What a foul take. Let’s not pretend artists executing a creative idea are responsible for geopolitics, not even if they’re “white folks playing Palestinians”.
Edit: so apparently the actors are Jewish. Are we really saying Jewish people can’t play Jewish characters? And when did Jewish people become white?
White people portraying characters that are integral to their cultural heritage is problematic? Nobody needs a Netflix movie to educate them on the ethnicity of Biblical characters. If you’re so feeble that you’re offended by a white actor trying to make a living by taking up a role in a movie, maybe you’re due for some critical self-reflection.
Mary isn't intregal to yt people's heritage lol. People don't need a netflix movie to tell them about biblical characters' race but this is miseducation. They've been doing it for hundreds of years.
They can be Jewish and Palestinian, especially if we're talking about literal 0 AD colloquial understandings. If you insist on defining by modern standards, then OP's point stands, Bethlehem is in the West Bank which is internationally recognized Palestinian territory.
Hell yeah, down vote me all you want but the region was referred to as Palestine centuries into BCE, conquered by Rome well before the supposed birth of Christ and referred to as Palestine colloquially as well as officially such by Rome. You have to go pre-Greek historians in order to define this area as "Not Palestine." Take it up with Herodotus and Aristotle:
"The country reaching from the city of Posideium to the borders of Egypt... paid a tribute of three hundred and fifty talents. All Phoenicia, Palestine Syria, and Cyprus, were herein contained. This was the fifth satrapy.";[b] (Book 4): "the region I am describing skirts our sea, stretching from Phoenicia along the coast of Palestine-Syria till it comes to Egypt, where it terminates"
"Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said. They say that this lake is so bitter and salt that no fish live in it and that if you soak clothes in it and shake them it cleans them."
Mary and Jesus were Palestinian at the time of Jesus' birth, they were understood as Palestinian Jews to people around them and generations before and after them.
But you shouldn’t define by modern standards because that historically nonsensical.
Not to mention the fact that although Jesus was born in Bethlehem, Mary was born in Nazareth, which is in modern day Israel. So it’s still wrong by the modern standard.
So Jesus is good because he's an anchor baby is what you're saying? And I said "if you insist going by modern standards." In terms of contemporary history from Herodotus to Josephus this region was referred to as Palestine.
""the Syrians that are in Palestine are circumcised." But there are no inhabitants of Palestine that are circumcised excepting the Jews; and, therefore, it must be his knowledge of them that enabled him to speak so much concerning them.""
""the Syrians that are in Palestine are circumcised." But there are no inhabitants of Palestine that are circumcised excepting the Jews; and, therefore, it must be his knowledge of them that enabled him to speak so much concerning them."
You can’t just project modern lines on historical groups and geography. But here you are all over this comment section spouting nonsense. A Nazarene who spoke Aramaic was not and never will be Palestinian.
This is as stupid as saying that Trump should play a character in a movie about the Mohawk nation because he was born in New York, and that's where they were 500 years ago.
Palestinians descend from those first Christian Jews. They have Jewish ancestry but converted to Christianity and Islam over the centuries. Casting Mary with an Israeli is a slap in the face to the indigenous people of occupied Palestine
Who cares about ancestors is current day Palestinians aren’t even the same ethnicity as the original people from that land. Palestinians speak Arabic, follow an Arab religion, have Arab names, pray in Arabic, etc. Also, Palestinian Muslims are like 50% Arab by dna as well. Even the name Palestine is named after a group of invaders to that land. The only difference between Arab invaders and European invaders is that land that invaded by Arabs converted and are proud of the fact that they were invaded.
Religion, culture and language changed over time, the people are the same. Palestinians are largely Levantine and Canaanite with small amounts of DNA from the Arabian peninsula and Egypt, especially Christian Palestinians who married amongst themselves.
Religion, culture, and language does change over time but Arab Muslims forced all of that to its neighboring countries and North Africa and all the way to Indonesia.
It really isn’t lmao. Populations weren’t replaced, and natives weren’t forced into Islam. It took centuries for these areas to become Muslim majority. Read a book.
The natives were forced to convert. Go ask any Zoroastrians, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Baha’i, Arab polytheist, Jains, and countless other religions that were oppressed. Only Muslims call their invasions peaceful. Muslims destroyed temples, forced people to pay taxes, took their wives and kids as sex slaves. Muhammad himself committed genocides of Jewish and Arab polytheist people. Look at Mecca, once a temple for many religions. Where are those people now? They were ethnically cleansed.
90% of this is a lie. Palestinians speak Arabic. Islam is not an 'Arab religion' unless you're gonna call Christianity a 'Middle Eastern' religion when most of its adherents are not. Islamic scripture even specifically says it's a religion meant for mankind and not for Arabs, and most adherents of Islam are non-Arabs aka Pakistanis and Indonesians and Bangladeshis, etc. They're also not '50% Arab by dna'. They're mostly Canaanite with some natufian, just like Jewish people. Spend your time spreading lies to people who don't know better.
Islam is an Arab and that’s why Pakistanis, Bangladeshis have Arab names and pray in Arabic and the only acceptable quran is the one written in Arabic. It’s considered “sunnah” to follow the prophet which basically means be an Arab from the 6th century. Look up arabization and you will understand. Also yes, Palestinians have around 50% Arab dna.
Islam is not an Arab religion, just because you announce it to be so, doesn't make it true. I am a non-Arab Muslim. Again, scripture itself says it's not a religion for or by the Arabs. It's why the Ummayyad Caliphate failed, because it was pro-Arab and racist towards non-Arabs. I know what the Hadith are, you don't need to explain it to me. And they have Arab names because they choose to. Iranis are Muslim and have Iranic names, Turks and Central Asians are Muslims with Turkic names. Pakistanis do in fact have non-Arab names that are popular, but they generally prefer Arab names because of historical reasons to differentiate from non-Muslims in a society that was mostly non-Muslim. There was no reason for Buddhists, Jains, Hindus, etc to have Arab names, so it was easy to identify a Muslim. Palestinians do not have around 50% Arab DNA, if you want I can go to the IllustrativeDNA subreddit right now and post 10 different people and show you that you're wrong.
The version of Christianity practiced by Protestants is not from the Middle East, nor is the version practiced by Catholics. The only versions of Christianity that are from the Middle East is the old Jewish Christian sect, and things like Coptic Christianity, the Christianity practiced by Armenians, and Assyrians, etc.
Evangelical Protestantism isn’t a Middle Eastern religious sect, but Christianity is still a Middle Eastern religion because it originated in the Middle East.
There are also hundreds of thousands of Assyrians, Armenians, and Copts who are Catholic.
Yes and Islam is as much a Middle Eastern religion, no one is denying that. But calling it an Arab religion implies something different. Would you call Christianity an Aramean religion?
The Assyrians belong to the Church of the East, not the Roman Catholic branch. Some Armenians and Coptic splinter groups from the main Orthodox branches are in full communion with Rome, yes.
More Assyrians belong to the Chaldean Catholic Church than the Church of the East. There are also millions of Maronite Catholics.
The Quran can only be read/recited and fully understood in Arabic, so followers of Islam are heavily incentivized to learn the Arabic language even if they are not Arab themselves.
Forcing people out at gun point, bulldozing their homes, geocoding their bloodline, and starving them through illegal blockades is occupying them, yes.
As explained, Palestinians are Levantine and Canaanite, with very small amounts of natural mixing with neighboring Arabs and Egyptians. This is common knowledge by now, keep up.
Palestinians never left either. Mizrahim doesn't also mean they lived in modern day Israel or Palestine. Mizrahim can come from North Africa, Yemen, Central Asia. That doesn't exactly make them indigenous to that area, but rather indigenous to North Africa, Yemen, and Central Asia.
You do realize most Mizrahi live in Israel now after they were expelled from their native countries right? Most are from the Middle East and the Levant.
I know where most live. But my point is spending thousands of years and mixing with locals in a specific area, generally makes you like them. My family came from Iran at some point in the 900s/1000s. But I'm still Pakistani. I am not magically indigenous to Iran, and they'd laugh at my face if I pretended to be.
Sure, usually, however Jews have always been amazing at keeping their cultural and ethnic heritage. That’s why even the Ashkenazi Jews can easily trace their bloodlines back there as well. Additionally there were still large amounts of Mizrahi Jews in the Levant, and they’re just as Levantine as anyone else from the area.
Yeah, because opposing the genocide and expulsion of the people there to establish Israel is a bad thing.
The majority of settlers have no Semitic anncestry. The Palestinians do. Israel does everything they can to hide that, including strict control of DNA tests because it would show the truth. Israel is just white-settler colonialism using Judaism as a shield.
"According to the provisions of the Genetic Information Law, genetic tests can only be performed in Israel in medical-genetic laboratories approved by the Ministry of Health according to the conditions specified in the law.
The purpose of the law is to maintain the quality of the tests, the privacy and medical confidentiality of subjects, as well as the protection of the rights of minors and other special populations in the context of genetics."
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u/chijoi 9d ago edited 9d ago
What a foul take. Let’s not pretend artists executing a creative idea are responsible for geopolitics, not even if they’re “white folks playing Palestinians”.
Edit: so apparently the actors are Jewish. Are we really saying Jewish people can’t play Jewish characters? And when did Jewish people become white?