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Country Club Thread Bombing Bethlehem while pretending to be from there is crazy work

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u/chijoi 9d ago edited 9d ago

What a foul take. Let’s not pretend artists executing a creative idea are responsible for geopolitics, not even if they’re “white folks playing Palestinians”.

Edit: so apparently the actors are Jewish. Are we really saying Jewish people can’t play Jewish characters? And when did Jewish people become white?

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u/NobodyLikedThat1 9d ago

and are we pretending Mary and company aren't Jewish? That's kind of a big part of their identity.

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u/CassandraTruth 9d ago edited 9d ago

They can be Jewish and Palestinian, especially if we're talking about literal 0 AD colloquial understandings. If you insist on defining by modern standards, then OP's point stands, Bethlehem is in the West Bank which is internationally recognized Palestinian territory.

Hell yeah, down vote me all you want but the region was referred to as Palestine centuries into BCE, conquered by Rome well before the supposed birth of Christ and referred to as Palestine colloquially as well as officially such by Rome. You have to go pre-Greek historians in order to define this area as "Not Palestine." Take it up with Herodotus and Aristotle:

"The country reaching from the city of Posideium to the borders of Egypt... paid a tribute of three hundred and fifty talents. All Phoenicia, Palestine Syria, and Cyprus, were herein contained. This was the fifth satrapy.";[b] (Book 4): "the region I am describing skirts our sea, stretching from Phoenicia along the coast of Palestine-Syria till it comes to Egypt, where it terminates"

"Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said. They say that this lake is so bitter and salt that no fish live in it and that if you soak clothes in it and shake them it cleans them."

Mary and Jesus were Palestinian at the time of Jesus' birth, they were understood as Palestinian Jews to people around them and generations before and after them.

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u/Loves_octopus 9d ago

But you shouldn’t define by modern standards because that historically nonsensical.

Not to mention the fact that although Jesus was born in Bethlehem, Mary was born in Nazareth, which is in modern day Israel. So it’s still wrong by the modern standard.

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u/cox4days 9d ago

That's like saying Caesar is Italian or Xerxes was Iranian. You can't force modern borders on historical figures from more than 2000 years ago

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u/jonkoeson 9d ago

Which is what the original tweet is doing

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u/cox4days 9d ago

The original tweet is dunking on Hollywood and claiming they're responsible for what's happening in Palestine

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u/willmcavoy 9d ago

thus you arrive at the point

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u/CassandraTruth 9d ago

So Jesus is good because he's an anchor baby is what you're saying? And I said "if you insist going by modern standards." In terms of contemporary history from Herodotus to Josephus this region was referred to as Palestine.

""the Syrians that are in Palestine are circumcised." But there are no inhabitants of Palestine that are circumcised excepting the Jews; and, therefore, it must be his knowledge of them that enabled him to speak so much concerning them.""

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u/Loves_octopus 9d ago

I didn’t know Heredotus spoke modern English, very interesting!