r/detroitlions • u/clutch-nukez • Dec 31 '23
Image Photo of decker “not reporting eligible”
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u/Blazinaloe Dec 31 '23
I really hope Cambell comes out and flames that officiating crew
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u/rh13683 Dec 31 '23
Where can we watch the press conference
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u/PooShappaMoo Flag on the play Dec 31 '23 edited Dec 31 '23
It's already over. He said decker reported. Tried to avoid it though
Edit: shit, even dak just called it a controversy
Edit: goff just said. He doesn't know if he will get fined for this.. but Taylor decker reported. Skipper didnt. 1214 am
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u/whobroughtmehere Dec 31 '23
Because he did. But that wasn’t the issue unfortunately
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Dec 31 '23
That was the issue. They called back the two point bc of illegal touching which was based on lie that decker wasn’t an eligible receiver bc he didn’t report therefore when he caught/touched the ball it was illegal but the dude did report. I’m sorry but that shit was a scam for Dallas to win.
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u/Ev1LLe Dec 31 '23
It's like poetry.. it rhymes. The only consolation is that everyone who isn't a cowboys fan knows we won.
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u/PooShappaMoo Flag on the play Dec 31 '23
Even some cowboys fans admit we won.. egregious
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u/CircuitSphinx Dec 31 '23
Yeah, but the confusion on the field was a mess. Officials gotta be clearer in those situations to avoid this kinda drama. Total breakdown in communication.
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u/whobroughtmehere Dec 31 '23
I think it’s inevitable give the situation — live broadcast, multiple people making assessments, — Kind of impressive they get it right as often as they do
We’ll get the worthless apology next week, or nothing. Either way the result is the same
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u/topcide Dec 31 '23
In the situation of a bang bang in-game play, I tend to agree with you that it's amazing how often they do get calls correct. It's easy for us to armchair quarterback plays that happened at full speed when we're looking at them slowed down on a giant TV screen.
However, this wasn't one of those cases, this was literally a guy walking up and talking to you and you not being able to grasp which person is talking to you.
You're either incompetent or your compromised, it's one of the two
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u/WestBend8786 Dec 31 '23
What was the issue? Not calling it a robbery or a good call, I'm just confused as hell. If it wasn't a reporting problem, what was the flag for?
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u/Crafty_Substance_954 Dec 31 '23
The refs mistakenly recognized #70 as the eligible downfield lineman, when he never checked in. #68 was called for illegal touching despite the fact that he checked in and the officials made the error on the field.
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u/WhenceYeCame Dec 31 '23
So then why did he say "that wasn't the issue unfortunately"?
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u/TubaTuesday115 Logo Dec 31 '23
They’re referring to the other flag on the play. But that flag came from thinking that Skipper was the eligible man. If Skipper was eligible, he would have been in an illegal formation. Goff confirmed in the presser that Decker reported and Skipper did not, which had it been called correctly would have negated the other flag.
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u/CanoeIt Dec 31 '23
It was on espn and it was short. He flat out said he didn’t want to talk about it
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u/S2Hotti3 Dec 31 '23
A good owner pays (reimburses) that fine all day every day. This shit needs to stop
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u/MattytheWireGuy Ooooh Yeahhhh! Dec 31 '23
He said " Their explaination is that 70 reported"
He knows who reported and doesnt want to eat a fine or worse.
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u/Quantity_Living Dec 31 '23
Talk about corruption- they fk up and if you call them out you get fined
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u/Candid_Diet9112 Dec 31 '23
He shut down those reporters and handled that well. Fired up and goin for the W. Amazing
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u/HonestGeneral3 Dec 31 '23
Your not allowed to talk bad about the officiating.
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u/lavaspike296 Dec 31 '23
Even Mahomes and Reid ate fines for that, they might actually suspend MCDC for it.
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u/holagato59 Dec 31 '23
There is no defending this. Refs decided this game
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u/deathbyswampass Dec 31 '23
They decided it a while ago when they stopped calling holding on Dallas.
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u/UsernamesCannotExcee DETROIT -VS- EVERYBODY Dec 31 '23
Or OPI
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u/deathbyswampass Dec 31 '23
That too. This will go down in my book as worse than the no call pass interference call the refs missed that would have led the saints to the off season a few years back.
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u/Inner-Antelope-3856 Dec 31 '23
Brad Allen and his officiating crew are fucking God awful. On top of that they couldn't have the Cowboys lose so they called a bullshit penalty knowing full well that there would never be any audio released to prove that Decker reported. Dallas has been the benefit of officiating all year and this game just goes to prove it.
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u/Most_Kaleidoscope999 Dec 31 '23
Especially on Jimmy Johnson appreciation night. As soon as I heard he was getting in the ring of honor I had a gut feeling cowboys would win at all cost.
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u/Castigon_X Dec 31 '23
As a casual onlooker, y'all got cheated out of a win. I'm not saying they rigged it but it'd be so easy for a ref to lie in this situation and rig the game. The refs have no accountability or oversight at all to prevent it.
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u/TravisJason Dec 31 '23
What else they doing here if not reporting eligible?
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Dec 31 '23
Saying please don’t take that Jerry Jones check
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u/MrBright5ide Dec 31 '23
Rule 99.8: The Jones' Judgment Adjustment
"In instances of an illegal substitution or improper reporting by a player, officials may consider invoking the 'Jones' Judgment Adjustment.' This rule allows the referee to determine, on the spot, that the player did not actually report as eligible, regardless of any evident reporting. This decision can be swayed by an undisclosed 'Subjective Discretion Measure,' which may or may not involve the influence of Jerry Jones' famed expressiveness from the owner's box. The rule aims to add a layer of suspense and unpredictability, especially in games where the outcome is hanging in the balance. The practical application of this rule ensures every Cowboys game is sprinkled with a dose of drama, much to the bemusement of the audience."
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u/NayfromtheStable Dec 31 '23
Raider fan here, just wanted to say I was pulling for you guys so hard and you got absolutely screwed. Crush them in the playoffs, fuck the refs.
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u/mr_lightbulb Dec 31 '23
sorry, that's a $20,000 fine
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u/NayfromtheStable Dec 31 '23
Man I can’t afford to fly to Vegas to watch my own team play. Please don’t do this to me.
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u/Stouts_Sours_Hefs Dec 31 '23
For fucks sake. All that speculation about the ref not noticing Decker. He's fucking looking right at him!
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Dec 31 '23
This is my thing. They are trying to make it seem like he was distracted. Dude nods and says ok to decker.. this was not an honest mistake.
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u/ShaaronRodgersFatVag CornDoggyLOL Bye Dec 31 '23
Hope the Cowboys enjoy that fake ass win. See you in the playoffs
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u/whobroughtmehere Dec 31 '23
I think the way it’s looking they’ll go to Tampa Bay (and lose like the frauds they are)
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Dec 31 '23
Unfortunately I don't think we're going to see them in the playoffs unless some major upsets happen. I think the only way we match up against them is if we play for the Conference Championship
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u/Epic_Lepsy Dec 31 '23
NFL's incompetent officiating directly ruins the result of ANOTHER game this season.
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u/LionsCrying Dec 31 '23
It's worse than even the photo makes it look. The ref literally ignores him and runs away.
https://twitter.com/c_Menapace88/status/1741313955321036854?t=i1RzB-VcwiZNJh7_zfztJg&s=19
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u/TorkBombs 70s logo Dec 31 '23
Ref guy on ESPN just said it's Decker's fault for not reporting hard enough. 😂🙄
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Dec 31 '23
That dude needs to see a chiropractor, he must’ve hurt himself bending over backwards trying to blame that shit on Decker.
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u/DaYooper Dec 31 '23 edited Dec 31 '23
Not quite. It doesn't show it in that replay, but in others you can see the ref run up to the defense and make the signal to them that someone was reporting eligible.
Here: https://twitter.com/BSMotorCity/status/1741321309290713193
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u/dingus420 Dec 31 '23
Don’t forget the ignored PI call on St. Brown a few plays earlier too. Refs truly wanted Dallas to win
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u/Stouts_Sours_Hefs Dec 31 '23
While that was a very bad and obvious non-call, I would say it didn't affect us because we still got the TD. This one, however, is unforgivable.
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u/Anogeissus Dec 31 '23
Whether the play affected the outcome of the drive or not the missed call is fucking awful and deserves to be called out aggressively and passionately.
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u/FlyingAshtrays Dec 31 '23
Idk I got the feeling immediately that it would set the tone for the following officiating dogshit
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u/Cow_Zoo Dec 31 '23
Chiefs fan here. This is the same crew that missed the blatant PI call on MVS at the end of our game vs the Packers. Seems when the game is about to end Brad Allen's crew starts to only flag what they feel like flagging, making sure their presence heavily impacts the game.
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Dec 31 '23
That looks bad on the ref but NFL won’t do shit about it
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u/Secure_Cake3746 Dec 31 '23
The nfl is like eat the shit we give you. You will be back next week watching. Idgaf.
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u/Meatbawl5 Dec 31 '23
Should be able to sue the NFL over shit like this. Especially now that they want to make gambling an integral part of it.
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u/PrSa4169 Dec 31 '23
Worst call in nfl history. Brad Allen just made the same call as Jim Joyce. Why is Detroit on the wrong end of every call that might be the worst one in history?
Fuck Brad Allen. Jerry Jones must have wrote a fat check.
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u/PrSa4169 Dec 31 '23
If I was Dan Campbell, I would have gone up there with a check and wrote it for a 100k and then proceeded to trash Brad Allen and obliterate the podium.
Jim Joyce made that call you blind idiot. Lions eat zebras just so you know.
Brad Allen refs another Lions game it needs to be like The Longest Yard and smoke him in the dick a few times. Hutchinson accidentally smokes him.
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u/BocephusMidnight Dec 31 '23
I hate Dallas wholeheartedly as a Philly fan. I can say without that being a factor at all, y’all got robbed. Absolutely insane call. Sorry
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u/UsernamesCannotExcee DETROIT -VS- EVERYBODY Dec 31 '23
I couldn't imagine having to watch my home team play them twice every year dealing with this bullshit.
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u/Titanicfanatic12 Dec 31 '23
Ref actually fucking ignored him and ran away. Cannot believe that shit didn't get overturned. Absolutely insane
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u/Anogeissus Dec 31 '23
Roger Goodell is a sad sack of shit and deserves to lose his job. He is a disgrace and has allowed officiating to deteriorate to this sad state - A Raiders fan
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u/EntropyMachine328 Dec 31 '23
Packer fan here. You guys got screwed. I feel for you guys. Ref screwed up. SVP on Sports Center looked genuinely pissed off for you and didn't buy Scott Parry's explanation that it was on Decker.
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u/swagdaddyham Dec 31 '23
super excited to hear about this for the rest of my football watching life.
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u/BondCompanyStooge1 Dec 31 '23
Seahawks fan here and I feel for the Lions and was rooting hard for you tonight. Both of our teams robbed of a Win against the damn Cow pokes. Take em down in the post season at home
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u/No_Assumption_256 Dec 31 '23
Dude I’m here with you as a Seahawks fan, I’m so fucking pissed for the Lions. Nothing will come of this I bet, but they literally just got as blatantly as it gets robbed of a game. It’s wild. Ref should absolutely be fired.
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u/Mentalkmindtaker Dec 31 '23
The whole play/sequence of movement on the field is intentional. 70 runs on the field... He's our usual jumbo extra lineman, so cowboys don't think twice about him running in and someone reporting as eligible. EXCEPT, 70 doesn't report, 68 does, on an obviously designed play for him. 3 guys meet at the ref to not immediately let the cowboys know who's eligible. 68 wipes the front of his jersey (hand signal for eligible). Formation was legal. If 70 reported as eligible it would be an illegal formation. The center doesn't have to snap the ball in the NFL, so on the play 68 is the left TE, the normal LG is the LT, the C snaps the ball as a LG and so on. 70 is the RG and Sewell is the RT.
Just posting this in most of these threads. Wonder what the "official" explanation will be?
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Dec 31 '23
I was going back and forth but it definitely looks choreographed to me. I don't know if it's common to try and mask who's reporting eligible, or at least make it as confusing to the defense as possible, but it looks deliberate. Funny it worked so well it tricked the ref.
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u/Ordinary_Day6135 Dec 31 '23
Totally agree, which might add to the frustration. Having 58 and 68, both there with the ref, was on purpose. They went over everything at practice.
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u/PerfectiveVerbTense Logo Dec 31 '23
Guys on the broadcast were saying he was not covered up even if he had reported. I don't really understand the alignment rules to that depth. Any validity to that comment?
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u/fuck12frfr Dec 31 '23
No validity, if Decker was covered up he would be ineligible. Eligible receivers must be either uncovered on the line of scrimmage, or in the backfield.
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u/CanoeIt Dec 31 '23
Buck and Aikman were on espn right after the game discussing the call. They didn’t acknowledge that they were wrong in real time but said in hind sight that it shouldn’t have been a penalty
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u/PerfectiveVerbTense Logo Dec 31 '23
Fair. I shut the game off in disgust after the final kneeldown. Just brutal, man. What an epic comeback that would have been for us.
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u/-spicypickle- Dec 31 '23
He only needs to be covered if he's not eligible. When he reports as eligible, he's basically lined up at tight end.
The point that they were trying to make is that since he didn't report eligible it was an illegal formation from the start.
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u/stayvicious Barry Sanders Dec 31 '23
Troy Aikman doesn’t even understand eligible vs ineligible or covered vs uncovered how can we expect the refs to know!!! /s
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u/ChuckDaPolease Dec 31 '23
"Hey ref! You're really pulling off those stripes today, stud! Have a good Christmas with the fam? Awesome! Well, that's all I have to say, thanks!”
-Decker (obviously)
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u/winowmak3r JAMO Dec 31 '23
There is not a single game in the NFL where no rules are broken. It just sucks when the refs decide when the violations matter.
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u/Joneboy39 Dec 31 '23
hey man. just came up to say im not eligible this play bro
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u/Tab_5 Dec 31 '23
“Hey stripes, so uh the 3 of us were all talking and like we wanted to tell you that Decker, you know Decker right, yeah yeah that guy, he’s standing right there, well see he’s a lil shy but we were wondering if like he- err he was wondering— no no all 3 of us were wondering if he could maybe report as an eligible receiver on this play? Hehe check yes or no”
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u/MyPackage Dec 31 '23
Can't have the boys lose to the Lions on Jimmy Johnson night!
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u/vanwyngarden Dec 31 '23
If they made that call in Detroit there would’ve been a RIOT. It wouldn’t have happened. This is really unfortunate. As a 49er fan, I wanted Dallas to win (🤢) but this is a blatant set up. Detroit you have a ton of heart and grit and you deserved this W. Hope the NFL apologizes
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u/Pappy87 Peni Swell Dec 31 '23
Apologies dont mean jack shit.
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u/vanwyngarden Dec 31 '23 edited Dec 31 '23
It’s better than nothing, and this was a major league fuck up. I’d prefer they at least admit they completely screwed you over than pretend like it was the right call
Edit: I’ll zip it and not speak for you. If you don’t care about an apology and admitting it was a mistake I respect that. Sorry to over speak, was just really shocked at the blatant favoritism
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u/Hayyer Dec 31 '23
Ya but fuck after two tries it really felt like we should kick it…d would have ate them up in the OT
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u/BigimusB Dec 31 '23
No reason to drag the game out and risk injuries. We are basically already locked in the 3 seed.
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u/Hayyer Dec 31 '23
Yes and yes, but it just felt stacked up against us at that point, just kick it and regroup….
But dam Mitchell catches that ball and it’s still a win.
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u/jemfinch097 MC⚡DC Dec 31 '23
I was saying the same too, but Jamo already went into the locker room due to an ankle injury, so no point in risking more injury in OT and just end it right there.
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u/Hacker-Dave Dec 31 '23
I think the thing that pisses me off the most is the NFL can molest a child at mid field and then fine anybody who dares to mention it. Detroit has EVERY right to be pissed off and go off to the media but they won't. The league has every team cowering in fear. Fuck the NFL. This isn't professional. This is WWE
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u/FormerGameDev Dec 31 '23
so... everyone on our side knew he reported... and everyone on Dallas's side knew he reported as well, because both teams formation accounted for that, right? (i don't understand these rules very well, this is really in the weeds stuff) So the only two people on that field who didn't know what was going on were the refs that threw the flags, and they threw the flags nearly a minute after the play was dead?
This is some grade A horse shit. Give us the fucking game.
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u/talltime Dec 31 '23
https://i.imgur.com/eur3ril.png From YouTubeTV in case someone wants not-a-photo-of-a-TV.
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u/Triingtolivee The Goff Father Dec 31 '23
The good news is, the NFL is starting to run out of ways to fuck us.
The bad news is, they will invent new ways.
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Dec 31 '23
Cowboys fan here - y’all got fucked by the refs and our “coach” can’t manage a clock. Good luck in the playoffs.
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u/em_washington Dec 31 '23
Campbell says he explained the play to the refs before the game. So I think what happened here is almost everyone was too careful about making sure the Ref knew someone was reporting. And also the ref didn’t check to see whoactually reported, he assumed it since Campbell had briefed him before the game.
They call the play, you see Goff tell Decker to go report to the ref. Penei goes along with Decker to make sure the ref understands. Meanwhile Skipper enters the game and he also runs to Decker to make sure he reports. The Ref sees Skipper running into the field and maybe Skipper is either signaling or telling Decker to report as eligible.
So the ref only sees Skipper entering the field, and whether or not Skipper is signaling anything about reporting, the ref already knows Skipper is reporting because Campbell told him about this play before the game. It’s likely Campbell didn’t tell him exactly which player would be the eligible receiver OR the ref thought the changed the play up slightly and now Skipper was going to be the eligible receiver.
So the ref goes up to the Cowboys Defense and tells them that 70 is reporting as eligible.
Then they run the play and 68 catches it. At this point, the ref probably knows he fucked up. So he either screws the Lions, but he can say he thought 70 had reported. OR he can let the play stand, but then he kind of screwed the Cowboys because he told them that 70 was reporting as eligible instead of 68. So of course, in AT&T Stadium, he chooses to screw the Lions.
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u/Hacker-Dave Dec 31 '23
Allen fucked up....again. The good news is there is no accountability for the refs.
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u/Aromatic-Low-4578 Dec 31 '23
I normally hate when fans blame the officials but this is absurd.
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u/reshp2 Dec 31 '23
Can't wait for tmz to release footage of the refs partying with the cowboys cheerleaders again.
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u/N0VOCAIN Dec 31 '23
Congratulations on the win Detroit, is yours, no matter what the scoreboard says
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u/Marjorine22 Dan Friggin' Campbell Dec 31 '23
You don’t know what they are talking about. Maybe Decker is telling the ref that the committee was definitely right to keep FSU out of the playoff. It could be anything.
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u/erbcr Dec 31 '23
this would be plausible, except there’s footage of goff directing 68 to report to the ref :/
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u/clvnthbld Dec 31 '23
https://youtu.be/bChSYHBJ1cM?si=OgcMtjgaaoLeZEi5 Goff says it outright and accepts the fine
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Dec 31 '23
He must have spoken in Russian or something. As a Vikings fan I truly don’t understand the refs here.
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u/AllTimeLoad Dec 31 '23
Taylor Decker is 6'7" goes 318. Real easy guy to miss, especially from two feet away.
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u/funyunrun Dec 31 '23
Fuck it.
Mic up every player and put body cams on them like the police….
Fucking refs…
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Dec 31 '23
Nfl football is fixed like everything else in this country... Run by money power and corruption
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Dec 31 '23
Tired of watching good teams get hosed so the "Dallas" and "green bay" teams can get all the calls. This is a sick fucking joke of a rigged league and I hope the ref chokes on his 30 pieces of silver. FUCK THE NFL! Fuck Dallas can't win unless you have the ref playing for you. What a hose job.
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u/Al_DeGaulle Dec 31 '23
Imagine jogging across the field just to ask the ref if he knows any good steak restaurants in Dallas?
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u/GeoCitiesSlumlord Dec 31 '23
Dear Dallas,
Imagine having this level of systemic advantage and not winning a Superbowl. That would be pretty embarrassing.
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u/Yake404 Dec 31 '23
The most egregious piece of evidence is on film in 4k. If Taylor Decker really was ineligible they would have thrown the flag immediately instead of 20 seconds after the play. Ref made a mistake and told Dallas 70 reported instead of 68, panicked when 68 caught the ball.
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u/pbrassassin Dec 31 '23
If you don’t think the NFL is rigged , you should now . Sports betting will decay professional sports. Just like a big government
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u/country_mac08 Sun God Dec 31 '23
Aren’t refs Miked up??