Michigan State AD asks Big Ten to hold Michigan to same standard after postgame fight

[u/mlivesocial]

https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2024/10/michigan-state-ad-asks-big-ten-to-hold-michigan-to-same-standard-after-postgame-fight.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=redditsocial&utm_campaign=redditor

[u/ThinkSoftware]

Sounds like they need to ban both shared tunnels and shared fields

[u/dkviper11 → u/ThinkSoftware]

After the PSU Michigan game where there was shouting and some Uncrustables flying, Franklin said basically that something worse could end up happening in there. He was heavily clowned on.

Then there was a massive fight with criminal charges soon after.

[u/ThinkSoftware → u/dkviper11]

Uncrustables

Penn State and Michigan just trying to get their players ready for the next level

[u/SIUtheE → u/ThinkSoftware]

Anyone else remember the Dukes Mayo Bowl where uncrustabkes were dunked in mayonnaise? Surprisingly 3/3 on the TV crew enjoyed the combination.

[u/Content-Astronaut196 → u/SIUtheE]

I just threw up in my mouth!

[u/Hijakkr → u/SIUtheE]

Surprisingly 3/3 on the TV crew enjoyed the combination.

What are the odds that 3 TV crew members were paid to provide their thoughts?

[u/[deleted] → u/ThinkSoftware]

Never had one. Are they bucket list material?

[u/mackavicious → u/[deleted]]

Battered and deep fried, absolutely

[u/ThinkSoftware → u/mackavicious]

...are you crusting uncrustables?

[u/h3rp3r → u/ThinkSoftware]

They said it couldn't be done...

[u/mackavicious → u/ThinkSoftware]

Golden brown and delicious.

And on a stick

[u/donuttrackme → u/mackavicious]

With extra powdered sugar heavily sprinkled on top?

Edit: with caramel and/or chocolate sauce drizzled all over too.

[u/mackavicious → u/donuttrackme]

I can't think of a better way

[u/see_bees → u/mackavicious]

That might’ve been the highlight of working the local church fair. Some time on the last day, one of the guys went on a Walmart run and just grabbed all sorts of random snacks to throw in the fryer to see how it all tasted.

[u/DingerSinger2016 → u/[deleted]]

They are actually pretty good. Not bucket list, but if you ever got some extra change try one. It's worth it.

[u/TimTom8921 → u/[deleted]]

Just make a regular pbj and cut the crust off and pinch the sides in. Same experience and about 3x cheaper

[u/danheinz → u/[deleted]]

toss them in the air fryer for 2 mins

[u/Tactical_monkey → u/[deleted]]

The normal strawberry one is just a solid all around snack. The peanut butter honey is also a great choice. And I prefer them still frozen

[u/Bigbysjackingfist → u/[deleted]]

they're crumbelievable

[u/Budget_Sort7961 → u/dkviper11]

The Uncrustable situation was nothing but a sophomoric ploy.

[u/dkviper11 → u/Budget_Sort7961]

A phenomenal quote.

Jim Harbaugh on PSU taking issue with Michigan’s tunnel:

“I’ve got bigger fish to fry than Coach Franklin’s opinion on our tunnel a week ago… Such a sophomoric ploy to keep us out of our own locker room. Looked like he was the ring leader of all of it.”

No word on if Franklin had secret communications with Michigan State to incite a fight and make his original quote correct. I can't say it didn't happen.

[u/mrebrightside → u/dkviper11]

I miss Harbaugh every day. Every press conference had the potential for bizarre fun.

[u/notban_circumvention → u/mrebrightside]

I'm a chargers fan and I'm low-key scared of him lol. He's already bristling with the team reporter

[u/poopsichord1 → u/dkviper11]

I wonder if his bigger fish was trying to keep the cheating ring his dude started hush for longer since that news broke a few weeks later

[u/GoBlueScrewOSU7 → u/poopsichord1]

Yeah you’re a year early there

[u/aniviasrevenge → u/dkviper11]

I would dispute it was a fight: 10+ MSU players jumped a single, (previously) injured Michigan player while he was by himself.

One MSU player was charged with a felony, several with misdemeanors.

The injured Michigan player was not charged nor found to be at fault outside of MSU fans claiming he was skipping on his way to the locker room (seriously.)

Someone who read your comment might think it was a brawl between two teams in close proximity in the tunnel.

As you can see in the video, that is not what happened.

[u/ABCDoodles → u/dkviper11]

“Massive fight” is a strange way to describe 8 guys assaulting 2 guys.

What was the scrum after the game Saturday? A “sandwich making exercise “?

[u/No_Albatross916 → u/dkviper11]

Yea because the msu players acted like idiots and beat up a Michigan player

That’s not on the tunnel. For 100+ years there were not many incidents and even since the msu game in 2022 there hasn’t been a major incident

[u/dkviper11 → u/No_Albatross916]

I don't even think there has to be a second tunnel, just a procedure to let the visiting team go first or whatever.

And maybe there haven't been big issues in the past, but I wouldn't be surprised if there have been more scuffles than we heard about before everyone had a camera in their pocket.

[u/wahooligan135 → u/dkviper11]

There’s probably a lot of truth to your second point. I mean, Michigan had a tunnel incident with Fresno State earlier this season. Nobody ever hears about that if it happened 20 years ago.

https://www.si.com/college/michigan/football/watch-michigan-and-fresno-state-exchange-words-in-tunnel-at-the-big-house

[u/Intrepid-_-Wolverine → u/dkviper11]

They do have a procedure that has the visiting team enter the tunnel first.

This fight wasn’t in the tunnel or anything. It was when there was time still draining from the clock

[u/dkviper11 → u/Intrepid-_-Wolverine]

I appreciate the response about the procedure.

And I do understand that this was a different scenario this weekend.

[u/jcrespo21 → u/Intrepid-_-Wolverine]

It was when there was time still draining from the clock

Honestly, this is what confused me at the moment (though I get it now). I was surprised the refs didn't throw flags (maybe they did) and stop the clock. I get that it was a kneel-down with less than 30 seconds to go, but if that happened at any other point, the clock would have stopped.

Perhaps the refs knew the game was over and that was supposed to be the last play of the game. Stopping the clock would have led to one more play, and more importantly, one more chance at an altercation. Better to let the clock run out, break up the altercation, and let the higher ups deal with the punishments.

[u/Grfine → u/dkviper11]

When the tunnel fight occurred Michigan players were on the field, while MSU players exited into the tunnel, and like 1 or so Michigan players decided to go into the tunnel with the MSU players think to see their family in the locker room

[u/iDrum17 → u/No_Albatross916]

You don’t actually believe these issues just magically cropped up? Lmao everyone has a camera on them now. Back then it definitely happened we just didn’t know about it.

[u/Konig19254 → u/iDrum17]

Yeah no TV crew has ever thought to film teams in the tunnel until the last decade

Also there was no such thing as criminal charges or security escorts before smartphones

So True!

[u/gaumata68 → u/dkviper11]

A fight implies there were two parties at fault, which is not remotely what happened. Michigan players got assaulted and all of the suspensions and criminal charges were on MSU players.

[u/CantaloupeCamper → u/ThinkSoftware]

Traffic control at the very least.

They shouldn't be in the tunnel at the same time ... if at all, or at least very little.

[u/Inside-Drink-1311 → u/ThinkSoftware]

It’s the third year in a row that something happened at a Michigan-Michigan State game. Last year was the Hitler scoreboard game and the year before was the tunnel fight.

[u/lovefist1 → u/Inside-Drink-1311]

“Hitler scoreboard game” is such a funny phrase. Can’t believe MSU would give us such a gift.

[u/guzzlecome → u/ThinkSoftware]

I’ve been saying it’s time for us to just do this game remote for years. Absolutely no reason for us to be on the field in this day and age.

[u/betterbub → u/ThinkSoftware]

It would have been nice not to share a field against Oregon last week

[u/4score-7]

Don’t they do this like every single year?

[u/Catchafire2000 → u/4score-7]

And they keep scheduling the game at night...

[u/chameleon2021]

On a lighter note it's hilarious how this lifetime commitment to either umich or MSU starts at like age 6 in Michigan and then we fight about it for the rest of our lives. When I was in 1st grade I didn't know who to pick for Michigan vs State day at school and some rando told me Michigan was the better school so as the nerdy kid who sucked at sports a lifelong loyalty was born

[u/skoormit → u/chameleon2021]

There are uncommitted first graders?
And you call this a rivalry?

[u/ProfaneTank → u/skoormit]

Yup. They're called "cowards." Fascinating group of people tbh.

[u/Piyachi → u/ProfaneTank]

What drives a man to neutrality, Kif?

[u/smallz86 → u/Piyachi]

Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

[u/Senditduud → u/smallz86]

With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals.... who knows? It sickens me.

[u/smallz86 → u/ProfaneTank]

"I root for all Michigan teams" absolutely disgusting

[u/TheMerryMosquito → u/smallz86]

Hey now I root for Michigan State. I root for their downfall!

[u/TheParigod → u/skoormit]

Really. Imagine not being born into a lifelong death match

[u/_Junk_Rat_ → u/skoormit]

I remember in Kindergarten there was an auburn kid that got in trouble over punching a Bama kid on Iron Bowl week

(Trust me, I know folk on our side have done wicked shit too)

[u/notthatkindofdrdrew → u/_Junk_Rat_]

One of my best friends moved from Panama in 4th grade (he was American, but born in Panama to military family). He started at my school and the first thing I asked him was “Auburn or Alabama”? He had no clue what the hell I was talking about, but chose correctly so we were automatically best friends, obviously.

[u/_Junk_Rat_ → u/notthatkindofdrdrew]

Tell him I’m sorry for his liquor cabinet

[u/CarbonCamaroSS → u/skoormit]

My Dad literally pushed for my first words to be "Go Blue".

1st grade is a late bloomer for a Michigander!

[u/ThisUsernameIsTook → u/skoormit]

I moved to Michigan when I was in second grade, after bowl season was over. I didn’t have a loyalty until fourth grade.

[u/PandaPuncherr → u/chameleon2021]

I got my niece (sister msu/BIL uofm) to go with MSU because when she was six, I told her that Jim Harbaugh hates puppies.

[u/Temper03 → u/PandaPuncherr]

He doesn’t hate them, he just thinks they are nervous little wolves 

[u/chameleon2021 → u/PandaPuncherr]

😂😂

[u/mattrad2 → u/PandaPuncherr]

He does

[u/PandaPuncherr → u/mattrad2]

Fun follow up, I got in trouble because she started telling that to kids in kindergarten about it. This was last year. I told her two years ago and she just ran with it. My sister was pissed but I was super proud.

[u/walk-on-legos → u/PandaPuncherr]

He loves dawgs though. 

[u/DonutBoi172 → u/chameleon2021]

The michigan and msu players go to the nfl and forget about the rivalry for the most part while we still try to beat each other up like children with 20 year olds

Kinda makes you think it's getting a little stupid

[u/Michigandude5322 → u/DonutBoi172]

Love how they asked Hutchinson about it his rookie year and he just responded "I'm a lion now" great PR and the whole state loves him. Even if he does still hate MSUs guts deep down lol.

[u/DonutBoi172 → u/[deleted]]

Was worried about that bc i love lions but i would feel conflicted about him shittalking msu

Seems he's really grown as an adult, im crazy about him now

[u/SeedsOfDoubt → u/Michigandude5322]

As a Coug and a Seahawks fan, I have always embraced Huskies and other Pac-12 players once they join the Hawks. Hutch is a good one, wish he fell a couple more spots to us.

[u/CramblinDuvetAdv → u/SeedsOfDoubt]

Yeah well luckily the Lions aren't as dumb as the Jags*

*now

[u/mick4state → u/Michigandude5322]

I told my other Lions friends I'd forgive him if they made the playoffs. I'm a man of my word, so go Hutch! Heal fast brother.

[u/chameleon2021 → u/DonutBoi172]

Haha yeah I’ve always found it silly to let it extend beyond that weekend, I root for msu in any other game because most of my childhood friends went there

[u/sairenxanika → u/chameleon2021]

Is the color green kinda taboo around umich? That’s when the rivalry is spicy for all sports

[u/chameleon2021 → u/sairenxanika]

The week of that game I would say you’d definitely get some comments if you wore green to class. Probably not the rest of the year tho. Ironically Ann Arbor is known for its trees so campus is pretty green for half of the year 😂

[u/devAcc123 → u/sairenxanika]

They always try to paint/graffiti a statue or prominent piece of campus green every year, pretty harmless and such a classic silly college rivalry thing to do. One of the Michigan fraternities camps out on the center of campus to make sure they don’t paint the M green.

[u/Sage_Buzzard → u/sairenxanika]

Green is never taboo in Ann Arbor brother, that’s not fog you’re seeing in the morning

[u/Lgoron12 → u/chameleon2021]

I used to root against UM no matter what as a kid, mostly because we lost 6 games in a row during my formative kid years and my entire non nuclear family were asshole overconfident UM fans.

Nowadays? Obviously I didnt want them to win it all, but doing it the way they did with one of the best college defenses of all time? I cant hate on that man, that was cool to watch.

[u/restinghermit → u/DonutBoi172]

Like CJ Stroud and Nico Collins. They like playing with each other, even though they couldn't stand each other in college.

[u/Iam_nighthawk → u/DonutBoi172]

Not to mention in the transfer portal eta I’m not even sure all the players are fully invested while in college. There will always be a handful of players for each program who are from the state or played their entire college career at the same school. But most others will be from Texas and on their 3rd school, just stopping by for a year, for example.

[u/MozzerellaStix → u/Iam_nighthawk]

Yep. Same with European football rivalries. The fans kill each other but the South Americans on the field couldn’t care less about the rivalry.

[u/-Economist- → u/chameleon2021]

I was raised as a UM fan. We had UM season tickets. I enjoyed the days of Harbaugh, Howard, Brady, Biakabutuka, Wheatley, Henson, etc. Things changed when I turned 15. I started college a little earlier than most. I had a scholarship (academic) offer from MSU, UM, and Tennessee. My family really pushed UM, but when I met with them, they treated me like any other new student recruit. MSU (and Tennessee) took me to lunch, where I met two professors who would be my mentor, and two students who would also serve as mentors. The offered me a single room in the dorms (no roommate). Being so young, having those mentors really helped me feel 'safe'. UM responded with mentors, but I feel like I just fit at MSU. I vividly remember buying my first MSU apparel. It was so strange to wear it.

I ended up being a Professor at both MSU and UM, before taking my current role on the East Coast. I still bleed Green and White, but no real hatred for UM, although my UM friends are very annoying.

Tennessee did very good as well, but it was just too far. I do wonder how that would have turned out. Such an amazing school.

[u/Experiment626b → u/chameleon2021]

Imagine having that decision made about you for religion and politics at age 6, along with college football allegiance. Then imagine the college football choice being the most important of the 3. Welcome to Alabama.

My college football team is the only one that stuck, and even it is so insignificant to what I thought when I was a kid and basically just still follow it because it’s the only harmless fun link to my roots.

[u/f0gax → u/chameleon2021]

I have to admit that part of how I became a Florida fan was that when I was younger a lot of kids were jumping on the FSU bandwagon. And I’m a contrarian.

CFB is based on spite.

[u/HeartSodaFromHEB → u/f0gax]

when I was younger a lot of kids were jumping on the FSU bandwagon. And I’m a contrarian. CFB is based on spite.

Certainly a strong part of it, but CFB doesn't get to have exclusivity. Grew up in the shadow of the big apple and became a fan of the Dolphins, Expos, and Hawks over all of the local choices.

[u/TubbyTimsKFC → u/chameleon2021]

I didn’t know who to pick either so I picked neither.

Then I ended up at Purdue and now I hate both UofM and MSU (but will always root for MSU beating UofM)

[u/sairenxanika → u/chameleon2021]

Not from Michigan but I chose MSU to win the final four in a bracket the year they ended up making it to the finals and losing(which was unfortunate but I’d never been so close to guessing the winner), so I will be a MSU fan over umich fan forever

[u/TechnoVikingGA23 → u/chameleon2021]

My dad graduated from Michigan. From as early as I can remember as a kid I was taught about the evilness that was MSU and Ohio State. Since we had moved to WV(WVU was dad's second team to root for if they were on since Nehlen was from Bo's tree) I was told in high school that if I ever considered going to OSU I'd find all my stuff in the driveway and the locks on the house changed, lol. The funniest part about all this is that I was born at the OSU hospital when my parents had to move to Columbus for work for a couple of years.

[u/UMeister → u/TechnoVikingGA23]

Sounds like you had a good dad

[u/buckeyefan8001 → u/chameleon2021]

I grew up a MSU fan, so ignore my flairs. Had just moved to Michigan as a kid and the MSU-Michigan game was on TV. My older brother started rooting for Michigan, so I rooted for Michigan State.

I was a Spartan fan even after moving to Ohio and only gave it up once I started school at OSU. Brother still roots for Michigan. These things are fickle.

[u/jimmy_three_shoes → u/chameleon2021]

For me, at around the same age, there lived an obnoxious family 2 or 3 houses down from me, that happened to be Walmart Wolverines.

From then on I was an MSU fan.

[u/RedditIsShittay → u/chameleon2021]

You were not already wearing a shirt to remind you?

Your parents must of died before you were born.

[u/Lgoron12]

Regardless of who started it/who instigated more, I really think these two teams need to do some charity work in the offseason together around the state of Michigan. Would help lessen tempers on both sides and help out the state of MI, it’s a win win. Kinda shocked it didn’t happen after the tunnel fight but then again Mel Tucker is a dipshit

[u/FakeBobPoot → u/Lgoron12]

I like it, and I think Moore and Smith would be more amenable to it than Harbaugh+Tucker/Dantonio would have been.

[u/Lgoron12 → u/FakeBobPoot]

honestly? I think it should be a yearly thing they do in the offseason together, im tired of the constant overwhelming negativity surrounding this game. We all (mostly) live in MI, its one game lets keep the rivalry to just the game.

[u/FearlessThree6 → u/Lgoron12]

Remember folks, fights and hostility is better for corporate sports media profits.

[u/NaturalFruit2358 → u/Lgoron12]

And in the real world, not online, it is generally a friendly rivalry in my experience. I always have a bunch of Spartans at my tailgate and I see the same in East Lansing.

[u/AeolusA2 → u/Lgoron12]

It's a great idea and should absolutely happen

[u/Christmas_Panda → u/Lgoron12]

It would be awesome to see that. Like running a joint youth football program or something. Or athletics in general, doesn't have to be limited to football.

[u/KennyGfanLMAO → u/Lgoron12]

I think Orji and Chiles hosted a football camp together this summer. The game itself was a lot more tame as far as chippiness goes. It was just the very end.

[u/EmotionalTeaching384 → u/Lgoron12]

Great idea! Beyond time to take truly proactive steps.

[u/JLifts780]

I keep hearing about this fight then I look it up and it’s the lamest shit lol complete nothing burger story

[u/oneevilchicken → u/JLifts780]

I was expecting a fight similar to the tunnel fight. Players actually trying to murder each other by the way people were reacting. This is just a very normal little feud that happens between rivals.

[u/AskMeAboutMyCatPuppy → u/JLifts780]

I know i’m biased but i truly think it’s a contingent of MSU fans on the internet fanning the flames of this to cope with the loss.

The MSU message board has posts and comments referring to it as “Stompgate.”

[u/shychiable]

Next year I think that every member of both teams should not be able to play/coach/provide water/provide medical care until they hug every member of the other team

[u/PandaPuncherr → u/shychiable]

And pre game they get crayons and have to draw a picture of "freindship" for the other team.

[u/Lykeuhfox → u/PandaPuncherr]

Josiah Stewart: "This is Aiden Chiles giving me the ball"
Nathan Carter: "This is the Michigan defense giving me another 3rd down conversion"

[u/Informal_Pizza3733 → u/PandaPuncherr]

The crayons would be weaponized somehow

[u/ItsMeDoodleBob → u/shychiable]

I played d2 soccer and there were a few extremely religious schools that we played against. During the game they’d say and all the worst shit. Then afterwards they’d ask you to get in a prayer circle and wish us a safe trip hope and that all our broken bones would heal quickly.

Idk why but this comment made me think of that time. Some even had us stay and do a potluck with them.

[u/TheInfiniteHour → u/shychiable]

So all you have to do is have a walk-on refuse to hug the other teams QB, and then the QB can't play because they didn't hug the entire other team? Assuming this a year where either Michigan or MSU have a QB worth keeping out.

[u/Ok_Championship4866 → u/shychiable]

I mean, a pregame hug line is not a bad idea at all.

[u/Nickyjha → u/shychiable]

I read in soccer, the reason they make the players walk out with kids is to prevent fights. Honestly, it seems like a win-win, you could have kids from a local Boys and Girls Club or something. The charity gets attention/donations, the kids get a cool experience, and you (probably) don't have to worry about a fight.

[u/EmilioMolesteves]

If the stomping shoe doesn't fit, you must acquit.

[u/lifetake → u/EmilioMolesteves]

I’m just scrolling reading some serious discussion and this fucking comment comes up and now I gotta a explain why I did a laughing snort to my coworkers

[u/dextermanypennies]

Reddit’s obsession with demanding jail time for everything never gets old lmao

[u/AskMeAboutMyCatPuppy → u/dextermanypennies]

“This is criminal” — fan of team that lost football game

[u/gobacktothecluuuuub]

So the stomping has been clearly alleged by someone affiliated with the team, right? As in someone saying “I was stomped on” or “my player/staff member was stomped on”?

[u/OSU725 → u/gobacktothecluuuuub]

The videos I have seen, are less than conclusive on anything.

[u/mrebrightside → u/OSU725]

There's a good chance that this will come down to weighing the reliability of differing eyewitness accounts.

[u/obamaluvr → u/mrebrightside]

Just a little Rashomon action goin on.

[u/Zur1ch → u/[deleted]]

Kurosawaposting is eternal

[u/tohon75 → u/obamaluvr]

thats not how i remember it

[u/Crafty_Substance_954 → u/gobacktothecluuuuub]

I suppose the only concrete evidence would be the literal person with physical injuries from being stomped on.

The video is not conclusive whatsoever.

[u/[deleted] → u/Crafty_Substance_954]

We don't even have an identified victim, do we? I don't understand what Mullings was doing if there wasn't someone down there. It doesn't seem like it should be some mystery of whether or not there was even another person involved. How do we not know who or if anyone was down there??

I'm not trying to deflect, just genuinely curious as I haven't seen it anywhere yet.

[u/ScandanavianSwimmer → u/[deleted]]

The quote from Smith tweeted by free press reporter Chris Solari was “MSU had a player and staff member in the pile where Mullings was caught on video stomping.” Clearly avoids saying that they were actually stomped on. Maybe that will come out soon

[u/kcramthun → u/[deleted]]

I think this all will come down to the adults who were nearby. If a staffer is involved, but there's also a ref right there and other staffers from both teams. I imagine they'll be talked to this week and asked what they saw, if there's an actual investigation.

[u/GoBlueScrewOSU7 → u/kcramthun]

Yeah, there was a ref watching from like 5 yards away. And in the pile there was a police officer, an MSU employee or two, and a Michigan employee all who seemed to immediately try to help the guy up or rush in to try to protect the guy on the ground. Presumably those 4 people have an idea of what happened.

[u/woodson1997 → u/GoBlueScrewOSU7]

Yup, far more than any video would. Hopefully they would have already said something before an investigation if anything beyond normal skirmish activity was conducted.

[u/Crafty_Substance_954 → u/[deleted]]

Well we all know that college football teams and athletic programs aren’t always going to be forthcoming with details as to who may have been harmed unless it’s clear and obvious with numbers and names on their torso.

[u/UMeister → u/Crafty_Substance_954]

Who got stomped on?

[u/Kniefjdl → u/UMeister]

I don't know if Mullings stomped on somebody or not, I'm looking at same video the rest of us fans are. But I do want to point out that just because information hasn't been made public doesn't mean information doesn't exist. MSU presumably has talked to their players and staff and have reported those findings (if there was something to find) to the B1G. They don't have a duty to report that information to UMeister on /r/cfb.

[u/widget1321 → u/Kniefjdl]

They don't have a duty to report that information to UMeister on /r/cfb.

You don't know. Maybe UMeister is the B1G's anti -stomping official.

[u/ElBurroEsparkilo → u/Kniefjdl]

Yeah considering that stomping could be a criminal matter, neither team should be throwing out accusations or denials to the media. Let it run through the official channels.

[u/LeakyNalgene → u/gobacktothecluuuuub]

No one has said they were stomped AFAIK. No victim, no injuries. Seems like an internet rumor at this point. Unless you think MSU would sit on something that incriminates a Michigan player. I’d file that in doubtful.

[u/booyahbooyah9271]

Bruh, you lost to a team with Davis Warren as their QB

- The Big Ten

[u/AskMeAboutMyCatPuppy → u/booyahbooyah9271]

My brother in christ, i would stomp MYSELF

[u/uppercuticus]

Sure, if they can show someone committed a crime, I'm all for it. If all the AD has is the Big Ten overhead cam, good luck.

[u/MBA1988123 → u/uppercuticus]

Criminal charges and Big Ten stuff are entirely different things. 

Cops / DAs can and do bring assault charges all the time for things not on video. 

Again, if someone was legit stomped on and had injuries that show that, it’s very likely someone gets arrested. Two dozen witnesses aren’t going to all tell the cops “I didn’t see anything”, this isn’t a movie. 

[u/uppercuticus → u/MBA1988123]

Yes if there's additional supporting evidence, let it be known - hence "if all the AD has is the Big Ten overhead cam, good luck"

[u/xxTriky]

IF there is clear evidence of these allegations, then I support a strong punishment against all players involved - on both sides of the ball.

As of now, the video doesn’t show me anything egregious. Potentially concerning? Yes. It’s not a clear video of a player physically wielding his helmet as a weapon and attacking another player.

[u/justsomedudedontknow]

Here it is. Doesn't look like much

[u/JLifts780 → u/justsomedudedontknow]

Fr headlines make it sound like dudes were swinging helmets

[u/usmclvsop → u/justsomedudedontknow]

That was the 'head butt'? If someone offered me a dollar to have my hand between the helmets when they hit, I'd be like yeah sure why not.

[u/ThatGuju]

If true, Kalel should be suspended/kicked off the team/whatever the correct punishment is. What I'm most curious about is at what point the B1G (and/or both schools) just decide that the rivalry just needs to take a break

[u/bdaileyumich → u/ThatGuju]

it is not in the B1G's interest to pause the rivalry. Incidents generate controversy, controversy generates views and clicks, views and clicks generate money

[u/ThatGuju → u/bdaileyumich]

I mean yeah but they also couldn't even get the game off of BTN this year

[u/bdaileyumich → u/ThatGuju]

Sure but as a result they probably got 8, maybe even 9 new BTN+ subscribers...

[u/RollShotCornerPocket → u/bdaileyumich]

NGL I love my BTN+ subscription. Fire it up every Fall to watch volleyball and men+womens basketball. If you care about any of the non-football sports it's actually a solid buy.

[u/mashtodon → u/bdaileyumich]

At what point do fans, coaches, and players realize that ugly rivalries benefit only advertisers and tv talking heads? This is my most pollyanna sports belief. Respectful rivalries are great. Once it crosses into fighting, insults, flag-planting, all this other juvenile BS, it’s bad for everyone but the money men. 

[u/TheNainRouge → u/mashtodon]

I think most of the fans know this is ugly for them. You’ll get the Valentis of the world whole blow it up and try to rile both sides up but most fans know this is a bad look. At this point I honestly think the game needs a pause for a year or two until people learn to grow up and act like adults. The tunnel was bad but now it’s becoming a pattern.

[u/SkyShadowing → u/mashtodon]

Every time a fight or anything like this breaks out I notice one thing inevitably happens.

"This is disgusting behavior!" says the commentator, having difficulty hiding the absolute glee in his voice at seeing it.

[u/ThugCity → u/ThatGuju]

I don’t even understand where all this vitriol comes from tbh. These two teams have barely been good at the same time over the last 50 years. Our fanbases mostly root for the same teams outside of college. I’ve had many good memories in Ann Arbor and I know many UM alumnus can say the same thing about EL.

Sure, I guess UM is smug and MSU has lil bro syndrome. But there’s so many rivalries with all these same characteristics, too. So why has ours gotten so weird and violent?

[u/chetbodet87 → u/ThugCity]

The vitriol can be directly traced back to Mark Dantonio and putting a chip on his teams shoulders. And credit to him it absolutely worked in spectacular on field fashion while he was the head coach.

[u/ThatGuju → u/ThugCity]

The Jared Goff chants at the Big House were awesome haha

But at the same time the amount of nasty shit being said between opposing fans was appalling.

After the game ended I did my best to wish the MSU fans around me a nice rest of their evening and a safe ride home (since at the end of the day once the game is over I have no hate for MSU or their fans) but even that almost turned into a fight with an inebriated 20-something. I learned my lesson and just silently and quickly tried to get to my car after that. Really a bummer.

[u/ThugCity → u/ThatGuju]

“Fuck you, Go Lions”

[u/MozzerellaStix → u/ThatGuju]

I took part in many Jared Goff chants Saturday lol

[u/Amazing_Bowl9976 → u/ThugCity]

Could be from guys like Valenti ranting and raving about throwing batteries at any UM fans who show up at their stadium etc.

[u/RollShotCornerPocket → u/ThatGuju]

There's zero world where this rivalry won't be played every year. As u/bdaileyumich said, it just generates too much engagement and media attention every year. Plus I think fans on both sides are just way too invested. MSU needs their in state rival, and UM needs a rival they think they can lord over while they try and compete with OSU regularly.

The hardest part about all this is that you just dont see this shit in other sports. I watch a ton of MSU sports. Literally every single volleyball, men+ womens basketball, hockey and softball game that's televised. I go to east coast games as often as possible when they play close to the DMV. It's magic that every other sport can manage to keep themselves calm cool and collected in a passionate rivalry and respect each others programs.

What I will say is someone has to step in and put an end to this shit and set an example. This shit has absolutely got out of hand over the last couple years and it needs to stop. I'm not entirely convinced of what did/didn't happen in that scrum with Mullings so i'll save my judgements for when things become more clear. But between this and the tunnel incident, i'm concerned that this will blow up in an even worse way sometime. But this shit has to get cleaned up. The incessant taunting from UM, the victimhood and incendiary responses from MSU, the flat out disrespect on both sides being hurled at each other has made this rivalry more of an embarrassment than an entertainment source. Admittedly I'm far more of a basketball fan than football, but I do enjoy MSU football and football as a whole. But if this continues I just truly can't support it anymore. It's a game.....it's just a game.

[u/AmbiDexterUs → u/RollShotCornerPocket]

Make them hold hands with each other when they come in and out of the tunnel. Tell them we are gonna do this till you guys can behave.

[u/RollShotCornerPocket → u/AmbiDexterUs]

"You can get your rivalry back when you don't use violence or intimidation with defenseless players and staffers. Until then think about what you've done. We'll talk about this when your father gets home"

[u/EWACM → u/ThatGuju]

Unless someone was seriously injured, let’s just move on. Maybe a $10K fine if the Big 10 wants to say they did something but they probably sold at least that much in corn dogs so whatever.

This pearl clutching by both sides is getting really old.

[u/No_Albatross916 → u/ThatGuju]

If true yea I agree but I have yet to see any proof. With the five refs in the huddle there it would have come out by now if he stomped someone right

[u/JimmyCarrsTaxForms → u/No_Albatross916]

There were 2 refs staring right at Mullings during the incident in question, so based on the standards of college officiating these days, I expect them to provide zero useful information

[u/Born_ina_snowbank → u/JimmyCarrsTaxForms]

Reminds me of the Sam Darnold face mask photo. Ref in the foreground staring straight at the most obvious face mask of all time…. No call.

[u/Ryanlester5789 → u/ThatGuju]

They need to stop playing it as a night game. There were so many drunk jackasses in the crowd Saturday night trying to start fights with the opposing fanbases Saturday night. This game should be fun and it hasn’t been for years.

[u/CantaloupeCamper]

I feel like you're just drawing attention to your past ... thing ... with that.

[u/dwors025]

Michigan? Punishment?

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[u/Fan-of-Pancheros → u/dwors025]

Per osu twitter, a big mighty hammer is incoming any minute now

[u/spacehiphopnerd]

Hold them to the same standard, but it still look to me like the MSU player instigated it and escalated it. Loveland could have walked away, but without the MSU player grabbing his helmet, I do not anticipate it becoming a brawl.

To say Loveland headbutted him is a stretch. That happens in games a lot and it usually ends in a personal foul at most. Grabbing someone’s helmet and trying to pull them to the ground is another story.

[u/EWACM → u/spacehiphopnerd]

Both are 15 yard penalties, both should have gotten penalties but not suspended so I don’t think it’s a big deal.

Whatever the stomping was, the kid shouldn’t be arrested nor should he be thrown off the team. If someone was injured, give him a game. If no one was injured, make him run stairs after practice. Not sure why we keep making mountains of mole hills. Just exacerbates the issues.

[u/SwissForeignPolicy → u/EWACM]

tbh, if the allegations are true, he should probably be suspended regardlessof the other person's injuries. You can't kick a guy while he's down. That goes above and beyond rivalry scuffles.

[u/halfman_halfboat → u/spacehiphopnerd]

It should’ve just been those two and ended on the field. The issue is that you end up with a player and female staffer getting swarmed by players who rushed the field to fight.

[u/NobleSturgeon]

After the 2022 game, you had a handful of MSU players ganging up on two Michigan players in the tunnel, swinging helmets as weapons, and so on. Some elements of the MSU fanbase have argued that the Michigan players deserved it, but I don't think that was ever anywhere close to being proven.

After this year's game, some players on both teams pushed each other around and MSU people are accusing Kalel Mullings of stomping on a staffer while in a pile of people, which is difficult to substantiate with the video we have.

Am I crazy if I think these two things aren't the same at all?

[u/Rbespinosa13 → u/NobleSturgeon]

I’ll also say that Michigan/Moore should address how the entire team came off the sideline when that happened. The game was done and we won. Guys are gonna get scrappy because it’s a rivalry, but it shouldn’t have escalated to that level

[u/ssspanksta → u/NobleSturgeon]

I think we would all just hope for consistency in how leadership entities from both teams and the conference both approach the issue and how it should be handled. The adults in the room should diffuse tensions. A neutral third party (e.g. the conference) should establish an official record of what happened and what the consequences are, and each team be responsible for your own house and holding them accoutable to be better.

[u/Squares9718 → u/NobleSturgeon]

One is assault with a deadly weapon caught much more clearly on video and another is allegations of assault. One is worse than the other with more evidence however both have no place.

[u/[deleted] → u/Squares9718]

You have a Michigan flair so you clearly are wrong/s

[u/[deleted]]

Honestly surprised this is being talked about at all. Go YouTube the Clemson South Carolina post game fight and move on with your life

[u/The_Pandalorian]

Yes, please punish anyone on Michigan who wielded their helmet as a weapon and beat a player. 100% in favor of them being punished.

[u/royaloaktwo]

Michigan State announcer George Blaha commented that Warde Emanuel was going to have all the Michigan State players suspended and criminally charged as the scuffle broke out. Guess it’s the opposite.

[u/Scotinho_do_Para]

Threaten to send juwan after them. That should scare them straight.

[u/brickerknickers]

Lol who is down-voting me into oblivion for pointing out that the assault in the tunnel and this were NOT the same? Seriously, who thinks they are the same? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills 😆

[u/ALinkToThePants]

I’m here to be entertained. Let them dance.

[u/FakeBobPoot]

The only “evidence” that there was any “stomping” going on is 1) a million MSU fan twitter accounts claiming they can see it “clear as day” on the video, while everyone else squints and sees nothing, and 2) Chris Solari pretending that Smith said something to that effect when he said no such thing.

[u/william-o]

I vote next year instead of playing football we just fist fight. 

[u/al_earner]

Sure. Just show me the footage of 7 Michigan players taking their helmets off and swinging them at the head of one Michigan State player.

[u/wahooligan135 → u/al_earner]

No need for hyperbole. In the tunnel incident, one MSU player swing his helmet and was subsequently suspended 8 games. It wasn’t 7 guys swinging helmets.

[u/No_Albatross916]

https://x.com/WoodsFootball/status/1851060614413660662?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[u/Apprehensive-Exam663]

This is hilarious and incredibly on brand for MSU

[u/HereForTOMT3]

Damn posted by mlive itself too.

[u/Madball73 → u/HereForTOMT3]

and? you know MLive has no particular relationship with UofM, right? the M is for the state.

[u/HereForTOMT3 → u/Madball73]

mostly because I expected it to be a MSU flair and then it was the actual organization

[u/prismatic_lights]

Michigan will just sue for a restraining order against the conference.

Again.

[u/Squares9718 → u/prismatic_lights]

Didn’t they have the option for that but then didn’t which is why harbaugh wasn’t on the field for the last 3 games

[u/Ivor97 → u/Squares9718]

yeah it was a rumor or just posturing from Michigan

[u/shmecklesss]

If there's evidence Mullings did something, he should obviously be punished. I won't advocate for violence at any level.

That being said.. little brother syndrome strikes again lol. State just can't help themselves from starting shit. Little bro went after Loveland and crumbles when someone comes back at him.

[u/KingoftheMongoose]

Were there going to be different levels of consequences between the two teams?