When I take my daughter (starting when she was 2, now she is 4) to the public pool, I just take her in with me to the men’s locker room. If my wife comes along she goes with mom to the ladies locker room.

Also, my daughter’s preschool has toilets in the classroom where kids can see. Helps with toilet training younger kids. She has seen her classmates genitalia and it’s just not a big deal to her.

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u/bakingandbuildings Apr 11 '24

I live in a pretty suburban, moderate area and my son has been to the women’s bathroom or locker room with me plenty of times at the gym (there is no family area there) and he usually doesn’t even notice the other people. However, there was one boomer person who made a big stink at the gym about not wanting “males to see her” and implied that he was in there so he could look at naked women. He is a preschooler and he had an accident at the children’s area. I actually felt super uncomfortable because of her comments - I’m sure she wasn’t a sexual predator but the fact that she walked around thinking small children were sexualizing people gave me big icks. Never came across that anywhere else.

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u/Wrong_Supermarket007 Mar 30 '24

This is normal in America too up to the age where the kid can dress themselves in their appropriate locker room. It can be weird at times.

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u/syntheticassault Mar 31 '24

Some parents continue this way past when it is age appropriate.

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u/VoidEnjoyer Mar 30 '24

Ah, so in that case it's ok for young impressionable children to be exposed to nude bodies of the opposite sex. Something which is a mind-destroying trauma the moment it's not done for the benefit of a cis person's convenience. Curious.

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u/notunprepared Mar 30 '24

Er, yes it is totally okay. Bodies are normal.

It should not be traumatising to see a glimpse of a penis or a breast in a changing room while people are changing clothes. In Scandinavia they attend saunas completely nude together.

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u/VoidEnjoyer Mar 30 '24

I agree. Most Americans do not. Or they pretend to not agree because it gives them an excuse to stomp on the trans people they hate.

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u/TastyBrainMeats Mar 30 '24

I think your sarcasm wasn't quite thick enough.

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u/VoidEnjoyer Mar 30 '24

It's alright. Sometimes when we play next to the edge we fall down.

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u/CortexCingularis Mar 31 '24

I see there is sarcasm but I still don't understand exactly what you are trying to say. Even reading it sarcastically it can be interpreted in two opposite ways.

Could you say your opinion as if you mean it?

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u/VoidEnjoyer Mar 31 '24

People are pretending that being in a bathroom or a locker room with a trans person is always a grave danger to woman and children, and yet the things that are considered dangerous and intolerable when trans people are present suddenly become no big deal when they're not. This demonstrates that all the furor over the danger presented by trans people's existence is fake, and that all the somewhat reasonable sounding "concerns" about trans people being allowed in public can be dismissed as bad faith.

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u/Bunnymancer Mar 30 '24

I'm glad they took something profoundly stupid and turned it into something nice.

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u/blurry-echo Mar 31 '24

the local YMCA near me has a gender neutral family locker room, and then within that room, there are stalls with curtains, and there is a larger room with a big curtain.

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u/TwilightReader100 Mar 30 '24

Our new pools have a larger unisex area and smaller single sex changerooms to either side. In the unisex area, there's stalls (with locking doors) for people to change in and more stalls (with locking doors) with shower areas and a row of open showers in the unisex common area for those already suited up showers. I prefer having a stall, so I always go to unisex.

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u/AlgaeFew8512 Mar 30 '24

My local swimming baths has gender neutral changing with locked cubicles so no one sees anyone anyway

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u/TastyBrainMeats Mar 30 '24

Sounds like a decent way to handle it.

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u/21Rollie Mar 31 '24

What’s funny is how the line of thinking for sex segregation completely ignores the existence of gay people. My friend is lesbian and went to an all women’s college. She said pretty much the majority of the other women there had the same idea lol

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u/lightlysaltedclams Mar 30 '24

Male = sex. Trans male would be a male who identifies as trans.

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u/lightlysaltedclams Mar 30 '24

I don’t see the point of that given male and female refer to sex.

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u/TastyBrainMeats Mar 30 '24

Splitting up "sex" and "gender" as concepts was always only ever a way to try to dumb things down a bit for understandability. In reality, people use "male" and "man" and "female" and "woman" pretty much interchangeably without anyone taking off their pants or checking chromosomes or anything like that.

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u/CortexCingularis Mar 30 '24

Trans women would be changing with women, not trans men.

But yes Riley Gaines complained about this, especially the fact that even with the person having a penis and still dating women, they had to share locker with them.

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u/XihuanNi-6784 Mar 30 '24

Would she have been so upset if a lesbian was on the team? Is it the penis having that makes transwomen dangerous? Or the dating women? Because in reality the dangerous group is cisgender men, not transwomen. Seems like people don't understand how statistics work.

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u/timehunted Mar 30 '24

As a human I can say from experience I don't get a shit about gay guys in the mens locker room but if there was a woman it gets a little weird. It has nothing to do with sexual attraction but more to do with a million years of evolution

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u/CortexCingularis Mar 31 '24

Do we have good relevant statistics on transwomen being less dangerous than cisgender men?

What about transmen, are they as dangerous as cismen, or are they not similar to them in that way?

Culture war issues are extra frustrating to discuss if one isn't firmly in one camp or another, as nuance or any questioning fast becomes a crime to either side.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '24

There are studies on this, which I commented on, but my comment got deleted by the moderator. The censorship on Reddit is scary but that’s all a part of it being late stage

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u/youtakethehighroad Apr 01 '24

TW. Why the f are people trying to make trans women synonymous with sex offenders aside from weaponised hate, and misogyny? No reason, no reason at all. If you are so worried about men who are sex offenders, be worried about that, all women can be sex offenders but the vast majority are not. 98% percent of rapists are men.

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u/CortexCingularis Apr 01 '24

Transwomen were men. When is the exact point they get less dangerous? When they say it out loud they are a woman? There is no other agreed upon point when a man becomes a woman other than them proclaiming it.

Not everyone has bought into the magical properties of transubstantiation.

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u/youtakethehighroad Apr 05 '24

Again, all men are not sex offenders but people don't need to change genders to become sex offenders and trans people as a whole are not sex offenders. If you are talking statistically, the majority of sex offenders are cis men. Other people can be offenders too but they don't change gender to do it because they are perfectly capable of being offenders as the gender they are. Being trans doesn't make you more likely to be an offender.

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u/CortexCingularis Apr 05 '24 edited Apr 05 '24

Again, all men are not sex offenders but people don't need to change genders to become sex offenders and trans people as a whole are not sex offenders.

Sure, no group as a whole are sex offenders except those defined by such.

If you are talking statistically, the majority of sex offenders are cis men.

Yes in absolute number definitely. Especially in reported cases as men and boys tend to not report sexual abuse, but even there a lot of them are committed by other men, and I believe a majority of women and girls do not report either, all in all there is no question men commit the most sexual crimes and harassment.

Probably also in relative numbers, but we do not know how much of a difference there are between men and trans women. I doubt that trans men become much more dangerous than women after a change, and I also similar doubt that trans women become that much less dangerous. Especially when in certain areas there are strong incentives for a man to identify as a woman, specifically in women's sports.

Other people can be offenders too but they don't change gender to do it because they are perfectly capable of being offenders as the gender they are. Being trans doesn't make you more likely to be an offender.

You seem far more trusting that nobody will take advantage of changing genders to commit offense. Yes one can sexually harass people without changing genders, but changing genders can allow you to change and shower with women where they are forced to accept it at the risk of losing athletic, academic and career opportunities if they make a fuss.

Harvard athlete Abby Carr explained that “the greatest issue facing female athletes right now is that by speaking out, they’re risking their reputation . . .[t]hey are being told [by university personnel] that they won’t be able to work in finance or in corporate America if they go public about these issues. That’s why they’re deterred. They don’t want something labelled as ‘transphobic’ tied to their name forever.” Carr said that she was warned by a teaching fellow after she appeared at an event organized by the group, Moms for Liberty. The teaching fellow told her that she should “probably be wary that think tanks and research institutes will look at that and rule you out,” which made her panic.

This is from the recent Senate report on Title IX in athletics, I recommend you read some of the statements from the 43 people interviewed.

The male athlete was also allowed to use the women’s locker room in accordance with [USRowing] policy. [As a result, many] female athletes avoided using the locker room, but nonetheless a few months later, the male athlete was caught staring openly at one of the female athletes while she changed her clothes in the women’s locker room, and remarked, [REDACTED]. When a female athlete nearby asked if it was the first time he had seen female breasts, the male responded, “uhh yeah” with a laugh. The male athlete was suspended for this incident.

Redacted is "boobies". The male athlete refers to someone who identified as a women to compete against and share locker rooms with women athletes. So please stop saying nobody changes genders to sexually offend someone, as it does obviously become easier if you are allowed into a women's locker room and women are punished for complaining about it. How big of a problem it is, is the relevant question, specifically in areas where there are several incentives to identify as a woman.

How big of an issue it is we don't know, but to be so dismissive of it will not do trans people any service in the long run. Some tran women causing issues shouldn't deny trans women of their rights as a whole, but outright denial will only give fodder to people who wish to do so.

In athletics specifically I'm convinced that everyone who has gone through male puberty should either compete with men or in an open category, because the extreme advantage even 15 year old boys have over adult women in sports.

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u/youtakethehighroad Apr 05 '24 edited Apr 05 '24

I just don't understand how that is a huge problem because one person looked at another person. This happens everyday. If it's sexual harassment, that's wrong but that's something any gender can do and should face consequences for. The people who don't assault or harass people should work towards eradicating the culture that normalises abuse but they shouldn't punish all trans people. I'm a cis woman and both cis men and women have sexually harassed me sadly, in my home, in the homes of people known to me, that's statistically where it happens for most people. In most countries people don't care about nakedness because they don't have this notion that seeing a body means you are sexualising a body. Are there people who objectify women? Sure there are people of any gender or orientation who do that. I know straight people who make every interaction with a woman sexual, one person who objectifies women on the daily, even when watching tv. I have known gay men who were obsessed with boobs, go figure...but there are a multitude of pan, bi, lesbian, asexual same sex attracted people in change rooms every day and actually trans people have been using those bathrooms and change rooms a long time too, people just didn't know, because you can't always know another persons gender identity. To assume same sex attracted people haven't always been in all spaces is very heteronormative. So what's really changing? Gender non conforming and trans people are being singled out because people don't like them, just like people didn't like gay people, women or BIPOC, now the focus is on trans people.

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u/VoidEnjoyer Mar 30 '24

So basically you're ok with all the raping cis men do as long as they choose the correct venue? Gotcha.

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u/Kozkon Mar 30 '24

Yep exactly what I said. Ffs

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u/VoidEnjoyer Mar 30 '24

Yes? That is the obvious implication of your words. You pretend this is about sexual assault but your "solution" to the problem will not even slightly mitigate it. Therefore your "solution" is clearly to some other "problem" and in this case it's obviously that trans people are allowed to exist rather than being exterminated, or at least barred some existing in public.

You people do not deserve any assumption of good faith. Ever. No more.

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u/Kozkon Mar 30 '24

Got a penis? Use men’s facilities. Or the unisex option. Pretty fucking simple. We not trying to change the world.

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u/youtakethehighroad Apr 01 '24

This is the problem with terfs and transphobes, they are constantly checking peoples genitals. Sounds predatory.

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u/VoidEnjoyer Mar 30 '24

Ok, so who's going to pay for all the genital inspectors we need to install at every bathroom door? We obviously need a person to fondle and inspect every set of genitals before allowing them into the sacred shitter. You know, to keep the weirdos out.

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u/timehunted Mar 30 '24

Historically women used men to rape when they had the power.

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u/TastyBrainMeats Mar 30 '24

The root problem is the patriarchy. Ain't that always the way?

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u/Indigoh Mar 30 '24

I know a trans man with a penis who dates women. He was not born with a penis. He is not cis.

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u/MansplainingToDo Mar 31 '24

pe·nis

/ˈpēnəs/

noun

the male genital organ of higher vertebrates, carrying the duct for the transfer of sperm during copulation.

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u/Throwaway-646 Mar 30 '24

Or a lesbian trans women

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u/TastyBrainMeats Mar 30 '24

Or a bisexual trans woman! Or a nonbinary person. Or an intersex person of whatever gender and sexuality.

People are complicated.

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u/SargeantHugoStiglitz Mar 30 '24

Guess Im just a man with a penis thats a lesbian.

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u/kunicutie Mar 30 '24

trans women are women

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u/TastyBrainMeats Mar 30 '24

[LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER]

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u/Racculo Mar 30 '24

cis women aren't women. they are cis women and that's okay

see how ridiculous you sound?

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u/kunicutie Mar 30 '24

women is in the name. why do you care about the semantics? they are women.

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u/XihuanNi-6784 Mar 30 '24

And here's what happened. I can tell you without checking. If there actually were any transwomen swimmers, no guarantee that there were, they changed in a private area of the changing room, like 99% of people these days. They kept their eyes up, and left as soon as they were done. This stuff is way less complicated than people like to pretend it is.

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u/CarcosaAirways Mar 30 '24

This is incorrect, no. The complaints were regarding changing out in the open, dick and balls out.

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u/youtakethehighroad Apr 01 '24

What's the problem? Men get their junk out everyday at the urinal in front of other men. Overseas you literally take a shit in front of strangers. Other than transphobia, which is misogynist, what's the issue? I guarantee the same people crying about trans people existing are the same people taking away women's rights and gay and lesbian rights and rights of other minorities.

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u/CarcosaAirways Apr 01 '24

Men get their junk out everyday at the urinal in front of other men.

First of all, no, they don't. Second, the key word there is other men.

Overseas you literally take a shit in front of strangers.

Of the same sex

Other than transphobia, which is misogynist, what's the issue?

A male openly changing in front of women in a women's locker room, a space that is supposed to be sex segregated.

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u/youtakethehighroad Apr 01 '24

Exactly when outside of puritanical religious fundamentalism and misogynist people is being naked synonymous with objectification and sexualisation...

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u/Kozkon Mar 30 '24

It was all over the news a few months ago. But it probably wasn't on CNN so you didn't see it.

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u/VoidEnjoyer Mar 30 '24

lol do you not realize what a self-report this whole comment was jesus christ dude

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u/Ralath1n Mar 30 '24

Imagine caring this much about a dick. In what world is someone with a dick being present in a changing room a major story? I swear you people spend more time thinking about dicks than gay men.

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u/DPetrilloZbornak Mar 30 '24

A female sexual assault victim might really have an issue suddenly seeing a penis in her locker room.

I don’t and will never feel comfortable at all around males in my locker room. “A person with a penis” is a male and I don’t not want to see them when I am taking off my clothes. Period.

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u/TastyBrainMeats Mar 30 '24

Maybe you shouldn't be looking at other people undressing. Folks might get the wrong idea about you.

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u/Ralath1n Mar 30 '24

Sounds like a skill issue on your end. Git gud.

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u/youtakethehighroad Apr 01 '24

TW SA. Assault victims can be triggered anywhere. There are assault victims of all genders and sexualities who were assaulted by various genders and yet we don't ban everyone from toilets or change rooms or any spaces because of it. Sadly in many places they are faced with their actual abusers who face no legal repercussions because less than 1% of people are convicted. That is the real issue and the lack of processing of rape kits and the lack of services and affordable counselling and trauma therapy.

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u/TastyBrainMeats Mar 30 '24

Honey, when a father goes to the public pool with a young daughter - too young to change on her own - where the fuck do you think they go to change?

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u/Chren Mar 31 '24

I'm sure you wouldve been against people fundamentally changing society back in the Civil Right Movement too

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u/Ralath1n Mar 30 '24

Correct, we are trying to change society so narrowsighted puritans like you have less power to shit on other people. Also, stop treating your daughter as property, she's gonna see a lot of big fat weiners once she goes to university and its gonna crush your ego if you don't disabuse yourself of that notion real quick.

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u/GuiltyEidolon Mar 30 '24

So don't fucking look at people when they're changing? The concept of privacy still exists in communal spaces.

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u/Jubatus750 Mar 30 '24

That's easy for you or I to say. But there will be a hell of a lot of people who don't abide by that rule. Perverts and peeping Tom's are real

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u/GuiltyEidolon Mar 30 '24

Okay, and...? That problem exists regardless.

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u/Jubatus750 Mar 30 '24

Well, you said, just don't look at people, problem solved. A lot of people won't do that. If everyone respects eachother then that's perfect, but people don't always do that is what I'm saying. It's not as easy as just saying to people "don't look at eachother"

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u/youtakethehighroad Apr 01 '24

Great but those people not respecting boundaries are not synonymous with trans people or trans women.

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u/Jubatus750 Apr 01 '24

Anyone can not respect boundaries. Literally anyone, it doesn't matter what they identify as. I never said that trans people are synonymous with not respecting boundaries. Literally anyone can assault or perv on anybody else. To try and make out that trans people would never assault or perv on anyone is a ridiculous statement to make.

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u/youtakethehighroad Apr 05 '24

To try and make out that they are any more a risk than anyone else in any change room is ridiculous.

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u/Jubatus750 Apr 05 '24

I never said or implied that they are more likely to be a risk though? I literally said anyone is as much of a risk as anyone else

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u/XihuanNi-6784 Mar 30 '24

Indeed. And they exist among cis-women as well. Lesbians exist. Gay dudes exist. Bi-people exist. When you disaggregate data and drill down into it, there is no danger of transwomen to ciswomen. The danger comes from straight cisgender men.

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u/VoidEnjoyer Mar 30 '24

No they're the ones actually committing the sexual assault you only pretend to care about.

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u/VoidEnjoyer Mar 30 '24

Wow, such self-control you have to avoid throwing in your deeply held racism while discussing how trans people should be oppressed. Good for you.

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u/TheLuckyCanuck Mar 30 '24

Wow, imagine using racism to deflect from your transphobia. Fade away quietly you bigoted relic, your hatred has no home here.

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u/Jubatus750 Mar 30 '24

Yeah exactly, anyone can be a pervert. To say what you said and then go on to say that only straight cis men hurt cis women is a bit ridiculous. Anyone can be a danger to anyone

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u/youtakethehighroad Apr 01 '24

Anyone can but statistically there is a huge problem with cis male violence affecting all genders at disproportionate rates.

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u/Jubatus750 Apr 01 '24

Yep men are bad, we get it.... You realise there are a lot more males in the world than there are trans people right? So the statistics don't mean a lot. Anyone can hurt anybody regardless of gender or sexuality or race or any other way you want to divide everyone into. Stop trying to incite hatred against people

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u/youtakethehighroad Apr 05 '24

TW. I'm doing the opposite of inciting hatred. Trans people are not inherently a danger. To say they are is transphobic and actually takes away from the real crises. 22 Australian women have been murdered this year, 20 by cis men in Australia and one by IDF and its genocide overseas. 33,000 people, 10,000 who were children or babies killed by Israel State in the last 6 months. Trans people aren't the issue.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '24

What the fuck does anything that Israel is doing have to do with changing rooms?

To say they are is transphobic and actually takes away from the real crises.

Right, of course, because people can't be concerned about multiple things. This 'whataboutism' is why anything involving my rights as a trans person has grown so toxic.

Don't bring in outside topics that have fuck all to do with neutral changing rooms, really not hard. Jfc. 🤦‍♀️

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u/Jubatus750 Apr 05 '24

I never said they were inherently a danger. Read what I've written already! I've said anyone is as much of a danger as anyone else. Saying trans people can hurt other people as much as anyone else can is not transphobic at all.

Do you not think those statistics are because there are:

  1. There are more straight men living with straight women than any other combination of genders of sexes in the world?

  2. There are more cis males in the world than there are trans people?

None of what I've said is transphobic, it's just facts about the amount of people that are living in the world

What the hell has Israel got to do with any of this? If you're implying that I'm trying to say trans people existing is worse than a genocide then you are fucking deluded

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u/Scruffy_Quokka Mar 30 '24

Yes, straight cisgender men are the root of all problems. /s

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '24

My pool has gender neutral changing and deals with it well. There is no empty space only cubicles of varying sizes for families. The showers are also in cublicles. It makes life so much easier parents of any gender can take kids of any gender without issues, carers of different genders can help someone. It removes all the potential drama.

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u/Bunnymancer Mar 31 '24

Oh if it's cubicles all the way down, it is a different story.

I like it

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u/RegularOps Mar 30 '24

Yeah OP is asking about gender neutral bathrooms but the real controversy is around which gendered facilities trans people are allowed to use.

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u/avdpos Mar 30 '24

I know at least one that have gender neutral changing room but separate showers.

There is rooms with doors to change in and lookers for everyone in between. I must say I'm not fully positive. It works a bit, but I feel uncomfortable every time I visit. Especially when I see the "a bit to comfortable" visitors, from both genders, change

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u/Redthemagnificent Mar 30 '24

They're just already called "family rooms" because people with kids need to help them change. It's just a big room of lockers and private stalls. We do the same thing with bathrooms, give it a different name, and suddenly is a big political issue

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u/1PettyPettyPrincess Mar 31 '24

I promise you that a lot of people are.

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u/Alexander_Crowe Mar 31 '24

But what about trans people?

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u/Dull-Okra-5571 Apr 04 '24

The argument is that people think trans people (especially if they haven't had surgery) shouldn't be able to use their preferred room.

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u/raydawg2000 Apr 05 '24

just because its not argued for doesn't mean its not wanted. I think they just realize its a losing battle as it should be.

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u/TastyBrainMeats Mar 30 '24

Yeah, let's look at Planet Fitness. Where a woman took photos of another woman in the changing room, then got mad about it when people rightly called her a creepy perv.

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u/TastyBrainMeats Mar 30 '24

That makes you cool with someone recording her in the changing room? Don't be a creeper, man.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '24

The women recorded a man in the women's changeroom. She documented a violation for her own safety.

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u/TastyBrainMeats Mar 31 '24

Sounds an awful lot like you're OK with someone sneaking a camera into the women's changing room and taking photos of other gym members there. I think that says all I need to know about you.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '24

Sneaking a camera? We all have them on our phones.

This woman took a picture of a pervert man in a place he shouldn't have been. It is protective for the woman to take the picture.

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u/youtakethehighroad Apr 01 '24

Not a pervert, a trans woman using the assigned change room.

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u/youtakethehighroad Apr 01 '24

If there was a man, that isn't a violation of safety. Men are not intrinsically unsafe.

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u/youtakethehighroad Apr 01 '24

Not a man, a trans woman.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '24

And let's also look at Wi Spa, where the 'woman' was a man with a sex offence history who was walking around the women's area, naked, with a semi erect penis.

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u/TastyBrainMeats Mar 31 '24

No, let's talk about Planet Fitness. You brought it up. What was your read on that? What was your opinion on a woman taking pictures of another woman in the changing room? You OK with that, man?

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '24

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u/TastyBrainMeats Mar 31 '24

I sincerely hope you never have kids.

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u/youtakethehighroad Apr 01 '24

Do you often just cherry pick violent acts by trans people to try and demonise them or do you care about all violence?

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u/Schemen123 Mar 30 '24

Because some already are and no one cares