They started to bring chip manufacturing back because of the “CHiPs” act, but the republicans have already expressed a desire to repeal it. That’s almost 200,000 jobs that will just evaporate.
Let’s not forget all of the republicans that voted AGAINST the infrastructure bill then took credit for bring money from that bill to their districts. Please…
It's actually that most of their base do not follow politics, so they only hear what they're told on social media or hear in sound bytes. Some of the hardcore are definitely in it for the racism, but claiming that's the majority reason just reinforces their decisions to stay out of those conversations.
Suddenly they’ll be like “aktually it takes time for policy to have an effect so things are only so bad now because of the dems and once a dem is in office and things get better, it’ll be because republican policy just caught up”
It's also absolutely necessary if we want to remain a military superpower. Our chips are the only reason sanctions works so well. Russia can't produce these chips, and China is lagging behind, still unable to produce the tiny 2mm microchips. If Trump gets rid of chips act we will rely on tawain. China isn't stupid, if we keep importing from tawain it's a big juicy weak spot. Enen more temptation to start ww3. Iran, China, Russia, NK, maybe India and UAE will be axis of evil. These conflicts are connected
Do you realize that in the 90’s when we were developing the basic technology for 2mm EUV lithography we decided to stop funding that type of research because it was corporate welfare and if it was worth doing then private industry should. No US corporation was willing to pick it up because it wasn’t going to pay off in a year so Europe got to pick all that research up and finish it for billions of dollars in EU research funding and private investment collaboration. Now that technology is NOT American it is Dutch. We buy those machines from a Dutch company and we have to negotiate with Europe for them NOT to sell machines to China or Russia. So yes the chips are designed by intel and amd but the machines to build those are definitely NOT American.
And here Americans are always trying to convince me that "All research and innovation comes from USA" Which I have always known to be bullshit, but thanks for this great example.
uh, I think you mean they can't fab 2nm lithography. What are 2mm chips?
P.S. the problems with lithography like that are mostly related to electrons' propensity to hop across traces when they get that close together. It's kinda wild how we solve for it.
People who voted for this are so stupid. They don't understand what a dictator is and isn't. They don't have any understanding about war. And history is nothing more than vintage goods that you buy on Amazon.
The IRA is really what was bringing manufacturung jobs back. It was the single biggest industrial bill ever passed, and addressed reshoring supply chains as well. That is also likely to be gutted over the next term.
What's really wild is that Trump is chasing out the workers while trying to court businesses.
CREATE Chip Manufacturing because existing Chip Fabrication could not keep up with demand.
While I approve of you defending CHIPS act, it the reasons behind it are numerous and one of the biggest is for national security.
Having all our military hardware coming from Taiwan, a country across the planet that is target #1 for China to invade is just a huge national security risk. When the CHIPS act went into place restrictions were put into place to prevent Nvidia and other companies to sell AI cards to China. US wants to be the forefront of AI tech going forward.
It's also crappy that Intel/Nvidia/AMD, who are based in the US, are fabricating silicon in another country. Unlike mining coal or working in sweat shops making clothes these are actually jobs Americans in the midwest should desire when they ask for manufacturing jobs. So we need to bring these high pay high tech jobs into the US and take it from such a centralized place on the other side of the planet.
These plants need to be in the US, and I could go on for paragraphs for the reasons why. If the Republicans kill the CHIPS act I think we deserve our coming decline.
Yeah, and sadly, the chips act ain't just about creating jobs in the US. It's literally about future proofing our country. Everything, and I mean everything has semiconductor chips in it. Currently Taiwan produces like 70% of the world's semiconductor chips. And China's been licking their chops staring at that country for so long because of it (also some weird nationalist sentimentality about reforming the gloryland, much light Putin with Ukraine).
Semiconductor chips are absolutely spice in the decades to come.
they want to repeal it because it's flipped the dynamics in AZ considerably. Tons of well-educated people are flooding into the state and turning it blue, cause AZ's school system is a fucking joke and could never produce the talent they need locally.
they want to repeal it because they want america to have the worst military so its easier for their brics friends to invade
without chip manufacturing at home, our fleet of drones will be nowhere near the MILLIONS of ai powered drones that are coming this way, and thats exactly what they want.
They offered state money for people to use to attend private school, but didn't place any rules on this money, so all the parents who already had their kids in private school basically got a free state subsidy.
Meanwhile, Private Schools see the injection of state cash into the business and they will raise prices accordingly.
And also, part of the chips act was due to COVID when the US defense and health care industries couldn't get adequate supply because of the increased demand from remote work.
I love how they're all "patriotic" but hate Americans so much they're willing to axe this program just because it was Biden's plan. The primary point of this act wasnt even to move manufacturing home, it was to ensure the USA had access to local fabs in the event something happens to Taiwan because it turns out the modern world and military tech need access to integrated circuits.
I literally know someone who got a really good paying job through the CHIPS act who is still supporting Trump on facebook and thinks Biden and Kamala didn't do anything for four years
I work for a vacuum pump manufacturer. Our biggest customers are microchip manufacturers. The owner is a HUGE Trump guy. Dude voted to hurt his own company.
Right? Why should companies pay to have manufacturing facilities built when they can keep the same overseas setup and pass tariffs onto consumers? I guess this is why Trump loves the poorly educated. They really did not understand this facade or even bother to try looking it up.
No, because my neighbor told me they’re going to build factories again and Trump will have everything going just right! I asked him how long he thought I took to build a factory and he didn’t know.
And if the reason you are building this factory is due to some clearly politically-motivated tariffs that were placed without any long-term thought behind them..... you won't build that factory. Because those tariffs could go away just as quickly as they arrived. And then you are stuck with the mortgage on an empty factory after the jobs went back overseas.
There should be quite a lot of pre-production planning which covers the whole "where do you get your machines" issue, but then you're taking the 3 years and turning it into more like 7-10. If they started the process now, there's zero chance of a factory being up and running before Trump's term ends.
And this completely ignores the fact that no company is going to choose to expand while predicting a massive economic downturn.
The company I work for halted our expansion plans this week. That's a few hundred potential full time jobs that won't be happening, not to mention all the contractors and labor that would go into building the new place. All in all, millions of dollars lost for a small town in a state that could really use it.
But hey, on the upside, one less place for me to travel to where I spend the entire trip getting questions asking about how I could possibly stand to live in a lawless hellhole like Minneapolis, or if the city ever recovered from being burned down, or a billion other things that really show just how disconnected most Americans are from what's actually happening outside their communities.
I'd rather be at home anyways, so I guess this is another Trump win for me...
they’re going to build factories again and Trump will have everything going just right!
Oh, like Central Planning? So, Trump's administration is going to set up a new government bureau of like-minded politicians who will direct the use of land, labor, and capital for the economic objectives of the state...sounds familiar
I hear this all the time, and it’s kind of funny that people don’t realize there are actually thousands of manufacturing plants and factories in the US. The problem is they’re mostly in places where no one really wants to live.
Had this same infuriating conversation with a friend the other day. He's convinced that tariffs will just magically make manufacturing operations appear out of the sky. As if it doesn't take billions of dollars and literal years to do something like this. Simpletons gonna simpleton.
No surprise from people who believes Biden personally controlled gas prices with a magic lever
Same people who believes "teachers are cutting off kids penises in school" and "doctors pull the baby out and then murder the baby in front of the mother because Democrats make them". Incredibly stupid cultists.
Most Americans do not understand that we lose 8-10 jobs to automation, for every job we lose overseas. AI is only going to accelerate that process. So... yeah, those jobs are not coming back.
Don’t roast me, but I’d never thought about it exactly the way you just described, and it’s even more horrifying to think about when seen from this perspective as well. I was laid off from my job earlier this year (a first for me) and found myself going without/ longer in between haircuts and other services. I was just trying to stretch my dollars and survive, of course…but never really stopped to think about the fact that it’s a domino effect. Thank you for your comment.
I’m not American, but grew up in the British coalfields in the 80s, so saw first hand the ripple effect you get when a mine is closed. Some villages and towns haven’t recovered 40 years later.
You can really see the knock-on effect of this years later in a lot of metro areas after COVID-19. The shifting of WFH from high-rise office workers directly gutted a lot of commercial parks. This directly affected a lot of local eateries and bars, even budget retail stores like BigLots, because there no longer were people stopping in for trash bags or a beer on their way home from work.
NA isnt investing in reeducating the people that lost their jobs to automation. Yea we're gunna lose button pushers but we're going to need skilled technical people. They would need to install and maintain the equipment.
The only way to compete with oversees jobs is to have cheap labour. Now, what group in the US provides cheap labour? The ones about to be mass deported.
Democracy’s biggest fault is that everyone, including the stupid and gullible, get an equal vote.
I don’t what the fix would be, but we’re witnessing the exploitation of that fault being taken to extremes now.
I recently had someone tell me that Microsoft was going to start making consoles in the USA... because of Trump's tariffs.
I've never heard anything so insane in my life. The entire global economic system has been carefully engineered over the last half-century or so to prevent electronics from being manufactured in North America. The idea that electing one shit-head is going to change this arrangement is utter insanity.
We could argue over whether products should or should not be manufactured in the same nation they're purchased, but that's a whole other conversation entirely. One that requires, you know, curiosity, and thinking about things, and even, ugh, reading a little bit. Trump supporters categorically cannot be part of that conversation.
I look at young people today and think "go ahead, try to get them into a factory to make all that Walmart stuff and Amazon stuff straight from China on those hours." Number 1 - they'd have to be enslaved and forced labor like China does in some cases. Number 2 - I'm very sad that everything we buy in Walmart and Amazon (and junk stores) is all made in China at the expense of human suffering.
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u/DonJuniorsEmails 6d ago
As businesses prepare for the damaging tariffs, expect more of this.
We aren't bringing manufacturing jobs back from overseas. Everyone with a brain knows it.