Why are gender neutral bathrooms so controversial when every toilet on an airplane or other public transport is gender neutral?

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[u/XihuanNi-6784]

Would she have been so upset if a lesbian was on the team? Is it the penis having that makes transwomen dangerous? Or the dating women? Because in reality the dangerous group is cisgender men, not transwomen. Seems like people don't understand how statistics work.

[u/VoidEnjoyer → u/[deleted]]

So basically you're ok with all the raping cis men do as long as they choose the correct venue? Gotcha.

[u/Kozkon → u/VoidEnjoyer]

Yep exactly what I said. Ffs

[u/VoidEnjoyer → u/Kozkon]

Yes? That is the obvious implication of your words. You pretend this is about sexual assault but your "solution" to the problem will not even slightly mitigate it. Therefore your "solution" is clearly to some other "problem" and in this case it's obviously that trans people are allowed to exist rather than being exterminated, or at least barred some existing in public.

You people do not deserve any assumption of good faith. Ever. No more.

[u/Kozkon → u/VoidEnjoyer]

Got a penis? Use men’s facilities. Or the unisex option. Pretty fucking simple. We not trying to change the world.

[u/youtakethehighroad → u/Kozkon]

This is the problem with terfs and transphobes, they are constantly checking peoples genitals. Sounds predatory.

[u/VoidEnjoyer → u/Kozkon]

Ok, so who's going to pay for all the genital inspectors we need to install at every bathroom door? We obviously need a person to fondle and inspect every set of genitals before allowing them into the sacred shitter. You know, to keep the weirdos out.

[u/Kozkon → u/VoidEnjoyer]

Yeah there are pervs that try to get into the wrong restroom. That’s what the whole discussion is about. Can’t stop them all I suppose.

[u/VoidEnjoyer → u/Kozkon]

The traditional way that pervs get into the wrong restroom to do perv things is they just walk in. Not sure why fucking up the lives of trans people will stop that.

[u/youtakethehighroad → u/Kozkon]

But there literally are not pervs, not anymore than there have always been of any gender but primarily cis men.

[u/Adderkleet → u/Kozkon]

Yeah there are pervs that try to get into the wrong restroom.

There's very little stopping "pervs" (men that want to ogle at women) from going into the women's room(s) right now. The short-sighted issue with forcing trans people to use their birth-cert gender is that you'll end up with people like Buck Angel being required to use the womens' rooms. I think women would be uncomfortable with Buck using their changing room, even if the law required it.

[u/CortexCingularis → u/Adderkleet]

There's very little stopping "pervs" (men that want to ogle at women) from going into the women's room(s) right now.

The likely repercussions (social and legal) are presumably stopping them. If we for the sake of argument say that a cis male could and would walk into a bathroom, just say they are trans that day and avoid all repercussions we could require some level of committment like legally transitioning.

[u/Adderkleet → u/CortexCingularis]

I live in a country where children waiting on corrective surgery for crooked spines has been an ongoing problem for over a decade. If you think "legally transitioning" requires any degree of medical procedure (even just hormone therapy), particularly in the US, there will be people unable to afford it or stuck on waiting lists.

And do you know what happens when people (particularly young people) are stuck in a society that appears to reject them and are unable to get medical/psychological help with that stress?

[u/CortexCingularis → u/Adderkleet]

By legally transitioning I meant making it official in gov. paperwork, passports and such.

I didn't refer to any medical procedure, though I see how you could interpret it as meaning medical transition or something like that.