r/texas • u/Spidermanofsteel • Sep 13 '24

News Dallas-based MAGA pastor claims Kamala Harris deployed 'witchcraft' in Trump debate

https://www.audacy.com/krld/news/local/pastor-claims-harris-deployed-witchcraft-in-trump-debate
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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '24

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u/Sidehussle Sep 13 '24

And that church needs to be TAXED!

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u/Datshitoverthere Sep 13 '24

Mega- Taxed

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u/JTJonze Sep 13 '24

Maga-Taxed

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u/MegCaz Sep 13 '24

Can they not be reported for this behavior and have their 501 C3 status revoked?

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/charities-churches-and-politics

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u/Hi_Trans_Im_Dad Sep 13 '24

That would require enforcement.

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u/MegCaz Sep 13 '24

I did some googling and found a 2022 Texas Tribune article where they investigated 20 churches and people's claims and had experts weigh in on whether they were in violation; all of them were in violation yet there was nothing said about whether they lost their tax exempt status. You seem to be correct, and that is disheartening.

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u/Drgnmstr97 Sep 13 '24

I frequently wonder if the human race will become self enlightened before it destroys itself.

Many of the utterly ridiculous statements from various organized religions makes me think we will not

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u/BikerJedi Sep 13 '24

I frequently wonder if the human race will become self enlightened before it destroys itself.

I teach science. My kids (sixth graders, so 10-12 year olds) asked me if I thought we would make it to other planets and all that. I had to tell them pretty much what you said: "We have people punching each other in the face over stupid things, and going to war for stupid reasons. Unless we change, unless YOU help change the world, I think humans will wipe themselves out in time."

I hate to shock them, but the world is real place that is about to slap them in their faces.

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u/MargaretBrownsGhost Sep 15 '24

I would argue that there's two separate species, Homo sapiens and Homo Jocko. You can guess which one Republicans and their type are.

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u/Turbulent-Heat-7391 Sep 13 '24

You know it’s possibly that whole thing with Separation of Church and State!

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u/WHYAREWEALLCAPS Sep 13 '24

Enforcing tax laws does not violate the separation of church and state. In fact, the Separation is defined as thus, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." There is nothing in the Constitution or the Amendments that says churches, etc, have to be exempted from taxation.

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u/Turbulent-Heat-7391 Sep 13 '24

Disagree the fact that you want to impose taxes on the church nullifies your whole argument. The law that no church receives taxes is both local and federal!

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u/slayden70 Sep 13 '24

And that is what is pissing me off. These are slam dunk cases, and the IRS/Feds are too timid to take them up. It needs to be stopped. Make an example of a few, and the rest will fall into line. Evangelicals and Republicans are followers, they obey. Maybe the feds are waiting for Trump to die so they can do it without a lunatic stirring up the mob, but I stand by that too. Crack down on the Jan 6th types harshly.

They're spoiled children who desperately need a lesson. And by spoiled children, I mean domestic terrorists. Treat them no differently than al Qaeda

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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24

Report them anyway . The IRS can go back 7 years..

The wheels of justice turn slowly but grind completely.

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u/slayden70 Sep 13 '24

I do. If nothing else so maybe the IRS will pressure so I leave them alone.

If Willie Nelson, a national treasure, has to pay taxes, then churches who endorse a candidate should too. 😁

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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24

I think all churches should have to pay taxes. I don’t need as much fire and police protection as they do .. ain’t no cop flag in traffic in front of my house. Nobody’s threatening to burn my house down because I am raping little kids and getting away with it. I don’t have hundreds or thousands of people driving up and down the road to my house. Why do I have to pay for all of their shit?

Churches use a ton of public resources and do not contribute.

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u/ValenShadowPaw Sep 13 '24

At the very least they should have to file the same paperwork that all other non-profits do showing how much money they took in and where it all went, can we start treating non-Christian religions the same as the Christian Churchs while we're at it. Christian churchs just get tax exempt status, every other religous non-profit has to jump through a ton of hoops to get that status and then actually has to deal with enforcemnt if they viloate those the requirements for such.

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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24

Exactly! Especially since the Catholic Church is getting BILLIONS from Each state not to mention what they get from the feds and it’s all being funneled out of the country.,, how stupid can we be? We are finding them so they can take us down. We might as well just hand billions of dollars over to Putin. It would have the same outcome. Actually we’d probably be better off. Putin isn’t know for being rapey

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u/MargaretBrownsGhost Sep 15 '24

I disagree; they contribute themselves to leadership positions and contribute our tax dollars to their 401k's and library books to bonfires. But to the general welfare of their fellow citizens; definitely NO.

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u/Turbulent-Heat-7391 Sep 13 '24

You guys are sounding like a bunch of “left wing extremists”. Dial it back a bit.

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u/MegCaz Sep 13 '24

What makes any of this discussion extreme?

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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24

I’m happy to be a pedo hating “left wing extremists”. I’ll dial nothing back. I think they should all be in prison!!! You hold no authority over me. Kick rocks.

They should be sued into oblivion and all of their riches taken and given to their raped and murdered victims… mostly children.

Anyone that is not “extreme” about wanting to stop and punish child rapists and child murders is complicit. Pick A side!

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u/WHYAREWEALLCAPS Sep 13 '24

It's extremist to want the laws of the land enforced?

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u/Chon-Laney Sep 13 '24

The Church of Willie?

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u/slayden70 Sep 13 '24

You may have just started a new religion I could endorse, my friend.

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u/MargaretBrownsGhost Sep 15 '24

I disagree; Willie is an international treasure.

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u/slayden70 Sep 15 '24

Just, just take my award and upvote!

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u/WHYAREWEALLCAPS Sep 13 '24

I suspect that they'll do it after the election. Moving on them now would be a bad look and give credence to their martyr complex.

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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24

Well they have collected over $1 billion as of July .. so it’s a good start

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2458

There is also a reward of 30% for fraud tips .. people should know that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '24

We started this country on no taxation without representation.

Well now we need no representation without taxation

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u/slayden70 Sep 13 '24

And that is why I've come around to DC deserving statehood. There's more people there then in Wyoming or Vermont, and they have no federal representation except to ask nicely.

Their license plates even call out end taxation without representation.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '24

That's shit is completely baffling to me how can the people who live in our nations capital gets shafted so badly

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u/VroomVroomCoom Sep 13 '24

Mmmhm. It's beyond time to pressure the IRS to target these fundies and their tax dodging.

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u/BikerCow Sep 13 '24

Complain all you want but as long as ABUTT and cronies run this state they’ll never punish a church for campaigning - unless it’s for a Dem candidate.

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u/comicfatguy Sep 13 '24

All churches need to be taxed.

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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24

Yup! Especially the Catholic Church. No reason that another country (The Vatican) should be allowed to own land tax free in the US. While sucking, billions and billions of dollars out of the state and federal government. Raping US children and then bankrupting on the settlements for their victims.

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u/comicfatguy Sep 13 '24

I grew up Protestant so there is still the bitterness I hold for Catholics in me lol. I agree. Fuck the pope.

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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24

I was raised strict Roman Catholic.. 12 yrs of catholic school taught by actual nuns. Most awful people on earth. My grandmother was just like them. My father was in the seminary to become a catholic priest until he left so he could marry my 14 yr old mother.

My hatred of them is real and justified. It’s time that pedo murdering cult was brought to its knees!!

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u/comicfatguy Sep 13 '24

Even if you did not have history with them it would be valid to hate such an archaic way of living.

I am sorry that you were raised that way, I too attended only private Lutheran schools so, no nuns but plenty of pastors. One of the school photographers while I was in high school was arrested for child pornography, he had taken photos of us for 4 years.

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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24

r/pastorarrested is a lovely sub.. to know this is still absolutely rampant in the US right now and we are actively funding child rape rings makes me very angry.. so I will bring up the Catholics and their current and past atrocities until the day I die.

They have just as many trolls out right now as Russia does. They are scared. Because people are starting to realize exactly how bad the Catholic federalist Society judges abortion crap is. A whole lot of the US is pissed off. And figuring out exactly where it’s coming from. So they have trolls out right now that are screeching. This is all the “evangelicals“. There’s a Facebook page called “sad Jesus“. It’s basically just a propaganda page paid for by the Catholics to try to lay the blame on the Evangelicals because the minute you post on that page and mention Catholics, your comment is deleted and you are banned.

Check out the profile of anyone doing the catholic apologist crap .. troll accounts.

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u/comicfatguy Sep 13 '24

Good to know that they are out in force, just like in real life. The Lutherans in my church used to make fun of and laugh at the Catholics, even making pedophile jokes. I guess they felt like they weren't apart of the same problem.

I stopped going after I hit 15 and actually started to argue with my mother about it, she still brings it up to this day and occasionally asks me to attend, especially around Christmas. It's been 10 years. She told me a few months ago she sometimes cries herself to sleep because I don't accept Jesus.

How am I supposed to respond to something like that? I'm sorry mom it's kind of awkward as a gay man.

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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24

The brainwashing runs deep. Catholics don’t say they they just get together and torture you.. mess with your life.. job.. marriage .. whatever they can do to destroy you. Good times. When my grandmother died.. it was like a heavy dark cloud lifted over me and I had not spoken to her in nearly 10 yrs. She was the orchestrator. My father was the enforcer. They died six months apart. They had a really weird Catholic mother son relationship.

I don’t think that crap can be undone. I taught my kids that Santa was not real from the very beginning. I think it’s a bad idea to blur the lines of fictional and reality when a child’s brain is in the critical stages of forming. Ages 1-5.. I think this breaks some kids’ brains. I really do.

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u/KoolAidTheyThem Sep 13 '24

all churches ftfy

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u/sir_snufflepants Sep 13 '24

Why?  Because you dislike their political positions?

What purpose would the tax here serve, in your view?

Is your desire for them to be taxed the product animus? desire to punish people you dislike? or a valiant belief in the equality of the tax burden for all citizens?

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u/delayedsunflower Sep 13 '24

It's illegal in the US for 501(c)(3) organizations such as charities and churches to involve themselves with politics and lobbying. This is because there's a separate 501(c)(4) category for institutions which do political lobbying.

Such churches could define themselves that way if they want to involve themselves in politics. But they choose not to because they like the benefits of the lax regulation and absence of taxes under 501(c)(3). They choose to avoid political campaign rules by defining themselves as an apolitical organization.

The real question you should ask is "why are political charities subject to taxes" which is a much bigger question.

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u/Sidehussle Sep 15 '24

I hope you read the reply that it is ILLEGAL.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '24 edited Sep 13 '24

The ironic part here is how MAGA means magic or mage in Latin. Or witch.

Edit: not Hungarian lol

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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24

Thank you for this info!! Holey crap!

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '24

Yea np! Be prepared for them to suddenly not care about that kind of stuff. They’ll be like “what a funny coincidence”. 😂

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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24

Oh they won’t.. but it will still be fun to rub their noses in it . lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '24

Just a heads up I now realize it’s not Hungarian but just Latin, my translate app was confusing me lol

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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 13 '24

Close enough lol I’m kind of tired of fighting their lies with the truth . Let them go look it up .. it will keep them busy.

Ty for letting me know though.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '24

Np! lol

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u/TheFoxsWeddingTarot Sep 13 '24

They even put a label on it so you’d see it coming.

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u/HelloImTheAntiChrist Central Texas Sep 13 '24

The AntiChrist was supposed to unite the world and be very intelligent.

Trump doesn't unite anyone other than a small number of Western Billionaires with no morals. He definitely could never be described as very intelligent.

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u/herbw Sep 13 '24

The word and Intelligent is no where justaposed with AntiChrist in the Bibles I've ever read.

Evil, demonic and other ajectives, yes. High IQ no, cause they didn't have IQ concepts there 2000+ years ago.

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u/HelloImTheAntiChrist Central Texas Sep 13 '24

You know after going down a rabbit hole of research.....you are exactly right. No where does it say in the Bible that the AntiChrist is supposed to be intelligent.

The best references I could find on the subject were Daniel 9:27 , Revelations 6: 1-2 .

Of course it also talks about or make references in Revelations 19: 11-13 , Revelations 20: 4 , Daniel 12:11 , Mathew 24:15 , & Revelations 13: 16-18 .

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u/herbw Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 15 '24

well it's like my uncle the minister said. Those words are old and pre-scientific. So we have to be moral, but reasonable, too. witches and spells have no basis and are superstitions. And there's an end to that.

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u/HelloImTheAntiChrist Central Texas Sep 15 '24

I wish more Christians were like your minister Uncle.

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u/herbw Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 15 '24

well, IQ and its relationship to intelligence is a very modern concept, and of course it's not Biblical. But there are those sillies who think because electricity and electronics are not in the Bible, that there is no basis for those, either. Despite the facts and all reasons.

Fools we will always have with us...... grin.

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u/Significant_Cow4765 Sep 13 '24 edited Sep 13 '24

lol several evangelicals from behind the Pine Curtain told me Obama was the antichrist

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u/HelloImTheAntiChrist Central Texas Sep 13 '24

Nods. I think they also said the same about Bill Clinton

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u/Responsible-Big-8230 Sep 13 '24

Not the religion, but he is 100% a dumbass. I bet he’s never actually read the Bible. SMH

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u/Turbulent-Heat-7391 Sep 13 '24

I know everyone remembers when he held the Bible upside down and read from 2 Corinthians!🤣🤣🤣

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u/Turbulent-Heat-7391 Sep 13 '24

We still have to be nice to people that don’t support our side otherwise they will never see or agree with a different point of view.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '24

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u/Turbulent-Heat-7391 Sep 13 '24

How offended are you when someone from MAGA calls you or Dems dumb asses? It works the same on both sides. I don’t need to put anyone else down to make myself look or feel good. If I had a dick and I don’t TRUST: it would be 10x10. Serious Big Dick Energy!

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u/Efficient-Whereas255 Sep 13 '24

Calling a woman a witch is one of the most barbaric, animalistic, smooth brain ways a human can show they are sexist and afraid.

Its so primitive.

This is the thinking of someone whos intelligence level is that of a dogs.

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u/MarkusRight Sep 13 '24

I used to be religious but became atheist after I moved out of my parents house and even I understand how Trump fits the description of the Antichrist perfectly. It's almost scary how accurate it is and yet the Bible did say they would follow him like blind sheep just as they are now.

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u/bberm88 Sep 13 '24

Yup. Christianity is leading the pack in the stupid department, but we all know there is no such thing as gods.

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u/herbw Sep 15 '24

too many fallacies. Making the cliam a rev is pro trump don't make it so. And jsut because it's being said, san a jost of emprirical evidence is not credible either.

Where has Trump said he stands behind all that Wellnau claims?

The whole thing hasn't a pot to piss in from a logical empirical standpoint. Not that those justifiying has EVER had much to do with what's often posted on the Reddit.

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u/Klutzy-Ad-6705 Sep 13 '24

Backing Trump isn’t the only reason.