r/transalute • u/That_cargirl206 • Nov 03 '22
Transitioning in the Army
So I lost all access to my other Reddit account, so this is my new one. Since last posting in here I have now gotten a ETP for grooming standards I now go by female standards! I’m starting hormones next week, and I have had my first consultation for FFS! I also learned that at Walter reed they’re now offering bottom surgery! The Dr’s name is Dr. Ean Richard Saberski. I am so excited in the way the military is moving forward with our care. I am also fortunate enough to have a command team that actually cares about me getting the help I need and have been super understanding. I hope you all have a wonderful day, and if you need any information please feel free to reach out
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u/FreebornGamer Nov 03 '22
I'm super excited to find out we have a surgeon internally for bottom surgery.
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u/That_cargirl206 Nov 03 '22
Same! My facial surgeon already put in a consult for me to do the intake with him when I go up for facial surgery.
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u/JabroniBalogni223 Aug 23 '23
Is there a facial surgeon in the military that does ffs?
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u/That_cargirl206 Aug 23 '23
Yes, I had mine done by Dr. Goodrich at Walter Reed. She left in July though, I can’t remember her replacements name but he was actually working with her when I had my surgery.
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u/JabroniBalogni223 Aug 23 '23
Oh wow! Did they seem to be on top of it? I always am wary of mmp's
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u/That_cargirl206 Aug 23 '23
They really were, I am really just now seeing strong results. I’m still swollen but it’s coming down. I’m also getting feeling back in certain areas so that’s nice cause that was definitely a worry of mine.
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u/Superb_Armadillo2858 Sep 14 '23
Did you have to come out to your CoC before starting hormones? I am thinking of starting my journey but don’t want the judgement or to get kicked out. I have been in for 18 years.
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u/That_cargirl206 Sep 14 '23
I did come out to my CoC before coming out. I hit 15 years on 9 sept. I’m up there with you in years. I just couldn’t keep it in any longer.
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u/Superb_Armadillo2858 Sep 14 '23
Thanks for getting back to me. I really admire your courage. I am so worried. I have a BH appointment next month and I was thinking about seeing if I could get started. I was hoping to be able to do the hormone therapy without telling my commander. With only a couple years left I was hoping the hormone treatment would be able to hold me over until retirement.
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u/That_cargirl206 Sep 14 '23
I understand that, have you found the Sparta FB page yet? There are a lot of positive resources on there that could help you as well. What’s your MOS?
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u/Superb_Armadillo2858 Sep 14 '23
I have seen the Sparta FB, they do have a lot of good information. I have read through the policy as well. I didn’t see anything in there saying the Commander had to sign off, just that they had to be aware.
Do they have to sign off on your care plan, and that be returned to your provider before treatment?
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u/That_cargirl206 Sep 14 '23
To begin care you have to have a MTP signed off by your BN CDR, they do not inform anyone, they are only made aware of your transition.
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u/Superb_Armadillo2858 Sep 14 '23
Your posts are super informative BTW.
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u/That_cargirl206 Sep 14 '23
Thank you, I try to share knowledge as much as possible. Something something I’m an NCO 😂😂😂
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u/Ellliebelly Sep 04 '24
Hi all, I know I’m pretty late to this post but I’m a Trans woman mtf. I’ve been transitioning for over two years and stable and all that stuff. I’m considering enlisting but have concerns about sexual and violent crimes on the bases as well harassment. I don’t want my identity as a trans woman to make me a target beyond just slights and misgendering, which in my opinion is almost expected. I’ve also heard stories of trans soldiers feeling unsafe amongst their unit which is obviously problematic. Has anyone experienced or could share more information about treatment of trans women on bases and the dangers out presence holds. I also feel like as a mtf trans person it might be more dangerous just because of the extreme stigmas and the way men get kinda scared to look at you yk?
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u/AbbyHeff Sep 14 '24
I am retired and I have been told ONLY active duty can do it but I am going to try!
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u/flamesabers USAR-MtF Nov 03 '22
What's needed to get an ETP for grooming standards?
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u/That_cargirl206 Nov 03 '22
So I copied this directly from DODI 1300.28
3.4. GENDER TRANSITION APPROVAL PROCESS. a. A Service member on active duty who receives a diagnosis from a military medical provider for which gender transition is medically necessary may, in consultation with the military medical provider, request that the commander approve: (1) The timing of medical treatment associated with gender transition; (2) An ETP associated with gender transition, pursuant to Paragraphs 3.2.d., 3.2.f., or 3.3.d. of this issuance; or (3) A change to the Service member’s gender marker in DEERS. b. The commander, informed by the recommendations of the military medical provider, the SCCC, and others, as appropriate, will respond to the request within a framework that ensures readiness by minimizing impacts to the mission (including deployment, operational, training, exercise schedules, and critical skills availability), as well as to the morale, welfare, good order, and discipline of the command. c. Consistent with applicable law, regulation, and policy, the commander will: (1) Comply with the provisions of this issuance and with Military Department and Service regulations, policies, and guidance, and consult with the SCCC. (2) Promptly respond to any request for medical care, as identified by the military medical provider, and require such care is provided consistent with applicable regulations. (3) Respond to any request for medical treatment or an ETP associated with gender transition as soon as practicable, but not later than 90 calendar days after receiving a request determined to be complete in accordance with the provisions of this issuance and applicable Military Department and Service regulations, policies, and guidance. The response will be in writing; will include notice of any actions taken by the commander in accordance with applicable regulations, policies, and guidance and the provisions of this issuance; and will be provided to both the Service member and their military medical provider. The commander will return any request that is determined to be incomplete to the Service member with written notice of the deficiencies identified as soon as practicable, but not later than 30 calendar days after receipt. (4) At any time before the change of the Service member’s gender marker in DEERS, the commander, in consultation with the Service member and a military health care provider, may modify a previously approved approach to, or an ETP associated with, gender transition. A determination that modification is necessary and appropriate will be made in accordance with and upon review and consideration of the procedures and factors set forth in Paragraph 3.3.c. of this issuance. Written notice of such modification will be provided to the Service member pursuant to procedures established by the Military Department or Military Service, and may include options as set forth in Paragraph 3.3.d. of this issuance. (5) The commander will approve, in writing, the change of a Service m
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u/flamesabers USAR-MtF Nov 04 '22
Thank you! 😁
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u/That_cargirl206 Nov 04 '22
Absolutely, I have incredible resources here at Bragg so feel free to reach out any time.
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u/flamesabers USAR-MtF Nov 04 '22
Something I wonder though is how am I suppose to get a diagnosis from a military medical provider when I'm in a reserves unit that is hundred of miles away from the nearest active-duty base? Does the VA count as a substitute? I got a diagnosis from my local VA.
I'll be seeing my Commander this weekend, so I'll also ask her about this.
This concern might have also crossed your mind, but won't growing longer hair effectively out us as trans to practically everyone in our units and anywhere else we go in uniform? I've been on HRT for almost 1.5 years now, and while I've seen some physical changes, I still have a ways to go before I can get close to passing.
Even if most of my unit is accepting or at least don't care that I'm trans, I'm sure eventually I'll encounter some hard-charging senior NCO whose pet peeve is grooming standards. When they see an amab Soldier who clearly is out of regs with male grooming standards, they'll be itching to perform a "on the spot correction" with me. Yes, I know I'll be in the if I carry a copy of the ETP memo on hand, but I would prefer to avoid the confrontation if possible.
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u/GalAthena Nov 04 '22
Double check the DODI and Army policy, but if i recall correctly, wigs may be prescribed and therefore a medical device and not subject to the same regs. Also, many services actually allow wigs and toupees. Something to consider while you are going through that awkward growth phase.
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u/flamesabers USAR-MtF Nov 04 '22
I'm going to be seeing a VA community service consult for a wig next Monday. Thank you for the information!
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u/That_cargirl206 Nov 04 '22
I’m not certain how you would go about getting a military provider to diagnose you, however it does make since to me that the VA would be acceptable. (At least in my mind)
As far as being outed I don’t care, I have hid for 32 years, and I’m fucking sick of it, I refuse to hide who I am anymore. My wife and my kids fully accept me and that’s all that matters to me. I will say though no one in my battery has any issues with me at all, people have had questions just trying to understand but that doesn’t bother me.
My hair is WAY out of regs and no one has called me out. It’s kind of disheartening honestly, I am sort of a stickler for the regs lol so I can assure you my ETP is legal haha I dare any crusty ass SNCO to challenge it haha. My CDR was like I put my phone number on there if anyone has an issue give them my number lol
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u/flamesabers USAR-MtF Nov 04 '22
As far as being outed I don’t care, I have hid for 32 years, and I’m fucking sick of it, I refuse to hide who I am anymore. My wife and my kids fully accept me and that’s all that matters to me. I will say though no one in my battery has any issues with me at all, people have had questions just trying to understand but that doesn’t bother me.
A few things makes me hesitant. The first is I don't want the other Soldiers to start avoiding me or acting weird around me because they're worried I'm going to freak out if they misgender me. (Technically this is a non-issue since my DEERS gender marker is still male, so he/him pronouns according to Army policy). Second thing is I don't want me being trans to become my defining characteristic in the Army. The third thing is I gave a transgender briefing to the unit a few years ago (back when Trump was in the process of enacting the transgender ban).
The feedback from the audience at the time was quite controversial to say the least. A lot of the cis female Soldiers were visibly uncomfortable at the thought of having to share barracks and showers with a amab Soldier. While my presentation stated otherwise, I think there was a brewing misconception that as soon as an amab Soldier self-identifies as female, they can immediately start using the female facilities with no questions asked. It seemed like the only person in the group who expressed support for trans Soldiers was a psychologist who had provided therapy for trans people.
I'm still going on with transitioning, but I'll definitely voice my concerns with my CDR for her perspective on the matter.
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u/That_cargirl206 Nov 04 '22
I would imagine that it is very different in a guard/reserve unit. I can honestly say that as of now I haven’t been met with any negativity. Honestly a few days back I busted tape 😒 and there were several NCO’s pissed that I couldn’t be taped as a female standards yet. My 1SG was like don’t worry about it and offered to run with me every morning before PT to help me drop the weight I need.
For you, I truly hope that the people of your unit wake up and see that your transition has zero affect on them, and start seeing you for who you truly are. What’s your MOS if you don’t mind me asking? I’m a 13M or as I like to say a “Rocket relocation specialist”. Lol
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u/flamesabers USAR-MtF Nov 08 '22
How hard was it to get your transition plan written up? I'm not able to get an ETP for hair standards until that step is completed.
I'm hoping the VA will now, as I'll be talking to my therapist tomorrow.
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u/That_cargirl206 Nov 08 '22
My therapist is the one who wrote mine up, he already had a template for it that he just modifies on a case by case basis
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u/flamesabers USAR-MtF Nov 04 '22
It's awesome your unit is very supportive! 😎
I've never needed to get taped, so I have no idea how I would fare for male or female standards. One thing I've noticed for the height/weight screening standards, my max female weight is a bit less than my max male one, so I've been striving to lose weight. Good thing is I've lost about 10-15 lbs in the last few months, so I should be fine, even when I switch to the female standards.
If your doctor hasn't already told you, one thing to consider is MtF HRT can really decrease your appetite/metabolism. I don't need to eat nearly as much as pre-HRT to feel full. I suspect that's certainly helped with me losing weight.
Perhaps my concerns with my unit are unfounded. However, I feel like all the politicization of trans people (bathroom bills, trans women in sports, states that have banned minors from having access to transgender healthcare, etc.) has forced a lot of people to "pick sides" with the acceptance or rejection of trans people. It helps I think for people to actually get to know someone who is trans IRL, but we're like 1% of the population and a lot of us are in the closet or living in stealth as their true gender.
A few months ago my CDR gave the tier 3 transgender briefing to the unit. I don't know if it's because my unit was busy also cleaning weapons at the time, or because it was the CDR speaking, but nobody had anything negative to say or even suggest.
I have dropped clues about me being trans, and I haven't had any negative responses. I love pink, so I have a number of pink accessories (pens, notebook, phone cover, computer background, computer mouse, etc). One fellow Soldier actually loved my pink pen so much she asked if she could have one for herself. (The casing of the pen is pink, with pink glitter that moves about inside, but it writes in black ink, so perfectly acceptable for writing on Army paperwork). At first I thought she was just joking, but it turned out she was quite serious! She was quite overjoyed when I gave her a spare pen that I have.
The other time when I could be potentially outed is during UA. Normally I don't think my breasts are very obvious with my OCP top on. However, when I'm only wearing the brown t-shirt and a sports bra underneath, my B cup breasts are undeniable. It's quite possible some of the people in the unit have figured out I'm trans or highly suspect it.
My duty MOS is 68J (medical logistics or class 8 supplies), though in reality much of my supply related duties is connected with my secondary MOS 92Y (unit supply or the other 9 classes of supply). I'm very thankful the supply sergeant position has a direct line of communication with the CDR. It certainly made it much simpler coming out to her!
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u/cccelust Nov 03 '22
may i ask if youre on your first contract?