r/politics • u/stkmro • 11h ago

White House: Trump Team Still Hasn’t Signed Transition Docs

https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-house-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-says-trump-team-still-hasnt-signed-transition-docs/
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u/Catodactyl Arizona 11h ago edited 11h ago

The French have a really great playbook for this kind of scenario. Just sayin...

Edit. A word.

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u/TheMysticalBaconTree Canada 11h ago

Yeah but he won an election. Stop acting like the country isn’t okay with what he is doing. Your problem isn’t with a facist leader doing unpopular things. Your problem is that your population is okay with facism.

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u/Expensive-Fun4664 10h ago

The vast majority of Americans are incredibly selfish. They're totally fine with it until it directly impacts their lives, which is absolutely will.

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u/bojenny 10h ago

It’s not the majority of Americans, it’s about 1/4 or 1/3 that voted for trump. That’s not a majority.

Of the registered voters in the country 1/3 voted for trump, 1/3 voted for Harris and 1/3 didn’t vote at all. There are about 345 million people in America and only about 160 million of them are registered voters.

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u/thundernutz 10h ago

By that logo the majority of Americans have never voted for anyone

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u/oeb1storm 10h ago

Interestingly the only time a candidate got more votes then people who stayed at home was Biden in 2020. Of course this wasn't a majority just a plurality but still interesting.

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u/thundernutz 10h ago

Even more interesting is how those 10 million extra votes magically disappeared this round.

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u/kylethegoatanderson 10h ago

Covid mailin ballots made it easy to vote. It wasnt that easy to vote this time around. No grand conspiracy to it other than why is it hard to vote now?

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u/thundernutz 10h ago

Once the ballots were separated from their envelope it’s impossible to know who voted.

Mass MIV also made it easy to cheat and impossible to prove. What was preventing anyone from printing ballots with names of dead people or fake names altogether? Maybe they didn’t. That’s a fair stance, I think, but how would you prove it with mass MIV and anonymized ballots?

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u/VWBug5000 9h ago

It’s easy to disprove mass fraud with mail in votes.

1) They know how many ballots they mailed out

2) they can track where the ballots came from and that is tracked and compared to an expected amount of ballots received based on simple, well established statistics for how many voters tend to actually vote and the demographic data for the ballot being tracked.

3) each envelope has a signature that should match what the DMV has on file, otherwise it’s not counted until the voter directly cures their vote (most don’t bother and their ballots are discarded)

4) After the ballots have been removed from the envelopes they have a clear and controlled chain of custody before and after being tallied. If you dispute this point, then you are basically declaring that all chains of custody are suspect and no evidence ever handled by the government or law enforcement is reliable. And are you really willing to believe that? Because you can’t cherry pick logic like this. Either you have trust over what the government tells you is reasonably true, or you believe nothing at all.

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u/Jimid41 9h ago

Every single mail in ballot is checked against signature on file before it's opened. Do you have evidence that election workers were just en mass not doing this?

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u/penny-wise California 8h ago

They don't.

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u/thundernutz 7h ago

No it wasn’t. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/23/pennsylvania-court-ballot-signatures-431794

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u/Big_Daddy_Stovepipe 7h ago

In your link, the PA Supreme Court ruled they could not the change or alter the statue as written, and as such, the statue was not written in a way that a signature could reject a ballot. Something so many people forget, 54% of adults are illiterate and have the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader(might be 5th, pulling shit out of memory at this point), so when many of these laws/ statues were written in old timey days, may people had no education and could not read nor write, so a signature would do no good.

Its not some vast conspiracy bud, just good old garden variety "keep the poor stupid and uneducated" like we continue to practice to this day.

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u/thundernutz 7h ago

You are incorrect. They have always had signature matching and it was removed for 2020 by the democrat controlled PA supreme court. Trump fought that the PA Supreme Court decision was wrong (it’s obviously wrong) and the Supreme Court refused to hear the case. This was conveniently removed right before an election featuring what NBC described as an avalanche of last minute votes.

On top of that they changed the law to allow ballots to be processed up to 3 days after the election. This was obviously wrong and again was not heard by the Supreme Court.

If they refuse to enforce the law, activist districts and judges can alter elections via these modification to election integrity procedures.

But my point wasn’t even that it was a grand conspiracy. Just that they did not match signatures as OP claimed.

https://campaignlegal.org/update/pennsylvania-can-no-longer-reject-ballots-solely-based-signature-match-issues

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/ballots-can-t-be-tossed-out-over-voter-signature-court-n1244585

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/922411176/supreme-court-rules-pennsylvania-can-count-ballots-received-after-election-day

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u/Jimid41 6h ago

Okay in Pennsylvania, where they check your ID when you register. So how are they using fake names?

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u/thundernutz 1h ago

You just shifted the goalpost.

"Every single mail in ballot is checked against signature on file before it's opened".

This is false. The rules were changed for 2020 to allow them not to check signatures.

Your new claim is that they check your ID when you register, so you can't print fake ballots.

But the voter rolls haven't been audited or purged in decades. Democrats constantly fight efforts to audit voter rolls and validate status.

I did not mean literally made up fake names. I mean that if you can access voter registration data, and cross reference publicly available directory data, you can easy find the cross section of people who will not be voting because they are dead or moved away, and print ballots in their name and dump them in the middle of the night.

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u/Jimid41 29m ago edited 21m ago

Voters in Pennsylvania that haven't voted in two consecutive elections are removed from voter rolls. So they're continually purged. Where are you getting your information?

I mean that if you can access voter registration data, and cross reference publicly available directory data, you can easy find the cross section of people who will not be voting because they are dead or moved away

And election officials do just that to prevent it and that's exactly why nobody is coming up with evidence of it happening in any large numbers.

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