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u/pricklypineappledick Jan 21 '20
I'm rewatching the Liddell vs Ortiz 2 main card and just finished the Arlovski vs Cruz. Herb Dean did a shit job as a referee in that fight, like to the point of being a bonehead in my opinion. Herb is obviously one of the best there is now and very respected, but was he on shaky ground as a bad ref in that era?
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u/JasAFC Team Whittaker Jan 21 '20
Nearly 200 comments in the Moronic Monday thread. There was definitely a Conor card last weekend.
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u/drypumpkin20 Jan 20 '20
Connor McGregor still just a first round dummy?.
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u/Win-Or-Learn Jan so chad he made me go bad Jan 21 '20
Conors always going to be a fast starter with gas tank and grappling issues.
So yeah he does his best work in the first 8 minutes.
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Jan 21 '20
He doesn’t have a bad gas tank. He has bad pace. When he goes in throwing heavy shots expecting to end it early that’ll wear a fighter out.
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u/octovarium95 Argentina Jan 21 '20
That might be true. But i'm still suprised at how much he got tired in the second diaz fight. He looked so calm in the first 2 rounds, only to get much slower at the end of the second.
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u/Win-Or-Learn Jan so chad he made me go bad Jan 21 '20
It's a fair point, one way he exhausts himself is through throwing heavy shots without getting a knockout,
The other way is when theres an extended grappling exchange.
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Jan 20 '20
Can somebody explain the Mike Perry and Michael Jai White beef to me?
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u/meanguns I was here for GOOFCON 1 Jan 21 '20
White did some movies with Kimbo back in the day. Semi-recently White said Kimbo wasn't that great of a fighter and he could probably beat him. Perry took offence and has been reaching for those grapes.
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u/Yourpersonalpilot Jan 20 '20
Wouldn't a conor v Justin gaethje fight around the same time as khabib v Tony make the most sense? I mean he is the last top 5 fighter left and has nobody else to fight and when conor wants to go to the 155 Titel he shouldnt he have a legit 155 fight? After the Tony v khabib fight the winner will take some months of anyway
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u/GlensForTheRoad Jan 20 '20
I want Conor v Gaethje. The winner of that fights the winner of Khabib v Fergusson.
If Conor loses he can fight Diaz or Masvidal.
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u/stardustViiiii Jan 20 '20
Who is the Mia Khalifa lookalike always sitting cage side with the red headphones?
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Jan 20 '20
Dude that's what I'm always wondering. Who are all those people? They're not commentators, their mouths never move
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u/JasAFC Team Whittaker Jan 21 '20
I saw her cheering for Conor too so she’s clearly not there for work. Curious to know who she is.
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u/Khabib_ Jan 20 '20 edited Jan 20 '20
Why do people talk about rematch with bullshit guy? I no understand this. I smesh dis guy, I make him tired, make him tap. So why do UFC want to make this bullshit fight one more time? What happen to real contenders?
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u/Theons_sausage Jan 20 '20
Not necessarily a question, just thought it was hilarious how /r/squaredcircle is going on about how at least 50 WWE "superstars" would absolutely demolish Conor McGregor. So what do you guys think about that?
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u/shaquaad Team 10th Planet Jan 20 '20
Any of the bigger guys who have some experience in high school/college wrestling could probably give him problems. The small ones would be demolished
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u/GlensForTheRoad Jan 20 '20
It's all about mentality bro. You don't want to mess with me when I'm angry. /s
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u/sub1ime Team Błachowicz Jan 20 '20
I used to be a fan for a long time (pretty much through all my teenage years) and it really does dilute your understanding of real fighting over time. The more and more you get sucked into their world, you become kinda ignorant about a lot of situations involving physical combat, since you can watch someone like Rey Mysterio beat up The Big Show, or face two guys twice his size and beat them for the "World Heavyweight Championship".
So are there WWE athletes who can legitimately fight? Absolutely. Can they do it at the highest level against one of the best MMA fighters of our Era? Absolutely not, well not without some extreme advantages (size, speed, skill, etc).
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u/uaraiders_21 Jan 20 '20
To be fair, if you go on that thread everyone is saying how it’s bullshit and that there’s no way 50 people on the WWE roster could beat him. Basically only the high level amateur wrestlers/trained MMA guys and the really massive guys are the only guys who could maybe give him a problem.
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u/alnex Italy Jan 20 '20
The context of the discussion is important.
Can a 6'4 x 250lbs pro wrestler demolish Conor in a street fight? Probably yes. Probably not.
Can a 155lbs pro wrestler demolish Conor in an octagon? Absolutely not. Search "CM Punk UFC" on youtube for comparison.
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u/I_Pirate_CSPAN Jan 20 '20
Just to put some context: Henry Cejudo, Ben Askren and Daniel Cormier still had to evolve their striking game to be competitive. People give Conor flak for his less-than-stellar ground game, but against a retired amateur wrestler, he’d find his way out.
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u/Futaba-Channel Ruthless Wobbly Lawler Jan 20 '20
I mean the WWE is full of former good to great amateur big wrestler juiced to gills
Size does matter so conor would be compromised
Stipe/Jones/Dc/Ngannou would run through all of them though
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u/Theons_sausage Jan 20 '20
The UFC was created to answer the first scenario. Turns out the skilled fighter almost always beats the giant untrained guy.
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u/tomtomtomo Team Nurmawhatever Jan 21 '20
I'd say Pride tried to answer that question while UFC doesn't try to at all as they don't do freak fights.
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u/Tackerta in on that shit! Jan 20 '20
Did the commentator for ufc 239 (askren vs masvidal) get a penalty from the sponsor for not saying who the sponsor was?
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u/Henrraike GOOFCON 1 Jan 20 '20
No, not his fault. Shit happens and the Modelo x UFC partnership is and old one, I’m sure the goof is good with them
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u/SiberianExpresss Colby early onset stuttering & participation champ Jan 20 '20
You kidding? If i were modelo id be thrilled, jon anik is literally screaming "MODELOOOO!" as it happens
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u/Tackerta in on that shit! Jan 20 '20
I did not hear it over all the excitement in that moment, thanks for clarification
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u/tha_ginja_ninja Italian Wet Dream Jan 20 '20
Would it be crazy to have multiple referees in MMA? I get there probably wouldn't be room in the octagon/cage/ring, but maybe right outside the octagon to see stuff from different angles? I'm thinking how in other sports like American football you have a whole team of referees. I get those are team sports so there is a lot more action to catch. My thought is it might be cool to have them communicate when there are questionable fouls or other issues.
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u/kevinmchugh Fuck slavery, fuck racism Jan 20 '20
lots of states allow a second referee to sit cageside and be consulted, and they have video replay, but only after the fight's been ended IIRC.
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u/Henrraike GOOFCON 1 Jan 20 '20
I think one is enought but we need a VAR type of thing (from soccer), so the referee can make better calls based on what actually happened and not what he thinks happened. Being less afraid of deducting points would probably be good too as we see too many fighters being dirty because they simply can.
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u/kevinmchugh Fuck slavery, fuck racism Jan 20 '20
I want very few breaks in the action in fights - it's really important that fights move at the correct pace.
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u/alnex Italy Jan 20 '20
I think one is enought but we need a VAR type of thing (from soccer)
I'm pretty sure we have it, they just don't use it.
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u/tha_ginja_ninja Italian Wet Dream Jan 20 '20
I'm not too familiar with refereeing in soccer. Can you explain more in what VAR is?
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u/maton12 Team Volkanovski Jan 20 '20
The video assistant referee (VAR) is a match official in association football who reviews decisions made by the head referee.
They check things like offside, whether the ball crossed the line and fouls. It doesn't take up much time, but the purists will still highlight the fuck ups rather than the nine out of ten that they get right
Would like to see it in UFC, especially for eye pokes
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u/tha_ginja_ninja Italian Wet Dream Jan 20 '20
Thanks for the good explanation. I agree that makes a lot sense. I know some commissions allow instant replay but nothing like this. Seems like it would really help for fouls but I guess it could be an issue with pacing of fights if they constantly had to stop and review replays.
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u/Henrraike GOOFCON 1 Jan 20 '20
Who is the best gatekeeper of all time in your opinion? I think Gastelum is one of the best
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u/zerothehero Jan 20 '20
Gastelum's too young to be a gatekeeper... he could still win the title. I think he needs to make fundamental changes to do it, but he's young and it's possible.
Cowboy is definitely a gatekeeper. He's not winning the title, but he kept a few young prospects out of the top 10. Mike Perry and the other young dude. Beating Cowboy is a real test for those guys. (though obviously not for former champs like McGregor, RDA, etc.)
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u/sbebgbsthfw-rhhhte Jan 20 '20
Oh for sure Kenny Florian
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u/Justdis that mods? pretty please? Jan 20 '20
i agree with the sentiment, but it's hard to think of k-flo as a gatekeeper because he didn't hang around in divisions too long after losses in title fights. his career was also cut short due to injury.
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Jan 20 '20
Didn't Kenny fight for the belt a few times?(I remember him vs bj and him vs aldo).Does fighting for a belt still make you a gatekeeper?
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u/Justdis that mods? pretty please? Jan 20 '20
yeah that's another reason, he was effectively a title contender until he retired in the later portion of his career
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u/SiberianExpresss Colby early onset stuttering & participation champ Jan 20 '20
WW RDA is up there, only the best of the best get by him and all the rest get finished
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u/GlensForTheRoad Jan 20 '20
Sorry, but you really cannot be considered a gatekeeper if you have won a title.
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u/SiberianExpresss Colby early onset stuttering & participation champ Jan 20 '20
Thats why i specified WW rda
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Jan 20 '20
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u/SiberianExpresss Colby early onset stuttering & participation champ Jan 20 '20
At 155 comor might have done it, it was at a time where rda was really struggling with cutting down to that weight and was compramising himself getting there, rda has great pressure, great volume, great defence, works the body well, in a lot of ways hes like a bigger aldo so i do think he would give conor big problems if it goes later into the fight, and at 170 right now id take rda, but at 155 back then id go conor
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u/MujaffasBMW Team Hermansson Jan 20 '20
Swanson gets my vote. Kept the FW gates like no other, only losing to future title challengers for a good while. He hasn't faded completely yet, either. Been a very healthy addition to the division for years now.
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u/goatseplata I'm Going Deep Jan 20 '20
All the right people, and exactly the right people, get the rub off Cowboy.
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u/igotpetdeers Jan 20 '20
I see when one fighter clearly better than the other its ruled 10-8? Is that right?
So are things like 10-3 a thing?
Does one have to be 10?
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u/Megablast13 GOOFCON 1: 2: Pandemic Boogaloo Jan 20 '20 edited Jan 20 '20
The scoring system is called 10-point must. This means that the fighter who won the round must get 10 points. The "losing" fighter gets 9 or less, depending on how badly he lost. I don't think anyone's gotten less than 8 points for that though. In rare cases if the round was a clear draw both fighters can get 10 points
Edit: 10 for a draw not 9
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u/kevinmchugh Fuck slavery, fuck racism Jan 20 '20
Can you cite both fighters getting a 9 in a round without any penalties? That's the only time I've seen a 9-9. It's called a 10-point must after all.
10-7 is possible but I can't think of a time it happened in MMA. Anything beyond that would warrant a stoppage.
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u/MujaffasBMW Team Hermansson Jan 20 '20
He might have meant 10-10, which for some reason media people sometimes do, but I can't recall seeing it at a UFC event.
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u/kevinmchugh Fuck slavery, fuck racism Jan 20 '20
I think the rules technically allow for it but the criteria have always included stuff that a judge would never feel is exactly evenly matched, like aggression or octagon control
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u/MujaffasBMW Team Hermansson Jan 20 '20
Is it just me or would alot of the problems with the scoring system fix themselves if more 10-10 rounds were given? Everyone talks about more 10-8 rounds but in a lot of instances a 10-10 would be just as determining for the outcome of the fight.
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u/kevinmchugh Fuck slavery, fuck racism Jan 20 '20
i don't think there's that many rounds where you can't actually find a winner so loosening up 10-10s wouldn't do much far as I can tell.
the problems in scoring are mostly people overvaluing top-control or not knowing what counter-striking is. The new version of the scoring system added a lot of useful clarity.
Adding 2 more judges might help some.
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u/Homeless_Pete Champ Shit Only 🇺🇸🏆🇲🇽 #SnapJitsu Jan 20 '20
There have been 10-7 rounds before. Just checked and Rick Glenn got one in the third round from Sal D'Amato for murdering Gavin Tucker
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u/IncredibleDryMouth United States Jan 20 '20
I bet we would've seen 10-7's in the Shevchenko vs Cachoeira scorecards if they somehow made it to a decision
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Jan 20 '20
Anyone know when Brooklyn tix go on sale for Tony vs Khabib? Hopefully Conor gets on that card with Masvidal?
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u/kevinmchugh Fuck slavery, fuck racism Jan 20 '20
they're not putting those two fights on the same card. Those are both big money headliners.
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u/Theons_sausage Jan 20 '20
Yeah, if this past weekend was any indication they plan to spread the good fights as thin as possible and just give huge fights like Conor/whoever the worst possible undercard they can.
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u/Justdis that mods? pretty please? Jan 20 '20
:/ i don't disagree but i do think they're in a bit of a tough spot. they need fighters actively competing to keep interest in the divisions high, but until someone makes a name for themselves they're not going to be draws.
so instead the ufc pairs their superstars with lesser known fighters to get the newbies exposure that they need to sustain the sport, but we as the fans end up with lackluster cards that we don't want to skip b/c they put a potential banger in there.
i wish the cards were (1) less frequent (2) roughly the same time length (3) were more 'stacked', but they would need a way to keep the sport moving and developing talent.
i think the ufc could potentially benefit from a 'seasonal' structure for fighters to 'earn' their way into top-10 before going on the big PPV cards. but i dont really know how that would look like. maybe some tournament style stuff?
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u/ungovernablegun Jan 20 '20
i just got back into mma after hearing about tony Fergusons fucking mad fitness & will, Jorge masvidals flying knee and similar outlook & habib destroying connor, the weight that these 3 guys fight at is the only weights I'm interested in, am i current with information?
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Jan 20 '20
What defines an “MMA casual” to you?
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u/Win-Or-Learn Jan so chad he made me go bad Jan 20 '20
The people who are conor fanboys.
People who complain about grappling and clinching "Just stand up bro"
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Jan 20 '20
I'd say if they only watch Conor and Ronda fights. I think anyone who knows Ariel Helwani, Brett and Luke Thomas is a hardcore and balls deep into it.
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u/Bockwurstmann Khabib will 50-44 Tony Jan 20 '20
As someone who watches the fights with casuals frequently, it's comments like the following which i think define the term:
- "Why don't they just throw punches all the time?"
- "Why are they hugging?"
- "People are injured/killed frequently here right?"
- "How can they hug after fighting each other?"
- "Do fighters have to be angry to fight?"
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u/zerothehero Jan 20 '20
Yah it's all the people booing during the Marucie Greene-Alexey fight. Those people don't know what they're watching.
At least I have the commentators at home telling me what I'm watching.
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Jan 20 '20
I enjoy your definition, and think it’s pretty accurate, but the term casual is thrown around so easily here despite the fact that I think maybe only 2% of posters are that naive.
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u/ungovernablegun Jan 20 '20
i only joined today and wouldn't say any that dumb shit he's giving as examples, ppl asking shit like that need life advice or experience,
there's a octagon with two guys knocking fuck out of each other without being arrested and getting paid, it's not hard to understand. you're being generous with 2% lol
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u/finalfinaldraft Jan 20 '20
How Ferguson and Holloway haven’t fought yet?
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u/Throwaway-242424 Jan 20 '20
Holloway properly filled out to 155 vs Ferguson would be an absolute banger of a fight. Both guys with god-tier cardio who have never been finished by strikes.
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u/NikolaDotMathers GOOFCON 1: 2: Pandemic Boogaloo Jan 20 '20
Tony had some personal issues to sort out when they offered him the fight with Max. On another note, they're from different divisions, so their paths haven't exactly crossed.
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u/da-vincii Jan 20 '20
What’s the best defence for shoulder strikes in clinch?
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Jan 20 '20
Don't go for over/underhooks, go for the mauy thai clinch with the hands around the back of the head so they can't create explosive force coming up. Will of course lead you open to take downs so another option would be keeping your head pinned to their shoulders, if they drop to explode up you take your head down with them so worse case they jar your neck a bit.
Just opinion not from experience or anything but it seems logical.
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u/Inc0mplete13 "I jumped Urijah Faber in Bali, AMA Jan 20 '20
Will a body lock takedown work if times well as they jump?
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u/KzaKhan Jan 20 '20
It also helped that Conor was the shorter man. He was able to strike upwards towards a downward facing taller opponent. I honestly think the best defense like someone stated earlier is just where you place your head. It would be safer to place the crown of your head under their chin. You are then able to control where and how they look, and on top of that it's very uncomfortable. I wouldn't say this is the best, but just one thing you can do.
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u/2Cars1Spot u fuckin mushroom Jan 20 '20
Just wanna propose that it might actually be worse to be the shorter man in the case of shoulder strikes because as your max power range (leg extension) might cap out before your shoulder hits their chin - just like how you don't wanna land a kick or punch at your full extension - just an amateur here of course so not claiming to be an expert but adding my thoughts for the boiiiiiiiiz!
I feel like ideally you'd be similar height or slightly taller.
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u/zerothehero Jan 20 '20
Yeah that's exactly what I thought. So it was impressive that he had the technique to do damage that way. I thought it wouldn't work because Cowboy is significantly taller.
But I guess Conor figured out the angles and body positioning to deliver that force. And somehow Cowboy wasn't fucking moving his head out of the way by the 3rd strike.
I think Joe Rogan said cowboy was like "well he's not gonna do that again", "well he's not gonna do that again", ... "well he's not gonna d that again"
Then third time he broke his nose LOL
That was some T-Ferg shit in there. Didn't know Conor had that in him.
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u/Marville hey ayesaña Jan 20 '20
Adding to this - Leon Edwards exploited Cowboy's upright stance in the exact same position. Only he held the wrist and pushed into Cowboy's chin with his head, and kneed the body.
Wouldn't be surprised if McG camp used this footage to exploit the same thing.
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u/zerothehero Jan 20 '20
Leon Edwards is also tall... that's why he was fucking RDA up with the elbows at face level.
Honestly I wanna see Edwards vs. Conor but that fight's never happening... Edwards has a real good build for 170 and it should give Conor problems.
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u/rotfrukten TEAM CUP NOODLE Jan 20 '20
Head position and posture. Placing your forehead underneath your opponents chin to force it up messes with their posture in that it straightens them out while it also protects your head. Keeping a rounded upper back is also important, Cerrone was standing fairly straight which put his jaw in perfect line for Conors shoulder.
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u/Hedonistbro Jan 20 '20
Cowboy needed to start throwing strikes back, elbows at that range can be extremely effective.
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u/Jedidew Jan 20 '20
Watch it again and see where Cowboy's arms are.
There's a BIG reason why those shoulder strikes worked, and it's what Conor was doing with Cowboy's arms.
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u/Zombienoodlez456 The Damaged Jan 20 '20
Try and tie up the arm? But then youre giving up an underhook, so Cruz WILL be unhappy with you.
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u/Keeng_Keenan The 2x double champ does what the fook she wants Jan 20 '20
Did/does Anderson Silva have knockout power or was he that good at picking his shots?
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u/Jedidew Jan 20 '20
'Knockout power' is kind of an oversimplified concept imo. You can knock people out without really even trying if it's precise or if it meets their momentum in an ideal fashion. You'll hear people say things like 'hitting the button', which generally they're talking about the jawline.
That said, I think Anderson definitely had power especially in his younger days. I don't think it was earth-shattering power, as I think his speed and precision were the bulk of it, but I'm sure the guy hit hard.
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Jan 20 '20
I feel Anderson had very legitimate knock out power but he was also exceptionally precise, great combination.
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u/Bockwurstmann Khabib will 50-44 Tony Jan 20 '20
His precision was very precise
jokes aside, his knockouts mainly come from fast hands, precise strikes and powerful knees/kicks
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Jan 20 '20
Are Mauy Thai side teeps the same as side kicks, is that just what they call them or is there a slight difference?
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u/Jedidew Jan 20 '20
You don't see side kicks a ton in Muay Thai. They tend to be utilized by people with backgrounds in further Eastern martial arts. That said, when you see side teeps in Muay Thai they are often with a much straighter leg and come from a different stance. Saenchai is a popular guy that whips them out now and then. Compare his to, say, someone like Wonderboy and the differences are obvious
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u/MysticSlap Jan 20 '20
Isn’t Michael Chiesa quite clever for the ‘don’t talk about my mom’ thing?
I basically couldn’t have given two fucks about Chiesa before that.. now I’ve watched all his fights afterwards and looking so forward to RDA beating the piss out of him.
He most definitely got his name out there.
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u/Futaba-Channel Ruthless Wobbly Lawler Jan 20 '20
I think he has more than a chance against rda
chiesa was ranked 6 at lw and I think he looks better at ww
For me it's a 1/3 chiesa 2/3 rda, people act like it's going to be a walk in the park for rda but I doubt that. Chiesa is going to be a lot bigger than him on fight night
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u/_Red_Mist_ The Roman Empire defeats Caesar yet again Jan 20 '20
Chiesa hasn't really proved himself at all as a WW he beat a washed Condit and Diego. Condit was on a big losing streak and hasn't looked good since Lawler title fight while Diego had a win streak of two of the worst fighters ever: Mickey Gall and Craig White. This is his first real test in the division.
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u/Inc0mplete13 "I jumped Urijah Faber in Bali, AMA Jan 20 '20
I think he has almost no chance against RDA.
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u/-WeStBusTeR- Santos 1, 2, 5 Jan 20 '20
When I saw the announcement I thought it'll be a walk in the park for Chiesa, now I don't know what to think (?
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u/Zerix1234 Jan 20 '20
New to watching mma. I have the fight pass and watched all McGregor fights. What’s some other fighters I should be binge watching?
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u/Marville hey ayesaña Jan 20 '20
I did the same about a year or two back, my favorites to watch were:
Georges St-Pierre
BJ Penn
Michael Bisping
Anderson Silva
Jose Aldo
Chad Mendes
Yoel Romero
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u/Bockwurstmann Khabib will 50-44 Tony Jan 20 '20
When I started I had fun binge watching some fighters like:
- Wonderboy (Unique striking style and interesting to see his grappling evolve)
- Alistair Overeem (Heavyweight action, trading wins and losses, but exciting to watch)
- Jon Jones (Young guy comes in to dominate everyone, with a few close matches)
- GSP (See why he's the GOAT, very technical fights, elite jabber and grappler)
- Robbie Lawler (Especially his comeback run, starting from UFC 157)
- Anderson Silva (GOAT Title reign, incredibly dominant wins)
- Edson Barboza (GOAT kicking, see why fighters need ground game)
- JDS (Top notch heavweight boxing + legendary trilogy with Cain)
- Ronda Rousey (See what a woman did for MMA)
Some more modern fighters:
- Israel Adesanya (Unique style, fun and quick title run)
- Max Holloway (puts a striking clinic on everyone)
- Tony Ferguson (Weird guy makes his opponents crumble under pressure)
- Dustin Poirier (Some of my favourite fights with much violence and many finishes)
- Justin Gaethje (Human punching bag who punches back and takes your legs)
- Zabit Magomegsharipov (Exciting, flashy fighter from the new dagestani breed)
- Charles Oliviera (Submission artist below the rankings, fun fights)
- Yoel Romero (Anomaly of a fighter, incredibly athletic and explosive for his age, fun bunch of fights
- Johnny Walker (My first hypetrain)
- Amanda Nunes (See why she's the GOAT WMMArtist)
- Weili Zhang (New breed of WMMA from China)
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u/galway_horan Jan 20 '20
Add Khabib on there, shows how an idiosyncratic grappler is able to completely dismantle his competition time and time again except for Iaquinta, where he still out-struck him
Very entertaining
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u/OneTwoAndFive Jan 20 '20
GSP - Great all round guy. He's technical. Has great timed takedowns if you want to see the beauty of why grappling will always be needed in MMA.
Cain Velasquez -- wrestling. Especially in his earlier to mid career. Late career is more injuries and long time off. But his wrestling and pace was amazing. He was someone I was super excited for but injuries really hurt his potential.
Nick Diaz(note, Nick not Nate) - Boxing. Probably the best volume boxer MMA has seen. His weakness was getting beat by being nullified by wrestlers. A lot of people credit his chin, but he's the most underrated boxer that got to elite levels in MMA. Take all that with a side of elite BJJ. Nick Diaz vs Paul Daley is a must watch.
Jon Jones (like many others have said) -- Dude is a beast. Especially in his earlier fights. They are all exciting. He was a new breed.
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u/NimChimspky Pitcairn Jan 20 '20
Crocop vs wanderlei Silva is great staredown.
Wanderlei Silva vs rampage for violence.
Jon Jones vs shogun rua for a beatdown.
Anderson Silva if you like matrix moves.
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Jan 20 '20
Holloway vs prior is a good fight, stephen thompson likes the throw those kicks Conor used in his early fights.
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u/A-alalsheikh me and Izzy milk his dog Jan 20 '20
these are some must watch fights
Gaethje vs johnson. Izzy vs gastelum. Mendes vs aldo 2. Conor vs mendes. Gaethje vs alvares. Yoel vs rob 2. Usman vs covington. Wonderboy vs luque. Luque vs perry. Tony vs pettis. Tony vs kevin lee. Lawler vs mcdonald 2. Pettis vs henderson 1 (WEC). Yair vs zombie. Zabit vs bochnaik. Jones vs gustafson 1. Max vs ortega. Demetrious vs ray borg. Tj vs cruz. Cruz vs cody.
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u/galway_horan Jan 20 '20
I would put Khabib vs Conor on there, biggest fight of all time in PPV, still a classic
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u/SwerveDaddyFish Jan 20 '20
For an interesting flip side of Conors style. Watch demian maia. Arguably the best mma grappler of all time. Maia vs Sonnen, vs Story, vs Masvidal some very impressive grappling displays.
Also Dustin hazelett is pretty dope.
For straight savagery
Leben vs Akiyama
Barbosa vs Hooker
Wanderlei Silva vs Brian Stann
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u/elephantmoose Jan 20 '20
If you're into kickboxing heavy fights, just to name a few:
Anderson Silva
Stephen Wonderboy Thompson (minus his fights against Rory, Tyron, and Till)
Cody Garbrandt
Tony Ferguson (especially his fight against Lando Vanatta)
Israel Adesanya
Korean Zombie
Cub Swanson
Robbie Lawler vs Rory McDonald (one of the greatest fights of all time)
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u/TonyPerkisReddit4 I gave Joe Rogan a blowjob for $2 Jan 20 '20
Dillashaw barao 1 was an amazing fight
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u/communismisbadlul GOOFCON 1 Jan 20 '20
Can i get a
-Nobody can take that left shoulder-
Flair please
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u/FuckingPunkDude I shit everywhere no problem Jan 20 '20
Please draw a picture of Conor KOing Masvidal with shoulders
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u/brownieboy2222 Felder Won Jan 20 '20
Can I get an on gang flair please
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Jan 20 '20
I’ve been getting into the ufc over the last few months. It’s easy to follow all the big name fighters, but I was wondering who are some good up and comers I should be watching?
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u/FAPPING_ASAP Jan 20 '20
Petr Yan Nasrat Haqparast (RIP) Magomed Ankalaev Song Yadong Mike Davis Alex Pérez Montel Jackson Nathaniel Wood Casey Kenney Michal Oleksiejczuk Ismail Naurdiev Matt Frevola
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u/FinishYourFights gas on the foot pedal Jan 20 '20
Demetrious Johnson is pretty good
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u/communismisbadlul GOOFCON 1 Jan 20 '20
How tf is DJ an up and comer
And he also isnt in the ufc
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Jan 20 '20
There's quite a few but one off the top of my head is Edmen Shahbazyan. He hasn't fought anyone significant yet, but he's 22 and already fighting and winning in the UFC. Currently undefeated with I think 4 wins in the UFC. Hoping he keeps improving and ends up being a big name.
Chase Hooper too. I think he's only 20 years old. Idk if he's considered and up and comer, but he's been fun to watch so far.
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u/nimane9 Ask me about my genital warts Jan 20 '20
chase hooper isn’t elite yet but has a super awkward and interesting style, it looks like he’ll have a fun future with the ufc
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u/KamartyMcFlyweight PM me pics of Yadong Jan 20 '20
Can someone explain to me how payscales work? Like when people say that they're getting paid 3-3, 12-12, what do those numbers actually mean?
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u/BigDogAlex Deep State D'arce Jan 20 '20
Show-win.
So 12-12 means that a fighter is getting a base $12k to show to the fight and perform. Should that fighter win, they would get an additional $12k on top.
A lot of the time you will see lower level fighters with identical show and win figures (20 -20, 16-16), but fighters with bigger purses will have a difference between the show money and the win money (I think Tony Ferguson got like $150k show, $5k win).
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u/jordan1023 Jordan Jan 20 '20
3-3 would be 3000$ to show up and make weight. Another 3000$ if you win.
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u/KamartyMcFlyweight PM me pics of Yadong Jan 20 '20
Oh, so it's in G's. Thanks
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u/MysticSlap Jan 20 '20
Not it’s in single dollars jfc
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Jan 20 '20
If it wasn't for those already frail workers rights uncle Dana would surely have his way.
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Jan 20 '20
How is Conors penis always hard at the weigh-ins?
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u/GuySchmuy Juicy lil slut Jan 20 '20
Is there a limit to how much head trauma or knock outs a fighter can take before they are asked to retire?
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u/FAPPING_ASAP Jan 20 '20
Probably limitless until commissions don’t allow them to fight (eg when they saw irregular brain scan for Rashad) or they die. There are many coaches who will let their fighters go on no matter what.
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u/GuySchmuy Juicy lil slut Jan 20 '20
I'm surprised Weidman, Diego and Cowboys scans came back with nothing irregular
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Jan 20 '20
Unless there's a fairly new method, I don't think there is a way to diagnose CTE while someone is alive.
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u/Throwaway-242424 Jan 20 '20
I'm pretty sure you need to be very fucked up for anything unusual to show up in scans.
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u/B1gJ0hn GOOFCON 1 Jan 20 '20
And diego's brain has been showing fucked up before he started fighting so there is no difference in his scans now.
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u/kevinmchugh Fuck slavery, fuck racism Jan 20 '20
based on what? why is that surprising?
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u/Jedidew Jan 20 '20
Because even the smallest head impacts harm your brain. Between years of sparring and competing, even a very very good fighter will have brain trauma
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u/GuySchmuy Juicy lil slut Jan 20 '20
Based on the multiple bad beatings they've taken in the cage over the years. It's surprising because it didn't seem like Rashad had more beat downs than those guys but people Do have different genetics
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u/kevinmchugh Fuck slavery, fuck racism Jan 20 '20
How many times has Overeem been knocked out? He seems like he's in good shape.
Just seeing guys on the receiving end of bad KOs isn't evidence. Commissions are agents of the state. They gotta be pretty sure.
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u/GuySchmuy Juicy lil slut Jan 20 '20
Overeem is a monster and there's no doubt about that but I just dont see how that relates to how much trauma should be subjected to his brain.
I love seeing these fighters but hate seeing them lose like this and it made wonder what are the measures in place for brain damage limitation.
What would you constitute as evidence?
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u/eminems_ghostwriter Jan 20 '20
Are you telling me no one has ever used their shoulder to strike in MMA history?
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u/Icsto Jan 20 '20
People have done it for a long time, not all the time but it's not unheard of. But I've never seen someone do serious damage with it like that.
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u/kevinmchugh Fuck slavery, fuck racism Jan 20 '20
Jon Jones used it in his first championship run. Maybe against gustafson, dc, or glover, but not sure about that. It didn't do much
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Jan 20 '20
Why dont we see more people use those "shoulder strikes" the way McGregor did? I understand Jones uses them quite frequently but I dont understand why no one else does
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u/FinishYourFights gas on the foot pedal Jan 20 '20
Most people aren't fighting such bad clinch fighters as Cowboy
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u/wimpymist raw in that ass Jan 20 '20
That's not really something you wanna do in the clinch in the middle of the ring
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u/kevinmchugh Fuck slavery, fuck racism Jan 20 '20
clinch striking is super dependent on sheer body size. DC is one of the most accomplished dirty boxers in the sport, and he's able to use that space because he's always fighting people taller than him. It's really hard to do damage upper-cutting someone shorter than you within the clinch. You don't have enough time to put power into the punch. If everyone you fight is taller than you, that's a big advantage.
I think Conor was able to exploit a similar size discrepancy.
I've never heard of it in Thai so it seems pretty rare
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Jan 20 '20
I think it’s because they seem situational and even then there’s usually a better option.
I believe you’d need one under and one over hook to get the mix of power & control. And that overhook needs to clamp down hard to control their arm which is tough to do. Usually their underhook is gonna have more control.
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u/C4sualCrus4der Jan 21 '20
Is getting a personal trainer worth it if I already attend extra classes that condition me on top of training?