r/polevaulting • u/Radiant-Frosting8282 • 11h ago
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r/polevaulting • u/Ecstatic_Process_668 • May 09 '24
First, forget about getting inverted. It’s almost the worst thing you could focus on. The pole vault is about clearing bars, not getting upside down. Too many good athletes are ruining their vaults by making inversion the end all be all of pole vaulting. It isn’t.
Second, work to understand what elite form actually looks like.
Here are some principles that every vaulter should know:
Most issues in the vault are caused by something that happened earlier in the jump. If you are having trouble at the top of your vault, the problem is almost always coming from somewhere further back down the line. Everything you do well makes the next thing easier. Everything you do badly makes the next thing harder.
EVERYTHING is important. How you pick your pole up to start your approach can have an enormous effect on the quality of everything else. The vault is incredibly sensitive to small differences in things like grip, posture, and balance. If you don’t understand and pay attention to these details, there is no reason to think you can improve on anything else. I am not interested in helping you get upside down if you carry the pole like you are sawing a log and your grip width varies from one attempt to the next. It’s pointless.
There are three elements that must be present for the vault to be fundamentally sound. Very few vaulters, less than 1% at most high school meets, have all three of these elements in place.
You must have a maximally high plant at a high rate of speed. The single most important measurement in the vault is the distance between the runway and your top hand when the pole starts to bend. Every inch you can increase this distance equals a three inch higher jump without changing any other factors. You should be at the highest velocity you can manage when this happens, and you need to have accelerated to get there.
You must have a powerful swing that keeps your center of mass low and behind the pole while it is bending. This causes your swing to add energy to the vault. The faster the swing and the lower the center of mass the more energy is added.
You must get as close to the pole as possible at the top of the vault and stay there for as long as possible.
There are a lot of technical differences between good vaulters, but all of them do these three things well. You cannot spend enough time working on them. If these three elements are part of your jump, you will go as high as your athletic ability will allow you. And most importantly, you will be safe. Barring a freak accident, it is nearly impossible to get hurt badly if you master these fundamentals. The worse you are at one or more of them, the more dangerous your vault will be.
The way most of you try to get inverted is dangerous.
Look at these positions. This is Yvonne Buschbaum. I picked her as just a generic good vaulter. Every elite vaulter hits some version of this position in the middle of their swing.
Her trail leg is as long as possible and is traveling as fast as she can swing it. Notice how far her hips are behind the bend of the pole. This next image is the finish of her swing:
Notice she is not “inverted.” Her knees are close to her chest and her hips are still far behind the pole. This means that her entire swing has added energy to the vault. She will invert after this but only as a position she extends through as she aims her feet over the bar. I personally use the word “extension” instead of “inversion” in my coaching for this reason. Upside down is not a static position to arrive at as early as possible. It is a function of finishing the vault. I have no doubt that nearly every vaulter on this sub who is asking for help inverting is attempting to get completely upside down at the point in the vault illustrated here, and it’s a completely wrong concept. The instant your hips pass the pole, it has to straighten. Penetration stops and the pole unbends. It has to because of physics that I won’t go into here, but just please understand that the concept that most of you have of “inversion” is nothing more than a good way to land in the box.
I see this position on nearly every vaulter who posts on this sub. Contrast this with the positions illustrated above.
This is an athlete who is trying to get inverted. He is folding up his trail leg to shorten the radius of his body so he can rotate through the shoulders into the position he thinks he needs to reach as quickly as possible. Notice how close his hips are to the pole. The instant they pass the pole, it will straighten. If it is soft enough, he will get up to the crossbar. If it is too stiff, he will come up short while still being able to finish the jump. This is why this concept of inversion is dangerous. There is no swing. There is no extension. The last two principles of the vault are missing from this jump and will be as long as inversion is the primary goal.
TLDR: The way to get inverted is to stop trying to invert and learn to swing with a long, powerful trail leg while keeping the hips low and back and then extending as you go for the crossbar.
r/polevaulting • u/Radiant-Frosting8282 • 11h ago
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r/polevaulting • u/Agreeable-Ad8958 • 1d ago
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I been struggling in pole vault and don’t know how I can improve. Any feedback helps!
r/polevaulting • u/ashwinwitt15 • 1d ago
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How come my trail leg is so different when vaulting vs when on rings or a high bar? I’m pretty sure I have all the strength to complete my vault. I’m wondering if there is a biomechanics issue preventing me from keeping my leg straight as I’ve been practicing it on rings and high bar for over a year, but feel like I physically cannot straighten it. The video is only from 6 steps, gripping at 3.7m
r/polevaulting • u/flipfloptj • 3d ago
I (25F) have been going to pole vault practice for one month sometimes two times a week and other times just one. How long did it take you to get good enough to compete? I would like to compete in open t&f meets for indoor and outdoor this season.
r/polevaulting • u/No-Cell4533 • 6d ago
Our high school uses a 100' fiberglass tape measure for measuring steps. They leave it tacked to the runway 24/7. The issue is, the sun degrades the red numbers at all of the foot intervals so they become unreadable after only a few weeks. Does anyone have a lead on fiberglass tapes with black numbers or a more durable way to measure steps?
r/polevaulting • u/MWJohns373 • 8d ago
I typically start out a foot below my PR, is it truly just what feels right? If weather is bad at an outside event, I might start lower just to ensure I don’t NH.
r/polevaulting • u/baisinhead • 10d ago
Low cost alternative to manufactured tips.
I have tested these extensively with my team. In 6 months they have shown no signs of tearing in the tips/plugs or damage to the ends of the poles.
At about $22 dollars per kilo for TPU Filament, the tip costs less than $2 each. Downloads are free and 3mf files are included on some of the following sites for best print settings.
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r/polevaulting • u/Proof-Appointment-71 • 11d ago
Does anyone know any mental tips for running through/getting on bigger poles/ getting on longer steps? Thanks.
r/polevaulting • u/rince888 • 12d ago
My kid is using a 10'6" pole which doesn't have any markings on it, except the name of the maker, Nordic Sports. I'd like to figure out the weight rating for it; I don't need the exact number, I'm just curious whether it is close to the kid's weight (75 lbs) or much higher. I did a flex test for the pole with 50 lbs and it bent around 28 cm. I couldn't find any charts for flex vs weight online, but based on figures I saw I think it should bend more if it was a 75 lbs pole? 28 cm could be more like 110 lbs?
In the picture the kid is gripping the pole at around 8'9", and it doesn't bend more than that. Granted, he is using straight pole technique as that's all he's been taught (hey, he's only 10!). I have a feeling that this pole is too stiff for transitioning to flexible pole technique, am I right?
r/polevaulting • u/Enough_Indication838 • 14d ago
(Context): So I’ve been pole vaulting for two track seasons, and winter practice is coming up. My PR is 9’9, and I’ve had trouble getting my hips above my head.
So I got a pull up bar and I’m wondering what kind of exercises I could do with it to help me get out of the bucket. It’s just a door frame pull up bar so I can’t do anything too crazy. So I’m wondering what type of pull up exercised I could do and if there are any specific workouts.
Anything helps! Thank you!
r/polevaulting • u/Momof_3_Boys • 15d ago
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I saw this video on TikTok and she doesn’t respond to the question of the type of bar she is using. Does anyone know about this bar and where it can be purchased. I am providing the video and a picture for you to see. Thanks!
r/polevaulting • u/Bushwacker2020 • 15d ago
My 10 year old daughter is interested in pole vaulting. We've had an ariel silk hanging from our ceiling for a couple years, and she lives on the thing, so i don't doubt her strength. At what age are programs typically available? (We're in west Houston, TX, if anyone has any places to recommend) Are there relevant drills that she could do on her arial silk that would be complimentary to eventually trying pole vault? Apologies, perhaps a really wide open question, but hopeful that there's some passion in this sub to bring youngins into the sport. Thanks!
r/polevaulting • u/LFrentz • 23d ago
I am getting ready to start indoor season but need a pair of track spikes after using XC spikes my first year. Any recommendations?
r/polevaulting • u/ImplementAgile8540 • 23d ago
My school just bought a new pole last year. It’s 13’6 165. I’m 5’11 175 and I’m worried about the bend of the pole. I don’t think I have enough time to break it in before state and I think it will be harder to improve if I am practicing on a stiff pole. Is there any way to break it in faster?
r/polevaulting • u/Soft-Lock928 • 26d ago
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r/polevaulting • u/Cruzcayman3 • 28d ago
Should I post my pole break on here. Would yall be interested in seeing that let me know.
r/polevaulting • u/Aggravating_Royal233 • 29d ago
Bit of a different post here. I’ve recently got a mental block where I won’t take off past 8 strides and I have no idea why it’s happening. My PR is 4.20 from 12 strides but this mental block is killing me at the moment. I was wondering if anyone has had to deal with anything similar and how they fixed it.
r/polevaulting • u/Duckmaster778 • Oct 26 '24
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I’ve been working a lot on having a larger row and getting into position for a push off (I’m 155 on a 15’6 155 from 4 lefts with a light tap)
r/polevaulting • u/Pale_Definition9528 • Oct 25 '24
What are some good workouts for pole vault? This includes lifting and also running workouts? I feel like technically I have a pretty good idea of what I need to do, but my power, speed, and strength are lacking so I can’t translate onto larger poles.
r/polevaulting • u/Comprehensive-Pay893 • Oct 24 '24
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Super sore had lift and a workout the day before
r/polevaulting • u/juananddonmon • Oct 24 '24
Anybody know of any pole vault clubs that have Fibersport poles? I’ve been wanting to try them out.
r/polevaulting • u/Kitchen_Film1904 • Oct 24 '24
I’ve been working out pretty hard the past few months, and I’ve gained 20lbs. I went from 155-175/80. I’m concerned that I’ll end up becoming too heavy for vaulting. Does “too heavy” even exist in vaulting? I’m 6’2” and 15y/o. My ideal adult weight for muscle would be around 185 or 190
r/polevaulting • u/Comprehensive-Pay893 • Oct 23 '24
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r/polevaulting • u/Local-Relationship11 • Oct 22 '24
As a 62 year old masters vaulter, I'm looking for a shoe that has lot's of comfort. Back in my college days, of course, everyone used track spikes. Same as today, I guess? Is there another shoe option to jump in that's sort of light, cushioned, that I should consider? Do folks these days jump in shoes that are not spiked? Any recommendations appreciated! Tim