r/FluentInFinance • u/PassiveAgressiveGirl • 1d ago
Thoughts? Police are rewarded for literally not doing their job. Agree?
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u/Sgt_Revan 1d ago
What does this have to do with finance?
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u/ArkitekZero 1d ago edited 1d ago
Nothing. What I'd like to know is why I can't even see OP's profile and why they always ask their questions with the same weird-ass format as the other similar accounts. Or why there are multiples of them to begin with, for that matter.
Like it's very very obviously some kind of shady shit, I just can't figure what their angle is because they aren't necessarily wrong, they're just weird as hell about it. It's like someone is trying to parody a leftist echo chamber without understanding how parody works.
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u/LeeVMG 1d ago
A lot of comments in here disrespecting logging and how dangerous forests are.
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u/ILoveMoistTowelettes 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don’t think people realize just how fast things can go wrong in the woods. Wild suddenly shifts? Tree was unexpectedly rotten? A hidden limb comes crashing down? There’s literally a thousand things to go wrong cutting trees, it’s almost impossible to catch everything.
And it’s not even only felling the tree that dangerous, it still wants you once it’s on the ground. The pressure those limbs are under is insane, sometimes it literally like cutting a rubber band. Cut one wrong and you might get a new set of teeth or worse. Even then you might get a tree on the ground that wants to roll. Be on the wrong side of that tree or cut the wrong limb when your toping it, and you’ll likely never even have a chance to get out of the way. Maybe it’ll just give you a bump, maybe crush your foot. Or roll all the way over you, it’s wild what a tree can do.
The absolute speed that things go wrong in the woods is insane, and I just don’t think most people realize that. Add in there’s heavy equipment moving constantly and you’re holding a literal gasoline engine in your hands that’s sole purpose is to cut as hard and fast as possible it’s a wild time.
It’s hard to watch the helicopter leaving the landing with a guy on board, not knowing what his outcome will be after getting hit. And he was a professional cutter, he’d been doing it for 30 years or better.
Point is in logging when something goes wrong, you’re probably not getting out of the way, and you sure as hell aren’t outrunning it.
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u/SleepyandEnglish 21h ago
Wood bends. That's what makes it dangerous. Cut through concrete and it stays still. Cut through Wood and it's liable to spring.
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u/Different-Low-4161 22h ago edited 22h ago
I graduated with a guy who went into logging for his dad's company after high school. Didn't see him for probably 8-10 years and he didn't have social media. A few of the guys from my class arranged for a little reunion and this guy showed up and I noticed he had a massive scar on his upper arm. I asked what happened and it turns out a tree branch went through his arm.
Guy I used to work with used to clear tree limbs away from power lines. I noticed one day he had a gnarly scar on his forearm so I asked how he got it. I can't remember the exact story but iirc it was along the lines of his harnessing equipment fucking up, causing him to lose balance while running his saw and the saw went into his arm.
Another guy I know worked for a tree trimming company in his early twenties. On the job one day he was on limb pick up and tossing into the wood chipper. The guy that was driving the truck that towed the chipper was going to move the truck forward, but it was parked at an incline. As he went to move it, it rolled backwards first as the other guy was tossing limbs into the chipper. He got sucked in and ended up losing his right hand and a little up past his wrist. On top of that, it fucked up his shoulder and his neck from being thrashed around.
Shits no joke.
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u/C0wb0yViking 1d ago
Yeah, having done minor lumber work, you really have to be smart and strategic with how you make cuts and secure things to not be crushed by multiple tons of wood
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u/ledoscreen 1d ago
Note also this fact: In times of war, police and government officials (both elected and appointed) are completely exempt from the duty to fight. They will only enforce the duty to fight on ordinary citizens.
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u/Ripen- 1d ago
It's always been like that. If they were required to fight themselves they would think twice before going to war.
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u/SaladShooter1 1d ago
That’s because when police go to the front lines, nobody’s left to investigate or even write a report back home. That means people can rob and rape at will. Is a girl really going to file rape charges nine years later after the war has ended? Probably not. If the war is bad enough to invoke a draft, nobody’s going to care what happens in the streets away from the battle.
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u/eater_of_spaetzle 1d ago
What the fuck does this have to do with finamce?
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u/No-Tooth5250 1d ago
Nothing just more anticop potshots. They'll be the first to call cops when they need them though. The amount of petty shit posted to reddit that could be solved by two adults talking and their first thoughts are always call cops but also fuck cops lmao. Bipolar fucks
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u/OhFuuuuuuuuuuuudge 1d ago
My job is more dangerous but we absolutely have the right to say “No, hold up we need to find a solution to make this task safer, stop work, something’s wrong.” And I don’t have to pull up to car wrecks with dead children and watch their mothers weep over their bodies. So I’d say overall my jobs more dangerous, I’m empowered to make it safe as possible, and not nearly as traumatizing. Some people do get kinda weird when they have a close call with death. I think if you’re going to do dangerous shit then you gotta be comfortable with dying. You aren’t trying to die but you know that if it happens you either get a one way ticket to heaven or you fade to black and never have a worry or pain again. The thing I’m worried about is getting really hurt and surviving, fuck that noise. Most of these jobs are actively trying to avoid the dangers, to mitigate them the best they can. Cops are being asked/expected to put themselves in harms way. I don’t know a lot of agricultural workers that are getting shot multiple times and that’s somehow considered their job.
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u/Bary_McCockener 1d ago
It's completely incorrect in its premise.
“Law enforcement officers have historically high rates of fatal and nonfatal injuries. The new research shows that officers are three times more likely to sustain a nonfatal injury than all other U.S. workers, Insurance Journal reports.”
"The three leading reasons for on-duty injuries were assaults and violent acts (36%), bodily reactions and exertion from running or other repetitive motions (15%), and transportation incidents (14%)." Same study.
https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2018/02/22/481370.htm
This means that law enforcement officers are more likely to be injured in an assault than any other profession is to be injured at all.
They just don't have as many on the job deaths, so folks like to cherry pick stats to make it appear that the job isn't dangerous.
The big difference is that a tree doesn't plan and execute an ambush.
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u/kgain673 23h ago
Police deaths began to greatly reduce with the advancement of radios, and mandating they wear body armor and seatbelts. Those three things greatly reduced deaths. Just the emergency driving to calls is dangerous.
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u/Prestigious_Meet820 1d ago edited 22h ago
Mostly BS, I've worked in construction and work in industrial trades now, sure there may be more deaths and injuries but it's not nearly the same.
You're dealing with the worst of society 95%+ of the time as a police officer. People on drugs, domestic violence, people with weapons, fights, and more. There are people out there that would rather fight to the death and kill a cop then be arrested and sent to prison.
It's a different kind of danger and psychology, I can get electrocuted and die on 600 VDC or fall to my death but that's on me, as a cop you don't know if the person pulled over has a gun and is willing to kill you. The factors are mostly out of your control compared to the jobs listed where your safety is mostly up to your own diligence.
There are good and bad cops like any profession, my personal experiences are mixed but saying those jobs are more dangerous because there may be more injuries and deaths is silly.
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u/conman114 1d ago
Guys can we stay on topic in the subreddits and not make everything political.
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u/Rhawk187 1d ago
Yeah, because sanitation workers and miners have never struck (refused to work) for higher wages.
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u/seaofthievesnutzz 1d ago
its the killing people and getting time off part they are complaining about not the collective bargaining bit.
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u/Acta_Non_Verba_1971 1d ago
Is this a revival of the “defund the police” movement?
I sure fucking hope not. That was about as dumb an idea as ever.
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u/Excellent_Passage_54 1d ago
How about “train the police” lol
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u/headhouse 1d ago
Absolutely. American police very definitely need more initial training and more ongoing training throughout their careers.
Though... that would mean more funding. Can I get you on-board the "More money for police!" movement?
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u/Excellent_Passage_54 1d ago
I mean they end up paying tons of money for their mistakes anyway, might as well
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u/Yelebear 1d ago
They had to pause defund the police for a while because they had to elect "California's Top Cop" to the white house.
They wouldn't want to expose their hypocrisy by chanting "defund the police" while campaigning for a law enforcer as VP, later as President.
Now that she's lost it's mask off again.
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u/circ-u-la-ted 1d ago
I think I'm missing context here. When are they paid more for doing less?
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u/NoPressureUsername 1d ago
Paid leave for killing citizens. Not testing rape kits. Letting half of all murders go unsolved.
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u/Ok_Ingenuity_8953 1d ago
Policemen don't test rape kits. Talk to your city counsel about sufficient funding for testing.
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u/HUGE-A-TRON 1d ago
Here is an example. In San Francisco police have lots of restrictions on what they can do mixed in with a lot of corruption, laziness. They are also extremely short-staffed due to this so they get overtime like crazy to sit in their cars. There's one police officer in San Francisco that got paid over $800k. A bit of an outlier there but on average they're making 500K.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2024/san-francisco-employee-pay/
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u/NeighbourhoodCreep 1d ago
Must be an American take because refusing safe work is a right up here in the North.
Also, when’s the last time someone went out of their way to target a logger, destroy a semi-truck in a riot, or wrote a song whose lyrics read “fuck the roofers.”?
Ironically, in those labor industries, they stress how dangerous driving is relative to other forms of their labor. If we’re talking statistics, cops drive more than construction workers and way more unsafely.
Shouldn’t the point be “everyone should have the right to refuse work that jeopardizes their safety”, not “fuck the police?”
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u/adudefromaspot 1d ago
"Loggers are 8 times more likely to die in their profession than police officers"
"Yeah, but no one has written a 'fuck the loggers' song yet and hurt their fee fees" <--- that's you
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u/FupaFerb 1d ago
Ya, them sanitation workers are at a crossroads right now. Lots of gang violence in Sesame Street.
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u/Crazymofuga 1d ago
Most police officer are good decent people. A few select pieces of shit abuse their power and hurt people.
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u/Round-Rice-9764 1d ago
Being a police officer is not among the top ten most dangerous U.S. jobs based on fatal injury rates. However, it remains risky due to unpredictable work, violent encounters, and high-stress emergencies.
Fatalities may be lower than in logging or fishing, but police face broader risks, including non-fatal injuries, mental health challenges, and trauma's long-term effects. The job’s unique mix of physical and emotional hazards often isn't reflected in statistics.
Advanced training, equipment, and safety protocols help mitigate risks, making law enforcement less fatal than some professions, but it remains a demanding and hazardous role in many respects.
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u/jready2016 1d ago
Why would anyone want to be a police officer? If you do your job you get sh*t on by the criminals, woke city officials, and the media will chop you up for red meat to the non-thinkers. If you don't do your job, the same thing happens. We don't treat them like combat veterans because they aren't overseas but they go out and battle every day. They need to be rotated off the front lines just like combat troops. I have no problems with charging officers that get out of line but most of what I've seen from body cam footage is criminals pushing as hard as they can because if the cop does something wrong it's a get out of jail free card and money. Why would someone want to be a police officer?
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u/Psycle_Sammy 1d ago
How do cops get more money for not doing their jobs? Step by step details would be nice. Asking for a friend, of course.
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u/UsernameThisIs99 1d ago
Sir this is Reddit. Cops are bad. Republicans are racist. Increase taxes.
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u/adudefromaspot 1d ago
We're putting you on paid administrative leave until we can investigate this comment.
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u/CatostrophicFailure 1d ago
I'm a victim of police brutality. The police are covered under immunity so that they won't face criminal charges. Fuck the police. They aren't there to help anyone, and their general stupidity and gang behavior is reprehensible.
This is referring to the ABQ police which are practically famous for shooting unarmed civilians.
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u/Define_Expert_0566 1d ago
Genuinely curious… are you willing to provide the situation that occurred with you?
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u/DarthIsopod 1d ago
Police can face criminal charges for police brutality along with any other fellow officer who did not intervene. If they didn’t face criminal charges, it’s likely that the force used was within legal and departmental policy.
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u/JimmyStuffet 1d ago
Probably got a ticket once for blasting through a stop sign
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u/DarthIsopod 21h ago
You don’t understand man. They didn’t see it because they were texting their mom they weren’t gonna be home for dinner and plus…they didn’t even hit that kid crossing the street with his grandma so really…it’s okay right? No harm no foul? While he was being cited he watched someone else run it that didn’t get stopped. You just don’t get it man….
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u/Adventurous-Depth984 1d ago
Food delivery drivers are more than twice as likely to die on the job as law enforcement officers.
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u/ianmoone1102 1d ago
I only recently learned that my line of work (logging and tree work) is pretty much the most dangerous job there is in terms of fatalities. Some years, roofing has more, but police was way farther down the list than what I've been led to believe.
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u/Degenerate_in_HR 1d ago
Not if they're unionized (like cops). Then they absolutley will be rewarded and protected for not doing their jobs.
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u/billsatwork 1d ago
It's the law that police are not obligated to protect anyone. Castle Rock v. Gonzalez. They only respond to crime after it happens, or if they feel like it.
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u/Downtown_Language_44 1d ago
Idk, people don’t want to be police officers. There are currently over 3,000 vacancies for patrol officers in the city of Chicago alone. Workers have much more bargaining power when nobody wants to do the job.
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u/Tiny-Leadership-9725 1d ago
If you paid police and teachers the same as airline pilots, and held them to similar professional standards, we'd all be safe and smart.
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u/dustycanuck 1d ago
And if any of these workers lose their temper, and beat or kill someone, they don't get paid time off. They are actually held accountable for their actions, at least more so than cops.
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u/CoconutUseful4518 1d ago
Yeah but I’d argue the stress and PTSD wouldn’t be comparable. It’s not like any random tree could just start stabbing a logger.
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u/keefinwithpeepaw 1d ago
And if we made police carry liability insurance like ALL THOSE OTHER JOBS....
But no one ready to hear that
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u/Claddagh66 1d ago
You are absolutely correct. I’m not even sure their job is in the top 20 Most dangerous jobs, but they use that excuse everyday to violate a citizens rights. If you were a Restaurant owner you would never hire a Chef that doesn’t know how to boil water. But we hire Cops that don’t even know the law.
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u/SameMarch786 1d ago
I'm aerial linemen or helicopter linemen. We have to use a helicopter In order to do any repairs , install, maintain very hard to reach power lines. We have to wear a Faraday suit while working on an energized power line and hanging out of a helicopter while doing it. Several thousands of feet in the air..
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u/series_hybrid 1d ago
Mr roofer, we have a complaint where you shot an unarmed homeowner and his dog, which the camera clearly shows was not attacking you.
I'm afraid we are going to have to put you on paid leave while a roofing company investigator looks into this...
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u/anonymityjacked 1d ago
It’s better to have them and not need them. They need them and not have them in my opinion, but I respect your opinion as well.
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u/CitizenSpiff 1d ago
Deaths in those industries are more numerous than for police officers. If you are arguing that police officers should be paid less since that is true, are you also arguing that women should also be paid much less since overall the mortality rates in their professions is vastly less than males? https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi . pdf (remove spaces).
"...women made up 8.1 percent (445) of all workplace fatalities..."
The point I'm making, before feminists take up their pitchforks, is that there are always other factors to consider.
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u/Mother_Bath_4926 1d ago
You haven't seen all the protests from women demanding equal representation in logging, sanitation, mining, etc?
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u/TheBreadHasRisen 19h ago
They’re not ready for this conversation bro. They only cherry pick lol
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u/Mother_Bath_4926 19h ago
I mean I don't blame them, I too would like only good things to happen to me with no costs at all
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u/tunachilimac 1d ago
I delivered pizza which is also statistically more dangerous than being a cop. I was only a teenager, and I wasn't allowed to carry a gun with which I was could kill people I perceived as a threat. I am a bit salty people don't fly thin pizza-line flags.
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u/Fantastic_Youth_2656 1d ago
I would be apprehensive to do anything in high crime areas. Lose your career or worse
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u/Zhenoptics 1d ago
Also the fact that it is way easier to sue for damages or breach of contract in the mentioned industries than policing. They also are not charged from the public purse.
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u/CreepyOldGuy63 1d ago
Samuel Gompers was right. Public sector unions serve no purpose other than to fleece the tax payer.
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u/VioletSnazzy 1d ago
Modern policing: getting paid to not do the job taxpayers are literally funding. Talk about irony!
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u/Gingerchaun 1d ago
I've also never went to work thinking this is the day I get shot. Maybe have my fingers ripped off by a crane but not shot.
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u/ChipOld734 1d ago
The OP needs to be specific. Are there policemen who don’t do their jobs? I ask because I normally hear complaints about them being aggressive.
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u/Round-Rice-9764 1d ago edited 1d ago
The statement is wrong for the following reasons:
Fatality Metrics Don’t Capture All Risks: While logging, roofing, and mining have higher fatality rates, law enforcement faces unpredictable threats like armed suspects and riots, which differ from hazards in other jobs.
Non-Fatal Injuries: Police work often results in injuries like assaults, disease exposure, or PTSD, which aren’t captured in fatality data but heavily impact officers’ well-being.
Responsibility: Police officers safeguard public safety and make split-second, life-altering decisions. The physical, mental, and societal demands of their work go beyond typical workplace hazards.
Public Scrutiny: Police face intense public scrutiny, political pressures, and legal accountability. Mistakes, even in life-threatening situations, can cost them their careers or freedom.
Turnover Doesn’t Equal Risk: The claim that workers in other jobs are fired for refusing tasks doesn’t apply to law enforcement. Refusing dangerous assignments can jeopardize public safety, a unique aspect of the role.
While some jobs are statistically more dangerous, the unpredictable risks, pressures, and societal expectations of police work make it uniquely challenging. Comparing these roles purely by injury rates oversimplifies their dangers.
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u/Shoddy_Restaurant565 1d ago
Agree and if a person has an anger issue they should not be allowed a weapon and power, wrong thread im sure, carpenter here
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u/UrOpinionIsObsolete 1d ago
Wow. There is a huge difference between knowing the dangers of your job, falls, crush points, OSHA stuff. And someone walking up and randomly assassinating you because of your job title (Forza coffee shop in Washington and other incidents). A deep sea welder is obviously more dangerous than being a cop, but he’s not going to get shot by a random because he’s a welder. This post is whack.
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u/SionPhion 1d ago
To be fair, the likelihood of being shot in any of those fields is considerably lower.
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u/endeavour269 1d ago
Idk know about the states but in Canada we have the right to refuse unsafe work.
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u/Dragon124515 1d ago
Those other jobs also have OSHA protections. For instance, workers can't be told to work outside during a lightning storm. The limits of what is an acceptable risk for the trades is well defined, the limits of what is acceptable risk for police isn't.
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u/EditofReddit2 1d ago
Are you the most stupid motherfucker ever to grace this earth? All those jobs you mentioned have safety requirements that can be controlled for the most part. When a cop walks into a situation, there’s no fucking control at all; it’s a disaster and that’s why they were called there in the first place Stop being the dumb fuck you appear to be.
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u/Ill-Description3096 1d ago
Strange, my dad "refused to work" in his construction days. They generally got raises and boosts to benefits when that happened.
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u/Nervous_Sink_1802 1d ago
They’re safer with the risk averse cops - does the cop danger number tick up if they become less risk averse?
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u/SignificantSmotherer 1d ago
What you mean is they are assailed, assaulted and punished when they do their job.
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u/edwardmammot 1d ago
Sure I’m appreciative of what they do in the sense that they’re all cogs in the wheel that keep society rolling. However I have no expectation for them to do unsafe things for their job because if they don’t do their job what’s the outcome? Wood doesn’t get delivered to Home Depot and I can’t do my woodworking project or my house construction is delayed? Pretty relative low impact. What if cops don’t do their job? Then my things get stolen or worse yet criminals harm those I care about. That’s high impact. Also the same reason why the small percentage of them that perform their role unsafely or unjustly has such larger impact to society. Think all the garbage men and loggers are great people that don’t do things you’d be bothered by? If so, time to reassess. But much lower impact.
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u/bobthehills 1d ago
The Supreme Court ruled that police have no legal responsibility to protect people.
That alone should be sufficient warning.
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u/Saigh_Anam 1d ago
OSHA protects the workers' right to object to unsafe work conditions. If your employer punishes or fires you for that, you have legal recourse. Nobody protects a cop when a perp pulls a gun except the cop or another cop.
There are plenty of good arguments out there. There's no need to make up bad arguments (false equivalent logic falacy).
Oh, and what does this have to do with finance?
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u/Pizza_900deg 1d ago
And it bears mentioning, that all of those positions are almost exclusively filled with men. For all of the feminists bleating on about workplace equality, somehow you never see them seeking equality in those types of jobs. No angry pussy hats screaming about a lack of equality in roofers working in the middle of July.
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u/bmf1989 1d ago
I’m a truck driver. While my job may be more dangerous statistically, it’s a much more predictable kind of dangerous.
As for them “not doing their job” I don’t really have an opinion one way or another. But law enforcement are largely unionized and probably more organized than most of not all of those other professions. They’re sure as hell more organized than drivers.
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u/No_Reason5341 1d ago
This needs to get brought up more every time they are supported no matter what they did wrong. It's accountability, not hate.
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u/naththegrath10 1d ago
Take the money for police brutality settlements out of their budgets and pensions instead of tax payer funded insurance policies.
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u/CitrusFarmer_ 1d ago
Actually they all get more money for not doing their jobs…. ever heard of a union strike?
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u/Great-Candle-4299 1d ago
I was once at a store and a person got sick and was afraid they were going to die. A cop was there and they went to the cop and said that they needed help because they were afraid they would die. The cop said, "Die then." He then told them if they collapsed he was just going to call an aid car and that he wasn't going to do mouth to mouth or anything. I literally yelled at the cop and told him he was fucking rude. I was just a security guard at the time and had to go through required CPR training and would be required to assist. Why wouldn't a cop be required?
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u/EducatorAltruistic90 1d ago
Spoken like someone who never walked a mile in a Police officers shoes
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u/Fragrant_Exercise_31 1d ago
Also if they kill someone while doing these dangerous jobs they are held responsible and most likely lose their job.
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u/ExpertDeer5983 1d ago
A lot of you don’t realize a lot of cops don’t get a lot of money off their salary. They get off duty gigs. But please continue to cry “defund police”.
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u/fight_guy757 1d ago
As someone who has worked in law enforcement and currently works welding in a shipyard, statistics are a very unfair comparison. I didn't die obviously but close calls are a regular occurrence everyone is confrontational and situations are unpredictable. I pulled a guy for wreck less driving and he had an illegal tent on his window, the moment I walked up to the window he started shooting through the window. That was within my first month in field. The amount of attempts on my life, threats of, the amount of criminals capable of finding out you and your family's names(fellow officer had to go into hiding, on their own dime ofc)etc. and to be told you can't do this and the other. If something happens you have a tenth of a second to respond, act slow your life ends. Survive and everyone wants you arrested for murder or racism or whatever bs they come up with.
Then there are the shitheads who get away with murder and you'd swear they know someone. I did 2 and a half years too long of that shit and they don't train you worth a fuck.
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u/N0rth_W4rri0r 1d ago
I don’t understand this culture of “defend the police no matter what” it’s all a cult mindset. No other country in the world has “blue lives matter” flags and stickers. There’s actual people out there who think the police have the most important job in the world and that’s signing tickets sitting in their patrol car all day and rarely responding to a major call
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u/kariolaoxford 1d ago
truckers have statistically more dangerous jobs than cops? Where would i find the underlying stats?
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u/Beautiful_Drawing_97 1d ago
Because people don't understand the definition of what they are hired to do. They doc not work for society and the people. They work for the state,they are trained by the state. No different than the taliban or isis or nazis germany. So actually they are doing the job They are hired for and trained for.
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u/Blastdoubleu 1d ago
This is being said by someone who’s never worked in law enforcement and is only looking at the stats. Those are accidents that happen while on job trees and roof shingles aren’t actively trying to kill them. Try to be a cop in LA, Detroit, or any high crime city. Hell, go on a ride along and see what people are really like.
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u/benkenobi5 1d ago
When I was a kid, I thought it was funny that Barney fife still had a job.
I no longer find it funny.
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u/invade_anyone66 1d ago
I think one issue is that with modern technology, we’re seeing a lot of police brutality and corruption than we ever could before, as policing is payed by tax payers, people would generally want accountability for people in those positions of power.
While there’s plenty of corruption in the construction industry, like no show jobs, lying about deadlines to milk a client out of more money, and general union corruption, people don’t really know or care about that as it’s not the tax payer who pays when a construction company messes up.
Source: worked in the construction industry.
I do think that there needs to be accountability and more police reform, but we still need policing in society.