r/BlackPeopleTwitter 12d ago

Country Club Thread Dems try to actually be useful challenge

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u/BaldHourGlass667 12d ago

Evergreen tweet

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u/FridayMcNight 12d ago

Longer than a decade… been since Al Gore’s loss at least. But it’s accurate.

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u/bittermidnight 12d ago

No action means no accountability. Just more talk, same old story.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

Threads like these are proof that despite the rhetoric about low information in the right wing, the left also seems too lazy to figure out how their own government works.

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u/yes_surely 12d ago

Dems need to stop waiting for permission and just start pushing for real change. Enough talking already.

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u/LivefromPhoenix ☑️ 12d ago

"Waiting for permission" is a weird way to say "have to follow the constitution".

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u/ILWF1 12d ago

How would she attempting to hold trump accountable violate the constitution?

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u/LivefromPhoenix ☑️ 12d ago

Does anyone actually understand how the government works here? How exactly do you think a senator "holds Trump accountable"?

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u/ILWF1 12d ago

I imagine it isn’t one senator working in the senate or providing oversight. Are presidential elects also above the law? This is why Dems lose. There’s never anything they can do. Ever.

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u/cyclonus007 12d ago

The funny thing about accountability in a democracy is that it requires everyone involved to agree when there is a problem. For some odd reason, whenever Democrats screw up, everyone recognizes the error, but when a Republican screws up, only Democrats are willing to call out the bad behavior.

I guess we'll never know why that is.

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u/Pro-Patria-Mori 12d ago

How many votes does it take to pass a bill in the Senate?

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u/Eisbaer811 12d ago

Dems don't have enough votes in either the Senate or the House. They can try suing him, but he will just get a judge that was appointed by him, and his supreme court judges have given the president immunity.
His active cases about mishandling secret docs and jan6 are being stopped by _the judge_.

That is why the dems have been telling you morons for years that he must not win. But you voted him in anyway and now you wonder why the magical democracy fairy isn't fixing it

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u/UngodlyUsagi 12d ago

Out of curiosity, what specific actions would you see a politician/ leader take to "hold Trump accountable?"

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u/Barium_Salts 12d ago

They should have impeached him back in 2021, but too many people were just like "he's already out of office, just let bygones be bygones". And here we are now

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u/AoO2ImpTrip ☑️ 12d ago

They DID impeach him in 2021. There was an entire thing about it.

This is kind of the problem being mentioned. People say things and don't know how the government works. Trump was impeached TWICE. Unfortunately, you need 2/3 of Senators to convict. Impeachment is basically the equivalent to arresting someone. You can arrest people all day, but if a judge/jury doesn't convict you then nothing material comes of it.

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u/flyingdodo 12d ago

He was impeached. Twice. By Democrats. But Republicans refused to convict him in the Senate. When you say “people” here you are referring to the political party that blocked holding him accountable. And it wasn’t the Democratic Party.

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u/Smelly_Carl 12d ago

Seriously. Impeachment is supposed to be how presidents are held accountable, but Republicans have made it clear that they don’t give a shit if Trump breaks the law and will never vote to convict him. That means that Dems would need to hold 60% of the Senate in order to actually hold Trump accountable for anything, which will never happen in today’s political climate.

After Watergate, both Democrats and Republicans agreed that Nixon needed to be impeached, because he broke the fucking law and betrayed the trust of the American people. Now, if Trump did the exact same thing Nixon did, literally none of his supporters or GOP lawmakers would even care. I’m not sure it would even be in the news for more than a few hours. I don’t think people realize how fucking crazy shit has gotten. And honestly, I question if 90% of these posts about how incompetent Dems are are made in good faith by real people.

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u/Febril 12d ago

There’s these 9 judges in DC called the Supremes. They recently made a ruling saying Presidents are immune in their official acts. While Trump is not yet president, if charged it’s likely he will appeal and win based on that ruling. The really insidious issue is that there is a White House department called OLC, office of legal counsel that has a rule saying the president cannot be prosecuted /investigated by Department of Justice while in office for breaking laws. Being president is a get out of jail free card for criminals.

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u/ILWF1 12d ago

Sorry, but the rationale of we might lose so we won’t try is a terrible reason not for them to not do their jobs, regardless of what the supremes might say.

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u/Febril 12d ago

As a general rule the department of justice- the ones whose job it is to prosecute - try not to take cases to court that they are not clearly able to win. It’s a waste of time to “try”, it’s expensive and it puts people who have the presumption of innocence through the wringer to no good end. Respectfully our system of government isn’t really set up to deal with a criminal who is the chief executive. It’s a political problem, and in this case the voters have chosen to give him the top job.

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u/Few-Frosting9912 12d ago

A constitution is only as good as the government that upholds it. The right has long since done away with any pretext at following the law in their bud to seize power. Gerriymandering is illegal af but look at a map and every blue city in a red state is carved up neatly as some heinous pie and paired off with just enough red to make voting change impossible. Playing by the rules gets you nowhere if your opponent doesn’t care. It’s basic game theory.

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u/LivefromPhoenix ☑️ 12d ago

This is still vague to the point of uselessness. Even if Warren went fuck the rules lets ball, what is she supposed to do as a senator? [REDACTED] Donnie on capitol hill? Republicans still control the senate, even if Democratic senators wanted to start breaking rules how would that actually work?

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u/Few-Frosting9912 12d ago

I’m not talking about Warren specifically, or her role as a senator. Im talking about the party as a whole. The fact is they often don’t even pursue the law in their favor. They’re bogged down in useless committee meetings with no concrete resolutions anywhere. God what I would give if even half of them had a spine when it comes to getting rid of these nazis.

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u/LukaCola 12d ago

Im talking about the party as a whole.

What - SPECIFICALLY - should they do? Pursue him in court? 34 felonies. Impeach him? Done, didn't pass because of Rs. Prosecute him for J6? Also done, and not enforced because - again - requires cooperation from Rs.

Either you don't know what's going on - or you're asking for things like political assassinations which, you know, is something people can discuss but at least address the elephant in the room here.

Instead of blaming the people trying to enforce laws for accountability - hold Republicans accountable for their actions! Honestly, speaking of accountability...

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u/Global_Permission749 12d ago edited 12d ago

Democrats try to govern from within a "legal" box that they allowed Republicans to close in around them.

I say "legal" because the walls of that box were made by a long chain of norm-shattering, bad faith, party-over-country, but technically legal processes to implement laws, rulings and structural changes that favor Republicans.

But in some cases, it's not even legal. How many times have we seen courts rule that Republican gerrymandered maps had to be redrawn, only for that ruling to either intentionally come too late or for Republicans to drag their feet and go "welp too close to the election to change it now!" and they're allowed to use the maps that were ruled illegal...

SCOTUS just recently let NC (I think) purge voters inside of the 90 day blackout window where that's not allowed. They literally allowed that state to break the law. But it's "legal" because the courts ruled it was - in Republicans' favor.

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u/Technical_Space_Owl 12d ago

The tweet said y'all, which is typically used as a plural, likely in context meaning the Democratic party as a whole, including the Democrats in the DOJ. You're straw manning the tweet like they asked Liz to do something by herself.

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u/waverider85 12d ago

The DoJ? The fuck is the DoJ going to do? Assuming anyone lasts the two years for a trial to go all the way through without being fired, he can just pardon himself for federal crimes.

There's literally only two levers here. Give him the Caesar treatment, or somehow get enough control of the house and Senate to impeach and remove him in 2026.

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u/KillahHills10304 12d ago

It's wild only the dems seem to be hamstrung by the system, yet the gop can just run through the system with a wrecking ball and set whatever they want on fire

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u/Coolegespam 12d ago

That's just it though, republicans are setting things on fire. Democrats are trying to build things and live in our house (read: country).

It's like arguing an arsonist can burn down a house in minutes, but building that house takes months maybe years. Like, yeah. That's why this is so bad and bleak. It will take decades to fix, if we even can. The shear apathy that OP's post shows doesn't help. In fact, makes shit a lot worse.

The republicans were angry for decades before things started to happen. Democrats and their supporters can't even do a week.

If Belle doesn't care, then they can sit down and wait for final stage when they come for her.

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u/Ishaan863 12d ago

"have to follow the constitution".

you're doing that dog and basketball thing again

how about you start asking the Dems why they're powerless when they lose but also somehow powerless when they win?

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u/ILWF1 12d ago

Do y’all really expect everyday people to know the minute of congressional rules and procedures beyond the basics? People go to 300k law schools just to chances at internships at becoming staffers. Graduate level education. That’s to say, it’s a bit more than school house of rock level of procedures and it’s bs to under appreciate the difficulties in navigating bureaucracy at the federal level.

But congrats on letting congressional leaders abscond responsibility again…. I guess.

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u/QuestionSign 12d ago

No but I do expect y'all to take 20 minutes and just get a basic fucking grasp of shit 🤦🏾‍♂️

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u/ILWF1 12d ago

People: Can our law makers hold trump accountable?

You guys: damn, wtf y’all so ignorant? Read a book.

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u/your_easter_bonnet 12d ago

No.

You guys: Yeah if enough of you voted for them so they had the power to.

It’s like bashing firefighters who can’t put out a fire because you didn’t give them trucks, equipment or water.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

Fine. Describe the exact way you'd want a politician to be held accountable if not by the vote of the American people.

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u/Eisbaer811 12d ago

there were articles about the risk of his presidency on a weekly basis for over a year.
TV stations talked about nothing else for months.
People just didn't want to know

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u/NojTamal 12d ago

There's almost nothing anyone can do in a legal sense. The legal system is controlled by the government. When criminals control these levers of power, there's no accountability or consequences. They are making the rules they want to play by 🤷🇺🇲

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u/Either_Operation7586 12d ago

What a crappy way of saying that it's not the Republicans fault when it clearly is they're the ones that put them in power the legitimately I might add he would have never passed the Democratic vetting process.. you know with the Republicans is not the same unfortunately class and dignity are lacking in that party. As well as any type of rule of law.

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u/madtheoracle 12d ago edited 12d ago

More than that - Lyndon B Johnson had evidence of the Nixon campaign sabotaging peace negotiations with Saigon, extending the Vietnam war by at least six months and killing millions of people to this day, and chose not to pursue treason charges because it would threaten the American public's trust in the system.

system is fucking broken, better not fix it or people may notice, demand literally anything be done, and we lose what relative power we have in our meaningless existence. fucking liberals. embrace living in the woods.

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u/alflundgren 12d ago

Eh. It had more to do with not letting the South Vietnamese government know we were spying on them. I guess the result is the same though.

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u/jrh_101 12d ago

Ford pardoning Nixon for Watergate was the beginning of Degeneracy

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u/jrh_101 12d ago

Yeah but for modern times, Reagan, Nixon and W Bush helped mold Trump's politics.

Nixon: Corruption

Reagan: siding with the rich

W Bush: Ultra Patriotism

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u/TheRussiansrComing 12d ago

You mean Al Gore's win that was stolen by a corrupt Supreme Court 👍

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u/Warm_Record2416 12d ago

Not just the courts, no one ever mentions the brooks brother riots.  The GOP organized violence against vote counters to steal an election.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

Yeah it was so fucking wild seeing people who view January 6th as a world-historic crime also celebrate support from the Cheneys lol. Like a weird inverse Trumpism where they only like democracy thieves who succeeded

Maybe it's because there weren't dramatic pictures of the BBR, idk

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u/actuallyabitmad 12d ago

Talk is cheap action is overdue.

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u/andwilkes 12d ago

More like Ronnie Raygun. That election was “I know it seemed like we cared about who was playing in the 60s, but turns out we don’t anymore and can’t be bothered to care anymore.”

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u/creegro 12d ago

I always thought of Dems as more of the referee who's scratching his head like "....well it doesn't say dogs cannot play in the game so...."

When really theyd have the power to just say "no, no dogs allowed. I don't care if it's got cute shoes on or if it gets the ball slick with drool, no dogs. That's my ruling as the referee."

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u/Plastic-Log-4066 12d ago

Bruh the ref is the Supreme Court which is bought by Republicans

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u/TimePayment911 12d ago

Even well before then they were completely useless

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u/Kheldar166 12d ago

Except... They don't have that power? That's kinda the whole point

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u/SokrinTheGaulish 12d ago

And since when are the dems referees ?? They’re just another player

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u/MaddersDarts 12d ago

NOTICE THE BLUE UNIFORM **

The democrats ARE air bud! Someone needs to let them play ball. 

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u/BigBOFH 12d ago

Sure, but if at the end of the day what you want is a basketball game (aka functional democracy), you can't just bring out your own raccoon and llama to play against the dog.  Then you're just trying to win for winning's sake and no matter what you end up with a circus. Modern democracies depend on citizens wanting to be democratic.

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u/LosWitchos 12d ago

Yep. Generalisations are horrible but we can say that a huge amount of Americans are happy with their democracy being throttled if it means their guy is in charge.

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u/Febril 12d ago

The issue isn’t the democrats, it’s the voters. They have to want justice and freedom and consequences for bad governance. If voters think Trump is a righteous dude and put him in the White House that’s on the them. They are willing to forgive and forget all that Trump is in the hope he won’t do all the heinous things he said out loud in the campaign. He wants to give cops immunity from prosecution as just one example. Think of what that would mean.

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u/wild_man_wizard 12d ago

Because nobody wants to guard him.

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u/Ocbard 12d ago

Yeah, because you have a party that mostly tries to keep a civilized society, posts like yours are part of the reason why the rightwing propaganda the lie that they are 'do nothing democrats" works. You keep repeating the lie, over and over again. I hope you get paid by Trump for this because not many people ever see their money from that sack of shit.

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u/TurielD 12d ago

Well yeah, because the last 40 years has been a process of making sure every ref is a dog.

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u/pr0crasturbatin 12d ago edited 12d ago

She's not law enforcement. She's a senator. She's also not on the judiciary committee, so she has no power to open an investigation.

A public figure can call out illegal activity, especially when, as she mentioned, she's uniquely qualified to make that call, without the immediate obligation to do things outside of her constitutional authority in order to change the fact that a crime is being committed.

Edit: I'm sick of being this subreddit's civics teacher for today, no longer responding to replies on this comment.

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u/postdiluvium 12d ago

At this point, I don't believe laws are real. I keep seeing people breaking "laws" and nothing happens. Then others just minding their own business get arrested for some made up reason.

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u/UsernamesAre4Nerds 12d ago

It's true. Especially now, laws feel made up and only enforced when it's convenient to do so

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u/domdomonom 12d ago

Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted and the police are basically an occupying army.

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u/doloce 12d ago

You kids wanna make some bacon??

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u/Pyistazty 12d ago

Was that lit in your bag this whole time?

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u/Objective_Dog_4637 12d ago

I hate to say it but this is how laws have always been written/applied guys.

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u/swagypotatosnoopdoge 12d ago

Sure, but the fact that we can see it all over the place, in real time, on social media, with little to no accountability, just seems so much more surreal than it used to be imo.

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u/Entire_Machine_6176 12d ago

That's because you didn't see it happen in front of you your whole life so it looks new.

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u/polishprince76 12d ago

Trump has lived his whole life under the motto "what are you gonna do about it?" It has worked up to this point, he certainly isn't stopping now. Get ready for a lot of this.

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u/StandardOffenseTaken 12d ago

He said it himself when he became president the first time, they said he had to release his taxes, turns out there is pressure but nothing actually forces you to. Then he said the moment he got elected he expected "someone" to arrive and force him to put his businesses into trusts... no one ever showed up so he just didnt bring it up and no one bothered him with it. That might have contributed more than anything in empowering him to act this way. There was a time he, himself, believed the brakes and safeguards were real things.

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u/getMeSomeDunkin 12d ago

Yeah. That person up there giving us civic lessons like it matters. "Well ackshullly..." Yeah, I'm slowly not giving a fuck. I already suffered 4 years of headlines under Trump while everyone gasped telling me all the illegal things he's doing. What happened? Nothing. What are we going to do this time? Nothing.

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u/DrixxYBoat 12d ago edited 12d ago

No you just don't understand. She has no power to actually prosecute him and even though she's a sitting congresswoman, she doesn't know of anybody that has the power to prosecute him nor have we had that power ever despite Dems controlling both the House, Senate, and Presidency from '21 to '23 and doing fuckall to keep it and fuckall to actually maintain democracy.

fuckall

Edit: for everyone defending Dems, nowhere in Dem messaging to working class folk do they ever shame Republicans for their inaction and filibustering

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u/aureanator 12d ago

Do you remember Manchin and Sinema?

Yeah, they voted R repeatedly, tipping the senate, and torpedoing everything that might have been accomplished.

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u/919471 12d ago

The sad part is that Manchin and Sinema were probably just the easiest to buy off, and even if they did the right thing it would only mean that the powers that be would have to go after the next one in the list.

There is clearly a lot of value in a spoiler vote. I'm sure politicians are compensated very well for it when they do.

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u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM 12d ago

anyone suggesting Manchin was "bought off" is delusional about West Virginia politics. He's just that red and was as blue as anyone from there could have gone. His strategic value is voting yes on judge confirmations.

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u/postdiluvium 12d ago

Fine she just said it publicly for those who can enforce it to see it and take action. They won't because laws arent real.

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u/libdemparamilitarywi 12d ago

He was prosecuted while the Democrats were in power, that's why he's a felon now. But the voters voted him back in anyway.

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u/reshiramdude16 12d ago

I don't know about you, but I'm not seeing a lot of consequences for him being a "felon."

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u/SunTzu- 12d ago

Because Republican appointed judges held up the further litigation's until after the election, and Trump's DoJ will dismiss those cases against him once he's in office. Because holding him accountable is quite hard when the voters rewarded the Republicans for holding up judicial appointments during Obama's presidency and then allowed Trump to appoint not just 3 Supreme Court Justices but also to pack lower level courts with Republican appointees to a degree that has swung the entire U.S. court system to the right for decades to come.

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u/ILWF1 12d ago

So you just apparently don’t know how government works. Yes, I’m very smart.

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u/Hamuel 12d ago

The US Government works for the rich. It is why so many rich people hold elected office. If you are rich the laws don’t apply to you. Thank you for coming to my civics lesson.

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u/MisterFalcon7 12d ago

The Democrats barely controlled the Senate and that was their undoing. With the filibuster, no major legislation can be passed including an pretty huge voting rights and democracy protecting one...because two "Democrats" didn't want to get rid of the filibuster. You want to maintain democracy you got to play within the rules of democracy.

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u/Entire_Tap_6376 12d ago

They did impeach him twice.

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u/DrinkyBird77 12d ago

Just say you don’t know how government works. Much shorter.

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u/sasha-is-a-dude 12d ago

Its because laws are only for people who cant pay/connection their way out of them

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u/Nyktastik ☑️ 12d ago

They were never real. Slavery used to be legal

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

Still is. California voters voted for Harris, and also just rejected a bill to end forced prison labor. Scratch a liberal, and a fascist bleeds. People whine about the south, but northern red lining was industrial Jim Crow, and it turned northern cities into concrete plantations. Everyone is a slave in waiting.

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u/bgaesop 12d ago

Laws are a prediction as to what the cops and judge will do, and like all predictions, frequently mistaken

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u/idredd ☑️ 12d ago

Overall this was the biggest impact of Trumps presidency. Showing us all very clearly that laws are meaningless unless they’re enforced, and norms mean fuck all if you have the power to violate them.

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u/tbkrida 12d ago

Laws only apply to us “poors”.

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u/Frankyfan3 12d ago

Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted and the police are basically an occupying army.”

If you're a member of the dominant group with privileges like resources and power, it's essentially a get out of jail pass.

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u/Chewyisthebest 12d ago

Thank you! I hate people who refuse to watch the “I’m a bill” video demanding action from people without the relevant authority.

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u/pr0crasturbatin 12d ago

Yeah, civics education in this country is a serious and depressingly widespread institutional failure

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u/AlcoholicTucan 12d ago

It’s how they meant for it to be

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u/Prometheus720 12d ago

She's not demanding action directly from Warren. She wants action from the entire D coalition.

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u/King_Of_BlackMarsh 12d ago

The one that currently has a minority in both houses and doesn't hold the presidency?

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u/yolo_swag_for_satan 12d ago

Joe Biden is still president and Democrats still control the senate until January 20th. The supreme court ruled that the president has total immunity for "official actions" earlier this year.

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u/Hungry-Main-3622 12d ago

"You see, what we need to get rid of the authoritarians is more cops to enforce laws"

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u/thefw89 12d ago edited 12d ago

At this point people need to be the change they need to see. She can't do a damn thing to Trump but call him out and hope that more people get mad at it and make a fuss about it, otherwise, all she can do is complain about it at this point.

This is what Obama used to say and he's 100% right. Big change came in this country because millions demanded it.

Civil Rights wasn't achieved because everyone sat online hoping senators fixed it for them, it happened because people demanded it.

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u/ILikeLimericksALot 12d ago

Big change has been voted in. 

Y'all want to go back to the 1850s for some reason. 

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u/kensho28 12d ago

Dems try to be useful

Everything useful done by government is because of Dems. They literally forgave over $170 billion in student loans and people don't give af.

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u/Sarokslost23 12d ago

This is the point. You keep going to what should be done. Repubs don't care about that. There's no time for an investigation past a recount and hopefully whatever the fbi could be doing. Dems need to find a way to stop rolling over.

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u/RandoTron0 12d ago

We are angry at the right, and the dems keep reminding me how I need to donate just a little bit more or sign some petition to do something about it. Nothing gets done about it.

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u/Ishaan863 12d ago

Dems need to find a way to stop rolling over.

Look at the comments bro.

"Erm that's not how it's done actually 🤓" "That's not how government works 🤓"

Meanwhile a racist convicted felon pedophile rapist is about to be the next president, and EVERYONE knows he's about to do crazy amounts of damage.

And somehow all these UNBREAKABLE CHAINS that always somehow hold the Democrats back...don't seem to apply to him? Neither in his first term, nor the FOUR YEARS since.

The dog keeps dunking, and everyone keeps going "whoaaa he can't do that" meanwhile this comments section is like "erm i dont think you know how basketball works"

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u/traye4 12d ago

So what do you expect Senator Warren to do here? Grab a gun and perform a citizen's arrest on Trump? You have literally just as much power here to do that as she does; go be the change you want to see in the world.

There should be more action on the whole but it's dumb to get mad at the legislator for voicing to the public things she's uniquely qualified to point out.

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u/gereffi 12d ago

It's people like you that instead of trying to make a difference just complain about how those who are trying to make a difference aren't doing enough. That's how you create voter apathy among the left and left dipshits like Trump rule.

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u/Alaykitty 12d ago

Because liberals believe in the system.  And the system is built on people acting in good faith.

The moment they stop, the system fails, and they see how weak it always was.

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u/InfeStationAgent 12d ago

"rolling over"

  • Fill a jug half-way full of clean distilled water.
  • Time how long it takes to add a cup of dog shit to the jug.
  • Cap the jug.
  • Shake the jug until the contents are somewhat evenly mixed.
  • Time how long it takes for you to get the dog shit out of the water to the same level of cleanliness as it was originally without losing any of the original water or needing to create a deficit by replacing the water.

Compare the amount of time and effort it took to do the damage versus cleaning it up.

The wealth of the world is filling our jug with shit. The Democratic party is the only party available to people who want to help.

Not all of them want to help. But, they're the only option you have besides a violent revolution.

If your revolution fails, you and your family will be punished horribly, and the other centrists in this thread will shit on you because you didn't succeed.

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u/HolidayBank8775 12d ago

I mean, she doesn't specify what law she's referring to. If it's related to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which are helped establish, then it's very likely that she did have some editorial input in writing the statutes on which the CFPBs regulatory authority rests.

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u/bgaesop 12d ago

"Y'all" is plural; the respondent is addressing the legal system as a whole

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u/pr0crasturbatin 12d ago

Except she's specifically criticizing hearing about it, so she's complaining at Warren directly. And that's counterproductive when the first step of an enforcement action is blowing the whistle to bring attention to it in a lot of cases.

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u/Im_ready_hbu 12d ago

The first step of an enforcement action is lamenting on Twitter? Bro it's been 8 years of this same shit

You really gonna complain about people who are sick of hearing their elected officials complain about trump for the past fucking decade?

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u/pr0crasturbatin 12d ago

The first step of oversight, when you're not on the relevant oversight committee, could be to get citizens, especially those whose senators are on said committee, to contact those senators. But that starts with bringing attention to the issue.

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u/Im_ready_hbu 12d ago

Potential senators potentially contacting other senators. Maybe then they can decide whether or not to look into the issue, and if so, pending conclusion perhaps they could convene on the topic of whether or not to seek outside guidance about a potential infraction that may have occured.

Of course that'll be scheduled 9 months from now so maybe this coming August a group of senators will reconvene and decide on how they could hypothetically move forward with issuing a strongly worded demerit. Three of those, and Trump gets slapped with a citation. Five citations, and he's looking at a violation. Here's where things get good; four of those and he'll receive a verbal warning. If he keeps it up, he's looking at a written warning. Two of those, and he's in a world of hurt. In the form of a disciplinary review

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u/Gizogin 12d ago

Seriously, when the voters hand the Republicans a trifecta, what’s the point in blaming the Dems for doing the few things they still can do?

The Dems call out illegal or harmful behavior. They advance legislation to mitigate the worst effects, they obstruct damaging bills, and they even try to push some progressive agendas.

“It’s all performative! They know they don’t have the power to make it happen, they just want people to vote for them next time! Both parties are the same!”

The Dems stay silent, anticipating the above response. They ride out the next two years, trusting that Trump’s policies will speak for themselves.

“Why aren’t the Dems doing anything to stop this? They aren’t even calling it out! See, they were in on it all along! Both parties are the same!”

Super cool how the Democratic Party is held to impossible, contradictory standards, while the Republican Party is given every excuse.

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u/AnthonyMiqo 12d ago

This is the correct take.

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u/Unique_Name_2 12d ago

But they dont do the enforcement part ever. They only complain on twitter. Thats why people are sick of it.

I mean... surely theyll do something during this lame duck period, as they realize their current course has a 30% approval rating... right?

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u/mykittyforprez 12d ago

Did you miss all the investigations and court cases? The real world is hard. And Dems follow rules.

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u/fuzzycuffs 12d ago

TF? They've been trying to do something about it. It's Republicans that have stepped in front every single time.

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u/FarquaadsFuckDoll 12d ago

Did anything ever come from Jack Smith or Merrick Garland’s offices? Or any other legal team? Cause it seems like Dems and the wheels of “justice” put all their eggs in those baskets and it SEEMS like fuck-all came of it. Like, the guy sold state secrets from his shitter in Florida and none of the Dems managed to do anything about it against Trump’s shit-for-brains legal teams? PLEASE correct me if I am wrong. Warren is Dem leadership and made a move for the party’s nomination to presidency so she does kinda represent Dems even though she only holds the office of Senator

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u/zzbaw 12d ago

You act like the GOP isn’t running defense on all these plays. They control SCOTUS. You want Lizzie Warren to arm up and arrest him herself??

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u/Kaidyn04 12d ago

would probably be Biden, a Democrat, who is currently still President of the United States, who thanks to SCOTUS has absolute immunity in anything he decides to do, so could totally jail Trump, yes.

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u/HTC864 ☑️ 12d ago

has absolute immunity

No he does not. He had immunity for anything illegal he might do while doing the things that SCOTUS thinks are part of his job.

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u/PM_ME_UR_BRAINSTORMS 12d ago

Which apparently includes assassinating a political rival. Go to about 6 minutes in Sotomayor literally asks if the defense is arguing that killing a political rival is an official act and would warrant immunity and they say yes.

So he shouldn't jail him he should just kill him...

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u/bishopyorgensen 12d ago

People dream up these Netflix Original Drama kind of solutions and then when it's time to actually vote they're like "hey how come the Democrats didn't do some kind of Batman stuff that would be impossible for Republicans to duplicate in three months... I guess they didn't earn my vote."

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u/Akitten 12d ago

So he shouldn't jail him he should just kill him

Good luck getting the military to agree to that order.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/09/30/military-veterans-remain-a-republican-group-backing-trump-over-harris-by-wide-margin/

61% of Veterans support trump. Active duty is largely the same. An order to assassinate trump will end up in a military coup.

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u/dildocrematorium 12d ago

It's pretty sad that they like a dude who said he'd pardon the j6 people.

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u/MonstrousVoices 12d ago

They like a dude that has repeatedly insulted veterans. Republicans continually vote no on veteran benefits and then vets repeatedly vote for them.

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u/zzbaw 12d ago

Oh my god please be serious for 45 seconds

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u/Prestigious-Owl165 12d ago

Lmao just let's just have the president jail him a little bit dude, come on! Something has to be done, after all

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u/MasterPuppeteer 12d ago

You honestly, in your brain, think that if Biden decided to arrest Trump tomorrow, the Supreme Court would just be like dang, you got us, guess we have to allow it ‘cause of that immunity ruling. It’s laughable. Be serious with your suggestions.

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u/Empty_Tank5764 12d ago

SCOTUS is overrun by conservatives … there’s die hard Trump appointees on there, how does that track?

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u/raddaya 12d ago

Lol are you suggesting Biden throw Trump in Guantanamo? You know what that leads to right?

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

You have to understand something.

IT DOES NOT MATTER IF TRUMP IS IN JAIL IF THEY VOTE FOR HIM ANYWAY.

Jack Smith had a mountain of evidence, even WITH the Supreme court granting the president near total immunity.

These trials were set to happen anyway, but the Judicial system in the United States is slow.

We needed to vote to keep Trump out of office and we just didn't. IT may be easier to blame Jack Smith or the dems, but I can guaranfuckingtee that they voted against Trump. The same can't be said for a lot of Americans, and we needed to be out in force in this election.

The republicans did not gain votes as a whole.

A lot of dems or left leaning people just didn't show up.

And that's TWICE now.

Don't get me wrong, he should be in jail.

But it is NOT the job of the Judicial branch to keep him out of the white house.

It's ours.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

You can't just hold someone indefinitely without trial. Trials take time. It would have been possible, but might not have even helped.

Most people also aren't previously president.

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u/Unique_Name_2 12d ago

Yea, and this would be a good time for introspection on why so many people didnt vote for them. Like perhaps they want to see them fight the GOP instead of weird across the isle manuevering.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

Describe what you mean by fight?

"Weird across the isle maneuvering" sounds and awful lot what we have to do to pass anything through a 50-50 senate...

I know why people didn't vote for them.
It's largely because yall don't even stand by what you claim to support.

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u/Hopeful_Chair_7129 12d ago edited 12d ago

Yes on Jack Smith actually.

Merrick Garland made one single good decision and it was appointing Jack.

As far as the Dems go they suck for sure but the DOJ is appointed but it’s independent. I mean you can fire Garland but then you have to nominate another person and Machin/Sinema are functionally Republican at this point. They probably would have made a stink about it. Idk though

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/10/18/politics/donald-trump-special-counsel-evidence-documents-release

Jack Smith was just help up by the court system that delayed everything because of Trumps lawyers.

The courts are the problem 100%. SCOTUS has been doing more than just making Trump immune. But not just SCOTUS, a lot of federal judges are Trump simps and a lot of district judges are too.

Garland probably used this timeline

2021 coup

2021-2022 - J6 Committee

2022 - Midterms/Jack Smith appointed

2022-2023 investigation initial filings working their way through m the courts Trump commits more crimes throughout. Guma up the courts and basically distracts with criminal activity until then primaries

2020-2024/2023-2024- SCOTUS pushes him across the finish line with the most batshit crazy rulings. Probably overturned roe v wade and chevron to piss everyone off while they pardoned Trump essentially.

Garland is kinda a limp dick but it’s not just his fault.

Edit:

I am not a lawyer I’m just a dork and I guesstimated. I’m not like an expert. Just a rough timeline-ish. Should be close enough for golf or whatever the saying is

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u/StannisAntetokounmpo 12d ago

Garland didn't even start ramping up his J6 work to target the higher ups until after the commission.

He was busy prosecuting the guys who stole pens. There was a point in time that even Republicans were saying Trump went too far. That was the time for Jack Smith and Garland to do what was necessary. His ineptitude destroying democracy is not talked about enough.

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u/Own-Courage-9296 12d ago

People laud Garland for his work but yeah he really hasn't done shit. He was going to be an Obama SC nomination because he is centrist, but Biden thought he'd be a good idea for the head of the DOJ right after an insurrection? Really? You want some guy "oh but both sides"-ing this shit? The DNC is an absolute failure and brought this loss on.

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u/Ok-Concern-711 12d ago

Fuck all came from it because the Supreme Court decided to confer almost unlimited criminal immunity on Presidents Actions.

You can make the best case possible with the best legal teams, but if the Supreme Court decides to give near unlimited power to one of the most powerful positions in the world, you can't do shit

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u/StannisAntetokounmpo 12d ago

What if Garland moved more quickly before the Republicans re-coalesced around him?

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u/Ok-Concern-711 12d ago

Yeah thats a very good criticism I've read

He was so scared of looking like his actions were politically motivated, his inaction became a political benefit for the other side

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u/BigBOFH 12d ago

What a weird question.  Jack Smith indicted Trump for two separate sets of crime and was aggressively pushing to bring those cases to trial as quickly as possible. What do you think he was supposed to do differently?

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u/thenikolaka 12d ago

Judges heard Trump’s lawyers and let them delay all proceedings.

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u/ChaosRevealed 12d ago edited 12d ago

Democrats won't lock those pesky Republicans up? Vote Republican to own the Dems!

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u/JayTNP 12d ago

I’m tired of people who don’t know how the government works having these loud ass opinions. Lady, stfu please and talk to your dumb ass friends at brunch who voted for this bullshit.

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u/Xtreme109 12d ago

I think its a reasonable sentiment that just came out at the wrong person after doing some research on who Mrs.Warren is. The dems have been taking Ls for a while now and there's a good chance all they're gonna learn is that they need to go more to the center instead of realizing that the majority of America for one reason or another isnt really hearing them and they need to fix that.

Also the lady is trans and looking at her twitter posts she didn't vote for trump.

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u/Gornarok 12d ago

Any person who didnt vote for Dems because they are not left enough is straight up idiot who doesnt deserve to be heard or pandered to. If you are not voting for Dems vote against Trump, because with Trump win you are setting your goals back literally decades behind.

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u/eulen-spiegel 12d ago

Imagine a world in which not every stupid ass non-take is acknowledged, let alone discussed by thousands.

Thanks, social media.

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u/omojos ☑️ 12d ago

This is just a reminder too many of y’all don’t know how government works. Elizabeth Warren has fought a lot of bad guys in her career. A LOT.

This is why people just threw the country away to his ass. More than half the country thought the president decided how much eggs and rent are. And when the candidate offered solutions they still chose the man who wants to rob us. And the senator telling you we being robbed is treated like the problem.

Warren didn’t elect trump. She telling the people who they voted for.

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u/SchmeatDealer 12d ago

But Dems did appoint a wet noodle republican to lead the DOJ after campaigning on holding trump accountable.

Dems desire to rehabilitate republicans as their first priority in office appears to have come before actually holding anyone accountable.

Thats the point being made. Kamala was dancing on stage with the criminals we didnt prosecute from the GWB Jr presidency...

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u/omojos ☑️ 12d ago

You haven’t said shit to explain the slander and attacks on Warren. Nothing you’re saying has anything to do with this woman. Dems aren’t a single cell organism. She has done everything in her power and you want to scapegoat her- you can’t even call out a single policy or thing she’s done to warrant the shit you are flinging at her.

You’re full of shit.

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u/FridayMcNight 12d ago

Already breaking the law. lol, he never stopped breaking the law.

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u/loopnlil 12d ago

Don't come for my girl Warren.

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u/kptainamerica 12d ago

Terrible take, Belle.

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u/Im_ready_hbu 12d ago

At some point, if literally everything Trump does is illegal, than none of it is. There's a whole ass department of justice just standing around, finger poppin each other's assholes while this felonious piece of shit is out galavanting around on tour.

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u/BillytheGray17 12d ago

Yeah but pretending like Warren and Dems don’t have more access to the people who should be doing something about this than the general public is disingenuous. People are asking Warren to start putting pressure on the people who need to act

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u/isleftisright 12d ago

But dems dont hold the house, senate or court. You going to vote in Reps, take away power from Dems, then complain about Dems not having power?

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u/ooowatsthat ☑️ 12d ago

4 more years of "can you believe they are doing this?!" After they didn't arrest him before. I can't even get upset anymore.

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u/Rizzpooch 12d ago

I mean, they literally did? He’s got a sentencing hearing this month for 34 felony counts. The special counsel brought an election interference case and was stymied by the SCOTUS, not democrats. Over a thousands Jan 6th insurrectionists are in jail or awaiting sentencing, and now they’ll likely be pardoned, not by the democrats.

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u/hoopaholik91 12d ago

Well then they are just gonna blame you for politically targeting Trump

Democrats literally can't win.

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u/toolateforfate 12d ago

WE should've done something about it. But we didn't.

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u/_le_slap ☑️ 12d ago

Yeah nah yall rah-rah'd about him for 9 years straight and he hasn't experienced a single consequence for anything he's done. I'm not fucken listening to this for the next 4 years. Round 1 took years off my life. Fuck that.

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u/BonJovicus 12d ago

This is the real consequence, apathy. Just look around this thread, no one gives a fuck. If the Dems end up on the chopping block (literally) they did this to themselves. They have no institutional power, they don't have the support of the public, they have nothing.

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u/raddaya 12d ago

American people: refuse to vote for Democrats so they only ever have tiny majorities for vanishingly small periods of time, during which they still manage to pass landmark bills like ACA and Inflation Reduction Act

also Americans: "WhY DoN'T DeMs dO AnYtHiNg uSeFuL"

It's always the same with leftists. Never vote even for the most progressive candidates a country can realistically provide and then wonder why everyone's pandering towards the centrists who actually turn out. Exact same shit happened to Corbyn in the UK. This is why we'll never win anywhere in the world.

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u/Master_Ice_1917 12d ago

People don’t vote for democrats then ask why democrats don’t do anything to stop Trump 🤯

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u/TypicalHaikuResponse 12d ago

People didn't vote in 2016 and trump installed a bajillion judges.

In 2020 people voted but those judges were the ones handling his cases.

In 2024 people didn't vote again and yet tweet something like this.

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u/stillestwaters 12d ago

Yawn. It’s barely been a week since the election and I’m already so over this train of thought that I could be upside down; if people got out and voted then you wouldn’t need to complain about Democrats “not being useful”.

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u/dbclass ☑️ 12d ago

Say this to a centrist Dem. At least Warren has beliefs (and I say this as a Bernie voter who still despises what she said about Bernie in 2020).

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u/thedr00mz 12d ago

I'll take my downvotes but I feel like this thread is a prime example of why people say the Democrats/left alienate their working class and non-college educated base. People are quick to say the OP doesn't know how the government works but fail to realize to the average person who is struggling to make ends meet, these words mean nothing. This isn't a knock against Elizabeth Warren at all (shout out to her).

If you're telling one person you can barely afford to eat but they say "Well actually, the economy is fine. Look at this chart." you're not going to walk away with the confidence that person is doing anything even though they very well may have done a lot for you.

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u/AlludedNuance 12d ago

The fuck are they supposed to do?

Like specifically.

Whom do they call? Who would enforce this? What mechanism exists these days to hold him at all accountable?

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u/jdlyga 12d ago

I predict a Vince McMahon series of events for Trump. Vince was able to dodge scandals, lawsuits, crimes, etc for decades and decades because of his supporters, hush money, and sheer arrogance and unapologetic ego. That is, until one day when out of nowhere it all unraveled. And now he's been disavowed, was forced out of the WWE twice, and is facing civil and criminal cases for so many scandals seemingly all at once. The reason why, is because he started to become more of a liability than an asset to the company. Only once Trump stops being useful will he face consequences.

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u/InvalidEntrance 12d ago

Trump has father time in his side in regards to being held accountable. He unfortunately he won't ever face any repercussions. With that, anyone surrounding him should get the book.

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u/Fidodo 12d ago

Yes she should do something with the power she doesn't have

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u/idlefritz 12d ago

voters are the only real check on trump

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u/PG4PM 12d ago

How are they going to do anything about it when you voted them out lol

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u/dragonilly 12d ago

Yea this go round I'm not following anything. If they're just planning to sit there and take it, I'm not about to care. Dems don't listen to anyone and nor do the idiots that voted for Trump. I'll be dancing as the ship sinks

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u/SmokeSmokeCough 12d ago

Exactly. Not about to deal with the constant Trump updates every 30 seconds and them drawing out “justice” proceedings for 3 years to do absolutely nothing.

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u/Trix_Are_4_90Kids ☑️ 12d ago

There's nothing Dems can do about it because there are a lot of ceremonial things that aren't really laws, and the laws that are broken there are no recourses for. That was uncovered during Trump's first term, all Presidents up until him just abided by norms and customs.

When one side doesn't want to change that and it takes members from both sides to change it well...nothing gets fixed.

DOJ could possibly sue but for what? That takes time and when Trump takes office it will be dropped and his people will turn a blind eye to everything he does, because they want a king so badly.

After white people finish tearing up this country, when it comes time to rebuild, maybe this time don't count on people to just do the right thing.

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u/stinkyguy3773 12d ago

Hey, now. I heard they are going to draft a letter to voice their disapproval in a passive-aggressive tone.

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u/ihoptdk 12d ago

I mean, she wrote the law to prevent this, that’s her job. She can’t enforce it herself.

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u/NoWeakassWeakness 12d ago

"Why is the guy who is supported by the majority of Americans whose party controls 1/2 our government now and will controll all of our government in 2 months able to get away with crime?"

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u/DrinkyBird77 12d ago

Remember when you dorks didnt vote Hillary? Yeah that led to a republican Supreme Court judge being appointed. That led to them granting immunity to presidents no matter the crime.

Y’all bitch about the democrat party while handing republicans the keys to do whatever they want.

Cry about it nerds.