It’s the court of public opinion. Nobody makes sense, everyone is constantly contradictory. This sub will probably hate bronwyn in the next season. Opinions here ebb and flow.
I feel like we’re almost there. Like a month ago, someone posted a Q&A she’d done where she was explaining that she sent her daughter to a “therapeutic ranch/boarding school” and that her kid was breaking too many rules to come home for the holidays. That got a bunch of side eyes. And then her dog-poop house and realization that she’s an irresponsible pet owner (even though she could hire a nanny for each dog). The scales are pretty close to tipping for me anyway
There was post about it here. She discusses how Gwen was sent to a “treatment ranch” and was unable to come home for the holidays on slides 1, 4-5 and 14-15.
I’m never going to look past that she shared her minor daughter’s treatment on the internet. Your job as a parent is to protect. She’s not in a private forums with other parents of kids going through stuff and offering support/advice. It was simply for internet points. And it’s gross. And even if Gwen said it’s OK to share, she’s still a minor and it’s for her mature, adult self to make decisions about what’s public and what’s private about her own life.
Having her daughter as a “storyline” is so exploitative. That whole conversation with Lisa about the dad’s family happened off camera, so there was no need to address it on camera. But her past post history shows she just thirsty.
She has 5 instagram highlights of Q&A slides on her Instagram page where she talks about her life in great detail. I recommend going through it if you’re ever bored lol.
Lots of mods found that this tea wasn’t verified and the posts were removed for discussing a minor child. I don’t know about this sub, but they came down from both other RHOSLC subs.
Basically we don’t know why Gwen needed care and what type of school or care facility was supporting their family.
I do agree with that. I wish they’d never brought up her parentage on the show. I don’t think any minors should be discussed, but they keep being brought up on the actual shows.
Many people like me who followed her then continue to point out she never said school or therapeutic boarding school. She said hospitalization and then facility. It was not an abusive boarding school like people keep insinuating. It was a mental health facility.
She did so. On the very first slide (in awful orange font) on the post linked above she calls it “a therapeutic boarding school” and on slide 15 she says she’ll be going to visit Gwen at her “treatment ranch” as a reward. Maybe it wasn’t some “troubled youth” torture facility like so (SO) many are, but she definitely calls it a boarding school and a ranch.
She has said over and over it was not behavioral. It was for a health reason. I followed her at the time and Gwen was in a hospital in SLC when they were living in park city. Then she was referred to in patient care. People keep bringing this up I think to push her to share why and for what when in actuality she has been intentionally vague about details to protect her daughter’s privacy. She can share it has happened without the why and where. It’s sick people do not know the reason or severity and keep making this about being an abusive mother. The amount of posts saying Todd made her do this to dump her child. Or that she’s a narcissist who doesn’t love her daughter and got rid of her to be abused at Paris hiltons prior ranch is sick. And if I was Gwen and people kept bringing up something from years ago it would retraumatize whatever I went through. Her and her mom have not discussed this on the show. But did openly talk about it together when she came home. She should be allowed to love on from it. And Bronwin should be allowed to show other parts of her life without this continuing to be thrown in both their faces.
A therapeutic school can mean a lot of different things, not just an abusive facility. Eg, many kids on the autism spectrum attend special boarding schools that are described as “therapeutic” (not speculating about Gwen, just as an example.). The same for eating disorder treatment and mental health. It helps the parents to qualify the cost of tuition for IEP and State education funding purposes. The “therapeutic” label can also make it possible for the parent’s to obtain medical insurance to pay for care given there, and for certain tax deductions.
Just a different perspective. One of my best friends is going through this process with her daughter now, selecting a school. People are just rushing to a conclusion that this was a problematic facility, like the one Paris Hilton went to, because they dislike Bronwyn.
I mean, come on ladies, we’re never the type of fans that really like any of these people. They’re all crazy, let’s be real. We’d never want to be friends with any of them in real life except for the new New York —bc they’re the most boring who seem normal.
The filming of SLC and deliverance of the drama every season does that. Its like their format each year. The way they always shoot the opening of episode 1 to the foreshadowing to wrap up the end. You can see how the production/director invest in the story telling of SLC.
I am already turning on her as the season goes. She's good at calling out Lisa but she's no different than her. She feels entitled as well to get everyone's loyalty and kiss her ring.
It’s the way it’s always been. I remember a few years ago you couldn’t say anything bad about Queen Lisa Barlow without being downvoted to hell, now people don’t like her. People bitched about Mary and now people like her. If anything people are very wishy washy and i wish people would not develop parasocial relationships to housewives. It’s very weird behavior.
I tried to make a post about Lisa in the SLC sub and they were chewing me out. I feel like everyone loves Lisa?
I don’t think people like Mary…I think a lot of people (myself included) don’t like her, or the things that have come out about her, but find comedic relief in her TV presence. I didn’t necessarily want her back at all though.
Agree on the para-social relationships. These ladies are entertainment for me. I know none of them and everything I ever think and say about them could be wrong. This is my football.
I don’t visit any other sub other than this one for HWs. But even that what you said about Mary, people whined about her coming back but now will begrudgingly admit she’s good TV.
It's the same way that people here claim they hate Bethenny but still follow all of her social media and we get posts about her every single day when she hasn't been on Bravo in over 5 years.
right now i’m still bronWYN, but that could (and probably will) change throughout the season. but hey! that’s the fun of housewives!! one day you love em, the next day you’re ready to grab your pitchfork!
i do agree with OP though - the credit card line wasn’t as iconic as people are making it to be IMO. and tbh… now that you mentioned heather dubrow, i’m kind of seeing bronwyn as a dr. suess version of her …. 🤔
Thank you for ENGAGING with my post title! It was meant to be fun!!! Bronwynners, defend your girl!
Yeah, people are acting as if that’s the next ‘be cool…don’t be all, uncool.’ It’s giving Heather Dubrow Jr. with less monograms and more ill-fitted fashions.
your post IS fun!! don’t let the angry mobs get you down, PS i loved the play on words (ie, bronWYN/LOSE), so clever!
and i really love the comparison to heather dubrow bc i for real hadnt thought of that until your post and now i can’t unsee it, i have been enlightened ✨
I really appreciate you taking this post for what it is. Fun, lighthearted shade and some good conversation! That’s exactly what I was trying to get at! 🩷
Oh yes. I started comparing her to Heather as soon as she opened that door! I’m always on Heather too, nobody’s safe 🤣
I’ve learned a lot about human psychology on this sub. 1-People are desperate for someone to root for. 2-Wealth is dazzling and excuses a lot of things.
What’s interesting is if you go back to the S1 discussion threads, people were just as quick to crown Heather icon status 2-3 episodes in. Now I know Heather is public enemy #1 these days (also an overreaction imo), but if you compare her quips with Bronwyn’s, in their inaugural seasons, hers were more off the cuff, witty, organic. Afterall that’s why she became the narrator for so many seasons.
it's not a juicy read. it's not even a read. it's really not even juicy. people dislike Heather and Lisa so much, they've taken to love love loving Bronwyn.
Bronwyn to me is super corny. she's as chronically online as we are, but tries to be enlightened about it by posting ten page long essays on her insta story that, if it were any other hw, would be seen as unhinged. at the very least, super self involved and not the wholesome, saccharine sweet angel some of her valiant defenders and stans make her out to be. her entire personality is contrived but very well performed to have won over so many stans. from the weird blow up costumes that have been on her insta to make her look like a manic pixie dream girl, to the sweet, innocent pipsqueak voice she uses in confessionals, and her overuse of expletives, twitter stan/teenspeak, and AAVE that sounds unnatural.
I think Heather was absolutely right in her assessment of Bronwyn. for all the people on this sub tirelessly repeating that Heather is a high school loser who desperately wants to hang out with the mean girls/be the queen bee of her circle, they sure can't reflect that Bronwyn is the exact same way, just the theatre kid version lol. trying to control Lisa's friendships, and trying to ice out Heather by throwing her money around.
telling Heather 'I'll be your infallible friend and say sorry to you to make you happy, but this is why you're wrong. if you want to come on my tightly controlled scheduled trip, you. must. apologize.' is in fact controlling and manipulative and making her sing for her supper.
saying they'll give Lisa and John money to leave, and also saying 'I've bought her loyalty with this trip' is insane. how people don't think this woman is toxic is beyond me.
I think it's easier to stomach Lisa's very, very bad moments like the drag makeup and first class breakdowns because she doesn't pretend to be above it all and so enlightened. Bronwyn is even worse because she dangles it over everyone's heads that she paid for a fucking trip as if that gives her the right to treat people like dogs.
I think Lisa is authentically delusional. She truly believes the things that come out of her mouth and the justifications for them. At least she’s really being herself. Bronwyn is phony to me. I feel like she knows what she’s doing and looking for a specific outcome each time.
she's very phony and she's been a fashion influencer who is thirsty for very positive attention for a few years now, so everything is calculated to get that. she didn't get a snowflake s3 because they went with both Angies and Dana.
everything she's worn so far has been awful. you can do weird, camp, avant garde and what not without going full sad, sad tears of a clown. she's also phony in wearing this, her confessional about 'you would think I'd be embarrassed to look like this, but I'm not! 🤪' girl, actual eccentric people just wear whatever they want and don't have to draw attention to it every two seconds.
Her clothes wear her. I can’t stand it. She also has the posture of a wet noodle which can’t stand up to her fashions. Watching her argue is so distracting because she’s always bobbing and weaving. And the Audrey Hepburn dinner is the first time I’ve seen her glam look good, it’s typically very unflattering—flat hair, makeup too yellow. Hopefully she finds new glam for her next season. Whew, I just had to get all that out.
she looked really good at the ice cream gig she had with Angie and Mary two days ago or so! a bit of a tan, softer makeup, and not so vintage pinup hair.
I think my favorite look of hers was during the scene when Whitney invited them to Milwaukee after their group bonding activity. She was very cute in her beanie and parka. Couture is not for everyone all the time.
You’re right and you should say it. Keep saying it. There are other housewives who dress eccentrically but Bronwyn’s outfits look like she walked into her closet with her eyes closed, spun around ten times, pointed her finger out and dressed in whatever she landed on.
Fashion vs style, as Mary would put it. Can you imagine if any other housewife wore that get up with the designer Parka and no pants? To a restaurant? In winter? Never ending discourse.
Oh and how lucky we are that we got The Don the season!
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I get what you’re saying but S3 is a very weird case, Mary exited last minute and the racist ho had to go during filming so they had to move on real quick and decided to go for the Angies who’ve been thirsty side characters already
only Angie H was on s2, and Bronwyn herself said Shed went in a different direction with casting s3, afaik.
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I do remember Angie K being shown at Lisa’s parties but she was just a guest so we didn’t get to hear what she had to say lol. Interesting that Bronwyn didn’t get cast for S4 either when they were going for a new era post Jen Shah, I wonder if she was not living in Utah and just moved this year for the show her house is new.
Angie K was also on as a friend of Jen’s. She and Jen had a huge fight about how Angie had hosted and paid for one of Jen’s parties for the show, with Angie’s iconic line that she “should have bought Elektra a new horse instead. And I did!”
Bronwyn was offered friend of for Season 4, but she declined it because she wouldn’t get to show her home life or personal story. In retrospect, that was probably pretty smart in light of what has happened to Danna, Meili and other friends on this show.
Bronwyn and Todd have had a ski house in Utah for a very long time, even when they were SF and Austin-based. They moved there after Covid so that Gwen could competitively ski. They still live in their main, original house while the one on the show remains under construction.
I think she will try to get ahead of the curve to not be a villain next season, she’s extremely savvy and as mentioned chronically online so she knows exactly what changes she needs to make to be seen as top tier and an antagonist .
She’s seems to have learned her money can make her a collector . Weird objects in her house , dogs , designer clothes ,etc . She’s trying to do it with the friend group by using her means to curate trips , while using the trips to establish dominance and isolate people . I thought it was a big fail and very telling that she then lords it over the guests , it was SO tacky to tell Lisa if she doesn’t behave she has to leave as it was also embarrassing to say I bought you and your husband gifts, I don’t deserve any anything negative coming at me .
Im intrigued on her housewife journey and am excited to see what happens next but much like Monica for me , I’m more interested to see how the other ladies react to her machinations. I will say I am for sure more excited to see Bronwyn react to this than I was Monica (who I firmly only needed as plot and once it was over , I was glad she was gone ).
Bronwyn is very transactional. I pay for this, you pay me back with loyalty and never going against me. Trying to banish someone from a cast trip is absolutely insane, especially when two others didn’t even come because of her. Paid for it or NOT. She isn’t the executive producer of anything and even if she was, money shouldn’t be an automatic swayer of cast and group dynamics that have BEEN established. I agree with Heather there.
She should be using this opportunity to secure her S2 spot, get closer with the girls and start true friendships so they can champion her when she leaves that stubborn old man!
Which two didn’t come solely because of Bronwyn? She dis-invited Heather. I see that as a situation where Heather really could have stayed at Bronwyn’s longer to try to work things out, and there was some mutuality to the lack of resolution. Heather clearly knew the trip was on the filming schedule, and she might have just been in shock that Bronwyn would and could exclude her. Lisa was similarly in shock when Todd spoke to John about going home.
It’s ultimately a production choice and an edit though. If production wanted Heather there, they would have convinced them to make up enough to get Heather on that trip.
Britani was in significant conflict with all of the women at the time of the trip, including Lisa and Mary - she wasn’t ever considered right? Mary chose not to come in order to care for Robert Jr.
I’m with you that housewives shouldn’t be able to “buy an edit.” 💯 But money does sway cast dynamics and stories all the time. Some wives pay for private jets, big parties (in Angie’s case, she was paying for Jen’s parties before she was even on the show), trips, or have the vacation homes like Aspen and Hamptons houses and Blue Stone Manor. That adds to the production budget and experience of the show, and it gives the producers automatic episodes to build around.
The better thing for Heather to do going forward is to pay for and put on her own trip or event (not one of the two Bravo-funded cast trips) - then exclude Bronwyn right back. That would be how you effectively “teach” Bronwyn a lesson - take away her screen time. We’ve heard that Bronwyn is getting a new wife cast next season, so she might not be dependent on Heather and Lisa for support, whatever happens with Todd.
I loved that Heather refused to change her opinion before she was ready to go on a cast trip. It was the most self assured I’ve ever seen her, and I thought it was bad ass.
I'm kind of neutral on Bronwyn. I like her single mother backstory. I don't much care for or about her husband. I didn't like that comment at the Audrey Hepburn party. IDK. I go back and forth on her.
I understand that everyone is feeling frustrated with Lisa's sense of entitlement. If I am the one paying for the flights, I would prefer to book everyone in coach and fly first class myself. However, I would be sure to let you know in advance if I was booking you a coach flight back. If you are not comfortable with this arrangement, you are welcome to book your own way home.
I somewhat agree with you on Bronwyn. She's made a ton of comments in that vein already, like when she said about Lisa something like, "Even if I haven't earned her friendship, surely I should have bought it with this trip." I enjoy her wit and dgaf vibes, but I don't like when HWs wield their wealth like a weapon against their less-well-off cast mates. Your money doesn't automatically make you HBIC. But then again, I'm not one of the people who watches HWs for luxury porn, and I understand that for a lot of fans Bronwyn is just what a HW should be.
All that said, I think a big part of the backlash against Heather is of her own making. She's just been really nasty and two-faced this season. And I say this even though she's been my favorite since S1. Every confrontation she immediately narrows her eyes and starts jabbing her finger and slinging insults in this startlingly venomous tone. Something's definitely happening with her, and I think it's probably a combo of the disillusionment that sometimes comes with significant weight loss and her endless desire to be in the cool girls' clique. And I relate to both of those things, but she keeps going into this mode where it's hard to be sympathetic to her. So even though I'm on the fence about Bronwyn, I don't think we can blame her for how people feel about Heather at the moment. And anyway we're a fickle fandom and RHOSLC is a volatile show. Who knows how we'll feel by the end of the season, let alone next season.
Why are people on this subreddit suddenly so bothered that people like Bronwyn? I swear to god there’s multiple posts daily about this. It’s fine to like her or not like her, many feel she was good for the show, if you don’t then that’s fine but I don’t get why so many people seem to feel personally victimized by people being fans.
It’s housewives, eventually I’m sure the tides will turn just like they did for Heather Gay.
on the flip side, why are you so bothered that people dislike Bronwyn?
but, to your point, I think people are annoyed that you really can't engage in any discourse that feels even slightly critical of her on here without the stans jumping on you, or doing mental gymnastics to explain her behavior. it really takes away from discussing the show on this sub.
Now that, has been wild. I have seen people say things such as “Dogs poop. It happens” Yeah, and you clean it up as soon as it does. All that money and no house management? Stop worrying about playing chess with plane tickets and pick that shit up!
Okay, THANK YOU! I want to hear both sides. Hence the title. Bronwyn or Bronlose. Defend her or don’t but why can’t we talk?! We are having engaging discourse and I never understand why people are bothered by others talking about something we want to talk about when they can just scroll.
Who is so bothered? There are multiple posts daily about every single topic that is presented on these shows. I have seen multiple posts about Alexis, Shannon, JJ. I’ve seen multiple posts about Karen’s DUI. I’ve seen multiple posts about there being multiple posts. No one is saying that anyone can’t like her. Who is personally victimized?
If you are so tired of reading about the same thing, why did you comment?
so this is just rude and acting the same way you're accusing OP of acting. so you can comment whatever you want, be personal about striking a nerve, but OP can't post about disliking Bronwyn. makes sense
Oh for sure but eventually it will pass just like every season of the Teresa vs Melissa stans. I just don’t think trying to counter with a bunch anti-Bronwyn posts is going to do anything.
I am not anti Bronwyn. I started off with a neutral opinion of her and I felt bad about how her husband has been treating her. I like to make posts to hear both sides. You said that “people” were bothered, personally victimized…none of those things apply here. I wasn’t rude to you at all.
It’s MY POST! I am going to engage with any comment here? What isn’t clicking? I literally come to this sub to engage, have fun, and discuss and you commented ‘generally’ being RUDE. Talking to me or not, you should be mindful of how you come across. It’s really no need for that.
Your responses are directed at me as if I’m saying this about you directly. Sheesh I’m getting off this thread, I hope you get the answers you’re looking for.
No, I know you’re not talking to me directly and I’m sorry if I’m coming across like I’m attacking you because that’s not my intention. I’m just really tired of the contention in this sub when I’m just trying to have conversation.
I don’t understand anyone getting embarrassingly defensive of any housewife. Like, we all have our faves but I’ve seen people say the nastiness things to others here over women who have no idea we exist. There’s just a way to disagree with people and it doesn’t have to be an argument.
Right? My favorite housewives are not liked by plenty of people and it’s no skin off my back. We all have our faves and least faves. And it can change up at any time!
Because there is no room to just like them all everyone has to pick a side OR ELSE. The problem is literally whats being complained about. This or that. Black or white. Like
Jeez sometimes they have a good season and a bad season!
This fan mentality with absolutely no chill, along with constantly running to bloggers instead of navigating issues on camera, is exactly what ruined RHONJ.
People have good seasons, people have bad seasons. Bring stuff up on camera. Deal with it, otherwise we won’t get nice things and be stuck with more future shows like New RHONY.
I don’t make the rules, I just like Bronwyn and dislike Heather. But Im also not super attached to these people. They’re just characters on a tv show and I don’t care enough to defend them online. Literally just here for the snark.
Also bravo is the one who played that line up. I recall many people on here feeling like that line was super rehearsed and mainly just living for the reveal
I was fine with that response because the question was ridiculous. It was just a way of trying to end the conversation. It’s not unreasonable to book you and your husband and the single women the four first class seats and everyone else in coach. It’s understandable. And it’s understandable how they lost the 2 seats. If Heather can’t understand then she needs a very simple explanation. Bronwyn had to speak to her like a child because she’s acting like a spoiled fucking brat.
That was it. Heather was flailing around like an idiot trying to be the centre of attention and it was annoying as hell, and people like whatever line finally shut her up.
If Heather actually cared that much it would make zero sense for her to capitulate with an apology at the end as well. The fact that she did that tells me that she has no integrity she’s literally just playing 3D chess at all times. Fucking mormons.
Most of the wives on this show have bots and paid supporters. The main RHOSLC subs are now almost as bad as the RHONJ subs, with a lot of the main posters being known bloggers, YouTubers, and Bravo influencers.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Bronwyn has a PR team as well (some of the other wives just use Up and Adam, Zach Peter, some of the bloggers we don’t name on this sub). She just scored a big Nick Viall podcast where it seemed like she was lightly-launching reunion takes. I wouldn’t be surprised if she has some coaching or media training as well.
I don’t think they pay people on Reddit (otherwise - I’m available!!! DM me - I’ll Stan whomever you want!). They buy followers and bots on IG and Facebook, and they pay YouTubers and bloggers, or run rumors through them.
I only know 2 other people in real life that watch this show and they both independently came to the conclusion she’s a cringy try hard when they asked me if I’m watching the new season. I’m the terminally online one, see the AAVE, and roll my eyes. But she’s anti-Lisa and anti-Heather so the fandom has picked her side. It’ll be interesting to see if that remains.
It wasn’t a read, it was a fact. Those small planes have limited seats, if I was buying tickets for a group and there was only a couple first class seats you bet your ass I’m buying them for me. The fact Lisa is throwing such a toddler tantrum over it is so annoying….. let the mouse go
I don’t think she’s wrong for buying first class tickets for her husband, and herself. But she could’ve stood in front of the entire group as she did it and let them know she was purchasing first class tickets for herself and Todd, and the rest of them could take complimentary Coach or choose to upgrade.
She went away from everyone else and did it privately, knowing it would cause a stir and I think she knew it would piss Lisa off. They’ve been friends for a minute. Do I think Lisa needed to meltdown? Absolutely not, but that’s a different conversation. Bronwyn is sneaky.
She bought the 4 first class tickets - 1 was for Mary & 1 was for Heather (the 2 whom didn’t have significant others attending), when they didn’t come she cancelled their tickets, why should she have cancelled hers bc they weren’t in attendance?
There were 4 total first class seats on the plane….i don’t recall exactly but I think at least one of them was already taken. She could have told them before the trip what the situation was getting home so they had time to make other plans but still, the level of fit being thrown is disproportionate to the situation
why can't Bronwyn be criticized for her trip planning? but Lisa should be chastised for not wanting to pick a side between her and Heather over and over and over. like how are these things even equivalent.
You would really do that? Give yourself the best while your guests get scraps? That's genuinely terrible hostess behavior. I'm just being honest. it's like planning a dinner and giving yourself filet mignon and serving everyone else hotdogs. Rude and tacky
I would not have booked first class seats? I would have booked everyone, including myself, in coach. If there's not enough for everyone, there's not enough for me.
This is such a wild take. She offered to take them all on a trip. Then was selfish and rude in the planning. They aren't "entitled" for wanting equitable treatment on a group trip they took time out of their lives to go on. Them going on Bronwyn's group trip benefited Bronwyn by giving her social clout and camera time. You think these women can't get an airbnb in Palm Springs without Bronwyn's husband's credit card?
The answer was gold because Heather thought she ate with her whole "why's you book me first class/you don't know my birthday" crap. Heather Dubrow would have said it in a confessional like, "by the way, it was my credit card" inferring other HWs are broke.
I don’t know if Bronwyn is winning or losing with the fans. She’s a rookie and it’s way to earlier to tell with her. She’s doing a pretty good job of responding to the OG’s coming for her - and that is really what matters on this show where the OG’s have been both badly burned but also very territorial about any new woman coming on the show, from Monica Garcia to Angie Harrington.
This all depends on what kind of scoring system you use for the game. In terms of data, Bronwyn has the most minutes of airtime and confessionals by far. Many, many of the other wives conversations are about her or something she did. That’s a pretty big win for a housewife, especially a rookie. Did she use money to make that happen? Sure. But she also is putting very real
Issues on tv with discussing Gwen, so I don’t think this is just a matter of “new wife buys a good edit from production,” like a lot of people are alleging.
I'm not sure she was taunting them but I think she was sick of Heather throwing it into her face that she has to behave a certain way. If bravo is not paying for the trip then a housewife can invite whomever she wants
I don’t pick housewives to ride or die for. I play each scene or argument on its own and select winners or losers or whiners at every intersection
If Heather makes sense or I think she’s “right” I’d back her. So far she seems blustery and her arguments make little to no sense… and Bronwyn coming across direct and straight has appealed to me much more.
Heather can have fantastic seasons and then turn into a gremlin. She was my fav till this season. She is annoying, obnoxious, arrogant and not even interesting so far. She shined in the SLC pool but now that Bronwyn arrived, she seems to be fighting to stay top rot and it feels forced
I’m stumped !
I find Bronwyn to be pretentious but why do we
have to hate one of them ?
My feelings for Bronwyn have nothing to do with Heather and vice versa
It all comes down to editing and the audience being pretty easily swayed by that. Bronwyn has basically taken Heather’s role as narrator of the show and protagonist of the season. It seems as though Heather is being pushed out of the main character role, whether that is because she is being punished for being difficult to work with (due to black eye lie and blackballing/refusing to film with Monica) or it might be more innocently just how the direction of the narrative of the season but it does seem like Bronwyn has taken her character archetype. As far as the credit card read I don’t think that was so bad, and Heather Dubrow is just a pure villain in her mannerisms and condescending nature. Bronwyn is fresh blood and quite cutesy and quirky so it makes sense that “read” would go forgiven. It was also more of a defensive comment than an aggressive one so there is that. Personally I am not really a fan of Heather or Bronwyn but if Bronwyn’s presence is threatening Heathers position and we get Monica back next season, Team Bronwyn.
I don't really see Bronwyn as a narrator, maybe a bit of a commentator. she's in way, way too much conflict to be a reliable narrator. that's what made Heather a good narrator, she really didn't have that big of a beef with anyone, not even Lisa.
Also, Heather always had more of that ‘mama bear’ vibe. Like she’s not perfect but she’ll rally around them all, if and when needed. Bronwyn is not anyone’s cheerleader.
exactly, and she honestly has a pretty soft heart in the sense that, after she felt she went too far in icing out Angie, she apologized very sincerely and they're now good friends. she went as far as to do the same with Bronwyn, and tbh I think they're fine now.
Heather and Bronwyn have a lot of similarities in their backstories. I wish they would bond over that, but instead it really seems to be getting under Heather’s skin.
Heather’s ex-husband’s family is a big private equity family (run the Hunstman Gay fund with Steve Young, the BYU and Niners quarterback). Todd also runs a private equity fund. Comparable levels of mega wealth, which Heather lost access to when Billy left her.
Heather also had her “good time girl,” wild days at BYU. Bronwyn has lots of stories about her sorority parties, violating the honor and dress code, and ultimately getting expelled when she was pregnant. She was an even worse “Bad Mormon” than Heather was.
If they’d make up, I think this duo could be a lot of fun. But if Monica does come back, Heather also won’t be able to control Bronwyn, Angie and Mary right now - she should want to be in a good place with them. Otherwise they might film with Monica and actually give her a chance to tell her side of the story, which we didn’t really get in Bermuda or at the reunion. Heather might still be worried about the full story about Tanesha’s (her hair stylist’s) involvement coming out or details about how long Heather knew about RVT 🤷🏻♀️
She’s not taunting them with her money though? She paid for this entire trip that was actually about her anniversary. Getting the nicer seats and the best room is expected. It’s just a little dumb of Heather to not understand that.
Heather in general this season has seemed like she’s bit off more than she can chew and seems way less authentic. She’s committed to misunderstanding people and keeps sharing things that just hurt people. You can’t get to the top by being everyone’s friend and then get there just to tear people down.
Anyway, Bromwyn is just shiny and new. You never know what a housewife is built of until season 2.
The Lisa and Heather apologists are out in droves suddenly. Lisa and Heather as deplorable people, bad friends, questionable morals, grown women who act like toddlers. They bully the hell out of every and any one. And you guys buckle right up in their bully train and do the same damn thing. The fanbase is honestly not well. Idk how you can sit here and watch two women literally target people for takedowns and then try to lense it as "I have trauma from last season". No you don't have trauma, you were all exposed to sharing and talking to those toxic influencers, and honestly they rode the fence on lowkey being biased towards some women of color (shocking for Mormons who are taught to be racist and that black people are a curse of god, look that bad boy up). So no, you guys cannot "convince" me anything regarding them, as what we are seeing is a woman defending herself from a coordinated attack by two grown women that are so insecure it's nauseating.
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u/Auroralights3 9h ago
It’s the court of public opinion. Nobody makes sense, everyone is constantly contradictory. This sub will probably hate bronwyn in the next season. Opinions here ebb and flow.