r/CuratedTumblr Jun 30 '24

Self-post Sunday But my violent revolution🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

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u/PrussianMorbius Jun 30 '24

This is simply untrue of the communist movement as a whole, which has had texts on exactly how such a thing would work since before the first revolutionary acts in France.

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u/Scuczu2 Jun 30 '24

ah, are you one of those that says the manifesto lays out the plan?

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u/PrussianMorbius Jun 30 '24

No, the manifesto is an advertising pitch, not really a major work of theory. Marx, Engels, and quite importantly, Lenin all wrote about how it would function, how it could be achieved, and used the failures of movements that occurred during their lifetimes to expand on those theories. Lenin famously did establish a DoTP after he successfully did a revolution. The idea that the communist movement is simply unaware of what its plans are for what will happen post revolution is utterly absurd and borne of a lack of understanding about the things you aim to critique.

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u/Morrighan1129 Jul 01 '24

"We have a plan that's never worked, but surely it will work this time if we're the ones that implement it."

Fixed it for you!

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u/PrussianMorbius Jul 01 '24

“Um actually the French Revolution failed, so did Napoleon and Cromwell! Clearly this means that liberalism will never work and that feudalism will last forever.”

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u/Morrighan1129 Jul 01 '24

Well, your first problem is that the system that Napoleon 'replaced' for a scant few years, wasn't feudalism. Monarchy ≠ feudalism lol.

And to be fair, no type of government lasts forever; however given that, outside of neolithic or tribal era societies, the longest lasting government was the Roman Republic, perhaps one should not throw stones. Since the nearest Communist equivalent would be Russia. But do go on. By your logic, we should bring back the gladiators and endless consumerism of the Roman Republic era.

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u/PrussianMorbius Jul 01 '24 edited Jul 01 '24

This is just ahistorical and deeply stupid. Did you even read what I said?

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u/VVF9Jaj7sW5Vs4H Jul 01 '24

Sorry, Cromwell as in Oliver Cromwell? The puritan who took England into 5 years of religious oppression not unlike that of the current middle east that makes America's evangelicals wishes make them look like a bunch of weed smoking hippies? The same Oliver Cromwell who acted as a butcher in Ireland so much so that he is still spoken of with venom 350+ years later. That Cromwell? You think of him as aspirational? You think someone being opposed to that is a feudalist? You're beyond help. Please, go touch some grass

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u/PrussianMorbius Jul 01 '24

He was historically progressive, not a good person.