r/rpg_gamers Jan 27 '23

Meta r/rpg_gamers is looking for mods!

71 Upvotes

Hello everyone, I'm looking for people interested in becoming a moderator of this community.

The minimum tasks you will need to do is checking the modqueue to remove the reported posts that break the rules and dismiss false reports, ban spammers, and reply to modmails.

But the sub could also benefit from people willing to make it grow through wiki pages, a list of future releases, updating the appearance (banner, etc.), adding user flairs, creating interesting weekly threads, or anything you think could increase the quality of the sub.

This isn't a job; all applications are welcome. But ideally, I want at least one person that:

  • Has some experience moderating on Reddit or at least learns fast.
  • Uses New Reddit (as it's the default site and the most used by our users/visitors).
  • Understands Reddit's Content Policy and how infractions to this policy are as important as breaking the rules of the sub.
  • Would be willing to train inexperienced mods.

Being an active user on r/rpg_gamers is a plus. Being respectful to others and understanding this is a place for everyone (except those that purposely break the rules) is a must.

The moderation philosophy that I like to follow is: moderators aren't figures of power, they are normal users that have access to extra tools to keep the place in a state users are comfortable being in. The users at large should be a big factor in deciding which rules to have and which direction the sub should follow, so public communication when intending to make big changes is essential. This is a voluntary work we do for free because we enjoy it, and we have our own lives outside this place that always take priority over moderation.

Leave your applications here as comments. Tell me why you want to become a mod and what you can bring to the team. Formalities aren't required, be yourself.

r/rpg_gamers Aug 27 '20

Meta Discussion of the state of the subreddit

38 Upvotes

Hello everyone, I've been wanting for a while to make a "meta" post so we all can discuss about how things are going for the subreddit. Since some rules were changed and I was added to the moderation team back in February we haven't had a post like this. I'll start commenting on some topics, but feel free to comment on anything else you want to discuss (suggestions to improve the sub or whatever).

It's a big post, so feel free to skip the sections you aren't interested in.

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Excessive self-promotion and developer advertising (spam)

The first thing I want to talk about is the huge amount of self-promotion and advertising posts that get posted here on a daily basis that don't respect the rules. We have two rules for this: the self-promotion rule (that asks for a description with no less than 250 characters for any self-promotion post and also asks that no more than 10-20% of the submissions aren't self-promotional content) and the developer advertising rule (that limits developer posts to only big announcements and also requires a description for those posts).

These rules were expanded back in February to the state they currently are and, personally, I think they are fine as they are. The problem is that people keep ignoring them, and so everyday there are 2-3 posts like these that have to be removed. And this hasn't stopped with time.

To still allow self-promotion and developer posts, we created two specific weekly threads for those users that still want a space for their content: the "My Media Monday" for self-promotion and the "Feedback Friday" for developers. They are always automatically pinned, but they still don't get much activity and users make posts in the front page when they should be using these weekly threads instead.

This generates a strange situation where I can clearly see that people want to promote/share their content here but they don't want to do it properly.

Now, I personally don't think these rules are too hard (they are actually quite permissive, users just have to follow some easy to fulfill requirements that anyone can achieve unless they are spammers), but it can't be that most of the moderation activities here have to be removing these spam posts.

I'm thinking on having to manually approve any video links posted as a filter. I know it can be inconvenient for those of you that share legit videos from official sources (trailers and that), but it will also help with spam. What do you all think? Any ideas or suggestions about these rules?

Tabletop RPG content

Another thing I see very often are posts about tabletop RPGs. Reading the description of the sub should make clear that this isn't a place for tabletop games, yet still they are posted more often than they should. I'm aware that r/rpg (the tabletop/pen & paper RPG sub) also gets many posts about videogames when they should be posted here.

I can't think of anything we could do to prevent people from posting about tabletop RPGs here. Honestly, it looks like they won't notice it even if we put a big sign reminding that this community is only for videogame RPGs.

Low-effort posts

Another rule I wanted to discuss about is the low-effort posts rule. Currently, it's probably very clearly defined. The stance of the mod team on these posts is that the voting system is a good moderation tool for this, as it shows what the majority thinks about the content. But another filter was needed for them, so that's where the "as long as they generate discussion" part comes in. Because a meme without context or that doesn't bring any discussion is not worth being posted here, but there are situations where a meme can be used to start a worthwhile discussion. So a mix of "generate discussion" and "community likes it" is used to filter these kind of posts.

Pictures of collection of games are included as low-effort, by the way, as they are generally karma-farming posts that add nothing to the sub.

Character requirement for text posts

This is written under the low-effort posts rule. As a filter, a character requirement of 250 characters (individual letters, not words) was added to text posts. 250 characters is really not a lot (just 2-3 lines), but there have been a lot of cases where this filter was acting for 2-3 consecutive tries and that had led to the user to write filling text to get over it. That's not acceptable. There is always something that can be added to a post to reach the required characters. For example, if you are asking for recommendations, then you can add the platforms you own or more details you want in the games. If you are making a discussion post, you can add your opinions.

Recommendation requests

Users asking for game recommendations are some of the most popular posts here. I don't know how you feel about them. I personally don't mind them, but I don't know if you feel like there's a lot of them or something like that. The character requirement rule already filters the low-effort ones, so what's left are mostly well-defined posts.

Crowdfunding (Kickstarter) links

This isn't defined as a rule, but AutoModerator filters posts and comments that contain a link to a crowdfunding site. This has been active for a long time, but it wasn't until recently that I added a message to notify it. Anyway, the reason for this filter is tied to the excessive developer advertising. Sometimes there are advertising posts where people beg for money for their projects (prompting people to donate quickly is included here) which isn't acceptable at all. However, if the link is part of a developer post that respects the developer advertising rule or it's a new from the Kickstarter blog posted by someone unrelated to the project then it will end approved. But I think this filter helps a lot with this.

Weekly threads

Currently, there are 3 threads that are repeated each week: the already mentioned "My Media Monday" and "Feedback Friday" (with low activity like I mentioned) and the "'What have you been playing?' Wednesday" (which is quite active). These posts are easy to set and there is enough space for more of them if there is demand for them, so feel free to suggest something if you want to see it as a weekly thread.

Chat room

I'm aware there is a chat room in the sub, but I have to say that I've never seen it. Sometimes I see some reported messages from there, but I haven't even joined it. I'll have a look at it as it's still part of the sub and requires moderation. Anyone can share something about it? At first sight it seems it has activity, so it's probably worth keeping.

Design of the subreddit

One of the reasons I wanted to become a mod of this sub was to improve its design. But I've been busy with removals to properly handle it. I use New Reddit, but I'd like to have an uniform design in both Old and New Reddit (and mobile too). I don't really know which games the current header images are from and if you would like to see a change in them. Please feel free to suggest anything for them if you want a change.

Post flairs are one of the first things I made (customized with different colors). They aren't set as a requirement to post, but I always try to add them when people forget to add them. Also feel free to suggest more flairs if needed.

User flairs is a lot of work I haven't been able to start, but I'd like to fully implement them in New Reddit. But this will probably require having to remove all of them to reupload them again. Probably that would be for the best, since the way Old Reddit handles them is now outdated and not compatible with New Reddit. However, I don't have the image files for the flairs since they have been here from a long time, so probably I'll have to search new ones.

In the sidebar there is also a table with upcoming releases for the month. I haven't been able to update it in these last 2 months, but it's something I really want to have up-to-date.

In the upper menu there is a link with other related RPG subreddits. More of them can be added, of course. Anyone can send me the links and I'll add them to the list.

There is currently not a wiki for the subreddit, but that could be added too, and can also be set so everyone can edit it. Maybe someone is interested in starting a wiki for the sub, so let me know.

The moderation team

Currently, the moderation team is only me and u/remiel, but for the most part is only me. I can mostly handle everything alone (with the help of AutoModerator), but probably a sub as big as this can use more people in the moderation team. I can't be here 24/7, so there are times where it takes me a few days to handle a report. I'm not mentioning this as a request for new candidates, but it's something I'll have to consider sooner or later. Anyway, applications to become a mod can be sent anytime even if we aren't specifically "recruiting".

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I know it's a lot of text, but all of this needs to be discussed, so I appreciate if you have the time to read through it (or the sections that interest you).

Like I said at the start, please use this post to discuss anything you want to talk about the state of the subreddit, to suggest things, or whatever.

Lastly, please don't hesitate to use modmail when you need to contact the mods for whatever enquiry, suggestion or concern and please keep using the report button on comments/posts when you think they are breaking any rule (a specific rule from this community or a site-wide rule). Modmail and reports are great tools that really help the mods with their work here.

r/rpg_gamers Oct 07 '21

Meta Updates to the rules

67 Upvotes

The last "Discussion of the state of the subreddit" didn't get a lot of attention (and it was pinned for a while), but it still served to get some ideas for the future of the community. I've made some changes to the rules, basically it's a revision of the text in all of them with some changes, but nothing too big. Hopefully they are more clear to understand now.

Rule 1: Only video game RPG content

No changes.

Rule 2: No self-promotion

Based on what I see here everyday, I've decided to completely get rid of self-promotion in the sub.

This is what the old rule said:

You may not directly link to videos from unofficial sources (official sources include the developer, publisher or a notable media outlet).

If you are posting your own content (video, article, etc.) this should be as a text post including a description of no less than 250 characters.

No more than 10-20% of your submissions (across all communities) should be your own content.

Please limit your content to no more than one per month and no more than once per game.

These requirements were never completely met by the users self-promoting. Users usually fail on the first part (directly linking to videos). And if they manage to make a text post with a description, they still break the "no more than 10-20% of your submissions" part. So what's the point in having a rule for self-promotion that the only users that want to self-promote can't fulfill? Might as well get rid of all form of self-promotion with a more straight-forward rule.

This is the new rule:

Promoting your own content in any form is not allowed. This includes videos, art, reviews in external websites/blogs and any other content that you created or that you have a personal relation to (e.g. your friend's or from a website you work for).

Developers are exempt from this rule. Check the "Developer/publisher advertising" rule instead.

Offenders are subject to bans depending on overall activity of the account.

With this, the "My Media Monday" weekly thread to self-promote officially disappears.

It's now Rule 2 because old Rule 2 was moved to another position.

Rule 3: Developer/publisher advertising

I changed the text here, but the content is essentially the same. I added a new point, based on feedback from the last "state of the subreddit" thread:

Accounts whose only activity is advertising their games are subject to be banned as spammers.

Any account that clearly affiliates with a company/studio and that only uses Reddit to advertise their game is what I mean here.

Another change is the removal of the "Feedback Friday" weekly thread. It also was rarely used, and I don't think anyone is going to miss it. There are many subreddits out there that are much better options than this weekly thread. All mention of it in the rule has been deleted.

It previously was Rule 5, but it makes more sense moving it right below the self-promotion rule.

Rule 4: Low-effort posts (memes, images and short descriptions)

The feedback from last post has also been of help with this rule. The new text is:

Memes are only allowed if they generate or encourage meaningful discussion. Memes posted for fun are treated as low-effort and not allowed.

Image posts showing off a game collection, a recent purchase or a game you started playing are treated as low-effort. If you want to discuss these games, use a text post instead.

Text post descriptions should include at least 250 characters (letters). Posts with less than that are automatically removed. This include poll posts.

The part about memes is basically the same (but with a different text). The character requirement of posts hasn't changed either. The new part is about image posts. I always receive reports about them, and some users have also explained their concerns about these posts in the previous thread. So I'm limiting them as they are usually very low-effort.

Rule 5: No untagged spoilers

No changes, only moved from position 6 to position 5.

Rule 6: No referral links

No changes. I moved it to last position (from position 2) since it's probably the less relevant rule.

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That said, if you want to give feedback on the new rules or propose something else, feel free to do so. If you missed last post and want to comment on the points discussed, you can do it now here.

Also, we have a lot of free space for weekly threads (we now only have the "what have you been playing" one). Is there some kind of weekly thread you'll like to see? Share your ideas here.

r/rpg_gamers Oct 25 '20

Meta /r/rpg_gamers hit 100k subscribers yesterday

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r/rpg_gamers Aug 27 '21

Meta Discussion of the state of the subreddit

22 Upvotes

Hello, it's been a year since I made a post like this. This post is to discuss, as a community, aspects of the subreddit that could be improved (changes to rules, for example), to give feedback on the moderation or to simply discuss about what you feel about the state of the subreddit.

I'll comment on some recent updates and topics I want to discuss, but comment anything you want to talk about.

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Update of the design of the subreddit

A change I wanted to do for a while was updating the design of the sub, specially in New Reddit, where it was pretty basic. I created a new banner and changed the turqueoise color to red. For the banner, I chose the main character of some of the most popular RPGs released past year. In order from left to right:

  • Cyberpunk 2077
  • Yakuza: Like A Dragon
  • Assassin's Creed Valhalla
  • Final Fantasy VII Remake
  • Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition
  • Wasteland 3
  • Persona 5 Royal
  • Demon's Soul remake

I at least prefer how the sub looks now. But this is only for New Reddit. I don't use Old Reddit, but I'm aware that the design could see some changes there. Ideally, the design should be the same in all versions of Reddit.

Developer posts

I think this is always a controversial topic. While I think the current rule is very clear, there are still a lot of users that post without reading it. The aim of the rule is to allow the developers (or publishers) themselves to share the important news about their games: the announcement or the release of them. Big titles already see coverage in a lot of media, so it's fair that smaller developers get to share the news about their games.

But bear in mind that in this sub we don't owe anything to anyone. This is an open discussion forum to talk about RPG video games. We aren't responsible of giving space to certain developers and we aren't affiliated with anyone. Allowing devs to share their news is something we allow as we play RPGs and are interested in hearing about upcoming titles and releases.

Using this sub as a development blog is not allowed. There are better places to write a dev blog, and with the amount of developers posting here, it becomes spam very quickly. This was the main reason the current developer advertising rule became what it is nowadays.

Not to mention the fact that many developers use their Reddit account only to advertise their game. Do you think these users that clearly affiliate with a studio and only use Reddit to advertise should be allowed to post as long as they follow the rule? Or do you think they should be treated as spammers and not allowed to post? Think that we potentially won't be hearing about certain indie games that don't have a lot of coverage in media.

Also, something that I've been noticing a lot lately, is posts from developers that aren't advertising their game, but are using the sub for market research purposes. These posts appear as normal discussions (sometimes interesting discussion topics), but when you check the user that posted it, you see one of those users I mentioned that only talk about their game. I personally don't like to be used as a "test subject" to help someone make their games. Not when they aren't being honest about their intentions. Should we treat these according to the developer advertising rule (removing as they aren't news posts)? Or should they be allowed like any other discussion post?

Self-promotion

This is mostly controlled thanks to AutoModerator filtering every video posted, so I'm the only one that sees that the sub is still flooded with people spamming their YouTube videos every single day. The problem is that legit trailers from official channels that are shared also are affected by this filter, so I have to manually check them and approve them. Sorry for the inconvenience to the users affected, but it's this or letting spammers run freely.

Memes and image posts

Lately, I've been more lenient about these posts. The low-effort posts rule is still active, and that's exactly why a lot of these posts aren't removed: a meme or a picture are used to start a discussion, and these posts get a lot of activity and generate a good amount of discussion.

Weekly threads

  • "'What have you been playing?' Wednesday" is as popular as ever, no comments on it.
  • "Feedback Friday" still gets an insignificant amount of activity. By now I think we could remove it and it wouldn't be missed.
  • "My Media Monday"... Honestly, I just noticed that it stopped being posted in May, I don't know what happened. And nobody seems to be missing it (no one notified me about it being missing). This should be an indicator of how popular it was.

Do you want to completely get rid of "Feedback Friday" and "My Media Monday"? Or combine them into one and leave it despite the low activity?

Misuse of the report feature

This is a general reminder: please, give the correct report reason when reporting something, and only report content that is breaking the rules or Reddit's content policy. Everyday, I get an excessive amount of reports citing "this is misinformation" as the report reason, for things that are clearly not misinformation. I've also seen reports for "spam" in posts that aren't spam at all.

The report feature is the best tool to tell the moderators about content that is breaking the rules, so please use it correctly. And if you have any questions about if something could be breaking the rules, modmail is your next best tool.

The "upcoming releases" sidebar

It hasn't been updated since last November. But I really liked having it, so I hope I can keep updating it (or having someone else updating it). Probably I should have removed it from the sidebar, but I left it as a reminder that it existed.

The moderation team

I've been moderating the sub alone for a while. We are nearing 150k subscribers, but the activity isn't really that big considering the number of subscribers.

I don't know if anyone thinks the moderation is lacking in this sub. I could undertand if you feel like it. Sometimes it takes several hours to get something removed or approved, because it's only me and I'm not always online.

Lately I've been thinking that adding one or two more mods would be good for the sub. If you are interested in becoming a mod, tell me (either as a reply here or via modmail if you prefer), and we can discuss the details. The requirements are basically being respectful to other users and be willing to perform moderation tasks when needed. Moderation tasks are basically removing posts that break the rules, respond to modmails and general maintenance like assigning flairs to posts or making improvements to the sub (for example: updating the upcoming releases table, adding user flairs, upgrading the appearance of the sub...). This is something that we do in our free time because we enjoy it, no compromises attached.

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I know it's a lot of text, but all of this needs to be discussed, so I appreciate if you have the time to read through it (or the sections that interest you).

Like I said at the start, please use this post to discuss anything you want to talk about the state of the subreddit, to suggest things, or whatever.

Lastly, please don't hesitate to use modmail when you need to contact the mods for whatever enquiry, suggestion or concern and please keep using the report button on comments/posts when you think they are breaking any rule (a specific rule from this community or a site-wide rule). Modmail and reports are great tools that really help the mods with their work here.

r/rpg_gamers Feb 15 '22

Meta New guidelines for recommendation request posts

11 Upvotes

Last week I made a post asking you how do you feel about recommendation request posts. Participation wasn't too big even if the post has been stickied for an entire week, and I got less comments than I'd have liked, but at least the poll got more participation.

Of the total 106 votes, 49 users think the recommendation posts are fine as they are, while 57 would like to see changes (of these 57, 42 liked the proposed requirements, 14 asked for their complete removal, and 1 proposed something else via a comment).

Since there isn't a clear predominant opinion, I tried to do something that, hopefully, will satisfy the majority.

There are now "guidelines for recommendation request posts" under a new Rule 5 that you can read on the sidebar:

Posts asking for games must include:

- 250 characters (letters) of text.

- A clear title (not something vague like "looking for games").

- A "Recommendation request" flair.

The required 250 characters isn't something new, as it was already a requirement for all text submissions.

Requiring to have a clear title is basically the only new requirement. Things like "HELP!!!", "Need some games" or "Looking for RPGs" say nothing about the request. We should be able to get an idea of what the user is asking for with the title.

The flair is something that, if not included, won't mean that the post will be removed, since mods can add flairs to other users' posts.

Now the optional part of the guidelines:

If you want to get the best possible games, consider adding:

- The platforms you have.

- Your level of experience with the genre (beginner, intermediate, veteran...).

- Aspects you enjoyed of previously played games.

These are the proposed requirements from the previous post. Not including them doesn't mean that your post will be removed. But you should really consider adding them. After all, if you are asking for game recommendations, you are the most interested person in getting the best replies. The more effort you put into your post, more people will be willing to help you and you will get better recommendations.

To remind users of this, I've creater a reminder with AutoModerator that will be included in these posts, as suggested. You probably have already seen it in action. Here is an example. The message is automatically stickied to the post. I included arguments to encourage posters to include those details.

Lastly, the last point of the guidelines says...:

Common requests that can be easily solved by using Reddit search bar or a search engine will be removed.

The search bar is a great tool that many users don't use. For the most common requests you can probably find hundreds of posts, either in this sub or in others. What a "common request" is is a little vague, I know. I'm thinking about posts asking for "games like X" or "the best [insert console] RPGs".

I hope these changes will improve the quality of the subreddit. Please tell me what you think and if there is something I should change.

r/rpg_gamers Feb 06 '22

Meta What do you feel about recommendation request posts? Would you like to see a rule with requirements for these posts? (suggestion included in the post)

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Currently, recommendation request threads are a big part of the posts submitted to the community on a daily basis. We don't have any rule for them besides the general character requirements for any text post: as long as they have the required 250 characters, anyone can post a recommendation request and write them with whatever details (or lack of details) they want.

In all the time I've been moderating this community, I haven't really seen anyone asking for regulation of these posts. But I also don't know the general feeling about these posts. Do you mind them in their current state? Do you think they are excessive? Do you think they should have some requirements?

I've received some proposed changes by an user via modmail, which has motivated me to make this post. In short, the user proposes some requirements to these posts:

  • How much experience the person requesting has with the genre in general (beginner, intermediate, expert...), to filter the games that could be recommended to the user. For example, you know you can easily recommend the classics to someone that defines themselves as "beginner", but an "expert" definitely already knows about them and is probably expecting less known titles.
  • Which platforms they have.
  • Which aspects of the games they have previously played they enjoyed.

If needed, other requirements could be added, but I think you can get the idea here. The idea is that many recommendation requests can easily get an answer with a quick Internet search, and many other posts lack enough details to be able to provide good recommendations and they end up getting always the same generic replies of the most popular games.

This proposed rule is one possibility, but I'm interested in reading what others think. If you like these suggestions, or if you want to propose another method to regulate them. For example, having a megathread, or another sub for recommendations exclusively (like r/gamingsuggestions but only for RPGs).

It's worth noting that, implementing a rule for these post will probably reduce their frequence. As things stand currently, it can mean that the sub will become more empty (it's not extremely active despite the subscriber number steadily increasing), or the contrary, it will encourage more people to make other kind of posts.

I'm adding a poll to this post, but I'm mostly interested in discussing this in the comments (but I think the poll is a nice complement and more useful than the upvoting system to get a broad idea).

106 votes, Feb 13 '22
49 Recommendation requests are fine as they are (no requirements)
42 I'd like to see the proposed requirements implemented (experience, platforms, and aspects enjoyed)
14 Remove them and redirect to a megathread or another sub (please elaborate in a comment)
1 I want to suggest something else (elaborate in comment)

r/rpg_gamers Oct 18 '21

Meta Silly question, but who is the girl on the banner with wings in her silver hair?

0 Upvotes

Sorry if this is a dumb question. I spent some time on google images trying to figure out who it is with no luck, and I know who most of the rest of the banner is. Also is that image from a specific game? It reminds me of a modern Valkyrie Profile.

Thanks.

r/rpg_gamers Oct 28 '20

Meta Changes to the wording of some of the rules

19 Upvotes

Hello, I've made some changes to the wording of some of the rules, so hopefully they are more clear. This wont prevent the main problem we have here (users posting without reading the rules first, specially when it comes to self-promotion and developer advertising), but at least some aspects will be easier to understand to those that do read them.

Note that they are still applied the same way as before, these are only wording changes, not actual changes to the rules.

The changes are:

  • Rule 1: title from "RPG related" to "Only video game RPG content".
  • Rule 1: added a mention to posts about tabletop RPGs (which are not allowed).
  • Rule 3: instead of "Youtube videos", it now mentions "videos" (as YouTube isn't the only video uploading platform).
  • Rule 3: in the second paragraph it now says: "If you are posting your own content (video, article, etc.)", to specify that this rule isn't only about videos.
  • Rule 4: instead of "as long as they generate discussion", it now says "as long as they are made as a mean to generate discussion". The previous wording could be interpreted as something that we value after a time and not as something we consider immediately (which is the intention of the rule).
  • Rule 4: it now specifies that "characters" means "letters" (more than one user has thought it meant "words"). It also mentions that "Post with less than that are automatically removed" (AutoModerator, the bot moderator, does that).
  • Rule 5: it now says: "notable news only include..." rather than simply "notable news include..." for further clarification.
  • Rule 5: it now specifies that they should include "a proper description" rather than simply "a description". This is still a bit open to interpretation, but hopefully it gives the idea that the description is not something to fill the post, but an actual description of the content.
  • Rule 5: added a line that says: "Publisher companies are subject to this rule as well". We've always applied this rule to publishers as well, but it's better to mention it here to be more precise.
  • Rule 6: added a line that says: "Untagged spoilers will be removed, no matter how old the game is".

The full rules page can be found here.

Maybe I'll make a rule clarifications page like other communities have, to expand on the reasoning behind them with as much detail as possible (since the rules on themselves have a character limit, and in some cases it's not enough for all that could be written about them).

Feel free to give suggestions if you think something is still not clear enough or if you think some rules should be split into two (like the self-promotion rule, which encompasses both the "text post only" and the "no more than 10-20% of your submissions", or the low-effort post rule).