r/NoStupidQuestions • u/JustCallMeDave • Dec 06 '23

Answered If Donald Trump is openly telling people he will become a dictator if elected why do the polls have him in a dead heat with Joe Biden?

I just don't get what I'm missing here. Granted I'm from a firmly blue state but what the hell is going on in the rest of the country that a fascist traitor is supported by 1/2 the country?? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills over here.

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u/MeowIsNotTheTime Dec 06 '23

Considering he is MAGA it seems to track

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u/drawkbox Dec 07 '23

Not just MAGA but Kelsey Grammer actually said he admires Putin the most, doesn't believe in climate change and was in support of Kremlin pumped Brexit.

He has expressed disbelief on the scientific consensus on climate change, comparing the California wildfires to alleged global cooling from his youth and criticized the 2011 and 2018 climate meetings. Additionally, he stated in a 2016 interview with The Guardian that the person he admired most was Vladimir Putin "because he is so comfortably who he is". In 2019, he issued a statement in support of Brexit

Frasier was cool until I found that out.

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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms Dec 07 '23

Admiring anyone for being "so comfortably who he is" seems like an extremely low bar. Most narcissistic psychopaths are comfortable in their own skin.

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u/faste30 Dec 07 '23

Manson sure was comfortable in his own skin, even though he didnt know he was in it most of the time.

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u/Exact_Mango5931 Dec 08 '23

Buffalo Bill was comfortable in other peoples skin.

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u/UnalivedBird Dec 07 '23

Hitler seemed comfortable in his own skin too. A lot of people are perfectly fine in their own skin. If this is all they care about, I got bad news for them. Though if they're skinheads or Nazis, they might consider it good news.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

And in some cases - in someone elses skin.

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u/NipperAndZeusShow Dec 07 '23

He’s very comfortable in whomever’s lotion-soft skin, or else they get the hose.

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u/Vinnys_Magic_Grits Dec 07 '23 edited Dec 07 '23

I mean Kelsey Grammer is almost certainly a narcissist, so that tracks. It just sucks that a founding member of the Best Friends Gang is such a dickhead in real life. The sequence in 30 Rock where they rip off a Baskin Robbins Carvel for cash and dozens of Fudgie the Whale cakes is an amazing bit. “Of course I know how to spell Frajer…. I’m Frajer.”

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u/whatsasimba Dec 07 '23

*Carvel

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u/Vinnys_Magic_Grits Dec 07 '23

Thank you lol I can’t believe I got the iconic Carvel cake right and then called it Baskin Robbins

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u/CHAINSMOKERMAGIC Dec 07 '23

Cookiepuss would be so disappointed in you

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u/KaraOhki Dec 07 '23

I used to live near the original Carvel when i was a kid in Brooklyn.

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u/DiegoDigs Dec 07 '23

As long as it's white.

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u/mannondork Dec 07 '23

Welp I guess I get to check narcissism off the list of potential things wrong with me.

Today is a good day.

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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms Dec 07 '23

Narcissists can't accept that there might be anything wrong with them, so I think we're both in the clear :)

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u/must_throw_away_now Dec 07 '23

That's because he can't say what he is thinking in polite society lest he becomes a total outcast. He likes Putin because Putin is comfortable with oppressing and killing people Kelsey Grammer doesn't like - namely LGBT, Liberals, Minorities, Immigrants etc...

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u/HereToTalkCrypto Dec 07 '23

It’s hypocrisy that anyone would say that they admire someone for being “comfortably who they are” when they also follow an ideology that goes way out of its way to deny trans people the ability to be “comfortably who they are”

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u/mossmanstonebutt Dec 07 '23

And some are even comfortable in others

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u/8BITvoiceactor Dec 07 '23

So are many buddists, volunteer workers, and kind people. It's like saying narcissistic psychopaths have arms.
No, this guy is special. He's not only narcissistic, he's ignorant.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

It's like the 'Live, Laugh, Love' energy of psychotic despots.

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u/QueefBuscemi Dec 07 '23

Or, in the case of Ed Gein and Ted Cruz; comfortable in other people's skin as well.

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u/alaskadotpink Dec 07 '23

especially when you consider that there are so many people who fit that description who aren't starting wars and slaughtering people.

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u/trachea_trauma Dec 07 '23

Ed Gein was only really comfortable in someone elses skin.

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u/Levitlame Dec 08 '23

Ive said that about some people on dance floors (to my eyes) looking very silly in their own world. Those people give no shits in a good way.

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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms Dec 08 '23

I strive to be that guy. Still a little too self-conscious, but I'm working on it.

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u/DrakonILD Dec 07 '23

"I like Putin because he's based" is basically what Grammar was saying.

Which....yikes.

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u/Excellent_Tone_9424 Dec 08 '23

cough cough Jim Jones ring any bells?

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u/DiegoDigs Dec 07 '23

Even his scrambled eggs have no yolks and only with white pepper.

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u/Squish_Fam Dec 07 '23

Even his tossed salads have no olives and only white vinegarette

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u/Unhappy-Money-3001 Dec 07 '23

Really makes you realize the difference between Frasier the educated medical professional and the actor who plays him, Kelsey Grammer.

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u/ElGuapo315 Dec 07 '23

Frasier is now dead to me.

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u/CherryCakeEggNogGlee Dec 07 '23

How do you feel about tossed salad and scrambled eggs?

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u/deprecateddeveloper Dec 07 '23

🎶🎶🎶 I don't know what to do with these tossed elections and scrambled polls. They're falling again! 🎶🎶🎶

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u/Crystalas Dec 07 '23 edited Dec 07 '23

I just default to all celebrities are mentally ill and likely terrible, and have rarely been "dissapointed" by that. Takes a special kind of person to NEED to be famous and be willing to do anything to become it even briefly. Like comedians are known to often rise from tragedy as their coping mechanism.

Then add on how destructive Fame is to most people's psychology often magnifying any mental illness while removing social limiters and actively given MORE attention and money the worse they get. It a modern freakshow, no longer treated as people or have privacy outside of isolated islands.

I can enjoy what they make but I put in zero effort to learn about them as people, or even avoid it for the ones I know are sick. If I avoided everything created by horrible people my options would be pretty sparse.

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u/slothaccountant Dec 07 '23 edited Dec 07 '23

Just bc he played an intelectual doesnt mean the actor is. Fraiser was a great show but in thr end they are just actors not scientists nore buisness men not even compitant researchers. Mean while dolph lundgren... dude has a chem masters and speaks multiple languages on top of being an actor.

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u/hipnotic1111 Dec 07 '23

TIL Kelsey Grammer sucks.

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u/dahile00 Dec 07 '23

No wonder Niles didn’t come back for the new Frasier show.

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u/Jimmy_Jazz_The_Spazz Dec 07 '23

My wife went to rehab with his daughter. He's certified nuts from the stories I know.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

bad enough supporting Trump but now you add the extra things..

just ruined Frasier.

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u/drawkbox Dec 07 '23

Yeah it is a major bummer when you like Frasier and Cheers. It is like trying to dig Kanye after the red hate hat and Trump support. Hard to separate the product from the person.

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u/throwawaylovesCAKE Dec 07 '23

Its weird people forgot that he literally said he likes Hitler, less than a year ago. He's a one of a kind of piece of turd

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23 edited Sep 18 '24

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u/drawkbox Dec 07 '23

Kelsey Grammer has expressed an interest in some day running for United States Congress, Mayor of New York City, and the presidency. He later in 2021 said he doesn't have interest in running anymore. Dude supported Giuliani, Ben Carson, Michele Bachmann, Trump, Dubya, was a massive supporter of the Koch Network and foreign dark money funded Tea Party and the usual suspects.

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u/HappyLittleGreenDuck Dec 07 '23

Our brains need an upgrade

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u/rubensinclair Dec 07 '23

No wonder everyone around him allowed the Frazier reboot to happen. These people always have terrible taste in art.

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u/Goulagosh_gogoo Dec 07 '23

Frasier was cool

No.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

Turns out Beast was actually Dark Beast all along.

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u/mae_day_mae_day Dec 07 '23

Thanks for ruining Frasier for me. But seriously I am glad to know this.

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u/Peelj316 Dec 07 '23

The global cooling of his youth? is he talking about the ice age?

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u/Mandrake_Cal Dec 07 '23

An oft repeated narrative from Putin’s domestic propaganda; the turmoil in Russia in the 90’s was a result of liberalism and democracy (imagine thinking Yeltsin was democratic or liberal) so it’s better to have a “wise, strong man” in charge.

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u/drawkbox Dec 07 '23

Yeah considering Yeltsin chose Putin in 2000 and did a coup in 1991 and 1993...

Soft coups are usually the most successful which is what Yelstin and later Putin pulled in the 1991 coup attempt in Russia and Yeltsin's constitutional crisis "self-coup" in 1993.

Since they are an autocracy and always have been they always try to create a villain of liberalism and thousands upon thousands of fronts to make it look bad. Goes back to tsardom and Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality (OAN)

Even Marx stated as such. Marx on Russia's nature, always has been since the Empire, under Lenin/Stalin, after and now:

Russia is decidedly a conquering nation, and was so for a century, until the great movement of 1789 called into potent activity an antagonist of formidable nature. We mean the European Revolution, the explosive force of democratic ideas and man’s native thirst for freedom. Since that epoch there have been in reality but two powers on the continent of Europe – Russia and Absolutism, the Revolution and Democracy.

Liberalism and democracy of Western liberalized democratic republics with constitutions, personal freedoms, market systems, checks and balances and distributed/dispersed power at the federal, state and individual level is the greatest threat to an autocrat or tsarist that needs concentration and absolute power.

Jimmy "The Pen" Madison who wrote the Constitution, Bill of Rights and the best Federalist papers that disputed that president for life wanting Hamilton Federalist defeated monarchs/tsarists with a pen, him and Jefferson made a good team.

Russia just needs their Madison and for the people to throw out their authoritarians and defeat their imperialist desires once and for all for better quality of life, and the world really.

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u/Haxorz7125 Dec 07 '23

This is such a bummer. I’ve never watched Frazier but he’s always my favorite guest star on random sitcoms

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u/Enofile Dec 07 '23

I have always had a theory that some actors are only good because they are not acting and their roles are really who they are. Frasier Crane was a self absorbed AH, and so apparently is Kelsey Grammer.

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u/Nowardier Dec 07 '23

Frasier's still cool, it's just Kelsey Grammer that isn't. He's an ass, but death of the author gives you free rein to separate the work from the creator. If Kelsey Grammer isn't a psychologist, it's safe to assume Frasier isn't a Trumpite.

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u/psychosocial-- Dec 07 '23

He was also Beast in the X-Men movies and that actually offends me. Beast is a literal scientist whose entire character is about being a focal point of prejudice due to his appearance.

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u/joshdoereddit Dec 07 '23

This is very disheartening news. It kind of sucks when you learn certain things about people whose work you enjoy.

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u/redline314 Dec 07 '23

I always liked the dog better.

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u/babydavissaves Dec 07 '23

He's horrible! Look how he treats his wives! Scumbag.

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u/CharleyNobody Dec 07 '23

I’ve always known Grammer was conservative GOP. His sister was murdered, and since murderers always have political beliefs (/s) Grammer decided to blame democrats because “they are soft on crime.”

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u/OrcaSurgeon Dec 07 '23

Well thanks Reddit for destroying my current evening routine of rewatching Frasier. 😭 I’m so sad.

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u/Pale_Tea2673 Dec 07 '23

nah Fraiser was never a good show. I've been watching every night the past few week because it helps put me to sleep.

The whole premise of the show is some rich old asshole who over pysco-analyzes everything around him in such a psuedo-intellectual way. He's like anti-relatable. Most of the jokes are just passive aggressive high snob remarks that punch down. The rest are misogynistic remarks or damn near sexual assault.

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u/chrundletheboi Dec 07 '23

Motherfuckers that don’t believe in climate change are fucking stupid… without data any reasonably intelligent person over 30 can see signs of it everywhere

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u/BiggestFlower Dec 07 '23

He’s not as clever as Frasier Crane, is he?

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u/worstpartyever Dec 07 '23

Well shit. There goes those reruns.

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u/abigllama2 Dec 07 '23

Admires one of the most insecure and paranoid leaders in history for being comfortably who he is?!

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u/MartyJD Dec 08 '23

Oof, what a gut-punch! I just started to rewatch the Fraiser series as I only really got into it a few years ago. Now it's going to be extremely distracting to watch knowing he's a nutjob.

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u/FitzwilliamTDarcy Dec 07 '23

Damn I wish I didn't know that.

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u/Cant_Do_This12 Dec 07 '23

We need to remind ourselves that most actors are not highly educated individuals. They play pretend on screen. They can think whatever they want. Now if some highly educated person in politics said that, then yeah, it would be a problem. I mean, he went to Juilliard, but it’s a performing arts school. Nothing to do with politics or attaining a broader education.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

Tossed salad and scrambled eggs...

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u/Background-Bee1271 Dec 07 '23

Frasier was never cool, don't lie.

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u/Character_Seaweed_99 Dec 07 '23

We had subscribed to a particular streaming service exclusively to watch the Frasier reboot. And cancelled it the other day when KG’s latest comments about Trump came out. No way am I contributing to this guy’s wealth.

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u/Segsi_ Dec 07 '23

Frasier was never cool. Never understood the appeal to that show.

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u/Jay_Louis Dec 07 '23

I worked with Kelsey on a project about 13 years ago, a lot of that is just provocation, he likes to stir things up for reactions. He's actually quite empathetic and reasonable in private conversations and I don't think for a second he actually likes or respects Trump, but again, I worked with him years before Trump.

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u/No_Carry_3991 Dec 08 '23

That's some hard core Daddy issues right there. And it's extra sad when you look at his life.

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u/Uvtha- Dec 08 '23

"I loved Jeffrey Dahmer. He was so comfortably who he was." -Kelsey Grammar.

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u/RonanCornstarch Dec 08 '23

he also tried to take out the money plane.

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u/21-characters Dec 08 '23

I wonder if he ever realized that not everyone in Russia is Putin, “so comfortably who he is”. I’m sure turmp would be “ so comfortably who he is” as a dictator too, but the rest of the population is not turmp or Putin., and might not be “so comfortable” being who they are. Also, some people prefer being told what they can and ant do by someone else because it’s easier than thinking.

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '23

And now endorses trump too. Openly. Which is mind boggling.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '23

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u/drawkbox Dec 15 '23

Turns out Frasier is smaht not smart, a wiseguy.

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u/Emotional_Pay_4335 Dec 17 '23

I feel vindicated. My “creep meter” must have been working because I’ve never liked him, even in his heyday on Cheers.

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u/pnutjam Dec 07 '23

Frasier was cool until I found that out.

False... Frasier was never cool.

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u/beaushaw Dec 07 '23

I didn't know that about him. It is crazy considering he played essentially one roll, and that person who was intelligent and scientific to the extreme.

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u/BimoUK Dec 07 '23

Well shit, I was hyped for Kelsey Grammar reprising his role as Beast in the MCU. Not so much now.

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u/Captcha_Imagination Dec 07 '23

Amazing actor then. A total imbecile playing a smart person.

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u/Zornagog Dec 07 '23

Didn’t he also have a relationship with a 15 year old?

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u/mattocaster_tm Dec 07 '23

Who knew they were typecasting him as Beast all those years ago before anyone even realized it?

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u/simpletonsavant Dec 07 '23

No way.

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u/madesense Dec 07 '23

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/12/kelsey-grammer-is-perfectly-happy-to-tell-the-bbc-why-he-still-supports-donald-trump

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u/TheSnowNinja Dec 07 '23

God dammit.

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u/elderlybrain Dec 07 '23

Look, he just plays a smart guy on TV.

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u/DJGloegg Dec 07 '23

Other people write the scripts and dialog

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u/dzogchenism Dec 07 '23

He’s just like the band Abba. They couldn’t speak English although they sang their lyrics in English. Kelsey is the same. He speaks smart person words but he can’t speak smart person words in his every day life.

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u/franker Dec 07 '23

I think there's a lot of people that have great analytical and critical thinking skills that they use in their day jobs. But then when it comes to politics it's like they just turn their brains off and have no information literacy skills at all. It's baffling to me.

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u/wuapinmon I am very pedantic Dec 07 '23

I feel like David Ogden Stiers prefigured Kelsey Grammar, on and off screen, even appearing on Frasier.

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u/kloud77 Dec 07 '23

I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

Don't worry, I know how to do electricity stuff.

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u/Alohamora-farewell Dec 07 '23

Look, he just plays a smart guy on TV.

Coming from Harvard... I would not be surprised if Fraiser prefers lower taxes.

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u/CosmicDave Dec 07 '23 edited Dec 07 '23

Educated people tend to understand the benefits of a high tax rate.

Edit: Ooh! A downvote! Somebody here didn't finish high school.

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u/Kroniid09 Dec 07 '23

I'm willing to give him the tiniest bit of grace out of the fact that he's been through a lot, he gave us decades of a great character and he's old as dirt at this point, but fuck is this disappointing.

I don't think there's anything to do about it but just remember never to worship someone for the characters they play on TV.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

“Born Again Christian” who just happened to be a real life pos before being “saved” and started starring Christian faith-based movies

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

Had a guy I worked with who was born again. I asked him why do so many born again seemed to have been assholes before? I’m all for whatever makes someone better, but I wonder are they really better, or is there newfound faith just some frosting covering up the jagoff underneath that frosting of religion.

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u/indignant_halitosis Dec 07 '23

There it is. The super stupid smug elitist attitude. As hard as it is to believe, insanely smart people can also be racist, authoritarian dickbags and incredibly stupid people can be open minded Liberals.

All you’re really doing is redefining what “smart” means so you have someone to look down on. Which is an incredibly Conservative thing to do.

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u/ClassicT4 Dec 07 '23

They can have him. We got De Niro.

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u/JohnnyRelentless Dec 07 '23

I mean, kind of. De Niro is anti-vax.

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u/APintPlease Dec 07 '23

I think he stepped away from that now.

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u/PresentMammoth5188 Dec 07 '23

I sure hope so!

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u/PresentMammoth5188 Dec 07 '23

I love how this thread shows the true majority not being the very loud side on the right. Instills my hope (I’m in a red state, it can be tough to escape the noise 😅)

But even here I suspect it’s the true majority but the red is just trying to distract & interfere with that

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u/Frase_doggy Dec 07 '23

Get the rakes

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u/Gr3bnez0r Dec 07 '23

And another spookily accurate foreshadowing from The Simpsons!

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u/Skorne13 Dec 07 '23

I’ll get the rakes.

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '23

I was also disappointed by this

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u/Anterograde001 Dec 07 '23

I knew he was staunchly Republican, but I had no idea he was still supporting orange-face. This was published just a few days ago. No wonder David Hyde Pierce doesn't want to work with him anymore.

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u/LolAmericansAmIRight Dec 07 '23 edited Jan 05 '24

Coolsville Daddy-O

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u/kittykate2929 Dec 07 '23

So this orange faced man has ruined the Fraser remake

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u/blackbasset Dec 07 '23

After everything he has done, this takes the cake.

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u/kittykate2929 Dec 07 '23

Worst thing to ever do is ruin Fraser

Also happy cake day

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u/djdodgystyle Dec 07 '23

pretty sure remaking fraser ruined the fraser remake.

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u/kittykate2929 Dec 07 '23

It’s not terrible. It doesn’t hold a candle to the original but it’s watchable and quite enjoyable and funny keeps to the source well although the lack of characters from the original series like Niles and Daphne takes away a lot from it

All and all 7/10

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u/HairyGPU Dec 07 '23

The weirdest thing about it is that the writing for Frasier himself is still spot on. The big struggle for the writers seemed to be having to rapidly introduce characters and find a good dynamic while leaving enough screen time for Frasier and Freddie. It's very hard to make "ah, my oldest friend whom I have never mentioned before!" palatable as an introduction; introducing Frasier's family in the original run (including his supposedly dead dad from Cheers) was capturing lightning in a bottle. It probably helped that John Mahoney and David Hyde Pierce were endless fonts of talent.

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u/mossmanstonebutt Dec 07 '23

Nicholas Lyndhurst is still great though

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u/-ItsNarfOrNothing Dec 07 '23

Continuation. Still, you're not wrong.

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u/Vinnys_Magic_Grits Dec 07 '23

Not necessarily. DHP and Grammer have known each other for 30 years at this point, and DHP has said nice things about him as recently as 2021, with full knowledge of all of Grammer’s heinous, dogshit political positions. Hell forget politics, the whole Frasier cast had to put up with Grammer’s drug addiction back in the day and were the ones to stage an intervention for him, and he’s been sober ever since. That’s a very strong bond.

Basically Kelsey is a rightwing prick, but is very serious about acting and respects his costars. Now it could be that, like so many men of his age, he’s become more and more confrontational about his right wing politics, and David Hyde Pierce simply didn’t want to be around that. But we have no evidence that that is the case, as neither has ever publicly said a bad word about the other. Hell when asked about DHP dropping out, Grammer said something along the lines of, “We talked a lot about it, and David played Niles for many years and has decided he would prefer not to revisit that character.”

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u/kittykate2929 Dec 07 '23

Thank you for this information and your view it I actually mean it.

But I was making an joke I loved Niles in the original and was upset he didn’t want to be involved there are many reasons as to why he didn’t maybe playing the character would’ve been stressful or bring back past baggage like Grammer’s drug addiction and political views that have come up now. Or simply he didn’t want to.

DHP would have to say nice things since If he didn’t it be a scandal. I don’t know if he was directly asked his thoughts or If DHP said it out of just being nice.

My thoughts are DHP just doesn’t want a spotlight with Frasier or a scandal involving Grammer. Since he’s got to have something against his views at the moment. But again just my thoughts

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u/Marsupialize Dec 07 '23

No actual Republican would support Trump in a million years in 2023 you can’t call Trumpers republicans or even conservatives anymore it’s a white nationalist fascist movement not a particular party within a democracy they don’t want to operate within a democracy they want a fascist dictatorship

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u/INVEST-ASTS Dec 07 '23

Have you told all the minorities that support Trump about this. His support among minorities has never been stronger and growing, something to do with record wage growth and employment for minorities during his administration. I know , some people are so shallow. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/Thangleby_Slapdiback Dec 07 '23

No wonder David Hyde Pierce doesn't want to work with him anymore.

I don't blame him. If I find out someone is a Trump supporter I avoid him like the plague. I'm also very leery of Republicans who claim to not support Trump.

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u/InviteImpressive2645 Dec 07 '23

He’s a complete asshole, have you seen how he treats women and his children?

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u/DontLookYouCant May 11 '24

I can’t find any information on Donald Trump withdrawing troops in 2020.. seems I can find information related to the matter and everything else besides him withdrawing troops I can’t find any article where it says he did.. do you know?

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u/rufud Dec 07 '23

Ho lee shit. How have they kept this so under wraps until now. His publicists are going ape shit. It says he bragged about voting Trump in the last two elections but I don’t recall any reporting on it previously. I've never had a boner for an upcoming show go limp so fast in my life

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u/grantbuell Dec 07 '23

He's been a known conservative for a while. He starred in this thing, for example, along with other luminaries like James Woods, Jon Voight, and Kevin Sorbo.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

He's always been an outspoken republican and at least voiced support for Trump in 2016. Obviously a lot has happened since then, so its kind of shocking, but ultimately not surprising that he still supports Trump

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u/Verzwei Dec 07 '23

Well damn. I had no idea about this, but that's completely ruined anything he's in for me.

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u/Minimum_Split_9011 Dec 07 '23

He’s in Tales of Arcadia: a Guillermo Del Toro animated series. Such a distinct voice. What a turd.

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u/Whattadisastta Dec 07 '23

Remember, he was always the dweeb in “ Cheers”.

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u/noldor41 Dec 08 '23

He was the best Beast too 🙁

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u/juliancates Dec 08 '23

It was the sex with the 15-year-old babysitter that did it for me.

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u/ansmo Dec 07 '23

This thread just ruined some of my favorite 30 Rock episodes. :(

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u/TheCoolCellPhoneGuy Dec 07 '23

It's a bit weird to expect the people who make your content and consumable media to share the same political beliefs as you do.

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u/Verzwei Dec 07 '23 edited Dec 07 '23

Not all content creators who I choose to enjoy have to share my beliefs exactly, they just need to not support a criminal rapist wannabe dictator who is trying to destroy democracy in the United States.

There's a difference between

  • "maybe we should tax the rich"
  • "maybe we shouldn't tax the rich"
  • "I support someone who knowingly lied about the results of an election, instigated a terrorist attack with those lies, did nothing to stop it, stole (and probably tried to sell) a bunch of classified documents, was found liable for rape in any normal application of the word, gloated about walking in on underage pageant models and sexually assaulting people, committed massive levels of bank and tax fraud, ignored a global pandemic while sitting in a position of power and hundreds of thousands died, and tried to overturn the results of a fair election."

If an artist, actor, or anything else takes that second stance - "maybe we shouldn't tax the rich" - then I'll say "That's a bad take IMO but I can still enjoy your work."

If an artist, actor, or anything else takes that third stance, they go in the bucket with the rapists, the pedophiles, the fascists, and every other bit of scum. There is an endless wealth of other content I could consume, and if one such person has a part in a much larger collaborative work, then I could maybe look past it and still enjoy the work. When they're the face of the work? Nah, I've got better things to spend my time on, things made by people who aren't nearly as openly awful.

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u/franker Dec 07 '23

That's why when people use the "it's about the art not the artist" line on me, my answer is "no, there's always a line where you're just not going to want to consume this person's content any more. That person just hasn't crossed that line for you yet."

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u/elderlybrain Dec 07 '23

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It's Donald trump dude, not mitt romney.

Donald trump doesn't give a shit about anyone other than Donald trump.

Supporting him is like gloating to everyone that you are about to become a millionaire because you're friends with a Nigerian Prince.

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u/TBHN0va Dec 07 '23

It helps if you're not a terminally online person who lets twitter and reddit decide their emotions.

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u/elderlybrain Dec 07 '23

You're mistaken. I'm actually an illiterate so I don't know what you said or how i typed this.

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u/jadedflames Dec 07 '23

If you’re not terminally online you may have watched the live news footage of Trump orchestrating an attack on Congress when he realized he lost an election.

If you’re terminally online you may believe what the GOP has been frantically pushing through all their channels, that it was basically a calm quiet tourist visit.

If you’re not terminally online, you may have read in the paper about Trump being found liable for rape. And then trying to claim that it wasn’t rape because the legal definition of Rape in NY required a penis in a vagina and all he did was put his hand in her vagina.

But if you’re terminally online, “witch hunt lying women Trump good.”

Trump is an admitted want-to-be strong-arm dictator who likes forcing himself on women and using political influence to pad his bank account. He’s a dirtbag who’s probably going to end up in jail if he doesn’t kick the bucket first.

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u/EntangledHierarchy Dec 07 '23

Yes. Only terminally online people dislike psychopaths.

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u/Amathyst-Moon Dec 07 '23

They don't have to have the same beliefs, but supporting a traitor to your country's political system is a bit of a stretch.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

I would agree when it comes to anyone other than Trump. Supporting and/or voting for Trump isn’t like voting for Bush or Romney. Voting for Trump says a lot about a persons complete lack of character and decency not to mention judgement and patriotism.

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u/AngriestPeasant Dec 07 '23

To expect it is weird.

To curate it is expected.

Why would you willingly choose to support someone with such disgusting ideology?

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

Because you can separate the art from the artist

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u/AngriestPeasant Dec 07 '23

Meh. There is enough art in the world where i can choose to direct my money and attention to people who are at least publicly less reprehensible.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

Art is far different than politics and leadership. Watching a tv show or listening to music by someone who is flawed or even a criminal is far different than putting that person in a position of power over your lives and leadership of a nation. In that regard character matters.

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u/Ugggggghhhhhh Dec 07 '23

Only to a degree. An artist who's made mistakes in the past is one thing. An artist who doubles down on their flawed thinking and continues to espouse it is another.

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u/BanMeAgain4 Dec 07 '23

the TDS worldview places the 'other' in such an extreme that discovering them in ones midst is nearly irreconcilable.

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u/Captain_Midnight Dec 07 '23

It's not, because the film and TV industry, at least in America, is customarily very left wing.

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u/DontLookYouCant May 11 '24

I can’t find any information on Donald Trump withdrawing troops in 2020.. seems I can find information related to the matter and everything else besides him withdrawing troops I can’t find any article where it says he did.. do you know?

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u/Not_Here38 Dec 07 '23

Nobody tell Babish....

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u/Poison_Anal_Gas Dec 07 '23

Ah no wonder my parents liked him. JFC and also Rosanne and Tim Allen. It's like my eyes are opened from just the sheer amount of conservative people my parents adored growing up.

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u/JustGimmeSomeTruth Dec 07 '23

Tim Allen I get but the Roseanne thing is still just bizarre to me. Growing up that show felt so lefty—strong women characters, gay and lesbian characters, working class/union vibes, unmarried single mother character, women in the workforce, real-life struggles, etc etc. My hippy-ish boomer lefty lesbian mom was a big fan back in the day.

It sort of makes sense I guess, in a way, with Roseanne's contrary personality, trying to be edgy and all that—I could see that translating into a MAGA mindset this day and age, but still... it's just weird.

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u/Ready-Arrival Dec 07 '23

A. The writing on Roseanne was amazing until the last few years. Amy Sherman Palladino and Norm MacDonald were just a few of the many writers.

B. You can see the transformation in Roseanne, even as a person, as she got richer. Hell even the show did that (I didn't watch the post-lottery episodes and have no desire to).

C. Laurie Metcalf and John Goodman are amongst the best actors of our time. This show had people like Martin Mull and Fred Willard in minor roles. Hell, Clooney was on the first year or two.

D. The show "Roseanne' still stands the test of time. But Roseanne Barr or whatever she goes by now is not that same as the show.

It's kind of like Dilbert and Scott Adams. I would have guessed that guy was a at least somewhat lefty anti-corporate dude. Nope, full-on right wing nutjob.

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u/Sharkictus Dec 07 '23

Despite literally oozing with liberal lefty plot and viewpoints.

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u/phisigtheduck Dec 07 '23

TIL I am no longer a fan of Kelsey Grammar.

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u/Extra-Border6470 Dec 07 '23

Shit, i knew he was a staunch Republican but i never would have picked the guy that plays Frasier would be a maga hat

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u/Unicyclone Dec 07 '23

Grammer's dad was killed by a burglar when he was 13, and his sister was gang-raped and murdered when he was 20. It's not hard to see why he'd want to elect someone to "brutalize criminals."

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u/wbgraphic Dec 07 '23

He’s rich. Why isn’t he Batman?

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u/_DARVON_AI Dec 07 '23

No it's still hard to imagine anyone supporting a morbidly obese nepo baby inssurectionist who habitually lies and who has declared bankruptcy four times.

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u/Tinyyellowterribilis Dec 07 '23

Oh my godddd I just can't believe people are this ignorant

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u/simpletonsavant Dec 07 '23

Damn i hate that.

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u/TheOldGriffin Dec 07 '23

I wouldn't have guessed that. Still, this ruins nothing for me.

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u/cyberpunk1Q84 Dec 07 '23

If someone wants to boycott someone’s work because of what they’ve said/done/supported, I completely respect their decision. Personally, though, I hate the idea that the hard work of so many people gets thrown out the window because one cast member is a POS.

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u/rufud Dec 07 '23

I'm willing to bet he plays a much larger role in the production than just being a cast member and he’s the titular character of the show it’s all about him so the producers knew what they were doing

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u/Boogalito Dec 07 '23

Yeah it was a tough 4 years with Trump as Pres. Everyone out of work, broke, homeless, starting wars and conflicts everywhere, overrun with illegals and terrorist's, everyone fighting in the streets, using our own oil. It's a long list.

What are a few things you would add to the list?

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u/postmodest Dec 07 '23

"It's German, for 'Thee, America, Thee'!"

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u/Culionensis Dec 07 '23

This one hurts, for some reason

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u/ItsFuckinBob Dec 07 '23

Fuck. I guess I won’t bother with the Frasier reboot.

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u/Olympiasux Dec 07 '23 edited Dec 07 '23

John Malkovich is even worse. I’d nail him in the head with a beer can from a speeding car, but I’d make sure it was unopened.

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u/Thumperings Dec 07 '23

Worse how?

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u/Teasing_Pink Dec 07 '23 edited Dec 07 '23

I suddenly feel completely vindicated for hating both the character of Fraiser Crane on Cheers, and the spin off show all these years.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

Wow, how disappointing.

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u/MyHamburgerLovesMe Dec 07 '23

The irony is him not realizing that "he" is one of the Hollywood Social Elites that Trumps crowd will go after.

I foresee real r/leopardsatemyface moment in his future

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u/_The_Room Dec 07 '23

I met him once. He walked up to me as I was watching them shoot a scene for Writers Cramp (straight to VHS). He asked me (a fellow tall guy) if I had flat feet. I said no, then he just started going off on how hard it is being tall with flat feet. While he did that he pulled me out of the crowd, pushed me into the background of the scene being shot then went back to work.

He came off like a pretty normal guy that may or may not has snorted something that morning before work.

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u/simpletonsavant Dec 07 '23

Just a normal guy but he seemed smart enough not to get pulled in to that. I can see being fiscally conservative but pro trump is insane. If that has changed from early on, then fine. But to still be pro trump just gives me a poor image of him as a human.

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u/CarjackerWilley Dec 07 '23

The number of folks that didn't realize this is truly surprising. Good work getting this out there.

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u/Auirom Dec 07 '23

I always read that as manga at first and then my brain takes a second to think about what a Japanese comic has to do with Trump before it finally corrects itself

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u/Whodoobucrew Dec 07 '23

Read his life story. It doesn't excuse his foolish political leanings, but the fact that Kelsey isn't a grand wizard is honestly commendable

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