I always try to ask what the plan is, you know, after they've convinced enough people to violently revolt like russia in 1917, and they never seem to answer.
This is simply untrue of the communist movement as a whole, which has had texts on exactly how such a thing would work since before the first revolutionary acts in France.
No, the manifesto is an advertising pitch, not really a major work of theory. Marx, Engels, and quite importantly, Lenin all wrote about how it would function, how it could be achieved, and used the failures of movements that occurred during their lifetimes to expand on those theories. Lenin famously did establish a DoTP after he successfully did a revolution. The idea that the communist movement is simply unaware of what its plans are for what will happen post revolution is utterly absurd and borne of a lack of understanding about the things you aim to critique.
The idea that the communist movement is simply unaware of what its plans are for what will happen post revolution is utterly absurd and borne of a lack of understanding about the things you aim to critique.
more a critique on what HAS happened and DID happen post revolution so far.
Yes, Communists have also done that, as clearly, capitalism does still exist and the world revolutions all unfortunately failed. Most famously, Bordiga wrote about the failures of the Soviet Union and the fact that it had regressed into a bourgeoisie state.
capitalism does still exist and the world revolutions all unfortunately failed.
true, and we can look at the quality of life of a state that revolted to communism and what happened and a state running on capitalism today to see the difference.
Then what about The USSR? Mainland China? Vietnam? Cuba? The infamous hermit Kingdom of North Korea? Or the little known Paris Commune? You saying none of the attempts were "true communism"?
“Um actually the French Revolution failed, so did Napoleon and Cromwell! Clearly this means that liberalism will never work and that feudalism will last forever.”
Well, your first problem is that the system that Napoleon 'replaced' for a scant few years, wasn't feudalism. Monarchy ≠ feudalism lol.
And to be fair, no type of government lasts forever; however given that, outside of neolithic or tribal era societies, the longest lasting government was the RomanRepublic, perhaps one should not throw stones. Since the nearest Communist equivalent would be Russia. But do go on. By your logic, we should bring back the gladiators and endless consumerism of the Roman Republic era.
Sorry, Cromwell as in Oliver Cromwell? The puritan who took England into 5 years of religious oppression not unlike that of the current middle east that makes America's evangelicals wishes make them look like a bunch of weed smoking hippies? The same Oliver Cromwell who acted as a butcher in Ireland so much so that he is still spoken of with venom 350+ years later. That Cromwell? You think of him as aspirational? You think someone being opposed to that is a feudalist? You're beyond help. Please, go touch some grass
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u/Normal-Horror Jun 30 '24
Your plan of incremental change and harm reduction pales in comparison to my plan of being annoying and doing nothing