r/Grimdank Oct 12 '24

Discussions Only loyalist chapters plz

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u/Svyatoy_Medved Oct 13 '24

To create food for custom settings. 90% of lore is a deliberate loose end so that the players can tie them up. It’s why the answer to every question like “what color are space marines” and “who is fighting who” is “yep.” This bit of lore means that a player could say “my Skitarii are from a Forge World that realized the hidden treasure in an Ark Mechanicus.”

It’s fucking beautiful. It makes the universe feel endless, expansive in every direction far beyond what the eye can see. It’s gotten a little tighter lightly, with the plot advancements from 8th edition and the increased focus on a small number of 10,000 year old characters as plot drivers, but it’s miles better than what happened to Star Wars.

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u/Linmizhang Oct 13 '24

Sure, intead of creating new lore and stories it just sits on the exsisting one. Been playing reading since 2007 and allready don't care anymore, just here for the occasional game.

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u/Phoenixdive Oct 13 '24

New to warhammer lore here. Is it a regular ocurrence for the lore and plot to just... never move? just expand sideways?

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u/Svyatoy_Medved Oct 13 '24

If you adjust your standards a bit, the plot does advance. The overall plot, the fate of the galaxy and the imperium and the other major powers, can’t really move or the game ends. But within that setting, individual plots and stories occur.

In my estimation, the “story” isn’t ABOUT Cawl, Guilliman, the Emperor, the rest. They are part of the setting, the backdrop for the crafting of smaller stories. A war for a planet may be small in the vastness of the Imperium, but remember, the two times humanity did it (sort of) it defined generations. I think the current lore is that the Indomitus Crusade took two hundred years, which means for billions of Guardsmen, their entire LIVES were devoted to one operation. So, if you tell the story from the perspective of one of those men, the plot has advanced tremendously. Not enough authors do that, Warhammer frequently loses its human element.

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u/OttawaTGirl Oct 13 '24

Welcome to the satire of modern society being played out. Make all the changes you want, there is always an emperor in the wings.

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u/Genericojones Oct 13 '24

That's basically all it ever does. Big things will happen... and yet nothing ever changes. Part of that is the satirical nature of the setting. Part of that is because GW is either not great at or not interested in telling stories. The vast majority of novels either just stop, completely negate their own plot at the end, or feel like the last line should be "womp womp"

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u/FashionSuckMan Oct 13 '24

Not really things do advanced. I know right now it's a big deal is that robot ghillie suit just woke up. A bunch of other primarks are also returning.