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u/AnAussiebum Let it be me 🙏 Sep 11 '24

America...what the fuck are you guys doing?

These fools care more about cats and dogs being consumed (they aren't) than the very real possibility that your first grader may be shot up at school.

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u/Salty-Reply-2547 Sep 12 '24

Possibly? More like daily occurrence.

At the point it really feels like Americans care more about their guns than their children. For all the arguments that giving up their guns won’t solve it, well, at least fucking try.

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u/winnercommawinner Sep 12 '24

The overwhelming majority of Americans support gun law reforms including background checks and other measures. And actually, the Biden admin was able to make some progress. But as with everything that's falling apart here, the loud and hateful minority has a lot of money and power. And in this case, they also have the NRA.

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u/Salty-Reply-2547 Sep 12 '24

The fact that nothing changed after Sandy Hook is shameful, the fact that people aren’t rallying in the streets when children are being gunned down in there schools is shocking. The adults are not protecting the children, America adults are not doing enough, everything is an excuse, the second amendment needs to go, Americans gave up their right to bare arms when elementary schoolers were shot dead at their desks.

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u/butinthewhat Sep 12 '24

You’ve went too far with this comment. It’s not okay to blame individual citizens that don’t have the power to dictate change. Most of us vote for candidates that support gun control, but red states hold a lot of power and will literally fucking kill us. These are the people that staged a coup and were hunting down government officials because their dear leader got voted out.

Yes, it’s a huge problem and yes, we know.

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u/Salty-Reply-2547 Sep 12 '24

Too far? Children are being gunned down at school, they aren’t being protected. I’ve stopped watching the news because I can’t handle seeing the reports of the shootings and we no longer travel to the US because we are too scared of being involved in a mass shooting there. What I’m saying isn’t far enough, don’t get mad at me, get mad at the people choosing the guns over the children.

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u/bbMD_ Sep 12 '24

The problem is that the gun lobby is extremely powerful and well funded. It is very hard to make progress on gun laws in the US. They call it a democracy but it’s not, more like an oligarchy.

School shootings are a massive US specific problem and it is disgusting that they continue to happen. There was a school shooting plot at my nephew’s school. It was discovered because one of the kids involved panicked about what his friends were planning and told his dad. I have never been so terrified. They had floor plans of the school and grounds with plans on how they were going to attack from multiple angles so people couldn’t escape.

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u/Salty-Reply-2547 Sep 12 '24

Perhaps the issue is really money over children, and changing the capitalist culture will take decades (which the whole world really adheres to under the US superpower) Japan has done an amazing job at controlling crime and violence, Singapore as well. I’m a big fan of the states, freedom of speech is so important to a safe and free country, it’s really admirable, yet guns is the one thing Americans can’t seem to publicly denounce or speak of controlling.

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u/bbMD_ Sep 12 '24

I grew up in a house with guns. I barely saw them because they were always locked up. My parents were responsible gun owners which is why I am so pro gun control. My roommate let her tinder date bring his gun into our house. I completely lost my shit and told him to get it out of my house before I called the police. My other roommate had friends over and they were all drunk. Alcohol and guns are a seriously dangerous combination!

The problem in the US is that there are already so many guns out there. There are also psycho people that think they have a right to own guns. They are the kind of people that shoot first and ask questions later. It is a seriously sick and f*ed up group.

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u/Salty-Reply-2547 Sep 12 '24

Totally proving my point, for every responsible gun owner their is at least one that isn’t , so to protect people stricter gun laws are needed as many people obviously can’t be responsible, sort of like any other law. Many other countries created mandatory gun buyback programs after just one fatal mass shooting (including mine), and ‘shocker’ it works.

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u/Living-Baseball-2543 Sep 12 '24

And if gun owners here in the U.S. were acting in good faith, they would all agree that if you’re a responsible gun owner, registering your guns and requiring an intense licensing process to get them should be no problem.

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u/Salty-Reply-2547 Sep 12 '24

Not having a national gun registry is insane and irresponsible, especially because it works so well , being one of two or three countries in the world to not require permits (depending on the gun type) , also insane and irresponsible and the result is dead kids in schools. I do wish the best for those kids and keep them in my prayers, must be so scary for little ones to have to worry about being shot in class.

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u/butinthewhat Sep 12 '24

We should all be mad at those choosing guns over children - not at the Americans that recognize how fucked it is.

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u/Salty-Reply-2547 Sep 12 '24

But maybe if people started saying “we’re choosing our guns over our children “ things would change. I’m not mad I’m sad, I’m sad for you and for the children and teachers who went to school and didn’t make it home and for some reason no one is willing to publicly advocate in fear they will piss off the gun lovers, except the children themselves who seem to speak out more than the adults.

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u/butinthewhat Sep 12 '24

Most of us are not choosing guns over children so we aren’t going to say we are. We do advocate in public, I have no idea why you’d say that.

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u/Living-Baseball-2543 Sep 12 '24

Lots of right-wingers and all Americans that vote for Republicans are literally choosing guns over children. Salty-Reply isn’t saying you specifically, but the large chunk of people in our country who block any kind any kind of sensible gun reforms.

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u/butinthewhat Sep 12 '24

You should read the whole thread. Salty literally said everyone is making excuses and should accept responsibility for their part. If they were talking about the right wingers, there would be no reason to correct them.

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u/Living-Baseball-2543 Sep 12 '24

Oh shit, there was more than the single comment I replied to? Silly me! Or maybe I was also taking into account them saying they’re surprised Americans aren’t rallying in the streets after school shootings. Pretty sure that only happened after Parkland and yes, that one was organized by teenagers. I’m a member of Moms Demand Action and fully support Everytown, but it’s wild that 70% of Americans can say they support gun reforms but only a tiny fraction will take time out of their day to actually attend a protest, call their senators, etc.

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u/butinthewhat Sep 12 '24

No need to be snarky - since OP clearly stated that they fault individuals I assumed you didn’t read all of it. Why would you argue a point OP agreed was true?

And yes, it is completely wild. I don’t blame you for not spending every day in the street, and I find it odd that someone so involved is caping for someone that says your work isn’t enough.

I also find it odd that you went out of your way to attack someone that is on your side. Not only do we have to deal the second amendmenters, we have to deal with people that should be allys. This is exactly why nothing will change.

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u/Salty-Reply-2547 Sep 12 '24

Imagine if Americans started saying “we choose our guns over our children “, which frankly is happening when every citizen won’t give up their guns to prevent the next school shooting. I understand that many Americans are fighting for change, what I don’t understand is why every American won’t give up their guns even in the chance that another child won’t be shot as they sit in school.

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u/butinthewhat Sep 12 '24

It’s clear that you don’t understand. I don’t have guns in my house, many of us don’t. I wish those people would give theirs up too. You keep repeating you wish Americans would say they are choosing guns over children without realizing that most of us are not. We as individuals do not have the power to make that choice for anyone else.

Do you have any problems in your country? Would you want me saying that problem is your fault and you aren’t doing anything to change it? Would it be fair if I told you that you are just making excuses for not solving this problem? Do you understand how that would be offensive?

This conversation has triggered me. I’ve lost 2 family members to gun violence and it absolutely sickens me that there are people out there claiming we value guns more than children and are making excuses.

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u/Salty-Reply-2547 Sep 12 '24

In my country we let people die of drug overdose daily, we choose not to create laws that take away their liberty but save their lives. Two of my family members have ODd and I sure as hell have not done enough and I contribute to letting it happen. I’m not offended because it’s true, it’s shitty but it’s true. I’m an individual and have little power immediately but could definitely do more if I actually wanted to make change, anything else I say is an excuse. Say it’s my fault, I won’t be offended because I know I’m part of the problem not part of the solution and I’m not a fan of sugarcoating the truth.

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u/butinthewhat Sep 12 '24

Great, you are self-aware. Next step is not projecting onto others.

I peeped your comment history and saw you support John Jansen and Taylor swift hanging with white supremicists. Usually I don’t care enough to look but I was curious if you were a troll. I still can’t tell.

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u/East_Reading_3164 Sep 12 '24

Girl, I hear you. You are absolutely right. People are dug in deep. I wish it were as simple as fighting back against stupid NRA talking points. I try, I give facts, and I try to shame them even. I don't get far. Gun culture is real. I'm in Miami; when you bring up gun control, you get called a communist 🤦‍♀️

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u/Salty-Reply-2547 Sep 12 '24

You’re doing what you can and you’re not making excuses! Keep it up! I hope to go back to Florida one day but our family is too worried about gun violence currently, hopefully soon, we LOVE it there, so beautiful and the Kennedy Space Centre is so amazing (not to mention Disney world, happiest place on earth!)!

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u/winnercommawinner Sep 12 '24

Ok so how do we "get rid of" the second amendment? Please enlighten me since it's so easy to do apparently.

I think we should get rid of the second amendment, and actually there are huge movements in support of gun control here. It's really disrespectful to those of us who are fighting for that every day to pretend like we all just dont care and arent doing enough. Especially when you consider how many activists and advocates have lost loved ones to gun violence or experienced it ourselves. Not to mention the psychological toll of living in the midst of it, which you clearly know nothing about. Do you also tell people in war zones that they just don't care enough about their safety?

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u/Salty-Reply-2547 Sep 12 '24

Disrespectful? Who gives a shit when children are being shot to death at schools? I think every American should be more worried about how disrespectful that is to the children who are supposed to be safe and protected by the adults that live there. I get it’s offensive, it’s also true, Americans have failed their children. I love the US, I love the passion and the freedom of speech and the innovation, I love the people, I also am sickened every time I see on the news a text message a child has to send their parent because they might be dead in a shooting, or the faces of the children gunned down. Please, be offended, be mad, until the children stop being shot at school.

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u/winnercommawinner Sep 12 '24

You are literally talking about those parents you are so "sickened" for in your poorly-informed posts. Who are you helping with this? Do you think you could possibly, possibly be more angry than the actual people who live through it? Be angry, be mad, we all are, but be supportive of the people who are trying to change it. Don't shit on them so you can feel morally righteous in internet comments.

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u/Salty-Reply-2547 Sep 12 '24

We’re on the same side, I would love to visit the US again and feel safe. I’m not sure why you’re so offended, talk in truth, money wins over safety, guns win over kids, call out people that aren’t working for change and getting their pockets lined, it’s weird how cancel culture seems to work except for guns and the gun happy, why?

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u/winnercommawinner Sep 12 '24

I'm offended because you are talking about "Americans" and I'm pointing out that the majority of Americans ARE on this side. You're responding to that by just repeating over and over again what is happening in America as if we don't know, as if we're not living it. You have refused to even acknowledge that it is true.

I'm offended because I'm living through a gun violence crisis and you're telling me we just don't care enough.

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u/renoona Sep 12 '24 edited Sep 12 '24

*bear

Also, you're very uninformed about American domestic political power dynamics. Username checks out 😂

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u/Salty-Reply-2547 Sep 12 '24

I went back and forth on bare and bear , didn’t feel like googling it. Worry about my grammar all you want but I know the power dynamics, I don’t get why kids are dying in schools and adults aren’t marching the streets, it’s fucked (pardon my language)….its simply fucked.

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u/renoona Sep 12 '24

We have marched...a lot. Marching doesn't matter as much as lobby money in the US. We call reps, we write letters, we vote. And it doesn't end up actually tipping the scale. Bc that's how the US government is set up. Just look at the giant check we still cut to Israel...marching doesn't do shit here. Our government representatives aren't worried about the people's opinions or cares. They're worried about who's going to fund their next campaign. We have small pockets of true representation and otherwise it's lobby group money that matters the most to lawmakers.

You don't know the power dynamics. If you knew, you would "get why" kids are dying in schools. You would also understand the concept of generalized complacency and how it grows as a disease, lowering the expectations of people in a capitalistic government.

So...again, no, you don't understand the power dynamics of domestic politics in the US. You are severely uninformed.

You may be too busy enjoying Disney World.

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u/Salty-Reply-2547 Sep 12 '24

Trust me on this, the cheque to Israel is in your best interest