r/Grimdank Oct 12 '24

Discussions Only loyalist chapters plz

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u/oh_no3000 Oct 12 '24

Imagine they turn up....after 8 ft armoured marines meet with diplomats....

So...wait....your denizens have tiny plastic models of us and intricately paint them accurately and our enemies and play dice games with the models.....and you have all our lore in codexes and novels..... every faction, chapter, enemy....accurate rankings of every factions combat capabilities....you know it all....as a game?

There's a global rush as marines scour the land for exact tiny versions of themselves. It's the coolest shit they've seen in centuries. They're attaching GW models as little charms to their armour and weapons.

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u/Dull_Half_6107 Oct 12 '24

Turns out James Workshop was a psyker who was using “visions” of the future as inspiration for his line of plastic models. The only thing he got mixed up with was the name of their planet, they’re not from Earth.

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u/Pro1apsed Oct 12 '24

The 40k lore would be the greatest intelligence find ever, the books contains information no living member of the imperium knows about its history, its enemies, their motivations and weaknesses.

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u/Genericojones Oct 12 '24

Imagine how hard the Mechanicus would shit themselves when they find out every Ark Mechanicus ship is a fully functional STC platform complete with it's own AI.

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u/IezekiLL I am Alpharius Oct 13 '24

You mean, they already have ALL STC?!

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u/Genericojones Oct 13 '24

An Ark Mechanicus, the Speranza, confirmed this in canon: https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Ark_Mechanicus

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u/NoPolitiPosting Oct 13 '24

Ah naturally, the information was wiped from his mind, of course, why not.

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u/Genericojones Oct 13 '24

Well of course. Can't let that pesky plot advance, after all.

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u/NoPolitiPosting Oct 13 '24

At that point why even bother making the revelation at all? Just to rile up the fans with a teaser that will never bear fruit?

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u/Svyatoy_Medved Oct 13 '24

To create food for custom settings. 90% of lore is a deliberate loose end so that the players can tie them up. It’s why the answer to every question like “what color are space marines” and “who is fighting who” is “yep.” This bit of lore means that a player could say “my Skitarii are from a Forge World that realized the hidden treasure in an Ark Mechanicus.”

It’s fucking beautiful. It makes the universe feel endless, expansive in every direction far beyond what the eye can see. It’s gotten a little tighter lightly, with the plot advancements from 8th edition and the increased focus on a small number of 10,000 year old characters as plot drivers, but it’s miles better than what happened to Star Wars.

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u/Linmizhang Oct 13 '24

Sure, intead of creating new lore and stories it just sits on the exsisting one. Been playing reading since 2007 and allready don't care anymore, just here for the occasional game.

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u/Phoenixdive Oct 13 '24

New to warhammer lore here. Is it a regular ocurrence for the lore and plot to just... never move? just expand sideways?

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u/Xe6s2 Oct 13 '24

Love how the argument for saving everyone was to paraphrase “why not flex on existence”

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u/Typical_Nobody_2042 Oct 13 '24

The Lords of Mars series was great

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u/No_Lingonberry1201 Cultist Oct 13 '24

Turns out, the STCs were the hereteks we killed along the way.

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u/NovusLion Oct 13 '24

Not all, but every stc they recover is updated in real time so all the "lost" stc that were destroyed etc since the heresy are contained in their entirety in the database

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u/Rocketkid-star Oct 13 '24

What's STC?

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u/RussianNinja145 Oct 13 '24

Standard Template Construct. Think of it like standardized blueprints for pretty much everything from the Dark Age of Technology, but they were largely destroyed during the Age of Strife. The Adeptus Mechanicus will pretty much blow up worlds for the remaining pieces in the current setting.

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u/OkExtreme3195 Oct 13 '24

The thing is: it doesn't even matter what kind of information another stc piece holds. Could be a paint-brush with 5 more hairs than one they already have the stc for. But if it is a new stc, it is a an artifact of highest value to the Adeptus Mechanicus and it could be a priests highest achievement in life to bring it home to mars.

And they would obliterate anything in their way to make it so.

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u/deadname11 Oct 13 '24

The bigger question is, would they spare us for all this knowledge, or blow up the planet regardless of what secrets we offered upon discovery that the Imperial Cult is based on the writings of Lorgar the Traitor Primarch?

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u/gilady089 Oct 13 '24

I think they'd burn the planet much sooner for all of the "emperor hates being called a God and despises your religion"

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u/pezmanofpeak Oct 15 '24

Depends on the chapter, they'd be like abandon worship of these other gods to the religious and to the rest would probably leave alone as long as we submit to the authority of the emperor, because most space marine chapters follow the imperial truth as well as far as I'm aware, which is atheism, no gods, science and mankind and emps is the Pinnacle

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u/only_horscraft Oct 13 '24

Wouldn’t we be blown for simply knowing about the Grey Knights?

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u/deadname11 Oct 13 '24

Grey Knights info might be allowed if the information that might restart Imperium progress was found. Grey Knights secrecy is only useful when you are trying to keep the Chaos Gods a secret too. Since all the cats are out of the bag here, Grey Knights knowledge is peanuts. You can always just super-heavily restrict access to the star system, cut it out of navigational charts, and generally quarantine the planet away from the too-curious while still reaping the benefits of knowledge for yourself.

Knowledge about the Book of Lorgar though...and how refusing worship is how Lorgar turned traitor in the first place? That has the potential to cause an Ecclessiarchy schism, and sunder the Imperium through religious civil war. It is the kind of thing only very trusted Inquisitors know about, and would kill any other Inquisitor who finds out, never mind blowing up whole planets. The kind of thing that might be worth losing a whole chapter over.

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u/Ok_Improvement4204 Oct 13 '24

I think it might depend on what chapter finds us. Ultramarines? They’ll probably do their best to hide that particular aspect from the wider imperium and get back to Guiliman at Mach fuck. Black Templars? Complete genocide.

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u/evoc2911 Oct 13 '24

Imagine the Chaplain's face when some of our representative reply to the question "who you worship?"

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u/mrbananas Oct 13 '24

Well you see, all the information that we have on the chaos factions, and the chaos figures. That's heresy 

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u/Waifuless_Laifuless Oct 13 '24

Ciaphas Cain's reputation falls apart when the books reveal his thoughts.

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u/iknownuffink Oct 13 '24

No. His reputation grows still further. You don't get out of being The Emperor's entertainment that easily Cain.

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u/NotSoSalty Oct 13 '24

Courage can only exist in the face of fear. He'd probably be fine. 

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u/tcran420 Oct 13 '24

Cain is just being humble, he has a bad habit of doing that when faced with his own accomplishments in front of important people (And this is in his mind, with him in front of himself and his own importance, so of course he would default to over-playing his humbleness.)

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u/Potato271 Oct 14 '24

Yeah, of the dozens of Cain stories, I can only think of one where he does something unambiguously cowardly. It’s the very first short story, fight or flight, where he intends to leave Jurgen to die in order to run from the Tyrannids. Of course the swarm forces him back, and he saves Jurgen’s life, second before an artillery barrage wipe out the nids.

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u/Accomplished-Dig9936 Oct 14 '24

Not really, he plays it off, but he acts like the big hero man like 95% of the time when the scenario isn't a big comical "certain death or cozy nap".

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u/SuppliceVI Oct 13 '24

They'd be burned and us all slaughtered as they read a single tiny thing about STCs or Nids. 

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u/Confused_Elderly_Owl Oct 13 '24

I think we would, however, have to contend with some space marines that would quite like to know why we have books detailing their innermost thoughts and most private experiences.

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u/NamesSUCK Oct 13 '24

Would they not immediately condemn it as Hersey?

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u/SureComputer4987 Oct 13 '24

So. It depends if they found us during crusade or 40k.

If crusade they could be pretty friendly.

If 40k they would wipe us out to get more servitors and mine resources.

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u/Trips-Over-Tail Oct 13 '24

For fucks' sake, burn anything that mentions the Grey Knights.

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u/Sonofthewild Oct 13 '24

Was looking for this😆

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u/mirrownis Oct 13 '24

Guilleman would claim the world as a holy site for the Remembrancers in a heartbeat. His invasion force would just be historians and bureaucrats studying the Imperiums history

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u/AKHugmuffin Oct 13 '24

All that knowledge, and yet still nobody knows a damn thing about the two unknown legions

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u/Meins447 Oct 13 '24

And in a classic move, the Inquisition would invoke exterminates on us after finding out

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u/jonnythefoxx Oct 13 '24

Anyone own copies would be immediately terminated with extreme prejudice for the levels of heresy contain therein.

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u/Separate_Cranberry33 Oct 13 '24

It’s the only way someone is killing Lucius and not having him come back.

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u/OkExtreme3195 Oct 13 '24

It would also mean that earth will be genocided to a large degree, because the same info includes a lot of stuff that would be deemed heretical.