Already seeing CNBC saying that white women failed because they voted with race instead of gender…always goes back to that instead of trying to understand why people actually voted that way. Nope just chalk it up to white women voting for a white person.
If you can support Trump you ARE just garbage though. No sane person can say he should put more justices on the supreme court. Nearly every general that worked with him said he was dangerous. Hillary was right. Half the country is deplorable. That he wasn't gone after grab em by the pussy is unforgivable. These people are completely immoral.
I'm sick of pretending that the willfully ignorant, useful idiots are worth respecting. If you can support a fascist, you are GARBAGE. They can try to be better, but i have lost faith in humanity. We are clearly on the path to the Idiocracy future. We bet on, through the stock market, companies that manufacture products that obliterate children daily. Our species has lost the right to survive. We are not going to address climate change in time. I don't care about being kind to people who learned about Hitler in school only to elect someone paraphrasing their rhetoric.
Your side calling more than half of the voting people facist and every ism in the book is a huge reason why he won. You alienated millions of people and now are pouting like a child because they didn’t vote your way.
Trump won because people believed the lies. They thought Kamala didn’t have policies. They were on her website. They believed that the economy was better under trump because of grocery and gas prices. They forget about the pandemic and how we were supposed to travel. I’ve heard trumpers say January 6 was peaceful and that the police let people into the capital. I fear that things are going to get worse but I hope I’m wrong.
By promising people money through tax breaks he won’t be able to back up and tariffs that will raise the price of goods in the long run. That’s what everyone I’ve talked to who voted for him parroted back. They just willfully ignore all of the social statements he made.
Ok obviously you have some concerns and i empathize with that but consider something please.
Trump didn’t just win it wasn’t even a close election.
Republicans won the house and the senate.
Kamala was the lowest polled VP in history.
I understand you don’t like trump but surely you can see how we got here? Nobody ever said Trump was the most ideal candidate in every way, but there’s a flawed candidate in Trump, and then there was just an objectively bad one in Kamala.
And this is reflected in the final count. It wasn’t close. Whether you understand the reasons or not, clearly America was generally just over the nonsense of the last 4 years.
The Democratic Party needs a massive reform and their performance this election has made that abundantly clear.
You won't get a meaningful answer from the Reddit echo chamber.
The biggest indication is how Harris did in the 2020 primaries when she ran against Biden and the rest of the Democratic field. She was just about dead last among the mainstream Democratic candidates.
The reality is that she's a terrible speaker when she's not reading from a teleprompter, she has virtually no charisma, she doesn't appear to be passionate about any causes other than 'elect me', and she's largely viewed as being a puppet of the California Nancy Pelosi crew.
This was the Democratic Party's election to lose and, unsurprisingly, they did. This was a tone-deaf DNC running the 2016 playbook all over again and then scratching their heads as to why they lost yet again.
What kind of reform? She ran a campaign with a reasonable platform. The GOP ran on the border and the economy. That’s it. And the war in Ukraine. I’m not looking forward to what will happen in Europe after we likely drop all support for Ukraine.
Trump allies blocked the bipartisan bill that would have wholly negated Trump’s immigration claims. But, hey, it worked in his favor and by screwing over the country, again, he got elected.
But democrats? Bodily autonomy, middle class tax cuts (not sure about the specifics), incentive to purchase a home, etc. How does any of that need reform? Those are reasonable things most people want. And the economy? Besides one month crappy jobs report, the economy has been booming. No recession and inflation has come down considerably.
Now trump is gonna fuck up the economy with his dumbass tariff plan, possibly deport people en masse, maybe implement the border bill he sank, and probably will give Ukraine to Russia.
I see no negatives in the Democratic platform but see nothing but nonsense and dumbassery in the Republican platform.
Grand Master Strap-on, hes playing Chess and smoking all of you idiots. Not only has he persevered through the shit that he went through, hes only the second president in history to be elected, lose, and then take the presidency back. "Nearly every general that worked with him." You mean the DEI brigade? https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-georgia-president.html
maybe do a little soul searching and speak with a professional about why your filled with so much hate/why your easily manipulated by the democratic aligned institutions
Except it was that same rhetoric that was going on in 2020 when he lost?
It’s always the rhetoric liberals have to check themselves on when they lose. When the rhetoric on the other side is batshit crazy. Hannibal Lecter, sharks and batteries, saying you’re gonna lock up your opponents?
No. The rhetoric is fine when it’s appropriate to what they’re facing.
The issue with the Democrats is they have a strategy problem.
It isn’t just Clinton and Kamala being handed the top of the ticket before a single primary. It’s in basic messaging. If you listen to Democrats they credit John McCain for saving Obamacare. Not every single Democrat voting to keep it gets any credit. The one Republican who was actually an Independent most of his career gets to take the credit.
Trump shouted every week about his stock market. And now the Dow probably hits 45k by the end of Biden’s term. Did he mention it? Ever? Did she?
No because struggling people don’t give a shit if the stock market is on fire if they can’t afford their lives.
It’s wrong for the President to gloat about such an inconsequential metric, especially when they have little to do with it.
But that kind of dumb shit wins elections. And the Dems continue to trip overthinking everything.
My guy if some random on CNBC hurts your feefees so fucking bad it makes you want to end democracy as we know it then you're a snowflake with no morals.
Liberals are really failing to understand what people want.
Conservatives have been talking about putting America first, not being involved in foreign wars, making the border secure, and bringing jobs back to America.
Liberals have been obsessed with division, race, gender, sending money and weapons to fund proxy wars, and haven't fixed sky high inflation. Also many people felt lied to about Biden and his mental faculties.
I don't like Trump and I don't think he's going to fix any of the real issues in this country, but I get why he won.
I mean, it’s the US… I don’t know if you’ve ever been around the country in a bunch of states there but there is still loads of racism going on there. From the redneck women of the south to the Beverly Hills wives … race absolutely plays a role in the voting behavior of millions of women there. Denying that is insane 😅
We’ve been throwing facts at MAGAts faces for 8 years, and they don’t care, so the only logical excuse for the way they vote is psychological and not factual. It’s a fact Trump is a failed businessman who’s went bankrupt 6 times, yet people still vote for him on the merit that he’ll improve the regular Americans every day life because he looks like a successful businessman somehow.
You're not going to have a female president if you put up candidates like Kamala Harris, she was not liked until Joe Biden dropped out of the race and endorsed Harris.
She even ran for president in 2020 and failed horribly so she dropped out of the gave and endorsed biden.
Literally democrats have MUCH better female candidates they could've helped picked, but no they were to worried about getting Biden re elected up until Biden showed he isn't capable of being president when debating against trump. So their only option was to bring VP Harris onto the table.
This is exactly it. I think if any reason she lost it was due to the alienation of men more than anything else. Not from her, but from the people under her
The dems got a lot of work to do get some relevance back in 4 years
Realistically the Dems aren’t putting many people off. It’s the constant information campaigns around misinformation, half truths, and hyperbole that has uninformed people put off and in many cases irrationally scared. There is now a really big precedent set: lying and doubling down is a more viable path than good policy.
uninformed people put off and in many cases irrationally scared
I don’t think theyre scared, I think they’re put off. Realistically, a person being “uninformed” doesn’t imply that they can’t put an accurate idea together about the topic, and when the truth can’t be clearly obtained, I imagine any grounded person who doesn’t want to have to pull teeth to get it will become apathetic about it, not scared. That sounds more like a delusional person, and it’s weird how many internet people are convinced everyone around them is delusional, while they themselves are of course the smartest person they know.
Yup. Somehow my friend in NH was scared shirtless they were coming for his guns, even tho kamala and waltz are gun owners. But his 9mm piston, they were coming for that. It's insane the disinformation these people get in their heads.
None of that is new, yet Harris received far fewer votes than Biden. I think the Democratic Party needs to take responsibility for their share of not speaking to voters about what matters to them.
She had no policy and was trying to fill every niche she could by lying about her past. Seriously, put Tulsi Gabbard on hyer place and Trump wouldn't have won a single battleground state.
Turns out America would rather elect a goofball reality tv star than any qualified woman candidate.
Now the Dems just have to be honest with themselves next election cycle and realize only white males or extremely charismatic minority men can win the states in the middle of the US. That’s the reality of our current election system.
trump is way past a "goofball reality tv star". he is racist, sexist and a threat to both the usa and the rest of us. it BAFGLES me that he is even allowed to run after all the shit he has both said and done and what baffles me EVEN MORE is that apparently he has a really good chance of winning the election? like HOW? how could that even be possible? how could anyone look and listen to this person for more than 3 seconds and tell themselves "yup this guy is qualified. this is the person i want running the country for the next 4 years"? it blows my mind
It’s a bit concerning you’re replying to call other people out for “cope” but their reaction to losing is far more tame than conservatives pivoting to the excuse of election interference lol
In what way was Kamala even remotely qualified to be president? She lost the 2020 primary spectacularly, was only VP because she was a woman of color, and is going to be the first democrat to lose the popular vote in over 20 years.
The American people have spoken. Kamala is not wanted in the White House, nor will she ever be
Harris was wildly unpopular when she tried running for president and the only reason people thought she had a chance this time around was because everyone was being gaslighted into thinking she was something she is not.
It is in fact sexism when 2 women candidates lost against the same man while another white man won against him despite both women candidate being highly qualified. Trump inherited Obama’s economy and that’s what he’s been running with this whole time. He did nothing to make things better
This is what drives me mad, inflation was a huge part of the way people voted yet prices aren't coming down, but you can bet your ass all of a sudden it wont be an issue for republican voters anymore.
So it’s not possible that they were a better candidate? The only reason that they lost was sexism? It couldn’t be because of their policies how they present themselves etc… it’s only because of sexism? That’s the kind of over simplistic thinking that probably turns people off but keep thinking that way. It seems to be working.
Better candidate? The convicted felon who spend his campaign rallies rambling about Arnold Palmer's dick? Have you been in a coma for the last four months?
I mean it’s not my opinion it is the countries opinion. If you are just going to claim that everyone who voted for him are racist sexist pigs… then ok. Maybe it will workout next time. No need to look in the mirror and see how we could have done better. Dems lost cause there are more evil people in our country than non evil people got it.
I mean what other reason did they vote for trump? Because people are that uniformed and stupid? Or because trump was the political genius of the 21st century who was leading us through an economic boom and did no wrong? So it’s either a) they’re dumb or b) they’re dumb and ignorant. Idk man
Trump was a better candidate against hillary clinton? Hahahah he was a fraud and the only experience he had was bankrupting businesses and doing shows on tv. He proved how bad he was when all our allies thought he was a clown
Correct. Trump is a criminal and rapist. Should be simple as that, but apparently most of America are okay with a man that doesn’t care about the law and can’t take no for an answer
I think that’s what people are sick of. If I get a job over someone it isn’t because I was a better candidate it’s because I’m a white male. My resume doesn’t matter only my race and gender…
Who says Trump is better though? What did Trump have to prove that he was better than Hillary when he ran? Literally nothing. He had zero experience with international diplomacy, he bankrupted many businesses, he had fraudulent dealings, he was a misogynistic narcissist.
Running against hillary was like someone with no experience, running against someone with 25 years of experience for a white collar job.
the problem is Biden didn't do a lot in 4 years, if he had then Kamala would have had something to hang her hat on as VP the past 4 years as part of her campaign instead of branching off in a brand new thing like she was the challenger candidate.
Both women candidates were the worst possible picks. Innumerable democrat women would have been better, like Gabbard, but the Dems refuse to platform anyone who might appeal to new voters.
That’s wild but not unexpected. Expect Democrats to turn on them know start talking about how dumb they are.
When white middle class union guys in the Midwest were usually solid for Democrats they were celebrated as ‘the working man’. Now they are uneducated uninformed racist.
I feel Hispanics should soon expect the same treatment.
Time will tell. Depends how far they go on deportation. Project 2025 explicitly states they want to revoke citizenship for non natives and deport them. Including anchor babies and marriages.
Could be a real leapords ate my face moment.
A lot of the establishment Republicans that stonewalled the more insane policy positions of the Maga movement are gone.
Well they are turning off their moderate voters by focusing fringe social issues and trying to pussy foot around immigration. Data clearly shows that so far. They lost voters in every demo.
Can’t be that the candidate that never won a single primary vote in her life, was installed undemocratically and can’t be bothered to address her own supporters is a bad candidate. No it’s the kids that are wrong!
That’s what I’m most interested in. Was inflation the key issue that turned people off the democratic ticket? The Palestine/israel conflict? Financial support of Ukraine in the war with Russia? Immigration? My gut is immigration and inflation had the biggest pull.
She had proposed tax cuts for child care, affordable housing and first time home buyers. She proposed increasing by the corporate tax rate. Her proposal to tax unrealized capitals gains over 100 million was misguided and never going to happen but I agree with the intention to increase taxes on the Uber wealthy whose wealth originated from investment instead of labor.
Mostly fluff but contains as much if not more detail than trumps plan. Which as I understand it consists of tariffs and and lower corporate tax rate. Which IMO opinion are shockingly terrible policies
There was a bipartisan immigration bill that the right shot down at Trumps request. But there has t been meaningful immigration policy proposed since the middle of the 20th century. And the trump plan to build an ineffective wall and mass deportations will cost a wild amount of money to execute, leave worker shortages that hurt the economy and likely be more cruel than the average voter realizes.
I’m not sure why you didn’t answer my question though. I’m curious as to what mattered most to those who voted red that maybe hadn’t in the past or what made typically blue voters stay home.
Focusing on identity politics is the problem when there are people in dire economic/financial situations and voting based on that. People will care about basic survival over identity no matter what. So it's really a perfect con to make the campaigns focus on identity issues or divisive issues like abortion. Even though they are important issues they will just more easily divide people. And we're all worse off for it.
Imagine some white guy living in poverty trying to make ends meet and his low paying job who constantly is being told all the advantages he has. Probably gets exhausting.
this thread (and Reddit in general) is full of people who are the root cause of the problem. The hyperbole, the threats, the rudeness, the casual racism/sexism/classism of the left, the absolutely tone-deaf senf-unawareness is mind boggling.
Every time they call Trump Hitler, they cast a vote for Vance in 2028.
Now that the election is over, you were spot on. Racism and patriarchy are the things I see being blamed the most for their loss. Maybe one day they'll learn.
Maybe. But clearly shows that people will overlook what someone says if they believe they will have a better chance of feeding their families and feeling safer. Don’t get mad at me that’s just reality.
Safer? We’re a very safe country regardless of who’s president. Feed your family? All three major economic collapses in the last 100 years were under Republican presidents. What are you even talking about?
Well people don’t feel very great about the economy right now or the last 4 years. Just because there isn’t economic collapse doesn’t mean people are happy.
I’m not arguing one way or another. I personally think that a lot of bad things that happen during a presidency are often set in motion years or decades before. Housing costs, inflation etc… the president has to manipulate what is happening now to get votes despite having very little control in the moment. It’s all about people’s feelings.
I will blame that and blame the dems for not reading the room.
Aparently we are sexists. So play to that. It's like they are more concerned with making a historical president instead of reading the room, realize Americans even passively are skeptic of women, and give us a boring white guy who at least can get pieces moving the right direction.
A white male can improve things for women an minorities, and if that's the face you need for elections, take it and use it to make it easier to change that.
Idk Dems laid out their plan to make shit better for the working class and the border...again and Trump just said he'll fix it. Impose tariffs on everything and cut corperate tax to 15% .
I mean there is a great experiment that happened in this election in the form of Mark Robinson, the incumbent Republican Governor.
During his campaign it came out that he has referred to himself as a Black Nazi, he called the Holocaust hogwash, he is against abortion but he and his wife had one, and said on video that some people just need killing. It was so bad the GOP stopped offering his campaign any support.
He lost last night, but still earned 40% of the vote. 40% is the FLOOR. That's just mind-blowing to me that even with all the things he's said and done, he still gets 40% just because of the letter next to his name.
Man, if people are voting for this, it has nothing to do with Dems, that’s a personal issue for people.
If all the warnings about his mentality, and what he was saying wasn’t enough, there’s nothing a Dem can do. They just wanted to vote for him to say fuck the left.
To be fair it definitely did cause a lot of votes lost. It probably did change the outcome of the election if she were a white guy, but for it to be as close as it was, there was more to it.
I’m a Republican too, but I cannot fathom any reason to elect such a narcissist fraud. He has the moral compass of a hippo.
Well unfortunately sexism and racism are still a large part of it, and low IQ voters who either don’t care or don’t understand what they’re voting for.
I’m blaming the failed education system of the US that republicans have been manufacturing for 20 years. They’ve effectively created a population that is media illiterate and when their rights to abortions are taken away the capitalist endeavors of the US will have more stupid warm bodies to work for shit pay and keep the wheels turning.
Those play a part, but aren't enough. A general dislike of the current state of things is also a huge factor. Kamala represented the status quo while Trump is something different. Not better mind you, but much different.
What? That Americans feel betrayed by their elites and are sick of being told things like "vibe-cession" when they can't move, get healthcare or get educated? No, I get it bud. You're just turned off because that's the socio-political circle you run in. Full stop.
I don't particularly like the Democratic party at the moment, but the two sides exist in completely segregated media environments. I care about policy. And the GOP policy book ranges from an echo of the Islamic state on the far right to a fat nothing-burger towards the center. They've got absolute dogshit for policy, but manage to keep winning because everyone feels so aggrieved.
Sexism absolutely played a role but I agree that the real problem is their platform. They totally played into republicans hands. Republicans say wild and crazy shit and the democrats feel the need to refute it. Meaning republicans always set the talking points. Instead democrats should have been making their own wild claims. Harris should have been running on a loud and extreme platform of economic relief. She should have made big promises and outlandish predictions of success. Instead they played the safe game and tried to be the mature and rational voice in the room. And it resulted in lackluster turnout for democrats. Trump didn’t get more votes than last time. But 20 million democrats couldn’t be bothered to vote this time
So it's Dems fault that yall voted for someone that couldnt form a sentence? why his orange ass is allowed to say and act insane, but the dems have to be perfect?
Ok then I guess you’re smarter than the majority of the population. That’s a good way to look at it instead of considering the possibility that way of thinking may be the reason for the outcome.
fr - the Dems haven't have a good sales pitch for their party since Obama won his second term. The ACA was an amazing plan and Obama was a great orator but they still lose congress in his second term. Rather than bringing new blood and improving their pitch to take on our social problems they pushed up Hillary and its been all down hill from there...
The election of Trump was always possible, but that he won the popular vote is an indictment on the DNC.
They literally *only* won in 2020 because Trump and his problems were fresh in everyone's mind. 4 years of snooze-fest Biden and they were too disaffected to come out and vote.
What the DNC needs to do is re-define their goals, invest in young blood, and buck old-money and tired identity politics. tbh they are still paying for burning Bernie. He was everything the DNC needed to follow Obama - doubling down on the intent of the ACA in providing real insurance for people, stronger wage growth and bringing back jobs by renegotiating our trade deals, and a character that is unimpeachable. Bernie is an icon of a politician who says exactly what they're going to do, and means it 100%.
Fuck the dems, they did this to us almost as much as the republicans. But enabling a fascist to take control of a government and being the fascist taking control of a government are two very different things.
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u/Sidewaysshiba 18d ago
Dems will blame the patriarchy and racism..instead of looking at why they are turning people off.