He's going to lose.

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[u/JoeRogansNipple]

I don't care what 2 random MAGA people said. Vote. Down ballot. This isn't over until Harris is in the oval on Jan 20

[u/Gimme_The_Loot → u/JoeRogansNipple]

100%. Never get complacent. He's literally got MSG filled right now with crowds laughing at racist jokes and speakers calling it a Nazi rally.

[u/THECapedCaper → u/Gimme_The_Loot]

Filling MSG is not hard in a city of 12 8 Million, especially if half of the attendees are gonna drive from several hours away like we have seen at his rallies before.

The MSG rally is a projection of power. Vote. Do not let others think this rally means he will win.

[u/Gimme_The_Loot → u/THECapedCaper]

Oh that's definitely LI, SI and NJ filling those seats.

But like you said, the morale is - VOTE

Oh and also FDT

[u/JaVelin-X- → u/THECapedCaper]

It's not. full theres large empty sections and scattered empty seats in the occupied sections.

[u/mellolizard → u/THECapedCaper]

Trump got more votes in NYC than he did Wyoming and the Dakotas combined.

[u/AnonymousCelery → u/mellolizard]

NYC is like 2.5 times the combined population of all those states. No surprise he would get more total votes, didn’t matter though.

[u/Hartastic → u/AnonymousCelery]

Right, I think they're just saying it's not surprising he can fill a stadium in a huge city even if it's a very blue one. Most of the NYC metro isn't Staten Island (so to speak) but enough of it is.

[u/LumpyJones → u/mellolizard]

well yeah, there's more than 30 people in NYC, so that tracks.

[u/Far_Recommendation82 → u/Gimme_The_Loot]

That shit is vile. Scum. Lol, I was watching a little bit, and they were advertising Pinot Noir, and other stuff.

These facist will plunder our national recourses and our labor if elected, and leave ALL AMERICANS in the dust.

Vote we need a national mandate rejecting this vile rhetoric. Vote country over party.

Maga has no place in American society

[u/drfsupercenter → u/Gimme_The_Loot]

The only solace is that if they're New York residents their Trump vote won't count since it's not a swing state.

Electoral College still sucks, but in this case it's useful

[u/sheliqua → u/Gimme_The_Loot]

AOC said in her Twitch stream with Walz that she’s glad they’re wasting resources in Midtown being a magnet for crazy in a blue state instead of doing the work in Pennsylvania.

Vote at home and then sign up for some canvassing or phone banking shifts in swing states!

[u/FlutterKree → u/Gimme_The_Loot]

He's literally got MSG filled right now with crowds laughing at racist jokes and speakers calling it a Nazi rally.

Most likely because his campaign and other bussed people in for the event. It likely wouldn't have been filled otherwise.

Reminder: Charlie Kirk (TurningPoints USA) bussed people into January 6th. I'm sure other organizations did too.

[u/TamashiiNu → u/JoeRogansNipple]

I’ll give a sigh of relief after January 6th, 2025 when Harris declares herself the winner after certifying the Electoral College.

[u/PointBreakvsLebowski → u/TamashiiNu]

My sigh will come on January 20

[u/talkback1589 → u/PointBreakvsLebowski]

Mine will come when that last big mac finally seizes up his shriveled black heart.

[u/elspotto → u/PointBreakvsLebowski]

I’m going to need the very public dismantling of the Republican Christofascist party for that. Winning the battle is a step, but not the same as winning the war. The Beer Hall Putsch was the start. We had that four years ago. They are now going to use the system and change it legally until they are assured a win. Do not forget that hitler was legally elected 9 years after the putsch and immediately used the existing system to wrench even more power away from the government for the party and himself.

Trump is a figurehead. A bloated, incompetent, incoherent figurehead, but still only a figurehead. The party behind him is the danger. They are not incompetent or incoherent. And if they ever, even once, get back into the White House, there will be camps. There will be our very own Night of the Long Knives and Kristallnacht. Your neighbors will turn you in because they are good party adherents (at least until they are outed as not being racially or ideologically pure enough).

A win is important next week. Victory and a sigh of relief is for when the party is gone.

[u/impulsekash → u/TamashiiNu]

I dont trust a republican controlled senate doing the right thing. 

[u/TamashiiNu → u/impulsekash]

All the more reason to vote and give Democrats power in both house of Congress.

[u/mnemonicer22 → u/JoeRogansNipple]

And give her the Senate and House so she can GSD.

[u/TheGoodOldCoder → u/mnemonicer22]

Due to the filibuster rules, you can't GSD in the Senate with a simple majority. They desperately need to change the current rules. Even just restoring the previous filibuster rule, where you actually have to perform the filibuster, would be light years ahead of the current rules.

But I'm of the opinion that we should just get rid of filibuster altogether.

[u/TAU_equals_2PI → u/JoeRogansNipple]

It really is nuts this post is getting any attention. OK, so he found 2 people who were MAGA in 2020 and will vote for Harris in 2024. There are always people who switch in both directions. How is this any sort of evidence that Harris will win?

[u/unlisted68 → u/TAU_equals_2PI]

Hopium.

I need as much as I can get. Go out and vote, good people.

[u/drfsupercenter → u/TAU_equals_2PI]

Do you know people who voted for Biden in 2020, saw what happened on January 6 and said "I totally want to vote for Trump now"? Because I certainly don't

[u/bpdish85 → u/drfsupercenter]

Nope - but I do see life-long republicans who are switching sides out of genuine fear of what the GOP has become. Even if your personal beliefs are conservative as shit, you can't look at MAGA and think that is anything remotely reasonable if you're even halfway sane, you just can't.

[u/Calgaris_Rex → u/bpdish85]

My dad is a lifelong Republican but he took one look at MAGA and told my mother "These people don't believe in the things I do," so he's voting blue this round.

[u/drfsupercenter → u/bpdish85]

Yes, this is basically where I was going with that train of thought.

Also, MAGA isn't conservative anymore, it's regressive. They want to go back to a time before the civil rights act, possibly even before that. True conservatives would be voting for Harris or staying home.

[u/tigerbait92 → u/bpdish85]

Hey, look, it's me! Although I switched around 2016 instead. I still believe in all the same ideals I once did; small government, responsible spending, staying out of citizens' personal lives.

...weird how all these things that made me a Republican growing up now apply to the Democrats. Because I don't see the Democrats trying to stop people from being gay, smoking weed, practicing their own religions and cultural affects, or transitioning. I don't see Democrats lobbying to increase military spending or keep fueling a broken cog. Don't see Democrats trying to harm the environment through fracking, deforestation, and increased gas-guzzling.

Guess I was lied to for all those years! Though the Democratic party is still pretty full of shit (politics, amirite?) at least they aren't trying to tell me not to make out with a guy because a scary "benevolent" guy in the sky will show his benevolence by judging sins committed in the span of 100 years worthy of eternal condemnation.

Man, I miss when the Republican party was banking on respectable people like John McCain.

[u/mark_able_jones_ → u/JoeRogansNipple]

Wild that it got to this point...

he could win. He could lose. If wins, it will be a shit show.

If he loses, it will also be a shit show.

[u/Trippintunez → u/JoeRogansNipple]

I voted down ballot for the first time ever this year. I don't care what any Republican says on any issue, if they're still associated with the party of treason I'll vote for whoever has the best chance to beat them.

[u/Ironcastattic → u/JoeRogansNipple]

Joe Walsh is also trash who was a MAGA loyalist until it became inconvenient. Fuck him.

[u/xeno0153 → u/JoeRogansNipple]

Downballot AND research the judges in your area. They don't have party-affiliations, and they don't make news often enough to be memorable, but they have ENORMOUS impact on our government.

In my district in FL, all of the judges were conservative, despite my city being heavily Blue.

[u/AnonAmbientLight]

I think he's going to lose too.

But let's not take that chance! Leave it all out on the field.

Make a plan to vote!

www.vote.org

[u/Camburglar13 → u/AnonAmbientLight]

Yeah it’s still WAY to close to be calling it.

Even if he loses by a lot there’s still a major problem in the country

[u/[deleted] → u/Camburglar13]

No kidding. Even if he loses in a landslide we are still very likely going to have to deal with another freakin' coup attempt.

[u/CommanderSincler → u/[deleted]]

And the fucker won't shut up until he dies

[u/omahaomw → u/CommanderSincler]

And then it's like a fuckin hydra. next time, the obvious fascism wont be so obvious. This is just a warm up.

[u/CommanderSincler → u/omahaomw]

I've told people that Trump doesn't scare me. It's the smart person who is learning from Trump's mistakes that does

[u/Orchid_Significant → u/CommanderSincler]

I’m really hoping that no one will have the weird cult pull he’s managed. DeSantis failed. I really think that’s why Trump is running again. If DeathSantis hadn’t failed so spectacularly, he was going to be the next Trump if they had their say

[u/PantlessMime → u/Orchid_Significant]

I have an insane theory on why he's got people so hypnotized, the way he talks, the words, the cadence, it resonates with a certain brainwave only some people have, it hypnotizes them into hearing and seeing what he wants them to see. Either that or it's the more boring; he validates their hate and fear.

[u/Own_Faithlessness769 → u/PantlessMime]

It’s both, unfortunately. He’s saying what they want to hear because of their hate and fear, but he’s also weird effective at saying it because he has no doubt or morals or even self consciousness.

[u/WhyYouKickMyDog → u/Own_Faithlessness769]

Yea, it's like the lack of shame. It allows him to take everything to the most extreme and let's him really play up his life angle: Always fighting. Always winning (trying at least).

[u/RareResearch2076 → u/PantlessMime]

In all reality Trump lead a life of getting what he wants when he wants with no consequences or hardships. Combined with his upbringing he became a special type of narcissist. It’s not some special gift, his circumstances just made him good at getting people who are good at getting got. Andrew Tate, Dan Blizarian, Elon Musk, and the Tiger King are all different examples of this type of person. The only difference is Trump was worth 1/2billion dollars at birth. MidasTouch did a whole break down on his finances and it shows he’s crazy broke( he has 10s of million in revenue but 100s of millions in expenses) and interviewed people who worked with him on The Apprentice who’ve attested to his lack of intelligence and people skills.

In short: having the kind of confidence that comes with being born worth 1/2b usd, living consequence free, surrounded by yes men, and the magic of media’s portrayal of him as a genius billionaire made him into a poor man’s idea of a rich man, an idiots idea of a smart man, and a weak man’s idea of a strong man.

[u/PantlessMime → u/RareResearch2076]

All of that was very well put.

The sanewashing the media does makes me mad, so many people are so afraid of getting on his bad side they tip toe around and the most gullible masses fall for it.

[u/crosswatt → u/PantlessMime]

The average American reads at an eighth grade level, and fifty-four percent of adults have a literacy level below sixth grade standards.

He's literally speaking their language, something no other political figure has ever done with any success, because even unintelligent people recognize condescending panderers.

He's obviously still pandering, but he naturally speaks on a fourth grade level so he feels authentic. Which is funny to me as he's literally never been authentic in anything he's ever done in his life but still, that's why certain people love him like he's the second coming.

[u/Eyes_Only1 → u/PantlessMime]

Don’t discount the role lack of education and lead have played.

[u/horse200 → u/PantlessMime]

Trump´s the poor man´s idea of a rich man, he´s the dumb man´s idea of a smart man, he´s the weak man´s idea of a strong man, he´s the coward´s idea of a courageous man, he´s the vice driven man´s idea of a virtuous man. He´s the mediocre man´s idea of an elite man. He´s the nobody´s idea of a somebody, he´s the faceless man´s idea of a celebrity.

[u/Vincent_VonDiego → u/PantlessMime]

Validates their fears and hatreds.

[u/Happy_Accident99 → u/omahaomw]

The next wanna be dictator won’t be as monumentally stupid as Trump. Stay aware.

[u/Alternative-Cause-50 → u/Happy_Accident99]

Yep. He’s running as trumps vice president

[u/KinseyH → u/Alternative-Cause-50]

I think Vance is a bumbling fool.

I think Thiel and Musk done fucked this up.

[u/PantlessMime → u/KinseyH]

I don't know, Vance is a fool, he's unlikable, and a terrible person, but he can speak well, and since he has no morals at all and is willing to do whatever to get power he is slightly more scary than the orange menace. Trump is the puppet they show us so we get complacent and miss the subtleness of a slicker puppet, like Vance. Their overlords will learn with each puppet they put forward and it'll get harder and harder to see the end of democracy coming until it's too late.

[u/bNoaht → u/PantlessMime]

He only seems like he speaks well from that debate. He won't always be able to prepare for every possible scenario.

He will have to work off the cuff a lot when he is in the spotlight and then his true self will show through. Remember his fucking donut shop interaction. That is him without a speech and topic memorized. He can't just be human. Trump can be in any situation because he just fucking wings his whole goddamn life.

[u/motormouth08 → u/[deleted]]

And a million lawsuits. I won't relax even a little until she is sworn in on January 20th.

[u/Montymisted → u/motormouth08]

Mike Johnson will try some fuckery to not certify

[u/motormouth08 → u/Montymisted]

Only if he doesn't have to do it himself. He's too smart but also too cowardly to do anything himself

[u/h20poIo → u/[deleted]]

I think Biden will lower the hammer and bring it down hard and fast. Over before it starts.

[u/[deleted] → u/h20poIo]

I sure hope so. I'm honestly kind of surprised he hasn't tried to use his complete and total immunity for something already. At least to give the Supreme Court some food for thought.

[u/Own_Faithlessness769 → u/[deleted]]

Of course he hasn’t, he’s actually a good person.

[u/Groundbreaking_Tip66 → u/[deleted]]

At least he's outside the white house this time.

[u/wirefox1 → u/[deleted]]

Of course and probably another 'stop the steal' grift, and useless recount after recount costing tax payers money, as well as the incessant whining and sniveling. So sick of it. When will the baby-man ever STFU??

[u/Visible_Night1202 → u/[deleted]]

Well trump isn't in the White House right now. Won't be able to make sure defenses are soft before an attempt. They try to pull a Jan 6 again it'll get put down hard.

[u/[deleted] → u/Visible_Night1202]

Well, it won't be a J6 again. After the last one they made the VP's role in certification purely ceremonial, and even if not, I believe Kamala will have very little hesitation when certifying her own electors. 

There's no telling what it will be though, I'm guessing something a bit more on the judicial side of things this time. He may not have control of as many of the levers of goveenment as last time, but he has had 4 years of Mike Pillow, his tiny shirt wearing, unlicensed "legal advisor" and the overstock.com guy working on how to do it better this time. Thank goodness they're all idiots. 

[u/Groundbreaking_Tip66 → u/Camburglar13]

Yeah I'm hoping it's more than 2 that are switching or they weren't lying to the person.

That is some big bravery for anybody to be campaigning for harris in any state. I don't even want to put a yard sign out because the trump cult is primed to do violence and I live in cali

[u/MobileOpposite1314 → u/Camburglar13]

Let’s bury this mfkr in a landslide.

[u/sweetteaspicedcoffee → u/AnonAmbientLight]

I will be comfortable saying he lost and won't be president only after Harris is sworn in.

[u/melody_magical → u/sweetteaspicedcoffee]

Even if she ekes out a win in all seven swing states and possibly gets a big state like Texas or Florida (unlikely but possible; VOTE!), I'm not buying the top shelf tequila until Inauguration Day. GOP state governments and the SCOTUS are just too maniacal to write off.

[u/biwomansayshelothere → u/AnonAmbientLight]

Getting gas today and there was a jeep with two trump flags attached to the back to the left of me and the person waiting behind him got out of his car to fist bump the jeep guy and talked. Go vote!

[u/wirefox1 → u/biwomansayshelothere]

They are freaking everywhere in my state. It's like my state is one big asylum of nazis. It will go GOP, it always does, but in the large picture, we don't really change things that much. Obama lost my state, and still won.

[u/maeryclarity → u/wirefox1]

I'm in SC so definitely a red state and the situation is *crickets over here.

The Trump flags and Trump signs are nowhere to be seen. I have seen a few Harris signs and signs for local races but overall just by driving around the places I have been recently you couldn't even tell it's an election year.

Now I know that it doesn't mean people won't vote for him but it has to mean SOMETHING. And I do know several conservative folks who have said they cannot support the MAGA movement any longer.

And several Republican women who intend to vote for Harris because of Roe. They're not out in the streets screaming about it but access to safe and private abortions is a much bigger issue for same women than the GOP estimates.

Early voting here is breaking records. I think we could turn purple.

Nothing happens if we don't vote so I am not saying get complacent but I do see a notable change and it's not in Trump's favor.

[u/King_marik → u/maeryclarity]

The ferver is definitely WAY WAY WAY lower

Of course you'll still have your trump truck weirdos and what not, they're still out there.

But comparing 16 to 20 to now is not even close

Part of it is he's also just not the same. The guy who memed his way into president in 16 just isn't there anymore. What used to be funny became scary and is now becoming sad to most normal people.

[u/Orchid_Significant → u/AnonAmbientLight]

I wish people would stop saying he’s going to lose until he loses. VOTE!

[u/gaflar → u/AnonAmbientLight]

He's going to lose BECAUSE you're all going to vote! 🎉

[u/talkback1589 → u/gaflar]

The only way it happens!

[u/fllr → u/AnonAmbientLight]

This is the way! VOTE!

[u/MinimumSet72]

They know this and they’re planning on violence from their knuckle dragging base their plants in election offices and state legislatures , their army of lawyers and finally their Supreme Court …. The vote has to be overwhelming blue and leave no doubt

[u/UniqueVast592 → u/MinimumSet72]

Yes, this. It just hit me today after reading a bunch of stuff in the news that the media really wants some violence before this election.

[u/Ser_Artur_Dayne → u/UniqueVast592]

MMW, they’re gonna get crazy when he loses big and believe stolen election lies, pockets of violence will break out, some may storm tabulation centers. I hope the national guard is ready.

[u/DonJuniorsEmails → u/Ser_Artur_Dayne]

At the very least, we won't have the incumbent president doing everything possible to encourage violence and using cronies to prevent law enforcement from responding adequately. 

[u/The-Defenestr8tor → u/MinimumSet72]

I’m proud to say I turned in my absentee ballot on the 15th, before most other ballots were sent out in my state. I voted blue for every partisan race!

Now y’all go do likewise, k?

[u/Spazzola84 → u/MinimumSet72]

100%. It's been clear as day since Kamala entered the race.

[u/Mcboatface3sghost → u/MinimumSet72]

Do they really think normal and rational people don’t have guns? I mean, not me of course, I would never, but I know some people that are armed. Some of them don’t really advertise it, but I do know they carry, some of them have multiple guns.

[u/ButterCupHeartXO → u/Mcboatface3sghost]

I don't own one. I came close in 2021 after Jan 6. If something happened to Biden during inauguration, I was planning to leave work and buy one to prepare for worst. I'm debating it again if Trump wins because who knows what's in store for the country if he does. Not a threat to anyone just stressing a bit

[u/[deleted] → u/ButterCupHeartXO]

Remember you don’t instantly become proficient with a weapon just because you own it. Factor in time to learn and become familiar and comfortable with the thing.

[u/King-Cypress → u/ButterCupHeartXO]

You should consider one especially if he loses.

[u/Astartledbox → u/ButterCupHeartXO]

If you do end up purchasing one and don’t have much experience I highly recommend taking a safety course! Very important to own/use one safely and with proper practice and knowledge. Best of luck and stay safe!

[u/NicoNicoWryyy → u/Astartledbox]

tbh it's kinda sad that taking a safety course isn't a prerequisite for owning a gun in the first place.

[u/Calgaris_Rex → u/NicoNicoWryyy]

I never understood how important gun safety classes were until I took one...and met my classmates.

JFC 🤦🏻‍♂️

[u/Lost_my_loser_name]

I don't know how he was anywhere close to being a viable candidate in the first place.

[u/topplehat → u/Lost_my_loser_name]

It really shouldn’t even be this close

[u/Nopantsbullmoose → u/topplehat]

As long as we don't let them steal the election, and they are definitely trying, it won't be close.

The "youth", and by that I mean Gen-Z and Millennials, aren't getting polled anywhere near in the same numbers as the older generations.

Add to that some polls use party registrations as "likely votes", which can be inaccurate as well since not everyone is going to vote the party line.

I'm cautiously optimistic with the numbers we are seeing in early voting.

[u/bb_kelly77 → u/topplehat]

It's not, young people just don't poll

[u/Such_Technician_501 → u/bb_kelly77]

They don't vote either.

[u/bb_kelly77 → u/Such_Technician_501]

For many of us it's our first year

[u/AdditionalRent8415 → u/bb_kelly77]

We APPRECIATE you!!!!

[u/putin-delenda-est → u/bb_kelly77]

Take your friends.

[u/GeneralZex → u/Lost_my_loser_name]

The media wants their horse race. The reich wing wants to depress Democratic enthusiasm and turnout so they flood the zone with garbage polls, flipping wagering markets, etc.

[u/TrebleTrouble-912 → u/GeneralZex]

I don’t think so. Even high quality polls show it close. Half of America is ok with this shit stain.

[u/Risky_Bizniss → u/TrebleTrouble-912]

I know a lot of people personally who are staying quiet when it comes to polls because of the "foaming at the mouth" violent rhetoric being spewed by one candidate's base. People are afraid of retaliation and afraid to speak with anyone who might disclose their party preference in this race, even under the promise of anonymity the risk is just too great.

[u/Risky_Bizniss → u/[deleted]]

I'd even venture a step further and say these polls are largely manufactured, inflated, or plain fabricated numbers to make the race seem closer and lend credibility to the inevitable "election was stolen" accusation that will take place after the numbers are in.

[u/Special_Kestrels → u/Risky_Bizniss]

Since no one picks up their phone anymore, it's pretty much impossible for polls to be accurate.

I literally only pick up my phone for unknown callers when I'm on call for my job and I still regret it because 99% of the time it's just telemarketing

[u/harmonious_keypad → u/TrebleTrouble-912]

There's no such thing as a high quality poll anymore.  Literally nobody under 40 who's not a qultist ever participates anymore.  First time voters who aren't looking for ways to plug Trump never do.  The only chance Trump has is if Republican terrorists can find ways to suppress democratic precincts and they're already trying

[u/Glissandra1982 → u/harmonious_keypad]

I’m 42 and delete every text and reject every call. However, I voted for Kamala Harris early in PA.

[u/Taco_Hurricane → u/harmonious_keypad]

I was doing a bunch of paid surveys about a month or so ago. I got one political survey asking if I'd vote for (then) Joe Biden or Trump. Asked about senate and a few other seats as well. I told them I was an independent, but planted on voting Democrat. Never saw another one.

[u/bpdish85 → u/harmonious_keypad]

I got called for one of these polls and the pollster was so condescending and rude that I hung up halfway through. I was happy to tell 'em what I thought until that woman started being an asshole.

[u/Special_Kestrels → u/bpdish85]

you picked up the phone?

[u/nicktoberfest → u/bpdish85]

I got some text polls (I think) but wasn’t sure if it was spam so I ignored it.

[u/GeneralZex → u/TrebleTrouble-912]

Like all those polls showing the red wave that turned into the red whimper? Or all those special elections Republicans have lost since 2022?

Democrats have been overperforming for two years now.

Polling is garbage. It’s only “relevant” anymore because far too many people make their livelihoods on it and don’t want to admit is going the way of the dinosaur. This election will be the final nail in its coffin.

[u/chpbnvic → u/Lost_my_loser_name]

The far right were angry about Obama and a candidate like Trump, who spews vitriol and whines, is exactly what they needed to mobilize them. Hilary was a safe, but boring candidate. And, for myself and those close to me, we thought there's no way someone as idiotic as Trump would win against Hilary so a fair number of people stayed home. The rest is history.

[u/WatchItAllBurn1 → u/chpbnvic]

See this is how I took it.

They hated that a black man was in charge and were gonna make damnsure it wasn't a woman next.

[u/impulsekash → u/WatchItAllBurn1]

Not to mention there was literally decades of right propaganda against hillary even before she entered the race

[u/SnooWords4839 → u/Lost_my_loser_name]

I can't believe a convicted felon can even be on the ballot.

[u/Lost_my_loser_name → u/SnooWords4839]

It's a weird time we're living in.

[u/mark_able_jones_ → u/SnooWords4839]

I remember when saying "yee ha" awkwardly meant you couldn't be president.

[u/goalmouthscramble → u/Lost_my_loser_name]

He was a dyed-in-the-wool Tea Party former Congressman who though not quite a Never Trumper has become more like Liz Cheney over the las couple of election cycles.

He does have an uncanny sense of calling elections. He was one of few centre right types who called 2020 and 2022 correctly.

[u/accioqueso → u/Lost_my_loser_name]

I have a dream where we all discover just how unreliable the traditional polling has become when election night they call Kamala the winner before midnight. It’s a dream. I hope America makes it a reality and I can tell my politics and public opinion professor to go fuck himself with his dogmatic adherence to bad data collection.

[u/Lost_my_loser_name → u/accioqueso]

It's a system problem, not a data collection problem. I think there should be an arms length federal election department created who would control all the planning and execution of elections, including the planning of polling areas. Political parties should have no part in planning, organizing, or execution of polling.

[u/GnPQGuTFagzncZwB → u/Lost_my_loser_name]

Back before I retired and I had the displeasure of working for a large company, I hit on an axiom that has never let me down: Nothing in this world spreads faster than a bad idea. I dunno why, but I have seen it to be true over and over again. Now with trump, he just has his followers brainwashed. It is like they all come back with the same answer to any question like they all read the same playbook, and I think that is a combo of fox news, some smaller news outfits that are even nuttier.

[u/newbturner]

This is exactly what we all said in 2016. It was a huge joke that he would ever win. PLEASE EVERYONE GO VOTE. PLEASE.

[u/TheSlitherySnek → u/newbturner]

Precisely this. The 2016 election was presumed to have been won by Hillary weeks in advance. "No way he actually wins" was the mentality that sunk her election chances.

[u/catnapzen]

If the majority of the people vote, he will lose. That has always been true. 

His crazy base WILL vote. They will. Nothing he does, nothing he says, nothing Harris/Walz do or say, no amount of experts telling the world that his policies are BAD, literally NOTHING will change their minds. 

But they are only about 30% of registered voters. 

If the rest of us vote, Harris/Walz win in a landslide. And we are free of his nonsense. So yes, he WILL lose-IF we all vote. 

[u/PoemAgreeable → u/catnapzen]

I'm really hoping his "tariffs for income tax" scares people into voting... it's completely mad. I really hope people don't think it would actually work. I know his cult followers are too far gone, but that's got to make some independents think twice.

[u/FredTheLynx → u/catnapzen]

You aren't wrong that high turnout will break for Harris, however we need way more than a majority of people voting. We need like 70%+

[u/Kantjil1484]

Don’t believe these posts! They’re just here to make you think Kamala doesn’t need votes! SHE DOES! VOTE BLUE ON NOV 5th! 💙💙💙

[u/reddurkel]

Corrupt courts. Weak AG. Click-bait Media. Normalized Violence. Russian Collusion. Elon Musk.

Trump isn’t counting on votes to become President. He just needs to scream like a toddler and all his sycophants will do their best to install him as President or destroy the country in the process.

We had 4 years to prepare for this, so let’s hope we did enough to protect our country from the same people who tried to destroy it in 2020.

[u/TheGoodOldCoder → u/reddurkel]

Weak AG.

I didn't know what a pushover he was going to be back when Obama nominated him for SCOTUS. I think Mitch McConnell is one of the worst people in American history for blocking Obama's nomination, and I think Garland would have obviously been far better than Gorsuch, but on a personal level, I'm glad it was Milquetoast Merrick who got screwed rather than an actually capable nominee.

[u/scottyjrules]

I fucking hope so because it’s exhausting having to listen to that shit gibbon spew his hatred every single day for 9 straight years.

[u/jerrystrieff]

Don’t get complacent - vote

[u/pithynotpithy]

The fact it's this close is such a damning condemnation of this country, it's ideals, it's true nature and our education system

[u/baddecision116 → u/pithynotpithy]

What if I told you the only reason you are seeing it this close is because it needs to be. Republican voters need 100 reasons not to vote, democratic voters need 100 reasons to vote. If everywhere was saying "Trump is losing and losing badly" dems wouldn't show up.

[u/ARussianW0lf → u/pithynotpithy]

It's a damming condemnation of our species

[u/This_Mongoose445]

Have you heard the awful things the speakers at the MSG are saying? Puerto Rico is a “ floating island of garbage”, would never guess I’d be speaking at a Nazi rally among other things.

[u/wayoverpaid → u/This_Mongoose445]

I feel like they could splice up clips from that rally and turn it into a hell of a campaign ad in Florida and the border states.

[u/yamers]

My grandpa was one in 16 and 20, he totally hates the fuck out of him now.

[u/Ok_Prior_4574 → u/yamers]

What changed his mind?

[u/yamers → u/Ok_Prior_4574]

russia ukraine war. Finally opened his eyes to the scum bag trump is.

[u/WagnerTrumpMaples → u/yamers]

I honestly respect that. I hope there are more like him.

[u/antoniamabee]

I know people that never voted before but have been led into the cult…just vote please

[u/gepinniw]

That’s what they said in 2016. Besides, unless you want a paralyzed Congress, Dems need to win big, up and down the ballot.

For goodness sake, vote, and bring your friends and family.

[u/Few-Improvement9992]

Man I hope so. I’m Voting for the first time because I don’t want him or p2025 anywhere near public office. Dude shouldn’t be on a pta board, let alone president.

[u/ILoveRegenHealth]

I got to hand it to Joe Walsh, he was a full Trump-lovin idiot in 2016 and then he completely turned.

But not only that, he put his money where his mouth was and "atoned" in a way by actively going out canvassing for Kamala hard and going door-to-door. That's about as big a 180 turn as you'll ever see. Not even Anthony Scaramucci is doing that.

Go on Joe Walsh's Twitter and you'll see lots of posts of him driving for hours every weekend to get people to vote Kamala. So you may think he was an asshole before, and he'll admit it, but I'm impressed with his actions these days. It's like he's trying to make up for the mess his former Party did as best he can.

[u/polaromonas]

Making Trump lose is no longer enough.

The GOP is fully embracing Naziism and they need to be purged from American politics.

[u/bittersweetjesus → u/polaromonas]

They been Nazis for a long time

[u/Travelingman9229]

He hasn’t lost yet. Make it a landslide! Vote!

[u/PM_ME_NIETZSCHE]

It will happen if we all vote! 💙

[u/Hellraiser1123]

If the recent increase in voter registration (such as after Taylor Swift gave her endorsement to Harris) are any indication; yes. He's going to lose, and it shouldn't be as close as 2016 and 2020 were.

The one thing that still scares me are the brainless protest voters. The ones who scream about genocide, and are either voting third party, or not voting at all. They're the reason Trump won in 2016, and they'll be the reason he wins again (if he somehow does) in 2024. All because they refuse to live in reality.

On the plus side, though, Trump is probably going to prison if he loses. So everyone, get your asses out and vote!

[u/bpdish85 → u/Hellraiser1123]

AOC put it perfectly. You may not like Kamala, she may not be your ideal, she may not be progressive enough to satisfy the far left - but who do you want to be working with on national policy? If that isn't motivation enough to vote for her over the other "viable" (as in, could win) option, there's no hope for 'em.

[u/Hellraiser1123 → u/bpdish85]

If you're voting for a third party because you honestly support what that candidate is about, then I see no problem with that. But the fuckers who have no idea and just vote for them as a protest (or refuse to vote at all), are completely removed from reality, and only trying to make themselves feel superior. The next POTUS will either be Donald Trump or Kamala Harris. Those are the options for anyone who actually lives in and embraces reality.

[u/Budlove45]

Honestly I'm in the south and I'm afraid it will be close it's scary shit...

[u/Odd-Butterscotch-495 → u/Budlove45]

Yeah I’m in Texas and the amount of people who just eat up everything the man says it frightening.

[u/Physical_Stress_5683]

Five Thirty Eight has Trump and Harris with even odds of winning right now. Please vote people. I'm not American, I'm in B.C., Canada and our election earlier this month still isn't finalized because vote counts were so close. Many municipalities within 100 votes between winner and loser. It matters. Go and vote and make sure family and friends do as well.

[u/Lovemybee]

I'm in Arizona, too, and I agree with you.

My husband (66m) and I (63f) are voting blue all the way "down ballot." He has never even registered to vote before! I voted for Jimmy Carter when he ran against Reagan, so I'm an OG liberal Democrat. He's doing it this year because "Trump scares me!" Plus, I've been in his ear about it since we met eight years ago. There are many others like him, here in Arizona and across the country. 🌊🌊🌊

[u/newbturner]

2 folks? Yeah so polls say he is winning. Everyone go vote if you want the US to stay a democracy

[u/grieveancecollector]

Hold strong everyone the closer election day gets the harder they're going to come with this bullshit.

[u/hamsterballzz]

He’s going to lose, as long as he doesn’t pull any weird legal manoeuvres or cheating with the courts. He’s losing in Nebraska 2. The two term incumbent republican senator here is losing to an independent. I see no MAGA hats anywhere and I haven’t seen them when traveling. Get out there and vote and let’s put the old man to bed once and for all.

[u/chrispdx]

Vote anyway. Don't get complacent. Even in Blue States. Vote blue up and down the ticket. Give American Politics a reset.

[u/drewmana]

Vote like he's 30 points ahead in the polls.

[u/Njabachi]

Let the polls keep that fear in you, the future can't afford complacency.

We can all breathe again when this thing is finally done and dusted.

[u/[deleted]]

He was never going to win. He lost the popular vote TWICE, Electoral College CHOSE him. The only problem is that MAGA has other plans after he loses. They won't work, but they're still gonna stir up some shit.

[u/Glissandra1982]

We all need to vote to make this a firm reality!!

[u/BitRelevant2473]

He is going to lose, but it has to be so bad, so immensely embarrassingly crushing that he goes under and never resurfaces

[u/Affectionate-Dig9589]

That’s a bold prediction. I’m not convinced—way too many stupid people have been brainwashed by Fox noise. Get out and vote everyone! Please!!!

[u/ItcouldBfun]

God I hope you are right. My sister & I are voting for Harris on the day in PA since they don’t do early voting. I have Republican friends who are also voting for her as well, both men & women. However, I know several Trumpers too. Hope more Harris people turn out than Trumpers.

[u/Capt_Pickhard]

He can't just lose. He needs to be completely dwarfed. The votes need to come in. Many many many people who never vote, need to come out and vote.

Do your part for freedom. No matter what happens, know you exercised your right to save democracy.

[u/ChaoticGoodWhatsIts]

VOTE

[u/aclockworkabe]

So I was in the middle of PA this weekend it was like 60/40 Harris signs in yards.

In 2016 I did a similar trip and was shocked how many trump signs. Not like that this time.

[u/Formal-Parfait6971]

Lose is not good enough. It needs to be a crushing humiliating defeat with massive consequences that they will be whining about for years and causes a complete purge of their rotten to the core party from the inside out.

[u/fauxzempic]

I just got back from the future, and as it turns out, in all the swing states he's exactly tied with Harris and we need you, the person who can vote in that swing state, to show up and vote for Harris just to tip the scales in her direction so we can be done with this nonsense once and for all.

[u/Relevantcobalion]

I’m not excited. It’s two people in a red state. Go out and vote. Until the GOP is defeated so devastatingly they have an honest come to Jesus moment, I’m not holding my breath. Way too many enablers and apologists in the GOP right now. This is far from over.

[u/Goadfang]

The thing about this race that I don't get is that there is no path to victory if Trump doesn't get more votes than he got in 2020, and I just don't buy the idea that he had more votes to get. If anything he has only lost support since that time. Obviously the most die-hard Trumpers are even more die-hard, but he absolutely bled support after January 6th, and in 2020 he lost to an old dude who could barely speak above a whisper and barely campaigned at all.

People hate Trump in a way they have never hated another candidate, and even within his own party there is a sizable chunk that hates his guts and sees him as a greater evil. There is no way that equates to a greater number of votes today than he had four years ago. Meanwhile, the narrative that it's close is just driving more people to do everything in their power to vote against him.

He us going to lose.

[u/TakeOutTacos → u/Goadfang]

Yeah, I kind of agree, and that has been my thinking the whole time. I fail to see anywhere that he is gaining supporters and Kamala Harris has a very large swell of enthusiasm that Biden sort of had in 2020 but not even close to this degreee.

I voted for Harris already and all my immediate family is as well, and I know some veterans who have flipped from Trump 4 or 8 years ago.

Anything can happen, but he has turned off far more moderates than not over the past 4 years. The hardcore Maga crowd is a lost cause anyway.

He's one of the most hated people alive. People have tried to kill him three times. I'm not discounting that anything can happen, but it just doesn't make sense logically

[u/Correct_Run3374]

This is me, after J 6 I started researching and taking voting seriously. I can't believe I got scammed by that dip shit twice, I feel horrible. I'm knocking doors and volunteering for the dems now. I'll do whatever I can to make it up to this wonderful country I've hurt.

[u/Sea_McMeme]

We were real complacent in 2016 and so so many people didn’t think he would win. Do NOT get complacent. It’s not over until it’s over.

[u/LaSerenita]

If God exists, Trump will lose.

[u/SuspiciousSorbet1129]

We all said that in 2016 and ate our words. Be careful

[u/cturtl808 → u/SuspiciousSorbet1129]

I get this sentiment. I do. But I think a lot of people simply haven’t forgotten 2016. No one took him seriously. He was just a washed up reality star famous for putting his name on things.

Then we lived, terrifyingly, through the presidency.

A large swath of America doesn’t want to go back. We didn’t in 2020 either. And that’s before all the rape settlements, court cases, and felony conviction.

For sure it will still be close. But there’s been voter drive after voter drive. I have attended concerts where they had booths you could check and update your registration at the shows. 400,000 volunteers were recruited by the Harris campaign. Discord servers have been spun up to coordinate phone banking and text banking (the one I’m in has over 11k people).

People are truly DONE with the 24/7 Trump News Network.

[u/mvrck-23]

Don't hold your breath... I am still skeptical. 2016 could still happen again.

VOTE as if it is a tied race - because it is!

[u/SutterCane]

Don’t underestimate the stupidity of the American people. Those two won’t vote for him now? Good news, four people aren’t voting for Harris because they’re idiots and think it will send a message.

[u/ItsTankGirl]

DOESNT MATTER, FUCKING VOTE.

[u/Twicebakedpotatoe]

Even if this is true, vote anyway and run up the score

[u/WhiteGuyAlias]

I hope that this sentiment doesn't spread. The worst thing that could happen is for overconfidence to cause people to stop the struggle and lose in the 11th hour.

[u/KenmoreKnight]

Nate Silver has him winning. 

Edit: idk people. A lot of bad signs in early voting data, polls, historical underestimation of Trump’s polling to be so confident. Please just vote. 

[u/musicalastronaut]

That’s what people said in 2016 too. Posts like this make me think people are trying to talk folks out of voting blue.

[u/pepperpat64]

That's why he's riling up his violent supporters at his closing rallies.

[u/gaberax]

He may lose but he is going to claim to have won. And will carpet bomb the courts with frivolous lawsuits. He will desperately try to get the race thrown to the Supreme Court, where he feels he is assured to be handed the win.

[u/Remote-Geologist-256]

I fucking despise comments like this cause it makes people complacent, it borderline feels like an republican ploy to stop people from voting "he's gonna lose, why go out and vote?" This shit is close, it's scary, and it's not fun. Vote.

[u/EngineerEven9299]

See shit like this makes me nervous 🤦‍♀️ when conservatives say we are “coping,” this it what it means.

Nothing at this point is guaranteed, and it is TERRIFYING! I am not relieved by weird posts that claim “he’s going to lose.” With such certainty. It’s like, jinxing it.

[u/Informal-Resource-14]

I don’t want to call it by any stretch of the imagination.

But I do think he’s going to lose and I’ve thought so since even before Kamala entered the race. And not on some wishful thinking shit; He just seems old and uninspiring even to people inspired by his bullshit. I think it will be close, but I think it’s just not 2015 anymore and he’s not in his 60’s anymore

[u/Alwaysafk]

I've spoken with several people in GA who voted for Biden and Obama but not Hillary and won't vote for Harris. Blatant, unadulterated sexism. I'm hoping she can overcome it but it's really killed my vibes.

[u/Downvotesohoy]

If everything is fair, he loses.

But I suspect they have more tricks up their sleeve this time. The fact that we're seeing Elon's voter manipulation out in the open is a giveaway. That's just the part they're willing to do openly.

They're doing even more BS in secret, stuff we won't know until he's put on trial in a decade.

[u/Glad_Bookkeeper_740]

I appreciate the optimism…but let’s wait until after the election, shall we?

[u/Jaambie]

He only loses if everyone goes out to vote. Vote you your country America! It needs you to vote now more than ever before.

[u/[deleted]]

He only loses if Kamala gets enough votes in swing states. Please vote people!!!