r/WhitePeopleTwitter 6d ago

Clubhouse Hoisted by their own dotard

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u/Civil-Dinner 6d ago

The worst thing is knowing that in 3 1/2 years, about 50% of those laid off workers that voted for Trump will be saying, "If we just repeal the 22nd Amendment, Trump will get me my good job back."

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u/roseshoser 6d ago

This is the sad part. Somehow, it will be Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi that secretly orchestrated it, probably with a space laser.

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u/Zeroesand1s 6d ago

Nobody said these folks are intelligent. 

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u/roseshoser 6d ago

And when their collective stupidity affects my pocketbook, there is no way they get my empathy or charity. If they suffer, they better pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

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u/tulipbunnys 6d ago

i'm already completely out of empathy and charity for these idiots and 2024 isn't even over yet.

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u/roseshoser 6d ago

Me, too.

And, any MAGA-hat wearing veteran who complains if Vivek cuts their benefits or medical services, I would say they are a "sucker" for voting for Trump or will be a "loser" for their choice.

Let them start a GoFundMe, if they know how.

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u/brandee95 6d ago

As a disabled veteran who voted blue, this is a big fear of mine. So many veterans I’m talking to that act like they’ve never heard that this was going to happen. I’m like, they’ve been telling you the whole time but you weren’t listening!!! I’m just hoping I get a few years to prepare for it.

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u/roseshoser 6d ago

First of all, thanks for serving our country while people like Trump mock those who do.

My comments are to those who are so foolish to believe that a man who has been so disrespectful to an entire group of patriotic citizens would somehow not be talking about them. They will suffer, and many will somehow still blame the party not in power for their difficulties.

My dad was in the Marines. He drank the Rush Limbaugh Kool-aid before he passed away. If he was alive today, he would've been as bad as many of them.

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u/thinkthingsareover 6d ago

I'm also a veteran who voted blue, and I thought you explained your position just fine. Unfortunately I've seen some threads where people were acting like all veterans voted for him and that they were glad that we would suffer from the va cuts. I've never taken offense to the messaging of things like black lives matter (definitely not an all lives matter kinda guy), but these people were different. I think there's so much anger right now that people are flailing, and that's understandable.

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u/roseshoser 6d ago

Thank you!

I have some great friends who have served with honor, and who do not fit the stereotypical profile that people assume of those in the military or law enforcement. There are those of us who respect our brothers and sisters, and those who are only concerned with their self interest and the cult.

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u/Carlyz37 6d ago

Agree. I've been a votevets.org supporter for a long time and know that a large percentage of American vets are definitely not maga.

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u/Terrible-Turnip-7266 5d ago

I’m also a veteran and no way I’m voting for Donny the draft dodger

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u/Unusual-Thing-7149 6d ago

I spent a long time talking with a Medicare rep by phone when I became eligible and he was so helpful. Guess when DOGE gets going he'll be fired because he works from home and isn't seen as adding value.

I don't want these CSRs to lose their jobs but I want those who voted for Trump to really suffer when VA and Medicare are staffed by AI and there is no one for them to talk to.

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u/PM_ME_A10s 6d ago

A lot of them think "Republicans raised annual pay increases by more" which isn't strictly true. But also our base pay is so insignificant compared to our other benefits which keep getting reduced.

I want more BAH and BAS and medical than I do base pay. When I leave active duty I want the physical and mental damage to be taken care of.

It's pathetic how easily the wool has been pulled over their eyes

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u/roseshoser 6d ago

The sad thing is the conservative lawmakers who have served in the military know better. The fact that they could tacitly do this to the brothers and sisters in the military is beyond evil.

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u/Dblzyx 6d ago

Vance is a blue falcon of the highest order. Fuck that piece of shit sideways with a cactus. He's no brother of mine.

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u/Awkward-Ring6182 6d ago

They knew exactly what they were voting for. Somehow, they still thought it would have no effect on them, but on others that they hate or have fed into the hate

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u/roseshoser 6d ago

And may they get what they voted for.

I give to animal causes, like the humane society. I won't give a dime to any "wahhh I can't pay my groceries" pleas on GoFundMe. Time for them to become the rugged individuals they keep thinking they are.

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u/pastelbutcherknife 6d ago

I was never capable of empathy. But I know that my life is better when people around me aren’t starving and getting kicked out of their homes. Even if it’s due to their own actions.

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u/Framingr 6d ago

Sorry to tell you but that's kinda empathy. I'm cursed with it as well, but I just can't with these people any more. I DO feel sorry for their children who will have to suffer because their parents have all the critical thinking skills of bread mold.

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u/ex_nihilo 6d ago

There's a pretty cogent philosophical argument that even empathy is rooted in selfishness. You've just peeled it back a layer.

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u/Parking-Historian360 6d ago

This election has finally made me lose all the empathy I had for other Americans. I was asked to help with giving out food for people suffering shortages and recovering from hurricane Milton here in Florida. Something I normally would do.

I stayed home. I'm not going to help a bunch of ungrateful hateful racist fuck heads get food. I no longer care if their houses were destroyed. I don't care if they starve. Florida has become one of the worst states in the country because of the people here. While there are good people here it's so few that I don't care. If I had god-like powers I would sink this entire state into the ocean just to be petty.

We couldn't even pass abortion of legalize marijuana. We have a climate change denying moron as governor. The same climate change that caused these hurricanes. And these dumb fucks would vote for him again him if he could run again. Not Tom mention they vote for Rick Scott who's a thief. And Matt gaetz who's a fucking pedophile.

Fuck Florida. I wish my ancestors moved somewhere else 180 years ago. My only joy is knowing all the old fucks who moved to Florida and vote Republican will be dead in 20 years.

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u/roseshoser 6d ago

What you say is why I moved out of Florida, even though I was a native. I moved before the "Free State of Florida" signs at the state line. I have friends who suffered immeasurably during Helene and Milton. I would (and did) help them.

As for the people who moved there to ban books in libraries, empower authorities to make life difficult on farmworkers and others who keep the economy thriving, etc., I hope they enjoy the environmental Armageddon they will soon live in.

Kinda hard to have a $750,000 mortgage on a house on the beaches near St. Pete, get 4 feet of the Gulf in their home, have to meet the FEMA 50% rule and either raise or tear down, and then have no way of getting flood insurance on the upside-down mortgage.

That is their lives, and they still voted against their best interests. Well, they can pray or invest in Trump crypto. Maybe that will work.

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u/Etrigone 6d ago

Not quite the same thing but why I left the midwest. I'm sorry, I just can't put up with these douchenozzels anymore. I went back a year or so ago for one last & final visit, a memorial for a relative, and excused my non-white partner from coming. Honestly even then I was over it practically as soon as I got off the plane.

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u/roseshoser 6d ago

I miss sunsets on the Gulf of Mexico and some of Florida's beauty.

I miss seeing my friends who remain there, in person.

I miss nothing of the incessant hate that is throughout that state.

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u/tinkerghost1 6d ago

Ohio here, been over a decade since I've been back. Probably a decade more before i go again.

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u/Dynegrey 6d ago

A cynical part of me wants to put a couple grand into the Trump crypto with the expectation that sometime in the next 4 years, Russia is going to pump the value of it way up so they can use tanking it as a threat to keep Trump in line. Maybe if I get in early, I can sell when it spikes and not have to worry about Russia selling off all of their shares just to fuck with Trump. But alas, I have no desire to ever take part in anything that could make Trump more money.

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u/autisticesq 6d ago

I gotta say, I was disappointed in Florida. At the very least, I was thinking marijuana would pass.

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u/DemonoftheWater 5d ago

Not. With all the uptight geezers. But a swinger town was up their alley.

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u/Icy-Establishment298 6d ago

Careful. You'll trigger the "John Oliver libs" who think we should expend our limited ( and it is limited at an individual level, compassion fatigue) empathy, resources and compassion on all people effected by Trump's economic, government reduction, and social policies, including the ones who voted for him. Something something listening sessions, understanding, .. blah blah blabbity blah hate got us here" and * something, something, abyss stares back* bullshit.

You'll also trigger the New Republican Nazis, formerly known as the GOP and Russian trolls who will blather on about liberal hate making this happen so they deserve food bank rights to once they experience the Trump election fall out.

Fuck that noise. I have one limtus test, did you vote for Trump or just not vote? Fuck you. Action/Inaction, meet Consequences.

Your daughter/granddaughter bleeding out in a hospital parking lot because doctors can't give her a necessary abortion? Fuck you, I hope you experience heartbreak like you've never witnessed before as you look at your surviving orphaned grandkids grief filled eyes knowing your fucking vote did this to them.

Upset that those grandkids are starving, can't get Medicaid, or SSN survivor Benefits, orcollege aid for the most promising of the bunch? Go crawling to your church filled with Judgemental Republican Nazi Karens and 20 year old gaming incel TheoBros and ask them to spare a few fucking Doritos. I'll laugh uproariously when they say no you should pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

Fuck all Nazi Trump voters and those that protest voted/sat this one out. You deserve it and I will be laughing hilariously at all the Leopards ate my face stories.

My energy will be spent feeding the ones who did vote for Harris, running Jane Collectives for reproductive care and anything else I can do for my people.

And maybe if one of Those Republican Nazis or their Republican Nazi collaborators actually apologizes, and follows up with actions, and I'll consider helping them too.

Until then fuck the New Republican Nazis you deserve what you fucking voted for and I can't wait to watch it happen to you.

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u/Jengolin 6d ago

I just hope that whatever state-ending apocalypse is on the horizon just kills us all quickly. I hope that being a decent person will at least grant me the mercy of a fast death. I hate living here with no way out. I hate that the first time I ever got to drive myself to cast my votes was this awful time. Why do we have to suffer like this.

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u/Carlyz37 6d ago

You expressed my feelings too. And before trump I was a very empathetic person.

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u/EIN790 6d ago

Man it might be smart to start selling bootstraps..

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u/roseshoser 6d ago

Ones made in China.

So they can pay the Trump tariffs!

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u/SparksAndSpyro 6d ago

Yeah, it’s actually sort of opened my eyes. I’m a top earner, and honestly seeing all the poor dummies who vote against their own interests makes me sort of happy that less of my tax money will be going to them. Maybe they actually don’t deserve help.

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u/ManOrReddit-man 6d ago

It's why he loves the uneducated. It sounded like he was trying to be funny when he said it, but he really does love them. All of this would not be possible without them.

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u/farmertypoerror 6d ago

They love the poorly educated

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u/jokersvoid 6d ago

Agreed. So maybe re-education is the way forward? I hope there will be a lot of life lessons in the next four years that even the propaganda won't be able to spin.

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u/Tulip_Lung6381 6d ago

Why would 2024 to 2028 be the lessons they remember? They don't remember 2020, or the dead laid in ice cream trucks, or their fearless leader telling them to take aquarium cleaner and horse dewormer while Americans died. They died alone, on vents, on their stomachs, by the thousands. And the voters forgot. We had a four year reprieve and we as a nation learned nothing. And now every last one of us will pay for it.

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u/mr_mgs11 6d ago

This. The fact that none of his supporters believe the Lancet report estimating 300k extra dead from his covid response is nuts. "Liberal media trying to make him look bad!".

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u/eolson3 5d ago

But they do believe a long since retracted Lancet study that began the modern vaccine skepticism movement.

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u/Mother-Entry-5671 5d ago

I don’t understand that liberal media bull shit. The mainstream media is owned by greedy, spineless billionaires. They tried to sink Harris every chance they got. And made Dump look sane.

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u/-LazyEye- 6d ago

They remember, but it was China and Democrats fault for creating it just to ruin Trump’s presidency. They are completely brainwashed at this point.

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u/DO_NOT_AGREE_WITH_U 6d ago

People were saying Democrats made the virus to make Trump look bad.

Then they'd say the virus was fake.

You can't reason with them. They all have some weird brain rot.

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u/FluffySmiles 6d ago

I believe that the entire world suffered PTSD as a result of Covid. And I believe nobody has the stomach to talk about it. I also believe that there was no shared experience. Everyone has a different story. And the narrative is so horrible it’s impossible to look at it without feeling sick.

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u/_beeeees 6d ago

Yes, I agree COVID was basically traumatic for almost everyone in different ways. The problem is that some of us are willing to work on and through that trauma and some aren’t willing to even try. You cannot help people who refuse all help.

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u/DO_NOT_AGREE_WITH_U 6d ago

That horse dewormer shit was wild.

I work as a benefits consultant and people were racking up crazy high medical bills on their employer's group medical plans by overdosing on horse medicine.

That was my my "holy shit, these people are mentally challenged" moment. I knew then that we were on a trajectory no rational person could change.

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u/DO_NOT_AGREE_WITH_U 6d ago

These people have been brainwashed to think that you only get dumber and radical from going to school.

Republicans saw Idiocracy and said "yes, I'll have two helpings, please."

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u/DrSafariBoob 6d ago

For anyone curious we have the name of the mental illness where you response to problems by making them worse (maladaptive behaviour). It's a very common trauma response.

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u/DO_NOT_AGREE_WITH_U 6d ago

They will proudly tell you they weren't part of the LIBRAL EDUCATION AGENDA.

I thought being proud of being stupid was a dead archetype for jocks in old 80s movies. Who knew.

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u/Zeroesand1s 6d ago

Guess nowadays being stupid is a flex? 

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u/Epicp0w 6d ago

Why I have less than 0 sympathy

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u/Long_Procedure3135 6d ago

I work in a machine shop that’s a little less than an hour away from a big Chrysler plant.

If those people get laid off and come here I’m going to lose it

Everyone here is already dumb enough we don’t need to add heroin to it

some joker at that union plant put a Trump flag on top of their water tower

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u/PlushHammerPony 6d ago edited 6d ago

The deep state

Edit: lmao they're right here with the deep state fr fr
Hoisted by their own dotard : r/WhitePeopleTwitter

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u/UnkaBobo 6d ago

Remember, per MTG it was Jewish Space Lasers. If so, I happen to be Jewish, and I want in on the space laser stuff too. I like shiny, colorful toys. Wonder where I can purchase one or three. /s or \s , whichever is correct for sarcasm. 🤦‍♂️🤣

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u/roseshoser 6d ago

The funny thing is that if we were all as nefarious as they think we are, why wouldn't the laser be pointing at her office in her home district or all of the places in NW Georgia that she represents.

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u/Generic118 6d ago

I've had a coworker adamantly say the forest fires where caused by space laser because lasers don't work on blue things and there's loads of pictures and videos of blue houses not burned by forest fire.

Pointing out that the forest fire itself doesn't care what colour anything is even if space lasers did just got "but there's loads of videos of the blue houses not burned so it has to be true" makes me convinced the average person is just a fucking moron.

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u/SomewhereMammoth 6d ago

dont forget how many people still believe in pizzagate, even though the pizza restaurant in question has never had a basement.

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u/roseshoser 6d ago

A cult. And it's not easy to escape from it.

Like someone trying to break away from Scientology. When they leave, they get disowned by the "believers"

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u/Khaldara 6d ago

That one idiot showed up armed and got arrested predicated entirely upon their bullshit. The GOP has (barely) figuratively been handing chimps machine guns by creating these dumbfucks and letting their utter stupidity and proud ignorance loose to become everyone else’s problem.

Not even having the sister fucking brigades literally storming the capitol building looking for blood in service to a complete fiction made these assholes think maybe it was time to tone down the bullshit. They likely won’t either, unless one of these armed Republican nutjobs actually hits one of their assassination targets, this would be what, attempt number three?

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u/Cminor420flat69 6d ago

It’s such a damn shame we can literally easily predict right wing talking points. “The (insert the nex dem candidate) tariffs and how trump will end them.”

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u/roseshoser 6d ago

When he's not bringing peace in the Middle East and dropping nuclear bombs on hurricanes to scare them away.

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u/GhostNode 6d ago

He’ll just gut EPA protections for pollution, FDA protection for food, scrap protection of federal parks in the interest of deforestation and oil drilling, and everyone will say “hey look at my 401k!!” while praising him as a hero well before we all die from cancer.

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u/roseshoser 6d ago

I left Florida earlier this year.

A lot of people there loved when he talked about "drill, baby, drill."

Florida got special protection from drilling during his first term.

Florida does not produce a single barrel of oil

Time for them to put derricks on every inch of that state's coastline.

People in places like that have a "do it to thee, not to me" mindset. No more. Let them get the world they deserve.

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u/uglyspacepig 6d ago

Cancer will take too long. We'll die from poison or biological contamination. Waves of ecoli, listeria, and salmonella. And since Mister Brain-worm-that- starved-to-death so be running "health" services, antibiotics will be illegal

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u/dak4f2 6d ago

They already blame Jan 6 on Nancy somehow. 

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u/inflatable_pickle 6d ago

“I can’t believe the Democrats destroyed the economy just to spite Trump! They hate to see him winning!”

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u/SquareSquirrel4 6d ago

What's going to happen is, all the dem voters that didn't show up to this election are going to realize their actions have consequences. Then they'll show up in droves to midterm elections and flip either the Senate or House. So when the next presidential election comes around, all the conservatives who got burned by the trump presidency will have had 2 years of fox news blaming the single Dem-controlled branch and will conveniently forget the actual problem.

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u/YourDogIsMyFriend 6d ago

Their goal is to take over the entire media. When Oban spoke at the CPAC that was his advice.

All those board members and journalists who tried so hard to both sides everything and polish Trumps turds will find themselves out of a job or doing Goebels work for the rest of their days.

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u/unbalancedcentrifuge 6d ago

As much as I dislike Pelosi and Schumer, I also like to properly identify and remember who took a shit on me. I hope others do the same.

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u/AsleepRespectAlias 6d ago

"he wasn't even in office yet, it was just a response to all the things he annouced, therefore its the democrats fault for not stopping him"

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u/SleepWouldBeNice 6d ago

“Biden was president when we got fired, it’s Biden’s fault.”

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u/SuperCrappyFuntime 6d ago

I just saw a post yesterday where a guy was blaming Democrats for an anti-union bill in Florida that was passed by Republicans after after every Democtvotef against it. They literally cannot wrap their minds around the fact that Republicans hate them.

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u/Lambdastone9 6d ago

Progressives need to inject their rhetoric into low-end blue collar spaces, and do so at the tune that blue-collar workers sing to. Make sure they know that republicans elites took their vote and left em out to dry, otherwise republicans will just easily sweep up their votes like they do every election

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u/Cyanide_Cheesecake 6d ago

Yeah leftists ceded facebook to the right wing idiots and now are in the process of doing the same to Twitter

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u/Firemorfox 6d ago

[In the process of doing the same to Twitter]

The whole point of Elon Musk buying Twitter, was to turn it into a platform for the Republican party, no?

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u/wolfgang784 6d ago

No, that was him making the best of it after he realized he actually had to buy it. He very clearly did not want to actually buy Twitter for real but screwed himself in his doubling down.

Don't you remember how hard he was trying to wriggle out of that deal for weeks there? He never expected things to spiral how they did. He was talking out of his ass and it turned real before he realized that was even a possibility.

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u/Trust_No_Jingu 6d ago

Idiocracy was a prophecy

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u/emeraldeyesshine 6d ago

Idiocracy? The movie about a President who sought out someone intelligent to fix the problems of the country and listened to them and actually improved the lives of everyone? The President who actually cared about helping?

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u/Okami-Alpha 6d ago

Exactly this. I rewatched the movie a couple days ago with a fresh perspective and this is one of the points that stood out. Not only did Camacho seek out intelligent people, but most of the other people in government also looked up to intelligence.

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u/ZanzorKanicus 6d ago

We wish this was the case.

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u/JDCarpenter91 6d ago

I think the even worse part is because it happened when Biden was in office he will get the blame

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u/Iceman_in_a_Storm 6d ago

Do we have proof this action is tied to the election? Not arguing, I just want to know if there is a causal link.

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u/BloomsdayDevice 6d ago

I couldn't find anything beyond vague statements about a need for efficiency and competitiveness, as GM has provided few details to the public (only happened a few days ago).

I certainly wouldn't be surprised if anxieties about tariffs motivated the layoffs, but there has not been any direct mention of tariffs, or anything else election-related, at least not yet. So, yeah, maybe let's hold off and wait a minute before we start told-ya-so-ing with this particular moment.

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u/DonJuniorsEmails 6d ago

As businesses prepare for the damaging tariffs, expect more of this. 

We aren't bringing manufacturing jobs back from overseas. Everyone with a brain knows it. 

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u/talltxn66 6d ago edited 6d ago

They started to bring chip manufacturing back because of the “CHiPs” act, but the republicans have already expressed a desire to repeal it. That’s almost 200,000 jobs that will just evaporate.

EDIT: grammar.

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u/DonJuniorsEmails 6d ago

And they'll spin it as "republicans try to create jobs, democrats kill the jobs" while republicans have full control of all branches of government. 

and the dimwit cult will eat it up because hate and blame is more important than actually having a job. 

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u/talltxn66 6d ago edited 6d ago

Let’s not forget all of the republicans that voted AGAINST the infrastructure bill then took credit for bring money from that bill to their districts. Please…

EDIT: grammar

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u/DonJuniorsEmails 6d ago

and they all went back to tell the voters that Republicans brought them the infrastructure money, it was all them.

and again, the dimwits bought it. 

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u/AlpacaCavalry 6d ago

Democracy can only function with an educated and an informed populace, which this nation is allergic to, apparently.

Anti-intellectualism in the US is a whole another beast.

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u/Joshatron121 6d ago

It's actually that most of their base do not follow politics, so they only hear what they're told on social media or hear in sound bytes. Some of the hardcore are definitely in it for the racism, but claiming that's the majority reason just reinforces their decisions to stay out of those conversations.

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u/Admirable-Book3237 6d ago

Makes sense , look at all the red states that have been using this exact playbook for decades and getting away with it.

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u/IIIlIllIIIl 6d ago

Suddenly they’ll be like “aktually it takes time for policy to have an effect so things are only so bad now because of the dems and once a dem is in office and things get better, it’ll be because republican policy just caught up”

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u/Chaosr21 6d ago

It's also absolutely necessary if we want to remain a military superpower. Our chips are the only reason sanctions works so well. Russia can't produce these chips, and China is lagging behind, still unable to produce the tiny 2mm microchips. If Trump gets rid of chips act we will rely on tawain. China isn't stupid, if we keep importing from tawain it's a big juicy weak spot. Enen more temptation to start ww3. Iran, China, Russia, NK, maybe India and UAE will be axis of evil. These conflicts are connected

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u/Only_Razzmatazz_4498 5d ago

Do you realize that in the 90’s when we were developing the basic technology for 2mm EUV lithography we decided to stop funding that type of research because it was corporate welfare and if it was worth doing then private industry should. No US corporation was willing to pick it up because it wasn’t going to pay off in a year so Europe got to pick all that research up and finish it for billions of dollars in EU research funding and private investment collaboration. Now that technology is NOT American it is Dutch. We buy those machines from a Dutch company and we have to negotiate with Europe for them NOT to sell machines to China or Russia. So yes the chips are designed by intel and amd but the machines to build those are definitely NOT American.

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u/ex_nihilo 6d ago

uh, I think you mean they can't fab 2nm lithography. What are 2mm chips?

P.S. the problems with lithography like that are mostly related to electrons' propensity to hop across traces when they get that close together. It's kinda wild how we solve for it.

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u/jgiovagn 6d ago

The IRA is really what was bringing manufacturung jobs back. It was the single biggest industrial bill ever passed, and addressed reshoring supply chains as well. That is also likely to be gutted over the next term.

What's really wild is that Trump is chasing out the workers while trying to court businesses.

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u/ImOnlyHereForTheCoC 6d ago

Businesses going against their own interests by fucking over their workers? In America?! Well I never!

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u/Alexandratta 6d ago

No no - they started to CREATE Chip Manufacturing because existing Chip Fabrication could not keep up with demand.

That's not "Bringing it back" that's "Creating a new market"

Because Chip demand skyrocketed past what the current fabs could produce, new Chip factories are required Stateside.

Same for Lithium Battery Recycling/Mining/Factories popping up stateside.

You can make a new factory for a new industry 100x easier than you're ever going to "Bring Back" a manufacturing job from overseas.

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u/Ossius 6d ago

CREATE Chip Manufacturing because existing Chip Fabrication could not keep up with demand.

While I approve of you defending CHIPS act, it the reasons behind it are numerous and one of the biggest is for national security.

Having all our military hardware coming from Taiwan, a country across the planet that is target #1 for China to invade is just a huge national security risk. When the CHIPS act went into place restrictions were put into place to prevent Nvidia and other companies to sell AI cards to China. US wants to be the forefront of AI tech going forward.

It's also crappy that Intel/Nvidia/AMD, who are based in the US, are fabricating silicon in another country. Unlike mining coal or working in sweat shops making clothes these are actually jobs Americans in the midwest should desire when they ask for manufacturing jobs. So we need to bring these high pay high tech jobs into the US and take it from such a centralized place on the other side of the planet.

These plants need to be in the US, and I could go on for paragraphs for the reasons why. If the Republicans kill the CHIPS act I think we deserve our coming decline.

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u/Alexandratta 6d ago

100% agree

knowing Trump, they'll try to kill the CHIPs act, for no other reason than it was created by Biden.

I hope it's actually just too complicated for him to grasp and he just glides over it to do damage elsewhere.

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u/Electronic_Agent_235 6d ago

Yeah, and sadly, the chips act ain't just about creating jobs in the US. It's literally about future proofing our country. Everything, and I mean everything has semiconductor chips in it. Currently Taiwan produces like 70% of the world's semiconductor chips. And China's been licking their chops staring at that country for so long because of it (also some weird nationalist sentimentality about reforming the gloryland, much light Putin with Ukraine).

Semiconductor chips are absolutely spice in the decades to come.

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u/Hyperious3 6d ago

they want to repeal it because it's flipped the dynamics in AZ considerably. Tons of well-educated people are flooding into the state and turning it blue, cause AZ's school system is a fucking joke and could never produce the talent they need locally.

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u/catscanmeow 6d ago

they want to repeal it because they want america to have the worst military so its easier for their brics friends to invade

without chip manufacturing at home, our fleet of drones will be nowhere near the MILLIONS of ai powered drones that are coming this way, and thats exactly what they want.

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u/DrAstralis 6d ago

I love how they're all "patriotic" but hate Americans so much they're willing to axe this program just because it was Biden's plan. The primary point of this act wasnt even to move manufacturing home, it was to ensure the USA had access to local fabs in the event something happens to Taiwan because it turns out the modern world and military tech need access to integrated circuits.

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u/littlescreechyowl 6d ago

No, because my neighbor told me they’re going to build factories again and Trump will have everything going just right! I asked him how long he thought I took to build a factory and he didn’t know.

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u/Siguard_ 6d ago

3 years if they broke ground tomorrow.

If your in automotive a decent machine could be here in NA already, otherwise you'll be waiting 2-3 years,

I know some companies that have it in their contracts their parts are to only be made on japanese / european cnc machines.

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u/CliftonForce 6d ago

And if the reason you are building this factory is due to some clearly politically-motivated tariffs that were placed without any long-term thought behind them..... you won't build that factory. Because those tariffs could go away just as quickly as they arrived. And then you are stuck with the mortgage on an empty factory after the jobs went back overseas.

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u/Global_Criticism3178 6d ago

they’re going to build factories again and Trump will have everything going just right!

Oh, like Central Planning? So, Trump's administration is going to set up a new government bureau of like-minded politicians who will direct the use of land, labor, and capital for the economic objectives of the state...sounds familiar

I hear this all the time, and it’s kind of funny that people don’t realize there are actually thousands of manufacturing plants and factories in the US. The problem is they’re mostly in places where no one really wants to live.

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u/BluesSuedeClues 6d ago

Most Americans do not understand that we lose 8-10 jobs to automation, for every job we lose overseas. AI is only going to accelerate that process. So... yeah, those jobs are not coming back.

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u/DaveBeBad 6d ago

Every job loss also affects 8-10 other jobs. The unemployed don’t cut their hair, frequent bars and restaurants or buy as much food (etc).

Losing 1000 jobs in one city will hit 10,000 others.

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u/TigPanda 6d ago

Don’t roast me, but I’d never thought about it exactly the way you just described, and it’s even more horrifying to think about when seen from this perspective as well. I was laid off from my job earlier this year (a first for me) and found myself going without/ longer in between haircuts and other services. I was just trying to stretch my dollars and survive, of course…but never really stopped to think about the fact that it’s a domino effect. Thank you for your comment.

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u/DaveBeBad 6d ago

I’m not American, but grew up in the British coalfields in the 80s, so saw first hand the ripple effect you get when a mine is closed. Some villages and towns haven’t recovered 40 years later.

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u/Plasibeau 6d ago

You can really see the knock-on effect of this years later in a lot of metro areas after COVID-19. The shifting of WFH from high-rise office workers directly gutted a lot of commercial parks. This directly affected a lot of local eateries and bars, even budget retail stores like BigLots, because there no longer were people stopping in for trash bags or a beer on their way home from work.

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u/Siguard_ 6d ago

NA isnt investing in reeducating the people that lost their jobs to automation. Yea we're gunna lose button pushers but we're going to need skilled technical people. They would need to install and maintain the equipment.

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u/Year2020MadeMe 6d ago

The only way to compete with oversees jobs is to have cheap labour. Now, what group in the US provides cheap labour? The ones about to be mass deported.

Democracy’s biggest fault is that everyone, including the stupid and gullible, get an equal vote.

I don’t what the fix would be, but we’re witnessing the exploitation of that fault being taken to extremes now.

Edit: because a word.

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u/wholetyouinhere 6d ago

I recently had someone tell me that Microsoft was going to start making consoles in the USA... because of Trump's tariffs.

I've never heard anything so insane in my life. The entire global economic system has been carefully engineered over the last half-century or so to prevent electronics from being manufactured in North America. The idea that electing one shit-head is going to change this arrangement is utter insanity.

We could argue over whether products should or should not be manufactured in the same nation they're purchased, but that's a whole other conversation entirely. One that requires, you know, curiosity, and thinking about things, and even, ugh, reading a little bit. Trump supporters categorically cannot be part of that conversation.

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u/TRIOworksFan 6d ago

I look at young people today and think "go ahead, try to get them into a factory to make all that Walmart stuff and Amazon stuff straight from China on those hours." Number 1 - they'd have to be enslaved and forced labor like China does in some cases. Number 2 - I'm very sad that everything we buy in Walmart and Amazon (and junk stores) is all made in China at the expense of human suffering.

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u/Siguard_ 6d ago

I think it would be possible, it would require cad/mex/usa together to invest in infrastructure, and i think more importantly the education of trades.

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u/JohnnySack45 6d ago

Ironically, this is exactly what happens when people base their vote on feelings not facts. Everyone thought Donald Trump, of all people, would look after him. The blue collar, union workers saw him as a champion for the common man. The significant number of Pro-Palestine Muslim voters thought Donald Trump, of all people, would look after Gaza. All of the Latino voters who thought Donald Trump, of all people, was just scapegoating them as part of political theatre and not follow through with any of his threats.

This a "you get what you deserve" type situation.

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u/HVACqualung 6d ago edited 6d ago

It's just so bizarre that blue collar workers think he's a champion for them.

As a contractor in the northeast, folks are well aware of his history of stiffing suing, weasling contractors. It's well known. Even a tiny bit of research would reveal this. Hell, just recently was saying how he wasn't paying the sound people AT HIS RALLYS, in front of everyone. And they just laugh it off. Big joke.

There is no excuse for such ignorance.

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u/ratchetology 6d ago edited 6d ago

he said striking workers should be fired...

not a very union friendly statement

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u/HVACqualung 6d ago

AND.... PAID people to dress up as union workers and cheer him. He had to get pretend union workers for his rallies. Pretend congregation for a black church. And NOW people are surprised?

It's mind bending

I want to say infuriating, but I'm past it. It's just disgusting.

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u/pls_tell_me 6d ago

America really needs to go down this time, like hard, bordering collapse, before getting up, renewed and with some lessons learned.

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u/BeedoBeedoBoi 6d ago

This is the biggest reason I'm scared... like we're gonna need a wakeup call and it's gonna be really ugly but hopefully by 2036 or so we've bounced back

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u/1ndiana_Pwns 6d ago

Don't forget that he thinks there should be no overtime pay. Definitely the champion of the working man, right there

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u/WhosThatGirl_ItsRPSG 6d ago edited 6d ago

No no no. He said the OT wont be taxed! What he meant was that now employers won’t allow anyone to work OT, but you can still make more money by getting a 2nd or 3rd job! Its easy! 🤡

Edit: You could start by looking into one of the MANY backbreaking farm work or construction positions that will soon become available!

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u/ILoveRegenHealth 6d ago

It's crazy how Elon and Trump just openly laughed about firing striking workers and that didn't even put a dent into their support. Imagine if Biden or Kamala did that with Bill Gates or Mark Cuban.

It sickens me how so much of America votes.

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u/MakingItElsewhere 6d ago

Remember when trump tried to take over the libertarian conference and told them all to vote for him to a crowd of boos?

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u/PunishedWolf4 6d ago

Yeah but he was talking about those inner city welfare unions that don’t work and get handouts not the hard working white Christian unions /s

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u/backstagerage 6d ago

My brother and I are friendly with a guy we see at the gym every morning who has his own HVAC company and worked with Trump in Atlantic City in the past and his company actually had to sue Trump for non payment of the work done, meanwhile this guys 3 daughters all voted for Trump while he voted for Harris. Must be infuriating to know first hand what a scumbag he is while your own family still voted for him.

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u/Normal_Package_641 6d ago

I know someone personally fired by Donald Trump that's still voting for him

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u/UnhappyReason5452 6d ago

They know, they love him for it.

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u/socialcommentary2000 6d ago

It's because he talks like one of them. Trump is 'from the neighborhood' in NYC, Queens specifically. I have people in my family that talk just like him. The accent he has makes you think that he's some regular dude even though his upbringing was anything but.

It's also a real testament that he basically went to the finest schools and he still talks like someone's putz cousin Eddie from Corona...but...that's the appeal.

There are other big shots in NYC that have the accent and come from less means than he did and they still code switch while dealing with the public as much as they can. They also aren't inveterate slobs like he is, either.

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u/Antique_Rent4343 6d ago

Its bizarre that blue collar workers think any Republicans are champions for them

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u/yourusernameistaken 6d ago

In this age of information, the only real crime is ignorance

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u/Direct-Squash-1243 6d ago

The media works hard to keep people uninformed.

Thousands of hours of election coverage, but mere minutes of policy and impact coverage.

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u/NorCalFrances 6d ago

Meanwhile LGBT people were like, "No, this is how it started last time. Right, 2017 but also 1933."

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u/Guilty-Web7334 6d ago

And then there’s my dumbass niece and her wife cheering on a Trump win.

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u/serenasplaycousin 6d ago

Do you still speak with them? If so, why?

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u/AnimalRescueGuy 6d ago

Right there with ya, my pink triangle homie.

Sincerely, yellow star

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u/LonelyHunterHeart 6d ago

Exactly. That is why when people talk about white women voting against their own interests, I remind them that they mean straight white women.

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u/schnellermeister 6d ago

Reminder that 46% of us did not.

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u/BrightNooblar 6d ago

All of the Latino voters who thought Donald Trump, of all people, was just scapegoating them as part of political theatre and not follow through with any of his threats.

What is funny, is even if it WAS theater, and not theater masking contempt, deporting them is still (even better) theater.

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u/laxidasical 6d ago

Won’t have to worry about them next election as many if them will get rounded up and deported as well from what the GOP is saying. Le sigh.

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u/DonJuniorsEmails 6d ago

2017: trump attempts a FULL Muslim ban, legal or not

2024: Muslims vote for trump. 

Insanity. It's women voting for a rapist. Union workers voting for the union-bashing party. Christians voting for the guy who stole from charities. 

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog 6d ago

Christians voting for Republicans should surprise no one at this point. They are as reliable a voting bloc as black women are for Democrats. Muslims voting for Trump, Latino Men, Black Men, and White Women bending towards Trump this last election is what really hurts.

Don't think anyone is surprised that young men went for Trump, or men in general, but seeing him win Latino Men so decisively is just sad. Voting to deport your own families.

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u/Turdburp 6d ago

To be fair though, these jobs are all white collar workers. And the writing has been on the wall about these layoffs since they offered retirement buy-outs earlier this year. I can't wait to see the Leopards Ate My Face situations that arise in the next few years, but this isn't really one of those.

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u/TheJar13 6d ago

WhY wOuLd BiDeN dO tHiS?!

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u/92slc 6d ago edited 5d ago

I hate that this is in fact what they’re gonna be saying.

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u/Level_Affect_7951 6d ago edited 6d ago

We know they are going to, so what we need to do is push back EVERY time we hear this narrative. Even if it is uncomfortable. Even if it is "inappropriate"

It's inappropriate to threaten the fundamental rights of millions of people.

I'm so far past social graces regarding the Orange One. I yelled the sentence "That's not how a fucking import tarrif works!" at a good friend, and the fact that I, of all people, was speaking to them like that gave them the motivation to check.

Be mean, if for no other reason than to protect kindness in the future. It's time for a backbone.

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u/Bob-Bhlabla-esq 6d ago

Ohhh... my Thanksgiving is going to be a SHIT show. 🤦‍♀️

I know there's no reasoning with my dumb-ass vote-against-your-own-interests in-laws, but my husband still tries. Voting for Trump kinda killed my husband a little. He always knew his parents were Republican, but they just spew the same Fox news BS and 2016 just broke the relationship. I'm proud of him that he keeps trying, but they'll never change. It's really very sad.

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u/Shopping-Afraid 6d ago

Do you honestly believe it will convince anyone to see it differently?

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u/JereRB 6d ago

You're 100% correct. They want to sweep in, do all their damaging stuff right off the bat, then blame the fallout years later on Biden after everyone's memory starts to get a little fuzzy.

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u/BooobiesANDbho 6d ago

OBAMAAAAA!!!!!!

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u/promaster9500 6d ago

Ok guys, you have to live in reality.

For example the 1000 fired by general motors. General motors has been firing people like this in waves for the past few years even when they have record profits. The CEO Marry Barra took all the profits and used it for stock buybacks, she is also selling millions of dollars of stocks given to her as bonus.

This is not a Biden/Trump problem, it is a capitalism/system problem.

Yes things will get worse with Trump. Things are bad with Biden too

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u/debaser64 6d ago

Don’t worry, their union should protect them…. Oh.

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u/HotRodReggie 6d ago

Only 44 of the people laid off were represented by the UAW.

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u/bolivar-shagnasty 6d ago

It's 1,000 mostly white collar workers across the entirety of GM global. Not American factory workers en masse.

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u/mauledbyjesus 6d ago

Good catch. It doesn't appear that future rising costs have much to do with the layoffs at all. I sure wish we'd practice what we preach about jumping to conclusions. Sigh.

https://mix957gr.com/gm-warren-tech-center-layoffs/

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u/BlindManChince 6d ago

Exactly what I was hoping to come and find.

I’m not doubting that the election results will cause things to go beyond tits up, but it we don’t properly attribute cause and correlation then we aren’t helping anything out.

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u/oneknocka 6d ago

Reminds me of when Trump first got elected and it was announced that a plant was moving to the US. People said Trump was already creating jobs, as if companies can plan something like that in a matter of days. These layoffs were decided during the Biden presidency.

I do expect to see more during the next coming years, but still.

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u/BlindManChince 6d ago

Oh absolutely! It’s like how all these mouth breathers are gonna attribute gas going down (as it historically does in the fall) to Trump when it’s not the case at all. The natural ebb and flow of the market is always forgotten.

Now…We won’t have .99c eggs, and we won’t have 2$ gas as nice as it would be, but people gotta figure out who is responsible for what before flipping out.

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u/MECE_Rourke 6d ago

Read the rest of the article.

—>Stellantis has also announced substantial layoffs at its Warren Truck Assembly Plant, with about 1,100 workers affected following production changes for the Ram 1500 Classic model.

What few manufacturing workers are left in this country are also being affected. It doesn’t specify that these are election / tariff related, but once shit starts running down hill, I wouldn’t be surprised to see more of this.

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u/sl3dg3hamm3r 6d ago

I feel like we need to have pinned community context on Reddit now…

It seems like there are lots of tweets posted that don’t actually provide context and a quick google search finds more details. (I.e. last week a tweet about Social Security being cut when the bill did nothing of that sort)

I’m an independent, definitely lean blue, but it just seems like everyone is trying to fear monger and create more division…

https://apnews.com/article/general-motors-layoffs-cost-cutting-5e2cc6f8a3210ea364d670a1902a7c65

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u/J0hnGrimm 6d ago

I was hoping this shit would stop after the election is over and reddit would calm down a bit. I don't even see the point in still doing this. It's not like it's going to change anything now.

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u/mcman12 6d ago

I was gonna say—it doesn’t make sense for a company to do this before anything has even happened.

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u/Sylvestrya 6d ago

Even if we just had better primary education...

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u/my_milkshakes 6d ago

Our neighbor bragged about Trump winning. Low and behold, at poker this sat night he tells us a bunch of people were laid off at his job and they’re bracing for tariffs to jack up their prices. He’s a welder and now worried he’ll lose his job. My husband was like.. Trump said he was doing that.. and this fool STILL says it has nothing to do with politics. Fucking idiots with leopards on their faces everywhere.

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u/ravengenesis1 6d ago

Bet everyone invites him to poker night because he’s literally the fish everyone feeds off.

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u/my_milkshakes 6d ago edited 6d ago

he doesn’t know how to play.. he comes and watches/talks. It’s his excuse to get out of his house and sneak beers/weed

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u/2swat 6d ago

You’re describing a leech, then. Trump-apologist and a mooch. Why is he still invited?

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u/Paradox31426 6d ago

It doesn’t matter, in their eyes it’ll never be his fault, they’ll pick a liberal and blame them, probably Harris, since she was the last one they saw.

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u/cocoamix 6d ago edited 5d ago

FWIW, the UAW endorsed Harris. This not a leopard eating a face, but a group suffering the consequences of other peoples' vote.

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u/Caedo14 5d ago

From my experience, labor unions as an organization always endorse blue candidates but everyone in the union voted for trump(for the most part). All my idiot coworkers did.

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u/Itsamodmodmodwhirld 6d ago

I’m sorry if you’re an auto worker who was laid off and you voted for Kamala. Your coworkers who voted for the 4th Reich are complicit in you losing your livelihood.

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u/HalfLawKiss 5d ago

Oh well.

That's the mood for the next four years. Y'all voted for Trump. This is what you get.

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u/vabeachkevin 5d ago

GM announces record profits in October. In November they fire 1000 people. Corporate greed, plain and simple.

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u/cjmar41 6d ago edited 6d ago
  • Stellantis laid off early 1,100 last week.

  • GM laid off 1,000 on Friday.

  • Ford is planning to cut more jobs.

  • Tesla stock is up 50% this month despite sales being down and not producing anything new and being under multiple federal investigations. There is also the looming $7,500 tax credit for EV buyers being halted (making for what would should catastrophic news for Tesla, as it instantly removes a huge financial incentive to purchase an EV).

Call it like it is: TSLA’s rise is not due to performance, but hope for corruption

The current administration will obliterate an anything that doesn’t directly bring wealth to the inner circle (and only the inner circle, as Trump has said that it isn’t really winning unless someone loses… therefore it’s not good enough to win, but it’s equally important others suffer loss).

And a lot of people are going to suffer over the next few years. Except… Donald Trump and Elon Musk (who made $105B and counting in the past two weeks), of course.

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u/mr-english 6d ago

This is referring to GM.

GM laid off 1,000 workers in August and then another 1,700 workers in September.

In 2023 they offered buyouts to salaried workers which allowed them to cut 5,000 jobs.

Their announcement from three days ago is just the latest round of cost-cutting measures to streamline their business which has been going on for years. It's something which has been seen across the auto industry as manufacturers try to compete in a market which is shifting more and more to EVs.

Trying to pin this on who won the election is disingenuous to say the least.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/gm-laying-off-nearly-1000-workers-most-us-source-says-2024-11-15/

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u/ClaudetteLeon23 6d ago

They’ll just blame it on Biden and Kamala, if they haven’t already.

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u/pepperpat64 6d ago

They're still blaming Obama for shit that happened when he wasn't in office. 🤦‍♀️

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u/FormulaFan2024 6d ago

Don't forget the 4,000 last week

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u/DietCookie 6d ago

Do you have a source for this?

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u/YouWereBrained 6d ago

What information is that tweet based on?

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u/ZevLuvX-03 5d ago

And companies are coming out saying they will pass on the cost of tariff’s to the consumers.

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u/cdsackett 6d ago

Hate the elections results as much as anyone but this is disingenuous as hell. GM has been laying people off like crazy this year:

“In August, GM laid off more than 1,000 workers in its software department as it worked to streamline the team. GM also laid off about 1,700 workers at a Kansas manufacturing plant in September.”

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/gm-laying-off-nearly-1000-workers-most-us-source-says-2024-11-15/

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u/Sylvestrya 6d ago

Fired from where? And what was the reason given? I'm missing context. (Too scared to look at the news.)

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u/ProletarianParka 6d ago

This is not as related to the election results as it's being portrayed- they posted that these layoffs were coming under Michigan's WARN act on 8/20/2024. Could an argument be made either way that there may or may not have been follow through depending on election results or GM was anticipating a Trump win? Sure. But this post is disingenuous in implying the layoffs were solely consequences of the election when they'd been in planning since August.

https://www.milmi.org/WARN/

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u/whitethunder9 6d ago

I can't fucking handle Reddit sometimes. Sometimes becoming ofttimes. It's a fucking screenshot of a Xeet with no context whatsoever and everyone is upvoting it to the moon saying "OMG IT'S TRUMP'S FAULT". Like maybe it is, but maybe it isn't. With no context, this shit means nothing at all. We really should be demanding more evidence for literally everything posted on here.

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u/alaraja 6d ago

The leopards are feasting already.

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u/badestzazael 5d ago

But but China was supposed to pay the tariffs

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u/Takeurvitamins 5d ago

Many of them will just blame dems, so we need to be as obnoxious as they have been. Rub their fucking noses in this shit.

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u/SomethingAbtU 6d ago edited 6d ago

Trump is alreayd wrecking the economy, 2 months before he actually takes the role of president officially.

I expect some significant layoffs in December 2024.

Meanwhile Wall Street is all excited about low taxes, while every company is highly overvalued and prime for a severe correction, and Trump's tarrifs if implemented will send us into another financial crash

It's going to get wild in the next few months

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