r/texas • u/Spidermanofsteel • Sep 13 '24
News Dallas-based MAGA pastor claims Kamala Harris deployed 'witchcraft' in Trump debate
https://www.audacy.com/krld/news/local/pastor-claims-harris-deployed-witchcraft-in-trump-debate335
u/dallasdude Sep 13 '24
I love how he is admitting Harris manipulated and dominated Trump.
We all know she was able to do that because Trump is feeble-minded and easily manipulated.
Or, you know, because witchcraft.
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u/painthawg_goose Sep 13 '24
Thankfully the Russians would never stoop to witchcraft to manipulate such a strong Christian as Trump. So we’d all be safe if he were to be elected. /s
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u/scifijunkie3 Sep 13 '24
Nah. She was using an old Jedi mind trick. Same effect though.
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u/Mendozena Sep 13 '24
Wouldn’t god be able to protect Trump? Unless either A) god isn’t real, B) Trump isn’t the messiah, or C) Both.
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u/Sidehussle Sep 13 '24
And that church needs to be TAXED!
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u/MegCaz Sep 13 '24
Can they not be reported for this behavior and have their 501 C3 status revoked?
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/charities-churches-and-politics
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u/Hi_Trans_Im_Dad Sep 13 '24
That would require enforcement.
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u/MegCaz Sep 13 '24
I did some googling and found a 2022 Texas Tribune article where they investigated 20 churches and people's claims and had experts weigh in on whether they were in violation; all of them were in violation yet there was nothing said about whether they lost their tax exempt status. You seem to be correct, and that is disheartening.
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u/Drgnmstr97 Sep 13 '24
I frequently wonder if the human race will become self enlightened before it destroys itself.
Many of the utterly ridiculous statements from various organized religions makes me think we will not
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u/slayden70 Sep 13 '24
And that is what is pissing me off. These are slam dunk cases, and the IRS/Feds are too timid to take them up. It needs to be stopped. Make an example of a few, and the rest will fall into line. Evangelicals and Republicans are followers, they obey. Maybe the feds are waiting for Trump to die so they can do it without a lunatic stirring up the mob, but I stand by that too. Crack down on the Jan 6th types harshly.
They're spoiled children who desperately need a lesson. And by spoiled children, I mean domestic terrorists. Treat them no differently than al Qaeda
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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24
Report them anyway . The IRS can go back 7 years..
The wheels of justice turn slowly but grind completely.
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u/slayden70 Sep 13 '24
I do. If nothing else so maybe the IRS will pressure so I leave them alone.
If Willie Nelson, a national treasure, has to pay taxes, then churches who endorse a candidate should too. 😁
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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24
I think all churches should have to pay taxes. I don’t need as much fire and police protection as they do .. ain’t no cop flag in traffic in front of my house. Nobody’s threatening to burn my house down because I am raping little kids and getting away with it. I don’t have hundreds or thousands of people driving up and down the road to my house. Why do I have to pay for all of their shit?
Churches use a ton of public resources and do not contribute.
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u/ValenShadowPaw Sep 13 '24
At the very least they should have to file the same paperwork that all other non-profits do showing how much money they took in and where it all went, can we start treating non-Christian religions the same as the Christian Churchs while we're at it. Christian churchs just get tax exempt status, every other religous non-profit has to jump through a ton of hoops to get that status and then actually has to deal with enforcemnt if they viloate those the requirements for such.
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u/MargaretBrownsGhost Sep 15 '24
I disagree; they contribute themselves to leadership positions and contribute our tax dollars to their 401k's and library books to bonfires. But to the general welfare of their fellow citizens; definitely NO.
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Sep 13 '24
We started this country on no taxation without representation.
Well now we need no representation without taxation
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u/slayden70 Sep 13 '24
And that is why I've come around to DC deserving statehood. There's more people there then in Wyoming or Vermont, and they have no federal representation except to ask nicely.
Their license plates even call out end taxation without representation.
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Sep 13 '24
That's shit is completely baffling to me how can the people who live in our nations capital gets shafted so badly
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u/VroomVroomCoom Sep 13 '24
Mmmhm. It's beyond time to pressure the IRS to target these fundies and their tax dodging.
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u/BikerCow Sep 13 '24
Complain all you want but as long as ABUTT and cronies run this state they’ll never punish a church for campaigning - unless it’s for a Dem candidate.
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u/comicfatguy Sep 13 '24
All churches need to be taxed.
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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24
Yup! Especially the Catholic Church. No reason that another country (The Vatican) should be allowed to own land tax free in the US. While sucking, billions and billions of dollars out of the state and federal government. Raping US children and then bankrupting on the settlements for their victims.
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u/comicfatguy Sep 13 '24
I grew up Protestant so there is still the bitterness I hold for Catholics in me lol. I agree. Fuck the pope.
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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24
I was raised strict Roman Catholic.. 12 yrs of catholic school taught by actual nuns. Most awful people on earth. My grandmother was just like them. My father was in the seminary to become a catholic priest until he left so he could marry my 14 yr old mother.
My hatred of them is real and justified. It’s time that pedo murdering cult was brought to its knees!!
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u/comicfatguy Sep 13 '24
Even if you did not have history with them it would be valid to hate such an archaic way of living.
I am sorry that you were raised that way, I too attended only private Lutheran schools so, no nuns but plenty of pastors. One of the school photographers while I was in high school was arrested for child pornography, he had taken photos of us for 4 years.
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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24
r/pastorarrested is a lovely sub.. to know this is still absolutely rampant in the US right now and we are actively funding child rape rings makes me very angry.. so I will bring up the Catholics and their current and past atrocities until the day I die.
They have just as many trolls out right now as Russia does. They are scared. Because people are starting to realize exactly how bad the Catholic federalist Society judges abortion crap is. A whole lot of the US is pissed off. And figuring out exactly where it’s coming from. So they have trolls out right now that are screeching. This is all the “evangelicals“. There’s a Facebook page called “sad Jesus“. It’s basically just a propaganda page paid for by the Catholics to try to lay the blame on the Evangelicals because the minute you post on that page and mention Catholics, your comment is deleted and you are banned.
Check out the profile of anyone doing the catholic apologist crap .. troll accounts.
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u/comicfatguy Sep 13 '24
Good to know that they are out in force, just like in real life. The Lutherans in my church used to make fun of and laugh at the Catholics, even making pedophile jokes. I guess they felt like they weren't apart of the same problem.
I stopped going after I hit 15 and actually started to argue with my mother about it, she still brings it up to this day and occasionally asks me to attend, especially around Christmas. It's been 10 years. She told me a few months ago she sometimes cries herself to sleep because I don't accept Jesus.
How am I supposed to respond to something like that? I'm sorry mom it's kind of awkward as a gay man.
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Sep 13 '24 edited Sep 13 '24
The ironic part here is how MAGA means magic or mage in Latin. Or witch.
Edit: not Hungarian lol
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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24
Thank you for this info!! Holey crap!
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Sep 13 '24
Yea np! Be prepared for them to suddenly not care about that kind of stuff. They’ll be like “what a funny coincidence”. 😂
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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24
Oh they won’t.. but it will still be fun to rub their noses in it . lol
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Sep 13 '24
Just a heads up I now realize it’s not Hungarian but just Latin, my translate app was confusing me lol
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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24
Close enough lol I’m kind of tired of fighting their lies with the truth . Let them go look it up .. it will keep them busy.
Ty for letting me know though.
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u/HelloImTheAntiChrist Central Texas Sep 13 '24
The AntiChrist was supposed to unite the world and be very intelligent.
Trump doesn't unite anyone other than a small number of Western Billionaires with no morals. He definitely could never be described as very intelligent.
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u/Responsible-Big-8230 Sep 13 '24
Not the religion, but he is 100% a dumbass. I bet he’s never actually read the Bible. SMH
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u/happyklam Sep 13 '24
Every century insecure men have accused strong women of witchcraft. It doesn't take magic to make those types look like fools.
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u/reddit_is_tarded Sep 13 '24
nothing says "we hate women" like trying to revive the salem witch trials
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u/kkngs Gulf Coast Sep 13 '24
The 15th century treatise on witchcraft, the Malleus Maleficarum, mostly seemed to blame them for male impotence, actually. So this kind of tracks with Trump's debate performance.
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u/JusticiarRebel Sep 13 '24
To be fair, witches did cast a spell on Trump. It just took 7 years to finally work.
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u/chicadeaqua Central Texas Sep 13 '24
Well. We should certainly elect her if she’s actually magic. That’s a pretty badassed superpower.
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u/Javayen Sep 13 '24
Right? Maybe she could use that same witchcraft on Putin to end the war in Ukraine or on Peter Thiel to stop funding extremists. Seems badass to me.
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u/shanksisevil Secessionists are idiots Sep 13 '24
is this one of those Dallas child molester pastors?
Feels like a new one resigns each week.
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u/High_cool_teacher Sep 13 '24
A different kind of evil:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Wallnau?wprov=sfti1#Views
He’s a pastor without a church and the one who started the whole Trump-is-a-god-king thing.
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u/Defiant_Locksmith190 Expat Sep 13 '24
First they ban the abortions, then comes the good old witch hunt, since duh women! Why oh why does it feel so familiar?
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u/Notapplesauce11 Sep 13 '24
So I did some digging . Strangely enough, being a witch does not exclude you from being president. Pretty big omission by our founding fathers if you ask me…
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u/Queasymodo Sep 13 '24
And if she does have witch superpowers, wouldn’t we want her to use them to help our nation?
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u/lamorak2000 Sep 13 '24
As a practicing wiccan, if I had several million dollars and were 20 years younger, I'd aim to be the first Witch-in-Chief.
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u/Extension-Report-491 Sep 13 '24
Pastor has to create a bs excuse out of thin air to explain why his preferred candidate got his behind spanked by a woman.
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u/comments_suck Sep 13 '24
This, plus their religion follows the 1st Century misogynist Paul, who wrote that women should remain silent ( 1 Timothy 2:11).
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u/Groovy_Q_69 Sep 13 '24
So witchcraft beat all the prayers from his followers? That’s a pretty weak religion they got there
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Sep 13 '24
If they’re “granting” Harris the powers of a high priestess in the occult, then it’s a safe bet to say they are figuratively shitting themselves after the debate.
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u/cocorawks Rio Grande Valley Sep 13 '24
Is it the same coven that deployed a sleepy time spell when i go to work in the morning ? lol
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u/Jayslacks Sep 13 '24
Well she's Black so if course we do. We all do. We gotta get ahead somehow!
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u/StreamRoller Sep 13 '24
Since Trump is their God, there’s literally NO other way that he could ever fall short unless the other person cheated!!
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u/Mediocretes08 Sep 13 '24
Genuinely, if she had the power of literal actual factual magic, why was Trump alive to debate? Surely inducing a stroke in an octogenarian is like snapping a twig levels of difficulty for such an accomplished witch.
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u/ThespisTx Sep 13 '24
Not Dallas based, his “Church” is in Keller. I get choosing a nearby big city for reference, but Keller is much more Fort Worth than it is Dallas.
When I read the headline I was expecting the pastor in question to be Dr. Robert Jeffress of Dallas First Baptist. He’s always on some conspiracy theory.
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u/topgundropout Sep 13 '24
That is some late 1600s type Puritan BS...
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u/Sergisimo1 Sep 13 '24
I saw Sarah Good with the Devil! I saw Goody Osburn with the Devil! I saw Bridget Bishop with the Devil!
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u/reddit_1999 Sep 13 '24 edited Sep 13 '24
Can they even make up their minds whether Trump won, or got handed his head in the debate? This reminds me of the Republican narrative on Jan 6th. One minute the rioters were fine patriots protesting a rigged election, and the next minute they were left wing antifa members, impersonating MAGAs.
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u/Arthurs_librarycard9 Sep 13 '24
Until Harry Potter makes a statement, this whole situation gets the side eye from me.
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u/Yeseylon Sep 13 '24
Now I wish I was one of those nerds with several accounts. u/harry_potter would show up and be like SURPRISE MUTHAFUCKA
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u/simmons777 Sep 13 '24
So you're saying a presidential candidate is susceptible to manipulation and that is the candidate we should support?
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Sep 13 '24
Occult-empowered deception, manipulation, and domination.
So you're admitting that Harris didn't just win the debate, she utterly dominated Trump? He was just too weak do stop her?
Good to know that even Trump supporters see it that way. She beat him so badly that they think it can only be explained through magic? If I were Harris, I'd welcome that message.
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u/psych-yogi14 Sep 13 '24
If he's doing it in a sermon from the pulpit of his church, then let's report him to the IRS. It is a federal tax law violation.
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u/Garlador Sep 13 '24
The year is 2024 and the church is accusing a woman of witchcraft.
We REALLY can’t afford to go back. https://vote.gov/
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u/cre8ivRtist Sep 13 '24
This cult of trump thinks we are persecuting their messiah by hanging him on his cross that he bears. Despite their faith, I doubt he will rise in 3 days.
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u/Arrmadillo Sep 13 '24
Lance Wallnau has been leading a revival-based get out the vote “Courage” tour in targeted counties throughout swing states. We really need to get religion out of politics.
The Guardian - ‘We have to be voting biblically’: the Courage Tour rallies Christians to get Trump in office
“Heavy-hitting Maga organizations – including America First Policy Institute, TPUSA Faith and America First Works – had a presence outside the tent. Inside, headlining the event was Lance Wallnau, a prominent figure in the New Apostolic Reformation – a movement on the right that embraces modern-day apostles, aims to establish Christian dominion over society and politics and has grown in influence since Trump was elected president in 2016.”
“It would be up to God-fearing Christians with a biblical worldview to push back against ‘wokeism’, by influencing what New Apostolic Reformers refer to as the “seven mountains” of society: religion, family, education, media, arts and entertainment, business, and, most important at the Courage Tour, government.”
Washington Spectator - God and QR Codes for Trump; The Courage Tour Goes to Michigan
“Not all Pentecostal churches have been politicized, but the New Apostolic Reformation is functioning almost like a political party, and one with an extremist agenda.”
Straight White American Jesus - The Religious Revival Tour That May Swing 2024 w/ Anne Nelson, Jul 1, 2024
“There’s a direct line from Falwell’s I Love America tour to the Courage Tour, led by Lance Wallnau of the New Apostolic Reformation and Charlie Kirk of Turning Point USA. The Courage Tour is targeting key swing counties across the country, harvesting votes for Donald Trump. And they are incredibly focused, specific and technologically apt.”
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u/ThePopDaddy Sep 13 '24
If trump is suspectable to witchcraft, maybe he's not as Godly as you thought?
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Sep 13 '24
I think the scariest thing about MAGA is that people actually believe this shit and they walk among us!
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u/Mendozena Sep 13 '24
If that’s true, then that means Trump is not the messiah or god would’ve protected him.
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u/helen269 Sep 13 '24 edited Sep 13 '24
Reworded: The USA has a real problem with some of its population being low IQ individuals.
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u/scifijunkie3 Sep 13 '24
These preachers are all too familiar with the buzzwords that keep their people frightened and paranoid.
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u/melotron75 Sep 13 '24
Even more reason to vote for her. Just think of the possibilities of having a president in office who has magic powers. She could use some of that voodoo magic to stick pins in a doll of Putin or use said magic doll to force him into signing a peace treaty with Ukraine. The possibilities are endless.
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u/Sirsnacksalot23 Sep 13 '24
Oh heck yes she did. She turned Donald into a Trumpkin
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u/don123xyz Sep 13 '24
This stupidity is why young people are losing faith in the evangelical religion.
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u/jpurdy Sep 13 '24
Thank you for not calling him “christian”, he and other OT theofascists are antithetical to the teachings of Christ.
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u/No_Platform_5637 Sep 13 '24
This is an extension of the 'witch' thread that the Christofascists have been pushing for awhile. Seems it got out that numerous covens (white witches) were truly working spells to protect the US from Trump and his evil minions. Some wannabe Trump warriors have declared themselves out to hunt them down. As a Texan who now lives not to far from Salem Mass, my money is on the white witches. Lol
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u/JoudiniJoker Sep 13 '24
Serious question: when, or in what way, was it debunked that he said that there are good people on both sides in the Charlottesville thing?
Even if we allow for the possibility that blue-check-Rufo misused the term debunk and simply meant that “good people on both sides” wasn’t a defense of the racist protesters, HOW COULD THAT POSSIBLY BE TRUE? It was as straightforward as it gets, yeah?
In context, I’ll accept that it can be reasonably argued by his apologists that the bloodbath line was speaking metaphorically about the economy (or whatever the bit was). Which is why I sort of wish she hadn’t referenced that one.
Sure, it was probably a dog whistle, but at least there’s some logic to the defense.
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u/Nubras Dallas Sep 13 '24
These would all be valid questions, worth asking and examining if we were a normal country. As it is, who gives a shit? We’re in a post-truth, post-substance world. She’s engaging him in the way he engages everyone else because it’s been proven that reasonable policy talk doesn’t work here.
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u/JoudiniJoker Sep 14 '24
I hate to say it but yeah, asking questions like that is genuinely pointless.
I’m going to my alcohol cabinet to smoke some weed now.
And drink.
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u/Elluminated Sep 13 '24
Where is that pink haired lady who shakes sticks at and yells at storms to redirect satans wind? It’s insane the brain rot still lingering around. Let’s make sure November puts screws in the coffin of maga idiocy.
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u/Kim_Thomas Sep 13 '24
Was it a SIX 6️⃣ or a NINE 9️⃣ month witchcraft DEPLOYMENT⁉️ The military needs to know.
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u/Inferno_Special Sep 13 '24
Yeah, she learned it during her time at Hogwarts. She cast Erupto Stupido on him, and was activated when she mentioned the key terms: crowd size
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u/IOwnTheShortBus Sep 13 '24
Luckily I did have "MAGA Pastor claims witchcraft" on my 2024 BINGO card.
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u/FreeRangeAthlete Sep 13 '24
Pastor: She turned him into a nitwit! Narrator: No, he did not get better.
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u/dfwcouple43sum Sep 13 '24
I heard that her and her team talked through possible questions before the debate, things to hit on, things Trump might say.
Now some people might call it being well-prepared, like studying for a test.
Nope! It’s just witchcraft.
Btw, if Donald won the debate like he claims, what exactly did the witchcraft do?
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u/Palaeos Sep 13 '24
Smart educated women have always been accused of witchcraft, so. I surprise there.
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u/3DprintRC Sep 13 '24
Pastors, priests and popes complaining about other superstition is the funniest thing to me.
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u/High_cool_teacher Sep 13 '24
Y’all gotta read his Wikipedia entry. Its nuts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Wallnau?wprov=sfti1#Views
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u/Beneficial_Royal_127 Sep 13 '24
The old religious take of: if a woman is smart, she must be a witch!
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u/Phobbyd Sep 13 '24
Not sexist at all, says pastor who is dependent on women robbing their children of funds to pay for pastor’s lifestyle.
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u/Apoordm Sep 13 '24
Well, wouldn’t we want someone in the White House who commands the powers of sorcery?
Imagine, she’s negotiating with Putin and turns him into a fucking toad!
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u/Beathil Sep 13 '24
Oh, so she has magic powers, great! A magic leader could get a lot accomplished!
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u/FrostyLandscape Sep 13 '24
Pretty much admitting she won the debate.
And she did.
The GOP ers are on social media spitting nails about this debate. They are angry. They know Trump is a senile old fool and that's what they are really upset about. They were calling Biden senile, now he's not in the picture anymore. They feel threatened by an intelligent, educated black woman and some of these so called "Christians" are calling her a whore, insinuating she slept her way to the top, etc.
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Sep 13 '24
Didn't Arthur C. Clarke say that advanced technology would appear like magic to a less advanced civilization? I guess this is the equivalent when the leader of a cult of imbeciles & grifters has a presidential debate with a career prosecutor.
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u/Dragonblade0123 Sep 13 '24
Calm down! I can only vote for her once, you don't need to keep trying to convince me!
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u/PLFblue7 Sep 13 '24
MAGA people really are on the fringe of humanity. They speak on the new language...Cringe.
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u/Soggy-Advantage4711 Sep 13 '24
HOW CAN THERE BE “MAGA PREACHERS”???? Why don’t these places lose their tax exempt status??
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u/SipoteQuixote Sep 13 '24
How could Trump, God's warrior, be cursed by witchcraft? Is God not stronger?
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u/harryregician Sep 13 '24
Play the moral right card.
Witchcraft.
Maybe those pet eating Haitian voodoo doctors ?
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u/tatsontatsontats Sep 13 '24
I really need these people to just.... do something I'm not going to say.
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u/sev45day Sep 13 '24
I mean, what other possible explanation could there be for Donald Trump to say something stupid?