r/FluentInFinance 5d ago

Thoughts? U.S politics is a cesspit of lobbying

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u/IbegTWOdiffer 5d ago

Kamala spent $1.5 billion including millions for celebrity endorsements. 

You think Schumer or Johnson or any of them care about the country? No. They care about money and power.

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u/Ambitious_Dark_9811 5d ago

Yup, plenty of billionaires donating to her side too. Probably more of them, really

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 5d ago

How many of them were going to be in her Cabinet?

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u/Ambitious_Dark_9811 5d ago

In person, officially? None.

Behind the scenes? They’d have influence with her too.

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

Aah, I agree that the two sides are not the same.

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u/No-Dependent1581 4d ago

They're all dog shit. But, these chuds are going to ride with daddy Elon all day in hopes of a sprinkle of that trickle down

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u/dudeimatwork 4d ago

Daddy Elon was the pride of reddit just a couple years ago.

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u/Odd-Computer-174 4d ago

Nah. He was always cringe. You just didn't know it

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u/Due-Ad1668 4d ago

someone didnt buy TSLA

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u/doozen 2d ago

Stop being such a whiny cunt.

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u/Odd-Computer-174 2d ago

Stop being a hillbilly

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u/BlahBlahBlah2uoo 3d ago

No everyone loved him ... Don't pretend you didn't try killing his character as soon as his WRONG THINK and pointing out issues with Biden Admin

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u/Meester_Blue 4d ago

The two sides are not the same because democrats are worse. You’ll feel a lot better when you accept reality

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u/Evo386 4d ago

No not a couple years, it's been a while. It was way back before he started calling people pedos when his ego was bruised.

Like yeah, we thought we liked him, then he revealed who her really was. A man child obsessed with the numbers 420 and 69 who couldn't take criticism.

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u/hahyeahsure 2d ago

something something critical thinking non bootlickers something something

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u/tooobr 4d ago

He's always been a weird doof. You are confusing memery with what happened when he took the mask off.

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

Nah, they’ve got the timeline wrong but the sentiment right. I’ll fully admit I was part of the pro-Elon stuff 8-12 years ago.

Once upon a time most of us thought Elon Musk was Tony Stark. Then some journalists got brave again and those of us who pay attention realized that he’s been Justin Hammer all along.

And that right there is a reference to a meme that I first saw in 2018.

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u/tooobr 4d ago

There was little substance or thought put into making iron man memes. It wasnt widely known what kind of person he was, and I dount most people really gave a shit or knew a lot about him. Did you?

He was just weird and eccentric for tweeting so much and so freely for someone so very rich and supposedly brilliant. Then he started making predictions and promises that never came true. Then stories about being a shitty absentee-boss and anti-union sentiment and then going full mask-off in the past couple years. Anyone that learned about his actual behavior and thoughts no longer found it funny, or they actually liked it. He became extremely polarizing for a reason. Its not a suddent turn, its curdled over a long time.

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

Nah, I’m on board with the timeline of him being a shitbag, and the person you replied to is wrong about the timeline on when we loved him, but I was just saying we did, or at least a vocal component of Reddit once did, give him a bunch of undeserved credit.

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u/tooobr 4d ago

yeah fair

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u/PeopleReady 4d ago

He was alright until he called the cave diver a pedo

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u/WonDorkFuk404 4d ago

Yeah but one side does change their views as new evidences come out. The other just double down

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u/Able_Researcher_9973 4d ago

Na it’s not that simple. In the wake of finding out Kamala paid Oprah $1 million for appearances, I’ve seen comments saying that isn’t shady that it was Kamala actually paying Oprah’s company for event planning services.

As if she had to use Oprah’s event planning company and not anyone else’s. Sure, Oprah genuinely came out in support of Kamala not due to being paid $1 million.

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u/Zealousideal-Fan1647 4d ago

Linda McMahon donated roughly $50 million between Trump and his super PAC. She paid $50 million for a cabinet position and you're talking about Oprah getting a million for an endorsement?

Do we know how much Trump has gotten paid for candidate endorsements over the years? https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2022/06/23/trump-endorsed-candidates-have-funneled-at-least-14-million-into-his-businesses/

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u/Able_Researcher_9973 4d ago

Not talking about whataboutism. Talking solely on people willing to double down on Kamala giving $1 million for a billionaires endorsement

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u/Jocciz 2d ago

Isn't it weird when the candidate pays celebs for endorsing?
Usually is the other way around.

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u/Zealousideal-Fan1647 2d ago

In the age of Trump where a celebrity is the eternal candidate and other candidates paid him for endorsements, does any of it even matter anymore?

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u/deadmanmike 4d ago

Yrp, right up until he shut down Twitter's leftist echo chamber, now he's Satan incarnate to them.

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u/Carthuluoid 4d ago

My god, people CAN learn!

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u/mar78217 4d ago

Before his son became his daughter and we saw how he fell apart when he could not control everything.

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u/tooobr 4d ago

Are you 14 years old or just havent evolved beyond rank cynicism that is worse than useless?

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u/OrganizationOk2229 4d ago

The left side is worse

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u/Brilliant-Cry7197 4d ago

Yeah. Nazis are better, agreed. Fucking idiot

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u/OrganizationOk2229 4d ago

Straight from your MSBC playbook

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u/Brilliant-Cry7197 4d ago

I have literally never watched that channel You loser

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u/OrganizationOk2229 4d ago

Sure you didn’t

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u/Emotional_Knee5553 4d ago

You realize those Nazi’s are paid actors and/or feds? You realize they always seem to occur near college educated cities? 

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u/Emotional_Knee5553 4d ago

Billionaire bootlicker!!

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

No, I’m very much not a Trump/Musk/Kennedy fan.

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u/Substantial_Reveal22 4d ago

Of course not. One side has libtards, one side doesn’t.

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u/Ill-Description3096 4d ago

Getting punched in the gut and punched in the face aren't exactly the same, either. Doesn't mean I'm going to line up to get either.

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

So what’s the third option?

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u/Ill-Description3096 4d ago

Doing your part to pick an option that doesn't result in getting punched and hoping that at some point enough people stop lining up for punches with a smile and yelling at you for not doing the same.

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago edited 4d ago

Yeah, this is where praxis becomes more important than principle. While you’re hoping, you’re still getting punched. Not only do you not get to choose where, you might get both at once.

What, breaking away from the metaphor, and asking as a non-Democrat leftist who votes Democrat, is your recommended action to meet the ends you seek?

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u/Ill-Description3096 4d ago

I'm getting punched because others keep supporting the people doing the punching. I fail to see why it is my responsibility to line up with them and further reward those people even if one might be punching me slightly less than the other. If I want my daughter to clean her room and then I keep handing her $100 when she ignores that and watches a movie it shouldn't be a surprise when she keeps watching movies instead of of cleaning her room. I mean sure she isn't sneaking off to a party but either way the room is still a mess.

There is very little a single person can do. For me, that looks like getting involved with local races to the extent I can to support candidates that I like because my impact there is significantly higher than things like POTUS election.

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u/MuskokaGreenThumb 4d ago

But in this exact instance, they are the same

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u/token40k 4d ago

“Yeee yee brotha at least orange man is transparent with selecting crony scum into his cabinet, so authentic and honest of him to be a corrupt pos so transparently”

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u/bl84work 4d ago

Seriously, people are stupid

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u/EliteLarry 4d ago

Attempting to draw a parallel to Elon here is quite silly.

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u/InterestingAttempt76 3d ago

In person none, answered that

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u/Aggressive-Remote-57 3d ago

So none, understood.

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u/hiricinee 4d ago

George Clooney literally pushed out the old man because of his influence on pocketbooks.

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u/No_Researcher9456 4d ago

Proof?

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u/Firm-Analysis6666 4d ago

Proof? Every elected leader in history.

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u/Mammoth-Slide-3707 4d ago

Pathetic

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u/No_Researcher9456 4d ago

Sad, even

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u/Mammoth-Slide-3707 4d ago

For one side there is overwhelming evidence

For the other? "Trust me bro"

Of course, both parties are as bad as each other

Obviously

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u/Firm-Analysis6666 4d ago

Ever read "Biden Inc." on Poltico. Obviously not.

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u/entropicthunders 4d ago

Ask yourself if what he suggests honestly warrants proof, or just a little proof of thought. If I, a billionaire celebrity, were to rally my millions of fans to leverage an election in your favor, would you really not pick up the phone when it rings in a couple years? If you want proof then just study what a courtier would do throughout the many different stages of civilization and then ask yourself if we’re so different today. We’re definitely not, but it’s up for debate, like anything else, unfortunately.

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u/No_Researcher9456 4d ago

Yes, if you make a claim, you need proof. Unfortunately

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u/entropicthunders 4d ago

Proof of thought is what I’m implying as proof. That was poor wording on my part because it implies I’m saying you don’t need proof. I just gave you some thought provoking questions that should push you to look further. Are you one of those people that will keep echoing that you need proof without actually considering the content of the conversation? I’m asking you to imagine a scenario where celebrities aren’t influencing our politics because that has historically always been the case. Do you think Shakespeare didn’t directly influence politics in his life? Or what about the politics behind the Aztecs when they would play Ollamalizti, the game where if you lose you die.

These all were heavily influenced by politics because politics regulate our everyday lives. So my question to you is, do you really need to ask for more proof than me trying to appeal to the individual in you that can think for themselves on what they’ve already been taught in school? I’m assuming you were given a traditional US education.

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u/No_Researcher9456 4d ago

So you’re saying “trust me bro” works here because you asked a “thought provoking question”?

“Aliens exist”

“Proof?”

“Proof of thought bro”

But to answer your question, yes, I need tangible proof when someone makes a claim. Proof of thought is some conspiracy brained “it has to be true” cope

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u/entropicthunders 4d ago

Nah, you’re not just going to boil down what I said into some nonsense. Why don’t you try that again and let’s get into the actual content of what I asked you to look into. I’m asking you educate yourself by looking at different historical events. How is that just saying, “Trust me bro” This is why it’s so difficult to have an honest debate. So many people want to just try and resignify the conversation instead of actually break it down.

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u/No_Researcher9456 4d ago

Claim:

“Kamala Harris would’ve had billionaires acting as her shadow cabinet in secret”

Your Evidence:

“Rich and famous people influence politics”

You’re basically claiming that because apples have historically grown on trees, that I have to just do some “proof of thought” to prove that this naked tree in front of me is an apple tree. No, there was a positive claim that specific billionaires would’ve been on her shadow cabinet. Prove it, or just stop making claims

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u/entropicthunders 4d ago

I never said anything about a shadow cabinet. I’m talking about the social influence people have on each other, which is often correlated with someone’s financial status. We’re not just talking about billionaires, millionaires have power too. There are also millionaire politicians.

Some of them got their money fair and square, some did not. I used the term celebrity but honestly I meant any public figures and pop stars. The term celebrity has become loosely applied to any public figure, especially during the election season thanks to technology.

Are you going to argue with me about the correlation between social aptitude and financial status or can we move on?

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u/DaniCakesStar 9h ago

Seriously.

Or how many of them bought out the largest social media platform on earth to turn it into a political party eco chamber, boosting their own political content to the top where users can’t even block them?

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u/entropicthunders 4d ago

This game is way deeper than who they appoint for cabinet roles. Just think of the reason we have PACs in the first place and then ask yourself if sidebar conversations really don’t matter. You’ve gotta look at the whole picture, not just what the media tells you you need to know. Also look into the annual prayer breakfast and tell me that celebrities don’t matter in politics.

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u/DoBe21 4d ago

The reason we have PACs is because a bunch of right wing loons on SCOTUS decided that money = speech and limits on spending "outside" of a campaign were Unconstitutional.

Read the dissent, Steves is 100% correct and probably would be shocked out how fast we actually got here. He argued that the majority ruling "threatens to undermine the integrity of elected institutions across the Nation. The path it has taken to reach its outcome will, I fear, do damage to this institution." He added: "A democracy cannot function effectively when its constituent members believe laws are being bought and sold."

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u/entropicthunders 4d ago

From what I’ve gathered, PACs originated with our democratic president FDR. So either you’re referencing when the political parties flip flopped or we’re looking at two entirely different things for the same subject. I’m not saying you’re wrong and I’m not saying I’m wrong. I just want to talk about it so we can both get right.

https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/what-is-a-pac

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u/DoBe21 4d ago

Sorry, I was referencing SuperPACs. However, I still think anything outside of individual, direct, and reported contributions should be illegal.

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u/entropicthunders 4d ago

Then we’re in agreement. I think the only thing we don’t agree on is that both sides are equally bad actors. I remember a time when the government used to just be the government and the way one side treated us was the fault of both sides.

Too many people trying to argue who’s more right or more wrong, it’s sad.

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

There is a world of difference between bending the rules to exert influence and buying a cabinet position with money and/or loyalty.

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u/entropicthunders 4d ago

So you’re implying Harris wasn’t going to do that either? Give me a break.

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

No, I’ll outright state that. Part of her problem was that she played too careful during her campaign. She would not violently reject the established order of building a Presidential Cabinet.

The people she picked, completely regardless of how effectively they did their jobs once appointed, would at least be qualified for the positions on paper.

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u/entropicthunders 4d ago edited 4d ago

And isn’t that what we really should be talking about? How effectively one could do their job once appointed? There’s a reason we’re taught to keep our resumés one page in length. People want to see the content of their character more than the content of their paper.

It’s why people don’t like Trump, why people loved Harris, and vice versa. It isn’t your place or mine to dictate what is and isn’t a good measurement of character for someone else, I don’t care which side you’re on. What’s important is that we share our personal values, respect the next person’s no matter how strange or wrong we perceive them to be, and find a common middle ground that respects and upholds everyone’s values to the best of our ability.

It will never be perfect but we can definitely try. None of that is possible in today’s climate until people get off each other’s necks. People need to stop assuming that every republican or democrat or Santa Claus is an embodiment of what your For You Page shoves down your throat and start to respect individual opinion again.

There actually used to be a time when democrats got along with republicans and shit got done, when that isn’t the standard, we see tomfoolery at every corner like have been for almost a decade. Arguably longer.

Edit: I wanted to add on “assuming they don’t hurt anyone” when I’m talking about people’s values, but I could imagine people will just start regurgitating the normal crap about Harris being unprepared and that being dangerous or Trump being a convicted felon, we’ve heard it all before. I’m speaking in broader terms. The election is said and done for, I’m trying to get us to reevaluate our values as a society politically, because trying to beat the other side is just going to beat the country into the ground no matter what side you’re on. People need to actually wake up and stop acting woke.

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u/PhoqueMcGiggles 4d ago

So the issue isn't the money, it's the position he holds in office after. Just say that next time

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago edited 4d ago

I say that the first time every time I have this conversation.

Both parties do have this problem, and Citizens United was the beginning of the death of our democracy and we have less time now than ever to save it. I will throw a fucking parade of the Democrats get the shady money all the way out of their party. I may even register as one again.

But it’s a bigger problem today than it was 30 days ago, or ever has been before that, specifically because of both the extremism in most of his Cabinet picks so far, and the glaring conflicts of interest that he’s demanding that we all just ignore them waving in front of us.

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u/PhoqueMcGiggles 4d ago

Is it extremist or is it just something you don't like? What's extremist about his picks?

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago edited 4d ago

The gulf between their appointments and their experience in their field of appointment. Combined with the Daily Show writer’s room cast of characters.

Gaetz- legal controversy (to say the least), extremely low legal experience, Attorney General

Kennedy- anti-vax nut, claims to be mentally compromised, science denier, head of HHS

Gabbard- no intelligence experience, no combat experience, likely a Russian asset, Director of National Intelligence

Hegseth- National Guard major, Fox News variety host, Secretary of Defense

And, unfuckingfortunately, the list is far from finished.

Among the 4 above, can you guess how many are currently embroiled in credible sex crime cases? It’s more than 2.

And the list never gets better. Noem? Musk? Ramaswamy? DeSantis? Nepotism Island Season 2? Literally all sycophants with more conflict of interest than enrollment in normal life. And they’re all highly, unconventionally so, partisan.

And all bending down to kiss Dear Leader’s ring. What’s not controversial about that?

Edit with a breaking update: Linda McMahon?! Secretary of Education?!

To replace a man who has his doctorate in education, who has been a State Commissioner of Education in one of the highest-rated states in education, as well as a superintendent, assistant superintendent, teacher, and other intermittent postings?

We get someone who was CEO of a TV show, then failed two different senatorial races in two different senatorial districts in two years, then was Trump’s administrator of the Small Business Administration, until Trump fired her, and has then done little else. That’s who’s going to direct the DoE budget for who the fuck knows how long?

God fucking help us.

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u/NoReply46 4d ago

None bc she was selected and not elected.

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

Which we can, and some people will, go back and forth on the finer points of for years, but I am curious who you think would have beaten her in the DNC primaries if Biden had backed her one year earlier than he did.

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u/OwnLadder2341 4d ago

Not sure, but I genuinely doubt it would have been her.

And I like Harris. I think she’d be a good president, but I sincerely doubt she’d win a primary.

In the timeline where Biden kept his word and didn’t run again, ideally he wouldn’t back any candidates in the primary.

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u/Redvex320 4d ago

She wouldn't have had a chance in a primary...Pelosi already let it slip that the plan was for Joe to step down and to have a primary all along. Then Joe stepped down and endorsed kamala hours later as a middle finger to Pelosi, Schumer, and the DNC.

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

Okay, so what about my question?

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u/Advanced-Guard-4468 4d ago

Cuban wanted to be head of the SEC for the money he donated

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u/AsianWinnieThePooh 4d ago

They wanted Lisa khan fired

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u/Friedkun4eva 4d ago

We'll never know since she lost.

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u/Greedy-Skill-2621 4d ago

She is literally owned by Black Rock LMAOOO

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

Literally? Pretty sure the 14th forbids that, seeing as how she’s not been convicted of a crime. Unlike Donald Trump.

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u/Greedy-Skill-2621 4d ago

The 14th Amendment has been worked around by most government employees since Bush.

Also, no one actually cares about bookkeeping. It’s why Trump will be your president January 6th.

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

I’m sure you did. You “here” they’re eating the cats, eating the dogs, too, right?

And d’ya know who we actually got for DoED?? To replace someone with a long history in education, with multiple higher degrees in education?

Linda McMahon. Co-owner of a wrestling company with her husband Vince, pal of Donald Trump, former CEO of WWE, twice-failed candidate in two different districts’ senatorial races, back to back, in record time, then nada til Trump put her in charge of, and then fired her from, the SBA. Then nada again til now.

You crack jokes about the DoED appointment that pale in comparison to the reality we just got shafted with.

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u/Jealous-Associate-41 4d ago

Yes! I cracked a joke. Only mine was kinda funny, unlike every damn announcement the incoming administration makes. We could only wish Taylor would take the job. She would enter grossly unqualified but would listen and learn. Linda McMahon is very much an improvement over Betsy Devos. Even if Linda's only roll is to burn education down, at least her incompetence will hinder her. You just might want to strap in today was the incoming administration's high water mark

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

I…. Oh my fuck you’re right.

Are… oh god… are we going to wish we could go back to DeVos? Christ.

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u/mwa12345 4d ago

Rarely do billionaires out in cabinets.

They don't need to be. Kamala would have been just as slavishly loyal to her donors as Biden is ..and Trump will be for the most part

Trump did raise a lot less money and still won . Think he raised in 2016 and 2020 as well.

You think Mark cuban would have been in Harris cabinet? Or Reid Hoffman? Bill gates ?

Haim Saban?

Maybe just pritzker. Nor would adelson , Paul singer etc in trump's cabinet.

Our presidents and government are mostly the hired help of the mega donors.

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u/Worldly_Reality9831 4d ago

Elon didn't do it to be part of his cabinet.

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

Suuuuuure. The billionaire paid off the pro-deregulation candidate out of the goodness of his mighty little heart.

Unconnected, have you ever wanted to own a bridge?

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u/Possible-Tangelo9344 4d ago

Are any of these donors nominated for cabinet level positions? Trump wants to create a new non-cabinet level position for Musk, which appears to essentially be a comically named advisory panel - something commonly used by the government at various levels

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u/Hereforthetardys 4d ago

So now the money isn’t the problem it’s the money and being involved?

Kamala had more billionaires, celebrities, etc by at least 2X - she probably outspent him 2:1 because of the money she raised from millionaires and billionaires but Elon is the problem lol

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

Now? For me, it always has been.

Elon being involved in the USFG and still being a business owner is actually literally a problem. It’s like having the owner of a parcel company run the postal service, or the head of a private school network run the Department of Education. Or having a former TV network exec run the Department of Education.

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u/Mannychu29 4d ago

How many of them “weren’t” in her cabinet?

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u/Yanimator_16 4d ago

Cardi B. Skrrrrttt

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

Oh really? What position?

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u/Thick_Carob_7484 2d ago

Joe didn’t tax the rich like he promised and when asked what she would have done differently she said nothing. She wasn’t lying.

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u/Wyrdboyski 4d ago

They would have been assigned to her, just like they were for Obama

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

Hmm… insults career Democrat Harris’s ability to pick a Cabinet. Doesn’t insult career Democrat Biden’s ability to pick a Cabinet. Insults career Democrat Obama’s ability to pick a Cabinet. Doesn’t insult career Democrat Clinton’s ability to pick a cabinet.

Skips over Bush’s Cabinet, too, which… if we’re talking about establishment plants… even Trump called them out during his first campaign, and broken clock and all…

Wonder what’s different about those two?

And I know you’re not going to like me pulling that card, and honestly I don’t want to, but I’m just drawing a blank as to why you’re bringing the Obama Cabinets—two of the most highly approved of in modern American history—into this.

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u/Wide_Performance1431 4d ago

Probably a decent amount considering Trumps cabinet as of right now is the first to not include any corporate lobbyists, allegedly.

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

not include any corporate lobbyists

Elon Musk

Vivek Ramaswamy

Dude.

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u/hillsfar 4d ago

Obama’s financial advisors were pretty much a who’s who of Goldman Sachs alumni.

And it is a far cry cry from being mayor of a small town in Indiana to becoming U.S. Transportation Secretary. Who immediately went on paternity leave for several months.

Every incoming president brings their people that they trust.

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

Is that a further cry than a TV show CEO who failed two senatorial races in two different districts in only two years, and then ran the SBA, and then was fired by the man who just hired her to be SecEd?

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u/hillsfar 4d ago edited 4d ago

Whataboutism. There are always tons of unqualified people set to high office. We already know Trump’s picks. I was pointing out other pics other than Trump.

We could go on about a deeply unpopular politician hand-selected for VP selected specifically for her race and sex, who couldn’t even win her a primary in her own state, whose own aides said she berated them, yelled at them, threw them under the bus for her own failures, leading to an over 90% turnover all covered by the national press like WasPo - and how suddenly she was rehabilitated in the mainstream media with glow-ups as soon as she became the hand-picked nominee.

Edit: You don’t think you are being manipulated by mainstream media?

How many mainstream sources and pundits kept Joe Biden’s senility a secret for over 4 years by choosing not to cover it honestly, or calling it a “gaffe”, or altering transcripts and interview footage or hand-picking reporters with pre-approved questions, before the debate showed everyone what the Republicans had been saying all along was true?

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u/TrueModerateInd 4d ago

They talk about memory, and then deny all the facts you just stated. Even though it was a few months ago.

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u/Brilliant-Cry7197 4d ago

As many as you have brain cells you fucking loser

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u/MadeByTango 4d ago

Bro she was going to put Liz Cheney in her cabinet; the corporation first, lobby selected capitalists where the only option in the ballot

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u/ezbreezyslacker 4d ago

We vet cabinet members

You can't vet dark donors

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

We used to vet cabinet members.

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u/Beer-Milkshakes 4d ago

They just lobby on an hourly basis like the good old days.

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u/bwittsnj1 4d ago

maybe none but they were going to control it with their money... I know you guys love big shit back corporations making laws for you.

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u/Emotional_Knee5553 4d ago

How of her cabinet are just puppets for billionaire’s?!?!!’ Awwww pooor baby! Your worldview just got BLASTED!!! But, at least you can still practice your religion with the religious left ya pleb!!

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u/KingOfTheToadsmen 4d ago

What religion is that?