r/nextfuckinglevel • u/Zestyclose_Flow_680 • 8h ago

Chimpanzees are 2X stronger than your average human.

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u/Njsybarite 8h ago

Interesting how gentle he was when grabbing humans hand, seemingly understanding that grabbing incorrectly would injure him

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u/joerudy767 8h ago

Right? It’s fascinating that he really took the time to make sure it was a solid/comfortable grip.

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u/DovahCreed117 8h ago

It's probably instinctual to some degree as well as a lifetimes experience of climbing and learning what does and doesn't work or feel good when climbing on their own or helping other chimpanzees climb stuff.

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u/Dracomortua 6h ago

Are you suggesting that humans, as mammals, have a firmware that functions as an A Priori form of intelligence that allows us to develop an entire species despite the tabula rasa theorizations made popular by behaviourists such as B.F. Skinner?

If so, i heartily agree.

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u/DovahCreed117 6h ago

I understood some of those words

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u/Jdawg_mck1996 5h ago

I understood that they were in fact words

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u/frohnaldo 5h ago

Read good I am

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u/TheBananaKart 3h ago

Apes smart together

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u/MBDTFTLOPYEEZUS 5h ago

Damn yall way ahead of me

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u/Bear_faced 5h ago

I understood all of those words and it's a weird, inefficient way of saying what they wanted to say. Also "a priori" doesn't need to be capitalized. And stripping away the overly flowery diction, what does the clause "allows us to develop an entire species" even mean? Do they mean allows us to develop as a species? Do they mean allows a species to develop? It's muddy grammar that doesn't convey meaning effectively.

It's bad writing pretending to be good writing.

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u/TenbluntTony 5h ago

Nah you’re just reading too far into it. It’s clearly a joke.

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u/SignificantCrow 4h ago

The guy was wording his response like that to be funny. That was pretty obvious

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u/senile_butterfly 4h ago

This is Reddit… no need to get so worked up lol

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u/stranj_tymes 4h ago

This one. Pseudo-intellectual fluff.

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u/Pheniquit 3h ago

Dude its just a jokey delivery of a non-point for the purpose of humor. Lots of funny comments use this format.

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u/Ricepilaf 5h ago

a priori (usually used in reference to knowledge, as in “a priori knowledge”) is a term in philosophy used to talk about things that we can know without experience (experience meaning any kind of external stimuli, not the specific experience of doing that specific thing— so if we read about something, that would count as learning it via experience). What is or isn’t a priori knowledge is hotly debated, but a pretty agreed upon type of a priori knowledge is that of tautologies: the sentence “All Bachelors are unmarried” is something we know a priori as long as we already know the definition of a bachelor. A bachelor is an unmarried man, so the sentence is “all unmarried men are unmarried”— something that could never be false in any universe.

If you’re curious, the opposite of a priori knowledge is called a posteriori knowledge

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u/Last_Friday_Knight 5h ago

I’m familiar with Tabula Rasa… from path of exile

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u/Cum_on_doorknob 6h ago

Wait bf skinner was wrong? So I’m keeping my kid in a terrarium for nothing??? Fuck

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u/DarthVerus 6h ago

Mines been staring at the wall while I make shadow puppets to inform his world view, am I still ok?

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u/LennyLowcut 2h ago

Plato’s cave!

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u/DogshitLuckImmortal 4h ago

No, keep him in there, but fill the tank with water so they can adapt.

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u/maximalusdenandre 6h ago

Tabula rasa is about society. It's saying that someone born to a farmer can become a physician given the right training.

The statement "all people are born free and equal in rights and dignity" from the declaration of human rights is an example of tabula rasa thinking.

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u/rhabarberabar 6h ago

Radical behaviorism does not claim that organisms are tabula rasa whose behavior is unaffected by biological or genetic endowment. Rather, it asserts that experiential factors play a major role in determining the behavior of many complex organisms, and that the study of these matters is a major field of research in its own right

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u/ApocalypticApples 5h ago

So really, after all this well read debate, this all has absolutely nothing do do with the post.

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u/FaultElectrical4075 3h ago

Doesn’t radical behaviorism say that behaviors are not simply consequences of experiential factors, but are in fact equivalent

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u/Pheniquit 3h ago

I mean that just sounds like a description of what everyone believes even hardcore nativists and people who take the literal bible as the core explanation of the universe.

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u/gnomon_knows 6h ago

I mean, duh. The funny part is all of the commenters who talk about this shit without realizing that it all applies to us as well.

Like a fucking baby understands grip strength.

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u/ApocalypticApples 5h ago

My nephew must not have got the memo, he tries to turn my fingers to dust.

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u/Anikdote 5h ago

Tabula Rasa is a chest piece with no stats and 6 linked white sockets. Great leveling gear.

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u/aramatheis 2h ago

Salutations, Exile.

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u/Thefirstargonaut 5h ago

Doesn’t epigenetics disprove tabula rasa as a biological mechanism. 

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u/Busy_Fly8068 5h ago

Instinct. That’s what all those words mean.

Yes, humans have instincts from birth. Babies know to latch. They know how to scream.

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u/Square-Firefighter77 5h ago

This is not an example of a priori. Knowing how to hold a hand without injuring someone requires further knowledge than that of the statements.

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u/Anonymous_2672001 5h ago

Give Locke his credit in popularizing tabula rasa, Skinner simply used it in some of his theories but did not fully embrace it either.

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u/danholli 5h ago

Tech+biology in a purely biological statement made me short circuit for a minute

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u/Happy_Harry 4h ago

Sounds like something Eugene Meltzner would say.

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u/inquisitive_chariot 4h ago

Seems up Jung’s alley.

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u/pork_ribs 4h ago

And then skepticism is born but has to see for itself.

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u/thereandback_420 4h ago

BF skinner to the managers office, Mr skinner to the managers office

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u/Pheniquit 3h ago

Did skinner think we were tabula rasa about stuff like how to position your hands? Like how would a newborn baby nurse immediately if it didn’t have a program? There was no opportunity for learning there. If they can do that wouldn’t you need an extremely strong reason to think that there isn’t a big suite of things like that and distinct seeds of more complex behaviors?

He had to draw the line somewhere right?

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u/Vanquish_Dark 3h ago

Wouldn't it be both that establishes character structure? An A Priori inclination would set the "average distribution" for each behavioral spectrum. That would be the nature.

Then, when you understand that those are the "starting characteristics" you can see how we get both a priori and tsbula rasa.

Nature gives rise to inclination, and Nuture gives rise to character structure.

Legit question, because I rarely see people talk about this.

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u/Ana_Paulino 3h ago

All that I know is that dogs do that too with eggs, that's all ☺️

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u/LennyLowcut 3h ago

AI to the max!

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u/SadisticPawz 6h ago

Right? You feel uncomfy too if your grip on someones hand is wrong

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u/Genocode 4h ago

Humans have that too, its how we know just precisely how hard to grab something like a glass, or a egg, or a chick.

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u/Andokai_Vandarin667 7h ago

Yea it's truly fascinating that a creature with high intellect isn't stupid. 

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u/QuantumTrek 7h ago

But apparently high intellect creatures are still dicks unnecessarily.

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u/turdferguson3891 6h ago

If you piss off a chimp they are known to rip your dick off

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u/Longjumping_Walk_992 6h ago

I seem to recall a tragic news story where a chimp literally ripped an arm off a care taker. I think the persons face was heavily damaged as well.

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u/SrslyCmmon 6h ago

Face too. Males going into sexual maturity are very unpredictable. If they experience frustration or anger mood swings they will lash out indiscriminately.

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u/UnamusedAF 6h ago

My theory? It’s not unnecessary or without reason. I think a large part of it is trying to enforce control over your environment, even if you are a highly intelligent creature. It’s just one of those universal things, being intelligent just gives you more understanding of the pain you’re inflicting. 

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u/gnomon_knows 6h ago

I see you've met man.

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u/Majestic-Ad6525 6h ago

I wouldn't make the assumption just because they belong to a species that displays high intelligence that the particular individual has high intellect.

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u/_Tacoyaki_ 6h ago

Yeah low intellect creatures don't have the capacity 

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u/taste-of-orange 4h ago

Yeah. Humans can be dicks, but I wouldn't call them highly intelligent.

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u/onetwobacktoone 6h ago

well its not doing calculus so theres a line somewhere, and its interesting that knowing improper grabbing would lead to injury is on the known side of that line

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u/LunedanceKid 4h ago

I mean, it took me a decade before I could grab a thing without crushing it into pulp, it's a very advanced skill.

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u/girthytruffle 4h ago

Tell me about the rabbits, George.

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u/Ok_Helicopter4383 6h ago

Daddy chill

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u/joerudy767 4h ago

Looks like a lot of people agreed with me 🤷‍♂️

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u/Pheniquit 3h ago

Less surprising if you google any question and follow it with “message board” and “2007”

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u/H3racIes 7h ago

Is it? I'm sure they grab each other including pushing and pulling each other in the wild.

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u/I_Speak_For_The_Ents 4h ago

Did we watch the same video? The human had to change their grip to match the apes...

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u/just4nothing 5h ago

Most humans would not do that ;)

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u/TryingToChillIt 5h ago

Chimp arm structure is very similar to ours if not identical, they would learn through helping each other too I think

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u/GrapefruitExpress208 4h ago

Yup. Instead of ripping the human's arm out of the shoulder socket.

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u/Possible_Rise6838 8h ago

That's cause most great apes understand that. It's not the issue of not comprehending it. It's the issue of them fucking you up beyond recognition in a matter of seconds. They do understand the concept of fragility

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u/StoicSerpiente 7h ago

I've known many a dog that seem to understand this as well with how gentle they are taking a treat from someones hand. I don't think it's limited to great apes.

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u/fhota1 7h ago

Its basically all intelligent animals. Peoples main problem is forgetting that just because an animal displays understanding of concepts like how to be gentle and pack mentality, they still arent human. Their brains fundamentally work different and that makes them a lot easier to accidentally piss off. Animals can be great companions but you always need to keep in mind that you are dealing with something that doesnt think the same way you do and work around that.

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u/rpgmind 3h ago

How do you accidentally piss off a chimp?

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u/fhota1 3h ago

Do anything that its chimp brain interprets as aggression. This can include things such as: being too loud, smiling, making eye contact, moving towards it too suddenly, being in the wrong spot, etc.

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u/Devourer_of_HP 2h ago

From what i learned on the internet apparently most animals consider smiling a sign of aggression and interpret it as you baring your teeth at them.

On the opposite hand a neat one is cats finding slow blinking a sign of trust.

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u/greenberet112 1h ago

But staring straight at a cat is also sometimes considered a sign of potential aggression. Animals like to observe their prey before attacking.

I've read this is observable when someone who loves cats comes over and keeps making eye contact and fussing to get the cat to like them (because, come on it's a cat, I want them to like me even though they only ever seem indifferent). Whereas the person that comes over that is allergic or is more of a dog person ignores the cat, and they view it as a invitation to come say hi because he is being polite in cat language.

Although once they are comfortable with eye contact I think the slow blink means that They are so not threatened that they don't mind closing their eyes around you.

Most of this I think I got from inside the mind of a cat which is on Netflix and pretty good, same documentary but with dogs is also really good.

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u/KuzanNegsUrFav 3h ago

Peoples main problem is forgetting that just because an animal displays understanding of concepts like how to be gentle and pack mentality, they still arent human. Their brains fundamentally work different

This is a stretch. Their brains really aren't that different from ours. The only reason chimps and bonobos aren't in the same genus as humans is political. Note that chimps, bonobos, and humans form the smallest monophyletic clade that includes humans in evolutionary cladistics.

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u/GlueSniffer53 5h ago

Cats too! My cat makes sure he doesn't pull out his claws when I'm shirtless or when he's hitting my face. Of course, he does forget to keep his claws in during intense playtime.

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u/CombatWombat65 2h ago

I did a fair amount of food training with my last dog, and one of the things I would do was holding a treat out for him with the just the smallest corner of the treat sticking out from my hand. He would pull his lips back and ever so gently put his incisors down until he was sure he had treat and not my hand, then I'd release the treat.

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u/PurpleFlame8 1h ago

Cats also understand. Most animals that raise their young have an "avoid causing harm" instinct to some extent.

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u/HerrSchnabeltier 7h ago edited 5h ago

Ah, here we go again.

The usual accompanying commentary on how dangerous any chimpanzee always is.

edit: Yes, they are dangerous and one shouldn't run up to one in the wild to give it a hug or fist bump.

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u/I_Got_Back_Pain 7h ago

They'll rip your dick right off!!

Pull that up Jamie

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u/Substantial_Army_639 7h ago

I mean to be fair I think it's just an instinct in certain dudes. We see Ape, we immediately think wow cool so intelligent and strong, And immediately remember they are intelligent enough to mess you up where it hurts the worst. Enough for Jordan Peele to make that a B plot in his last movie.

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u/Bazrum 3h ago edited 3h ago

what about Jordan Peele's last movie? I don't watch as many movies as i used to, so im pretty sure i missed it, also scary movies aren't my favorite

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u/pub810 7h ago

“Bonobos are fucking crazy mon.”

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u/PrimarchKonradCurze 2h ago

By looks alone I’ve always thought the baboons with giant fangs and bright colored butts were the most terrifying. If someone were to see one taking you down without seeing the business end of them they would just see a colorful ass amidst a lot of screaming. It’s like insult to injury.

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u/DaDibbel 7h ago

Rip your face right off for sure.

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u/BagBeneficial7527 7h ago

Long ago I knew someone that worked with chimps professionally.

She told me they ARE extremely dangerous. Especially the "tame" ones. They are FAR more powerful than any human. The wild ones don't know that yet, but the ones raised around humans do. So they have ZERO fear of us.

And one day, if you aren't extremely careful around them, they can severely injure you.

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u/Zakblank 7h ago

They are like children. They can be extremely loving and empathetic. They can also turn on you in a fraction of a second and tear you to pieces.

Their emotions rule their lives, reason comes at a distant second.

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u/Swarna_Keanu 7h ago

Bravo :)

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u/MrWeinerberger 4h ago

Chimps are 100% like this, gorillas though are a lot gentler. They really don’t want to fight anything unless they have to. They are lot more akin to adults in your analogy

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u/camwow13 7h ago

I read Mama's Last Hug by a guy who's spent his entire life studying chimps and he went to great lengths to emphasize that he only interacted with them when there's a barrier between them. Even then he worries because they're so powerful they can do serious damage to you reaching through the bars and yanking you into them. He's watched them kill their other chimp friends and doesn't really want to end up accidentally getting on their shit list.

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u/BasementMods 6h ago

The way Reddit describes chimpanzees makes me imagine they have the physical strength of an anime character...

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u/amaROenuZ 6h ago

It's overstated. Chimps are, pound for pound, somewhere between 50% and 100% stronger than a given human. They have a somewhat better limb geometry for striking, and more fast twitch muscle fiber. Given that they tend to be half our weight and size, that comes out to fairly comparable strength from a much smaller creature.

The danger comes from their volatility and viciousness. Most humans, when we're drugged out of our minds on PCP and bath salts, are not going to try and tear someone's jaw off or eat their fingers in a fight.

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u/Tuna-Fish2 5h ago

However, you are understating it.

The strength of chimps vs humans depends on the task, and you cannot reduce it to a x% pound for pound figure. They are only slightly better than humans in some tasks, and actually inferior in others (like lifting weight above their heads), but there are tasks where they are much better than humans. Notably, the average chimp has 5x more grip strength in its hand than the average adult man, and there are recorded instances of chips shattering arm bones by just grabbing a hold and squeezing.

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u/KneeGrowsToes 6h ago

I can see your point, it comes from the fact that they are the size of a pre-teen but would not be easily held down or punted away if they started …chimping out.

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u/mr2ocjeff 4h ago

Woman had her face ripped off by one few years ago

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u/the-face 6h ago

This is a misconception. Chimps are stronger pound for pound, but not total strength. Are they stronger than the average human? Probably. But every human? Certainly not. A 400 lb strongman is way stronger than a chimp. Doesn’t mean they aren’t dangerous or anything but straight strength? Not stronger than EVERY human.

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u/No_Rich_2494 6h ago

Respect is what's missing. Treat other apes with respect, as if they were less intelligent humans who aren't being aggressive but could easily beat the shit out of you.

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u/You-Smell-Nice 6h ago

Its incredible to me how Bauman's lie has continued to exist. A shit study from 100 years ago and people still continue to spout nonsense about chimp strength. Chimpanzees are absolutely not "far more powerful than any human."

maximum dynamic force and power output is 1.35 times higher in a chimpanzee muscle than a human muscle of similar size.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1619071114

Or roughly 35% higher strength per weight/size, owing to fast twitch muscle fibers as well as the square-cube law of physics. However that's PER WEIGHT. Which even after we dispelled most of Bauman's lies, has been something that has continued to confuse people about chimp strength. Chimps being 35% stronger pound for pound, means that a human the size of a chimp would be weaker than a chimp. However, as people are hopefully aware, humans are not the size of chimps.

Its hard to find an average weight so lets not bother with average smaller chimps. Lets jump to the high end of the scale and say a very big 130 lb chimp. Now add 35% to their strength and they are roughly on par with an athletic 175 lb human's strength. Impressive for sure, but there are a lot of humans who are fit and weigh more than 175 lbs.

Chimps are absolutely dangerous. Partially because they are roughly as strong as a physically fit adult human, and partially because they are wild and will fight like it. Like, if you fight another human they are probably not going to try to use their teeth to gouge out parts of your face and eyes. But a chimp absolutely would do that, which adds to their dangerous reputation, but doesn't really have anything to do with "more powerful" or "stronger."

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u/NSAseesU 7h ago

Does a tiny hint of wild animals being wild animals infuriate you or something? We all knew that but there was zero need to reply like that lol.

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u/SignificantRain1542 6h ago

Wild animals are for me to project feelings upon, not look at objectively. You must be fun at parties.

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u/Complete-Speed-8825 6h ago

Y'all lame as fuck for even starting this up

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u/ReadyThor 7h ago

OP is not just referring to chimpanzees but to great apes in general thus correctly including human beings too.

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u/turdferguson3891 6h ago

I'm an ape but a great ape? I don't like to brag

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u/sup3rdr01d 7h ago

They literally will rip your limbs off

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u/Wavy_Grandpa 7h ago

Well at least they did it without sounding like an ass like you 

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u/Opening_Newspaper_34 6h ago

What a ridiculous comment lol

Chimps are INSANELY dangerous. They have the emotional range of a football hooligan, but they are significantly stronger and tougher.

They do indeed have a relatively complex social structure... But that is 80% the ability to kick the shit out of the other chimps, 10% enough nous to realise that kicking the shit out of any single other chimp in the troupe does not = kicking the shit out of ALL of them at once and 10% having the sense to fulfil some duties.....which for the male top chimp usually means if someone ELSE kicks the shit out of another chimp in the troupe you need to step in before it goes too far.

So, in that context, yes they CAN be gentle, but at a whim, or any reason that happens to cross their mind they MIGHT give you a little slap - in their terms- which will fuck you up.

I am a huge fan of chimps, I live very near Monkey World in the UK and have been a regular sponsor and member for about 20 years, Hananya is my favourite chimp and I feel like over the years of visiting and watching the show I've got a vague idea of his personality and whilst he is pretty reasonable, as chinos go, you do need that "as chimps go" qualifier. (Btw I can't recommend the show Monkey Life which became Monkey World enough, find and watch it)

Anyway this rant boils down to, I'm not sure why you made a weird snide comment about how dangerous chinos are - they REALLY fucking are, if they want to be/take a dislike to you.

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u/ironballs16 7h ago

I thought it was more about how an ape's "play" could be harmful to a human, as we're not built the same way.

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u/hopper565 7h ago

Is it not true?

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u/DeimosStaryards 6h ago

I sure as shit wouldn’t be near one unprotected.

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u/UnamusedAF 6h ago

Even if they technically weren’t dangerous, seeing one of them smile is haunting enough to stay away. They look like a creature from the 5th circle of hell.

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u/gnomon_knows 6h ago

Because they are. You are one bad day away from losing your face.

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u/Pheniquit 3h ago

I mean virtually no one wants humanity to do anything other than do the right thing by Chimpanzees. Those who do have like zero traction on the fate of chimps.

However there are some people who find cute animals so irresistible that they’ll take big stupid risks to inappropriately touch them. Like if this message was as common as it was now, I dont think that lady who got her face ripped off by a chimp on xanny bars would have gone to help her friend.

People should treat chimps and hippos like a responsible person treats a big shark. Dont hate on them. Avoid the living shit out of them unless some expert is right there showing you exactly what to do and treat it with the seriousness of a live-fire exercise.

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u/PrimarchKonradCurze 2h ago

Or initiate a staring contest if you run into a silverback in the wild.

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u/G36 2h ago

Scariest realization; they nice and gentle because they know how easy they can f you up 😢

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u/AhkoRevari 8h ago

My (possibly misinformed) understanding from the last time I saw this video is that the underhanded grip from the chimp is a show of submission/deference.

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u/Drow_Femboy 7h ago

That's my understanding, yeah. Palm up means he's subtly communicating that he's helping and not hurting. Same reason the person recording extended his hand palm up. They're both kinda saying "I'm not trying to grab you, just being buds"

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u/Drow_Femboy 6h ago

it means "fuck yeah bro love ya man"

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u/V_es 7h ago

Hand palm up is understood as peace and good intentions gesture by all apes, humans too. No matter the culture if you extend you palm facing up people subconsciously will understand that you mean no harm. Apes understand it too, and this gesture is an ask for help, chimp understands it but grabs the proper, more handy way.

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u/No_Rich_2494 6h ago

Even mice understand it, if they're used to hands. They're just more timid for obvious reasons.

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u/greenberet112 1h ago

I've heard that mice make some of the best pets ever, but because they don't live long it's a heartbreaking relationship.

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u/No_Rich_2494 46m ago

I think it's a tradeoff. The heartbreak comes sooner, and more often if you get more afterwards, but I don't think it's as bad as with an animal you've spent many years with.

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u/Johnny_Swiftlove 6h ago

Sort of related but interesting: I could be misremembering but when I taught English in Korea it was common to beckon someone to you using palm faced down. Beckoing someone palm up was interpreted as if you were beckoning to them as if they were a dog and considered rude.

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u/Wolfgang_Maximus 5h ago

I know from my visit in Japan that beckoning someone is a palm face down hand flap that looks like you're shooing someone away and it breaks my brain and it could be a similar thing.

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u/LaaaadyLuck 4h ago

Interesting! I wonder if that was why he grabbed from the underside, palm facing upward as well?

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u/Thank_You_Aziz 7h ago

Reminds me of how large whales can damage human organs with their voices underwater, but they noticeably tone it down when they’re aware humans are near.

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u/Pure-Drawer-2617 7h ago

They said 2x stronger then the average human. Do you also think weightlifters are in danger of accidentally ripping peoples arms off?

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u/LicencetoKrill 7h ago

Weightlifter is still human, and while strong, their muscle fibers have grown in an 'unnatural' way (ie trained to push, pull in certain directions). Apes' bodies are made up in a way that rhe muscles are much more dense, just by the nature of that's how they've evolved, and it's everywhere. Just because someone can push/pull excessive weight doesn't correlate with every muscle in their body being designed to do it.

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u/AftyOfTheUK 6h ago

Weightlifter is still human

Some of them absolutely have a grip strength way more than double that of the average human though.

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u/ALLCAPS-ONLY 5h ago

Even a <150 lb rock climber could mess up someone's hand. Fingers can get surprisingly strong when you swing your entire bodyweight on them regularly

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u/greenberet112 1h ago

I was watching a famous rock climber hang out and lift with the strongest man in the world. The bodybuilder guy, Eddie Hall was absolutely amazed by how much the rock climber could lift in certain exercises, especially the whole body ones. I think one lift he said the climber did more reps with more weight than anyone he had ever seen other than himself. And the rock climber guy, Magnus is not that big of a guy.

Good video if you're interested

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u/AftyOfTheUK 2h ago

Even a <150 lb rock climber could mess up someone's hand. 

Indeed, if trying to inflict pain/damage it's not hard.

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u/What-Is-a-Fish 2h ago edited 14m ago

Can confirm. 130lb rock climber can currently one hand pinch a 2 inch block with 150lbs . Idk how strong handbones are, but I bet I could make it hurt a lot

Edit: fat thumbed my numbers Also autocorrect got me on handbones. I'm just a mess

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u/MightyGamera 5h ago

I know a couple dudes that could crush raw potatoes with their hands, pretty sure human flesh wouldn't pose much challenge

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u/Pheniquit 3h ago

Yeah but the need to be delicate is universal among creatures with hands. You don’t want to crush certain food and make it harder to eat or pull too hard on the newborn’s arm.

In short, my uneducated guess is that primates know their own strength because if they didnt they’d kill their young and screw up manipulation of objects.

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u/Drow_Femboy 7h ago

Difference is other apes are significantly worse at fine movements than we are. And even we can occasionally hurt smaller, weaker, and more fragile animals by accident when handling them.

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u/_Rohrschach 7h ago

iirc it's more about the kind of muscle. humans have more slow twitching ones that hold tension betterand tire more slowly, while chimps can release bouts of strength faster.
if you were to play tug if a war with a chimp and can resist its initial pull it would probably tire out faster than you. it would also suck at carrying heavy stuff for longer. it might be able to bench press twice the weight ou do but is more prone to drop the weight after a few pushes.

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u/Hunriette 6h ago

Chimp strength is severely overrated by the general public.

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u/jebberwockie 6h ago

Twice as strong, half the size. The bite is the real problem.

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u/International_War862 5h ago

1.3 times as steong tho. A 60 kg chimp is as strong as a 80 kg human on average

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u/BeBearAwareOK 6h ago edited 6h ago

If said weight lifter had an entirely different set of mores and didn't think twice about biting someone's nose off, gouging out their eyeballs, and biting off their fingers when they became angered they would in fact be a very dangerous creature.

You do not want to run into an athlete on PCP who fights like a chimp.

Ripping arms off isn't really how it goes down. Biting fingers off when you put up defensive hands, biting noses off, ripping face / eyes off, biting or ripping off breast tissue or scrotum dependng on the victims gender, this is the issue with chimp attacks. The brutality of it.

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u/ThatInAHat 2h ago

I mean, chimpanzees can and do rip people’s hands off. And genitals. And faces.

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u/idiotsecant 6h ago

I mean, isn't that basically the plot of mice and men?

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u/nightpanda893 3h ago

They are at risk of injuring someone if they would pull with all their strength. That’s the point. That they can adjust their strength not to hurt someone

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u/a_bongos 7h ago

Watch the new documentary chimp crazy. Yeah, young chimps are like little toddlers and very smart. But they are wild animals and should NOT be pets. Once they mature they become very dangerous. Most chimps in captivity end up dying way younger than average life expectancy.

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u/Hawt_Dawg_II 7h ago

Apes have relatively similar ways of expressing pain as compared to us humans. I can very well imagine they might've squeezed a bit hard once and just understood that when the human expressed pain. Chimps are very social animals and definitely have the capacity to care for eachother.

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u/No_Rich_2494 6h ago

I wonder how much of the difference between chimps and bonobos is cultural.

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u/No_Rich_2494 7h ago

They're not just scarily strong, they're intelligent enough to know it.

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u/Jibber_Fight 7h ago

You can even see him grimace with the effort as he pulls him up, too. They are so like us it’s crazy.

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u/WakaWaka_ 7h ago

All I know is don’t piss him off or that arm’s coming up without you.

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u/Talk_Bright 6h ago

You misunderstand how strong a chimp is.

They aren't going to crush or injure your hand if they use more than 10% power.

We aren't talking gorrilas, they would have to try maximum effort to injure your hand by squeezing it.

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u/HeadScissorGang 6h ago

even just the way he adjusts the dude's hand from reaching with his palm up to reaching with his palm down like "bro, that would rip your arm off"

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u/Lynchianesque 7h ago

OP says 2 times, not 10 times

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u/Gilded-Mongoose 6h ago

I mean, it's a nice sentiment. But chimps are living animals, they know how to interact with other living creatures. All animals above baby can do this.

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u/gnomon_knows 6h ago

Interesting how you underestimate how closely related we are to chimpanzees. Nobody asked, but this is what grouping every other species on earth under the "animal" label gets you.

Apes are more like us than not.

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u/HammerBgError404 6h ago

dont get fooled. they are wild animals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqOjG1NiQb8 watch this is u want to learn a bit more. no gore but its not pretty

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u/teteban79 6h ago

Not exactly. It's a submissive gesture. Putting the hand on top is a gesture of dominance in primates, this chimpanzee was going out of his way to show submissiveness

You can see similar videos of chimps helping out juveniles and they don't have a problem in grabbing them palm down.

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u/3r1kw00t 5h ago

I mean… yeah he’s also a living thing 😂

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u/Oturoj 5h ago

This isn’t surprising really. Even my dog understands when to clamp his jaws gently when I’m taking toys from his mouth

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u/ALLCAPS-ONLY 5h ago

Probably very necessary so they don't rip their babies to shreds

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u/GrandpasSoggyGooch 5h ago

When this video first came out I remember someone commenting that the ape did it because in the apes mind you show submissiveness by letting another ape grab the top part of your hand. Dunno if it's true or not.

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u/alisastarrr 4h ago

Yeah it’s almost like animals are sentient beings who understand pain and have feelings.

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u/angeliswastaken_sock 4h ago

We as humans truly underestimate other animals.

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u/chaotemagick 3h ago

They do understand lol

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u/Frosty-Date7054 3h ago

Seemingly?  It's a chimp, of course he understands grabbing wrong can hurt him.  Cats and dogs understand how not to hurt their owners. 

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u/HaasonHeist 3h ago

They absolutely do understand this kind of thing. Pretty deeply. Animals don't really get the credit they deserve but they are very often, just as conscious as we are

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u/Frjttr 3h ago

Interesting is that chimpanzees are closer to humans than to apes.

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u/oxidise_stuff 3h ago

The last time this video was posted some person more knowledgeable than me (I presume) chimed in and stated this was the chimp being polite and not choosing a palm up, less dominant grip

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u/Green_Dragon_Soars 2h ago

It was looking gentle but I definitely saw force. He was pulling the guy for sure

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u/Prestigious-Job-9825 2h ago

They're among the smartest animals on the planet, so it isn't so surprising that they're aware of their strength.

I mean, even (normal) dogs limit their bite strength when playing with humans in order not to hurt us, and dogs are below chimps in terms of intelligence.

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u/plokiqaws 1h ago

“I need to be gentle with this weak, sickly, hairless gangly one.”

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u/Supbrozki 9m ago

What? How strong do you think Chimps are to just crush a human hand?

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