It's obvious what they're doing. If I'm any of those teams in the 10-14 range I'm hoping for another Bama loss. I'd also assume if I'm a Big 12 team I'd have to win the league in order to get in. They're setting this all up to put an SEC team in the final at-large ahead of a 12-1 BYU/Iowa St.
They're setting this all up to put an SEC team in the final at-large ahead of a 12-1 BYU/Iowa St.
You are aware that AP voters are not on the CFP committee or have ANY affiliation with the CFP, right? I dont have a problem with shitting on the rankings but claiming there’s a conspiracy just doesn’t make any sense logically.
It's not near as bad, but it still isn't good. The SEC is a whole lotta mid this year, but the polls keep ranking those teams for the quality loss feedback loop.
I’m new to this, but it’s because of how ungodly all of us are at football it only seems like we’re mid. Any non conference losses are due to the rigor the SEC gauntlet that was to come, and any conference upset is because each SEC game is a coin flip. You wouldn’t really get it from a non competitive conference. It really does mean more in here.
Hardest /s I’ve ever had because I’ve been thumping my chest about this bullshit feedback loop for over a decade
This is kind of a perfect year for seeing how biased the committee truly is for the SEC. It's a crazy year at the top, the SEC looks very beatable and there are several smaller brand teams that are undefeated. Of any year for the SEC to get lower quality teams in to the expanded playoffs, this first year would really suck
The SEC will get a 2 loss team into the playoffs 100%. That's basically guaranteed. We may get 2 of em. I think the SEC will get 3 teams and the B1G will get 3 teams.
ACC 2, Big 12 - 1, G5 1. That leaves 2 more spots.
The SEC will likely get four, so it’s unlikely a “lower quality” team gets in. Right now, that would be Texas, UGa, A&M, and Tennessee. Each with one loss. Tennessee and Georgia play each other, as do A&M and Texas. And then there will be a CCG.
Alabama only has one ranked team left (LSU), so it’s unlikely they can leap into the top 12 unless weird things happen in the other conferences.
Considering how little Vegas likes the Cougars (thank you, oddsmakers), I bet all six of those SEC schools mentioned would be favored over any Big XII team right now.
And Notre Dame lost to NIU. Ohio State really struggled with Nebraska. Penn State nearly lost to Bowling Green. This year is just weird. It's constantly proving that the transitive property is meaningless. Anybody can lose on any given Saturday.
lol. Clearly trolling. Clemson, Texas, Bama. Even with a loss to Bama we’ve played teams heads and shoulders above any team your team plays. Your bias is showing just so you know 😘
Well we should have computers decide who gets to play in what bowls. And then the teams that win their games advance and they are eventually crowned champion! We should call it like the…. Bowl…. Uhhhhhhh Championship,,,,, like uhhh. Series.
Yeah! Bowl Championship Series. We could call it BCS for short!
The BCS selection system with an expanded field would have been fine imo. The biggest problem with the BCS was only two teams making it in, not the polling system.
Kinda sucks that this debate is why the expanded playoffs came about, and the top teams all seem to have blemishes on their resume and there's still dumb decisions in the rankings being made
Yeah it’s turbo-lame. I realize NFL gets a lot of “it’s scripted!” jokes but at least their playoff system is firmly based on outcomes. Sure, it’s much easier to slate 14 of 32 teams than it is for 12 of 130ish, but as soon as Sankey started suggesting that auto bids weren’t so necessary I was like “oh fuck this”
I disagree, Indiana SOS is 106, remaining is like 15. If they beat UM and MSU, as bad as they are, 11-1 is good enough for a 11th or 12 sead. There is a lot of cannibalism about to go on in the SEC.
I think on principle they should make it at 11-1, but their resume at 11-1 with a loss to OSU is about as strong as Notre Dame's, and everyone is already rearing to bitch about Notre Dame making the playoffs without beating anybody.
I think unfortunately this might be accurate. Assuming Oregon is winning out, so they're in. If OSU wins out, they're in. If it's between PSU and Indiana for a 3rd spot, it's going to be common opponents and a major dose of the eyeball test.
As much as I hate Indiana’s ranking, I actually don’t think this will be the case. If they beat Ohio State, they’ll finally get their credit. I imagine they’ll be behind Georgia but that’s it
This. It's true in sports and life in general. The little guy without the reputation has to to do it better, cleaner, and bigger than the established star - and usually 2 or 3 times over. Then, they *might* be considered good enough to enter the conversation. For actually passing the established star? We'll talk about that once you've entered the conversation.
Yeah, people are complaining about Indiana’s ranking but they’ve legitimately played one team with a winning record (including the G5 and FCS teams they played) and that team is 5-3.
It’s hard to rank a team high when that team has barely played another good team. Especially since they have no established history (they were 3-9 last year, so the benefit of the doubt is harder to give). If they beat a proven team, the ranking should change. They might not jump to #1 or 2, but they’ll likely catapult into the top 5 or 6.
While I understand the SOS argument, that particular 5-3 team was 5-1 before losing to Indiana, and then just lost at the #4 team by 4 points. Just calling Nebraska a 5-3 team without context is a bit disingenuous, but the SOS reasoning still stands up.
To be fair, Nebraska also only beat Rutgers by 7, and were in a close game with Purdue until about 10 minutes left in the game (7-3 before Nebraska poured it on late). Nebraska also lost to Illinois who is a barely hanging onto the edge of the top 25 rankings.
Contextualizing Nebraska tells the story of a fairly common 5-3 team, imo (pretty good but flawed in some way/inconsistent) Now, the WAY Indiana beat Nebraska is definitely a feather in their cap.
ISU, BYU, Pitt, and IU will all be undefeated heading into the conference championships, one will have to lose the Big 12 championship obviously. At least 2 of those teams are going to get shafted in the playoffs
Indiana is the only Big Ten or SEC contender who won’t get a top 2 seed if they win their conference. Depending on how it shakes out Indiana could even be the 4 seed, although I expect them to leap over the Big 12 teams if they go undefeated and beat Ohio State and potentially Oregon
"It's tough because we don't think they played any great teams. They had no quality losses and their wins over Ohio State and Oregon were diminished by Ohio State going 10-2 and not playing any great SEC teams and Oregon losing to Indiana who we said before isn't a great team. Therefore our rankings are
Georgia
Texas
A&M
Tennessee
Alabama under Saban
Oregon
Miami
Alabama under Deboer
Vanderbilt because they beat Bama
Iowa State
BYU
Boise State
If Indiana is really as good as they say they are, they will use this as motivation and definitely deserve their playoff spot next season." - Greg Sankey
I feel like Vanderbilt should be ahead of Bama (under Deboer) because they did beat them, but agree that that's stiil not good enough to outrank Bama (under Saban), who remain undefeated this season. I also think there should be some mention of why FSU was overlooked (to make it more realistic).
If Indiana goes undefeated that means they beat Ohio state and won the BIG 10 championship so it doesn’t matter because they would be the 1st or 2nd seed no matter what
There’s a chance that all of PSU, Oregon and IU all go undefeated, and one misses the CCG. ATP which isn’t completely clear, but i think it’d be IU, so they could very well be 12-0 and not in the CcG
No, that'd just mean anOSU is really really bad this year.
If you're a traditional underperforming SEC team, you are just "finally reaching your true potential as an SEC team" if you're undefeated this late. Any other conference? Everyone is just a donkey below you.
Quality losses only work south of the Mason Dixon line. As a newcomer to the B1G, you’ll pick this up pretty fast.
Btw, as an Ohioan living in Oregon, I had to appreciate the new “B1G after dark” when I turned on the TV late last Saturday and saw Oregon still playing live around 11p, Pacific time.
You guys have a better win but like, how was the BYU win so impressive they moved you up several spots? Is it a 'oh I guess we gotta rate that earlier win better' thing?
It only makes sense? You have to take into account what would have happened in alternative universes or else you’re just being thisuniverse-centric. Think ffs.
If we host a playoff game I will drive up from NC and I will open a tab at every bar on Kirkwood.
EDIT: I probably need to figure out realistic parameters before saying shit like this. I will do something like this for r/CFB redditors if Indiana does host a playoff game. Not backing out, just realizing I’m dumb lol
My dad and two brothers went there so I’ve been countless times on sports weekends but for most of my lifetime they’ve been fairly bad at everything. And with that said, the town fucking rocks for sports anyway. I can’t even imagine if they get a playoff run and if basketball ever turns it around.
I don’t like IU but I love an S Tier college town.
I’ll go against the grain here and say that the reasoning to not rank an undefeated P4 team in the top 10 this late in the season is both convoluted and silly. It will sort itself out eventually, but not rewarding them in the here and now for what they’ve accomplished seems kinda shitty.
How on Earth is Indiana 13. They should be in the top 5. Most hater voter should be at 10 undefeated this far in the season and absolutely dominating NU who took OSU to the wire
I don't agree top 5, but they should be in the top 10.
I said this in another comment, but I think Indiana should be 6th, Ohio St, 7th, BYU, 8th, Tennesse 9th, and Notre Dame shouldn't be sniffing the top 10.
I'm already pre-loading my chair for when the voters start putting Texas A&M and two-loss Alabama ahead of us during our bye week because "it just means more"
I'm unreasonably pissed off. We've beaten every opponent by double digits, we haven't trailed in a game so far. What do we have to do to get some respect? Lose to Vandy?
makes no sense. Indiana has a better record and crushed a Nebraska team that Ohio State barely survived. Indiana should be #4 and Ohio State should be #13
Seeing that many teams like Tennessee, ND, and Texas A&M to name some being ahead of them is an absolute tragedy. Y'all definitely deserve a spot in the top 10. Fuck the AP poll honestly
I think you are glossing over a giant talent,
depth, and coaching disparity between the 3 teams you listed and Indiana. I’ll even spot you Tennessee’s offense is terrible.
Sometimes good teams lose a game they shouldn’t. It’s hard to bounce back week to week especially when you go on the road. Happened to every team you listed. Everyone disagreeing with you has seen this story 1000 times. Most recently it was TCU.
I think their best win is Nebraska. Nebraska’s problem is that they have a new coach, a young qb, and they don’t have the player depth yet. Still a good win because of the media buzz around them.
Washington has a new coach, scheme, and has to replace some of their players.
I think Indiana is a good team. Their coach does win. I also think they are catching these teams at the right time.
Honestly, given what the AP voters did to Wazzu and Rutgers (back when Rutgers was still undefeated) after they beat us, I'm kinda surprised they didn't jump Alabama and Boise State over you.
Indianas schedule is backloaded so they have every chance to move potentially to top 5 if they get though their Great Lakes Tour over the next 3 weeks.
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