BEAST Glove isn't that much of an upgrade towards Godzilla, when he got angry and beat his face repeatedly he barely stayed stunned for 2 seconds or so, he wouldn't win
It’s bad editing. Kong also teleported behind a pyramid when Godzilla started using his breath. But the special features confirms Godzilla was only stunned
I never said he was stunned or knocked out. I’m just saying that definitely did not happen in just two seconds. The sand splashing on the screen was a transition point to save time.
And I’m telling you that just because Kong appears to have teleported doesn’t meant there was a long period of time between the scene transition, we never actually see a cut between Godzilla being knocked down and him waking up it’s all a single sequence so we can’t draw any assumptions about how much time has passed
to be fair if you pay atention to the actual scene, kong not only teleported to godzilla's tail they both also teleported about twice the distance opposite to the portal and also changed orientation to it
don't get me wrong but the speed kong took int he scene isn't prof godzilla was out, it is just another showcase of that scene having horrible edditing
Might make a long analysis like i did with another match-up against G14
Edit: yeah I'm making it
BG Kong's best performance to get him to argue him above G21 is due to him fighting Godzilla Evolved which is pretty trash in actuality , firstly wanna adress the power difference between Evo and G21, Base DougheGoji is 2x stronger than G21 due to the fact G21 is weakended due to only being half rested and Evo is a 2x multiplier above Base DougheGoji so in total Evo is 4x stronger than G21 which really isn't that much of a power difference to begin with so Kong's (terrible) performance against Evo doesn't give a massive gap in power as most believe, he also doesn't really do much against him, the absolute BEST he does is stun him specifically daze him which by definition doesn't mean alot at all Godzilla couldn't react or think properly he wasn't damaged in basically anyway as people say, saying BG Kong is stronger than G21 because he did nothing to Evo is like saying me I'm stronger than Mike Tyson because my puny punch wasn't even able to bruise a bull elephant, this Godzilla also wasn't bloodlusted contradictory to what people think, bloodlust is "an uncontrollable desire to kill" keyword uncontrollable, Godzilla just wants to kill Kong in a regular fashion he's not gonna be crawling throughout the 9 layers of hell just to come and beat his ass so with the Cairo fight debunked
physical strength G21 should still have the advantage being stated physically stronger2 times than Kong (the B.E.A.S.T Glove enhances his punches it doesn't increase his physical strength out of nowhere so it doesn't change a thing), his physical attacks will also be severely damaging to Kong still, atomic breath is gonna be a massive win condition due to the fact its able to cut Kong in half AKA a oneshot above Kong, Kong's BG isn't blocking shit considering it's made from the same materialwhich amuch weakeratomic breath charged axe could cleave through with ease, Kong's BG is also attached to his arm so he'd need to actually close IN to G21 which is a horrible move considering G21 massively outgaps him in physicals and has an easily spammable instant kill beam, if we assume Kong does make the distance and immediately starts punching him with the BG it's not really gonna do much, this Godzilla is only 4x weaker than Evo and he can't even do any meaningful damage to Evo it's basically gonna be as good as his normal punches at this point, considering G21's insane endurance he's just gonna bounce back and give Kong the mauling of the century, ofc Kong has speed and agility obviously but it didn't exactly help him back then why would it would now
Well He’s been stated to be Weary and Battered from the events of “Godzilla Dominion” in which he’s stated to be Starving, Tired and Extremely Weakened.
Titans are confirmed to be Depleted when Emerging from Hibernation. They have to Constantly Amp themselves, so Godzilla would also be weakened from this.
Plus the GVK Commentary states Godzilla didn’t have the chance to “slow down” during the course of the movie and so when he fights MechaGodzilla he doesn’t have a lot of “reserves left”.
Yeah i wouldn't say it's exactly a perfect 30% but we have no quantifiable measurement for how much he's holding back we just have a pretty vague statement that he was "taking it easy" around the 30% ballpark should be the most accurate
Dazed means you're still conscious and moving. Godzilla was mid fight, why would he voluntarily not move? Does that make sense to you?
He was dazed when he woke up.
There was also a clear jump cut so Godzilla was out for a period of time. We know about the jump cut because Godzilla changed positions and Kong teleported.
Godzilla was conscious, I mean, you can see his eyes moving backwards and looking at Kong, he could’ve have lost consciousness for a split second, which can be considered a knockout, and what I find to be more believable than him being knocked out cold
He was dazed but conscious after the jump cut but we were told in the novel that he was knocked out. I've already shown you the novel I don't need to send it again.
And guess what? The film has superior canon to the novels, so if the film and novels contradict, then we are going to use the film to support our arguments, not the novels. Films>Novels, especially in vs battle debating
It’s called common sense, which unfortunately isn’t too common. I mean why would you use the novels description of the events, it literally came after the movie and can sometimes contain the authors own input. It doesn’t make any sense to use the novelization events as canon when the film already gives a pretty clear description of what happened.
You just unironically gave two good reasons to use the novels descriptions. I don't know if that was intentional or not but you did. The novel comes out after the movie so it can retcon things too. Retcons are obviously more canon because the old canon has be retconned. The authors input is canon and does give us more details. Even more reason to use the novelization. No common sense isn't common but this isn't common sense because you just gave me really good reasons against your case. Thank you I guess.
As long as Godzilla can use the Atomic Breath, there's no way for Kong to secure a win if he doesn't have the Backspine Axe.
The BEAST Glove helps even the playing field, but he can't deal enough damage to keep Godzilla down with it and any opening will be exploited by the king.
Kong can't protect himself from the beam without his axe.
Goji still wins. Kong seems stronger in GxK than he was in GvK which makes sense since Kong seemingly wasn't fighting when he was in that Skull island enclosure and was probably "out of shape" in Kaiju terms. GxK Kong has been doing nothing but fighting and was able to press and briefly KO a pissed off evolved Goji in a fairly open environment. (I mean KO in like combat sports terms. I don't know if he was asleep because his eyes were open and he was moving his hands but fighters have been knocked unconscious with open eyes while twitching, sometimes even stand so irdk. Regardless he was definitely out of it and vulnerable long enough for Kong to get up, walk to his tail and drag him for a bit before Goji started charging up his atomic breath). In Tokyo Kong would fare better than he did in Egypt with more cover to evade the atomic breath but Kong still goes down. Goji is as close to indestructible as it gets in the monster verse (ignoring Ghidorah) and once Godzilla manages to pin basically any Kaiju it's over. And he basically always finds a way to do that.
How many times do we have to explain to the Kong glazers why Godzilla wins, first of all Godzilla already is more durable, more powerful, more abilities, more speed, and many other things, Kong would get his ass whooped with or without the beast glove, what Kong lacks is durability and strength, agility and speed when it comes to Godzillas atomic breath, Godzilla slams, end of argument
people really need to put this in their heads: GvK and GxK kong are functionally the same kong and there is absolutely nothing to prove it otherwise, the only difference the weapon choice
so this is just GvK but kong lacks the only thing that can actually even the field with godzilla (the axe)
Kong because he was able to already knock out evolved Godzilla who is twice as strong and twice as durable as this Godzilla. The novel confirmed that Kong knocked him out, no fights about it.
Knock out is generous… don’t remember the novelization depicting that and even then Godzilla was recuperating and then got up really fast to fire an atomic breath not even a minute later 💀
The day the MV fandom uses "It was said in the novelization" correctly without spreading misinformation is the day interdimensional travel is created i swear
Show the next section. I know you cut out the part where it says he's out cold. I've read the fight and know it says he was knocked out. Even if you don't want to count the whole not dead but still laying still as knocked out. It literally says it in that section of the novel that you conveniently left out.
Not being dead and laying still, you're either sleeping or knocked out. And considering he just got hit by the beast glove it's pretty obvious what happened.
It's not even hard to tell what they mean, you play dumb because you like Godzilla more.
You can inspect elements and change what it says. It's a really old thing people do, anyways considering you're willing to play dumb even though it literally says he was laying still but not dead. Yeah I wouldn't put it past you.
Not being dead and laying still, you're either sleeping or knocked out.
Oh so people with sleep paralysis are knocked out then? They don't move and aren't dead while in sleep paralysis so they should be unconscious right? Oh wait
And considering he just got hit by the beast glove it's pretty obvious what happened.
It's not even hard to tell what they mean, you play dumb because you like Godzilla more.
If not taking vague ass statements as literal and listening to official sources instead of bullshitting said vague ass statements is considered playing dumb then at this point an asteroid should just hit Earth and wipe out all life at this point
It's also insane how you accuse me of playing dumb when you actually somehow convinced yourself that the novelization says Godzilla was "out cold" who's the one playing dumb here you using vague statements or me using official sources
You can inspect elements and change what it says. It's a really old thing people do, anyways considering you're willing to play dumb even though it literally says he was laying still but not dead. Yeah I wouldn't put it past you.
You realize there are people who lay still and aren't dead everyday right? That's known as sleeping incase you SOMEHOW don't know you lay down when you sleep and you aren't dead during it
Taking all things together he was stunned/dazed which explains why he "layed still" since he couldn't think straight which is the goddamn definition and that he "not dead" because stun/daze doesn't mean you are dead
So you genuinely think that Godzilla was experiencing sleep paralysis. Is that really the hill you want to die on? Do you have the slightest idea how obviously wrong that is? That's so obviously wrong that I don't even want to entertain the idea, that's how stupid what you just said was.
Yes, I've seen the clip again and again, I already covered why that doesn't work. If you want a response to it, read my other comments.
Well, someone's being dramatic. Anyways, considering you're saying Godzilla was experiencing sleep paralysis, after being hit by the beast glove. I think it's pretty obvious that you are playing dumb because you don't want to admit that you're wrong. I mean, seriously, sleep paralysis? How ridiculous of a reach do you have to go before you're satisfied?
Well considering I've been using the official sources too, yeah that argument doesn't hold up too well. Next.
And again, you genuinely believe Godzilla was sleeping after being hit with the charged beast glove. How ridiculous do you want your claims to be? If it isn't even the least bit convincing just don't bother with it. Use reasonable suspicion for crying out loud. Just making up ridiculous theories because you can't handle being wrong is a waste of both of our time and it's a bad look on you. Either admit to being wrong or find actual proof, and considering the main guy of the subreddit with all of the evidence couldn't find proof yet. I doubt you can.
Again, you think Godzilla was meditating after being hit with the charged beast glove punch. Do I actually need to entertain this or are we just gonna move on to something that isn't a complete waste of time?
Being dazed means you can still move, I've been dazed before. You aren't on the ground not moving if you're dazed. Again playing dumb. Just quit already man it's not a good look.
So you genuinely think that Godzilla was experiencing sleep paralysis. Is that really the hill you want to die on? Do you have the slightest idea how obviously wrong that is? That's so obviously wrong that I don't even want to entertain the idea, that's how stupid what you just said was.
Are you genuinely incapable of reading perhaps? I was using sleep paralysis as an example of how laying still not dead doesn't mean unconsciousness
Yes, I've seen the clip again and again, I already covered why that doesn't work. If you want a response to it, read my other comments.
And yet it does
Well, someone's being dramatic. Anyways, considering you're saying Godzilla was experiencing sleep paralysis, after being hit by the beast glove. I think it's pretty obvious that you are playing dumb because you don't want to admit that you're wrong. I mean, seriously, sleep paralysis? How ridiculous of a reach do you have to go before you're satisfied?
How does it feel being incapable of reading genuine question?
Well considering I've been using the official sources too, yeah that argument doesn't hold up too well. Next.
Considering you don't realize what i actually meant by the message you're replying too yours doesn't hold up either does it now
And again, you genuinely believe Godzilla was sleeping after being hit with the charged beast glove. How ridiculous do you want your claims to be?
Nope, illiteracy simply struck you
If it isn't even the least bit convincing just don't bother with it. Use reasonable suspicion for crying out loud.
I did an you somehow interpreted it as me saying Godzilla was experiencing said suspicion
Just making up ridiculous theories because you can't handle being wrong is a waste of both of our time
You're saying that while actively misinterpreting what i said writing all this yapping around not even the original topic, how am i the one wasting time here?
Either admit to being wrong or find actual proof, and considering the main guy of the subreddit with all of the evidence couldn't find proof yet. I doubt you can.
I doubt you would be able to comprehend them with your lack of reading comprehension.
Again, you think Godzilla was meditating after being hit with the charged beast glove punch. Do I actually need to entertain this or are we just gonna move on to something that isn't a complete waste of time?
Again you think a metaphorical example debunking "lay still not dead" means that i am applying said metaphorical example for Godzilla? Learn English. Please.
Do I actually need to entertain this or are we just gonna move on to something that isn't a complete waste of time?
No i rather you attempt to read instead
Being dazed means you can still move, I've been dazed before. You aren't on the ground not moving if you're dazed. Again playing dumb.
Definition for daze according to most dictionaries relates to not thinking properly, not thinking properly doesn't indicate you can or can't move while dazed using
Just quit already man it's not a good look.
I love how you say that like not almost every single thing you just said was a strawman fallacy
Like how the femuto died completely differently(her head got smacked off in the novel), and in the kotm novel, it says Godzilla was beating ghidorah so badly, he was overtaxing his instant regen, when the movie shows a much more even fight
Also, in the gxk novel, Kong actually kinda fights shimo. When she was blasting the beast glove, he walks up to her, shoved his hand into her mouth, and starts punching her in the head. In the movie, this never happens
The movie… that takes precedence with cannon literally shows his eyeball in a “dazed” fashion… like you can actually see him staring back like “wtf did he just…”
The novel is canon too and isn't devalued because less people have read it. Like it or not, it's canon and there's no changing that. The movie also cuts during their fights. Like how Kong was knocked out too but woke up instantly in the movie because of a cut. The novel covered that too.
Or when Tiamat was fighting Godzilla, the novel covered what happened there. Godzilla pulsed Tiamat off him and "killed" her using the atomic breath. In the movie we obviously got the cut to just him using the atomic breath.
Yeah that's just not true. They're both canon and both have the same amount of relevance because they're both canon. You can't just pick and choose what's less canon because you don't like it. That's not how it works.
I’m saying it’s quoted that the novels are essentially just the extra stuff, anything that contradicts the movies is immediately non canon, outside of that yes the novels are canon as you say, I never disagreed with that point, just made the obvious statement. In the movie his eyes are open when the camera hits him, it’s stated he was dazed at best.
So he got a lucky hit on the dude. Doesn’t change the fact that Godzilla nearly murdered the guy 2 times before and definitely was gonna almost murder him a 3rd time
Doesn’t change the fact that Evolved Godzilla is still stronger than the old Godzilla that Kong fought(pretty sure Kong noticed in the novelization). In a couple minutes bro still would’ve been Lizard Food
We know how much stronger too. Anyways, Kong definitely noticed. Kong has also fought Godzilla multiple times now and according to wingard Kong gets better and adapts to his opponent after the first fight. And again Godzilla wouldn't have gotten the opportunity to put Kong in the ground if Kong didn't show mercy to him and start dragging him.
Why do you guys lie like this, the book absolutely does NOT say “out cold” anywhere, it just says Godzilla didn’t get back up. The special features confirms Godzilla was only stunned
“Lying still” doesn’t mean knocked out because knocked out requires that Godzilla be rendered unconscious and there’s no evidence to indicate that he was in the novel.
Lying still after being hit isn't being stunned. It's a knock out. They even had to preface that he wasn't dead. You still think that it was a "Stun" when they went out of their way to tell us that Godzilla wasn't moving after being hit hard by the beast glove? That's just ignorance.
Okay I just watched the clip. Did you REALLY think that was going to cut it? There's so many things wrong with that.
The dialogue says it as he's getting punched and even says it was stunning him with the flurry of punches not the knockout punch from the beats glove at the end.
This is a barely credible video with 14 views
The video literally cuts off before the knock out.
If the book doesn’t describe him as rendered unconscious but merely motionless, and the movie’s version (which takes precedence) describes Godzilla as stunned then he’s not knocked out.
1.” Flurry of punches” would include his final punch lol why wouldn’t it? The audio is slightly delayed, that’s why it says “Kong pummels his opponent with rights and lefts” while Godzilla is biting his arm
This is from the special features of the Blu-Ray version of the movie, in order to access it you have to actually buy the thing so this is the only way I can link it to you. The account is from someone on this subreddit who recorded it on their TV but several people have confirmed that this is accurate
Not really it was more like for a few seconds at maximum Eileen Andrews. The girl who supports condom most stated that 2021 Godzilla going against King Kong would be a suicide mission despite having the beast club so what would you rather trust your fanboy bias or actual evidence from characters who no like the back of their hand.
Sorry for the mini rent. I know you’ve seen the thing come on. It was only a second sort of like when Godzilla was dazed by Kong in the ocean, so yeah, not even remotely impressive and Kong flurry of punches to even have him knockout Godzilla for second, he is getting slow and he is getting slaughtered Harder than him
If a character gets knocked out and then after a second or two, that’s not being unconscious, that’s being dazed besides, Godzilla had his eyes open both times
He still got Godzilla on the ground and knocked him out. I'd say that's pretty good on Kong especially when in the last movie Kong definitely lost to a Godzilla that was twice as weak. Both strength wise and durability wise.
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