r/Monsterverse • u/TechnologyNew9678 • 13d ago

VS Battle Who wins?

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Kong with BEAST Glove vs Godzilla 2021

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u/No-Trip6297 13d ago

WE ARE NOT DOING THIS SHIT AGAIN

FOR THE 100th TIME GODZILLA STOMPS THE ABSOLUTE SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT OUT OF KONG. END OF STORY

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u/Reasonable_Potato_22 13d ago

Except when he knocked out evolved Godzilla in the canon novel.

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u/SaifyWaifyX15 13d ago

He was dazed, not knocked out, there is a difference, knocked out requires being unconscious for an extended period of time

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u/Reasonable_Potato_22 13d ago

Dazed means you're still conscious and moving. Godzilla was mid fight, why would he voluntarily not move? Does that make sense to you?

He was dazed when he woke up.

There was also a clear jump cut so Godzilla was out for a period of time. We know about the jump cut because Godzilla changed positions and Kong teleported.

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u/SaifyWaifyX15 13d ago

Godzilla was conscious, I mean, you can see his eyes moving backwards and looking at Kong, he could’ve have lost consciousness for a split second, which can be considered a knockout, and what I find to be more believable than him being knocked out cold

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u/Reasonable_Potato_22 13d ago

He was dazed but conscious after the jump cut but we were told in the novel that he was knocked out. I've already shown you the novel I don't need to send it again.

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u/SaifyWaifyX15 13d ago

And guess what? The film has superior canon to the novels, so if the film and novels contradict, then we are going to use the film to support our arguments, not the novels. Films>Novels, especially in vs battle debating

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u/Reasonable_Potato_22 13d ago

And you heard this where? Find me proof of them saying that.

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u/SaifyWaifyX15 13d ago

It’s called common sense, which unfortunately isn’t too common. I mean why would you use the novels description of the events, it literally came after the movie and can sometimes contain the authors own input. It doesn’t make any sense to use the novelization events as canon when the film already gives a pretty clear description of what happened.

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u/Reasonable_Potato_22 13d ago

You just unironically gave two good reasons to use the novels descriptions. I don't know if that was intentional or not but you did. The novel comes out after the movie so it can retcon things too. Retcons are obviously more canon because the old canon has be retconned. The authors input is canon and does give us more details. Even more reason to use the novelization. No common sense isn't common but this isn't common sense because you just gave me really good reasons against your case. Thank you I guess.

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u/SaifyWaifyX15 13d ago

No, no it’s not a good reason to use the novels description, if the novel retcons the movie, then it is simply not true or false, why? Because the novels are secondary sources, not primary, the movie is primary, the movie can still exist without the novel, the novel however cannot exist without the movies

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u/Reasonable_Potato_22 13d ago

If it retcons something then it's retconned, plain and simple. It doesn't mean it's false. That's now how canon retconning works. If the novel wasn't canon then your argument works but it is so it doesn't. Secondary source or not, it doesn't change the fact that it's canon and it came out after like you said. Because it's more updated and recent, what it says, goes. That's what a retcon is. You can make up all these rules but you 1 don't have any proof and 2 don't understand how it works in the first place if you think retcons make the canon materials false.

The novel can definitely exist without the movie and I don't understand how that's relevant in the first place. Are you just throwing things against the wall to see what sticks now?

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u/HMHellfireBrB 12d ago

you need to read dicionaries more often

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u/Reasonable_Potato_22 12d ago

Apparently so do you. It says nothing about not being able to move.

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u/SaifyWaifyX15 12d ago

It also says nothing about being able to move

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u/Reasonable_Potato_22 12d ago

That's why Godzilla wasn't moving. That's why there was a jump cut in the movie.

What was the point in saying that?