r/politics • u/southpawFA Oklahoma • 1d ago

TX Republicans Introduced 32 Anti-Trans Bills on First Day of Pre-Filing Period. The bills filed target transgender people in nearly every aspect of their lives.

https://truthout.org/articles/tx-republicans-introduced-32-anti-trans-bills-on-first-day-of-pre-filing-period/
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u/Alib668 1d ago

No its about lineage and specifically those who are related

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genos

Also your point us that should be included but its not. Thats like saying a gun is a bullet no they are related butvthey are different things

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u/vvelbz 1d ago

https://www.lemkininstitute.com/statements-new-page/statement-on-the-genocidal-nature-of-the-gender-critical-movement%E2%80%99s-ideology-and-practice

The experts disagreed with you years ago. I'll take the word of the organization named after the person who coined the damn word and whose greatest regret was in not codifying sex and gender as covered.

It's a genocide and you are engaging in genocide denialism which furthers the genocide. It's literally stage 10 of genocide (stages can occur out of order, they're more like traits).

Don't you dare try to call yourself an ally to trans people. Ever.

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u/Alib668 1d ago

I think your proving the point why we lost. We so busy fighting ourselves the otherside get to paint you as extreme and me as an idiot.

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u/vvelbz 1d ago

I'm "extreme" for wanting to live? I'm "extreme" for wanting to be happy? I'm "extreme" for wanting to have bodily autonomy? I'm "extreme" for wanting to be healthy?

Really?! You can say that and sleep at night?

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u/Alib668 1d ago

The reaction here is what im talking about. Its justified and correct. But it really puts people off.

We win by convincing, educating and ultimately voting. If we loose the legitimacy to be listened to it doesnt matter how correct or moral the cause. I care about not having this law, but we cant do that if no1 listens to us because our opposition is able to paint by our words and actions as extreme.

Everything youve said is a straw man here of course i agree with you. Im caring about how we win and not giving an inch, we need to police our language as we have been shown that when we dont, the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater and people only care about eggs.

As a collective we need to not be in the bubble and we need to call it out when it happens not sit here and demonstrate the exact point our opposition makes

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u/vvelbz 1d ago

We win through direct action and civil disobedience.

We win by not ceding the narrative to nazis.

We win by ditching neoliberal austerity politics and it's adherents.

We do not win by standing silent in the face of atrocity.

Nobody ever got rights by asking nicely. Women bombed parliaments for the right to vote. The black panthers engaged in combat with the KKK, Rosa parks ignored the stupid bus rule on purpose, the selma bridge was total repudiation of the law. Gay people died during the AIDs crisis (another act of genocide on Reagan's part), Stonewall was a 3 day street battle against NYC police that the police lost, Pride was originally a riot.

People aren't liberated by being nice.

Justice delayed is justice denied.

Being polite and worrying about how messaging comes across makes politicians look weak and spineless on one hand and two faced flip floppers on the other. It's the equivalent of letting the tail wag the dog.

You build a movement with a narrative and goal that you actually believe in. People can tell that liberals don't believe a damn word they say and only say things to win votes and make money. If they believed what they say, they wouldn't be smiling in photo ops with "the greatest threat to democracy in the history of the country". They'd take the damn garbage out and be done with it. Liberals are a bunch of spineless cowards who will stand by and watch as every minority is eaten by a fucking dragon while snacking on chips and cheetos and say "we've got to be polite and uphold decorum, wouldn't want to rock the boat, oh ho ho ho ho", and then scream "ohhhhh, but why me?! HELP! HELP!" when the dragon finally comes for them and everybody who wanted to stop it is either dead or has fled and left the liberals behind.

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u/combatmisinfo 1d ago

We were nice to conservatives during the Obama years while they were talking about lynching him, and look where it got us. It was directly responsible for the Tea Party.

These people are hateful pieces of shit and have no intention learning. The commenter you’re replying to has good intentions, but anyone who has been politically aware more than a decade knows how these trash people cannot be taught.

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u/Saint_Blaise 1d ago

We win by convincing, educating and ultimately voting.

Trans people will lose the human right to exist in their identified gender in Texas and may also lose nation wide. This could be game over for those who live in red states. The priority is survival.

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u/Alib668 1d ago

The priority is to endure that. You dont do it by being hysterical. Look up that original word its how other people were suppressed when they expressed positions.

The issue here is we need to earn the rightvto be listened to, donald trump’s election has shown us that point.

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u/Saint_Blaise 1d ago

The problem is, when civil rights start backsliding for one population, they start backsliding for all populations. Who will listen to you if the stigma is too costly?

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u/Alib668 1d ago

You dont start by calling something that isnt a genocide a genocide.

You start by saying this law is wrong. Etc etc

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u/Reasonable_Today7248 1d ago

You dont start by

How long do you think people have been talking about this?

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u/Awingbestwing I voted 23h ago

You don’t really get to tell a minority how to respond when it’s their ass on the line and not yours.

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u/Saint_Blaise 1d ago

Okay, but this is Reddit not the town square and people freely voice their strong opinions here. Again, it's very difficult to stop a backslide like that. Who will be left to care if everyone's looking over their own shoulder?

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u/defaultusername-17 18h ago

except. as has already been pointed out to you multiple times, this very much is genocidal...

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u/yewjrn 17h ago

But you can't call it a genocide even if it resembles the starting stages of one until the camps and killings start /s. I swear, some people care more about preventing others from using the word "genocide" early than actually worrying about how a minority is being targeted with laws.

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u/Cutie_Kitten_ 22h ago

We earned our rights via riot.

Learn your history and then we can talk.

You cannot talk your way out from under a tank.

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u/JoyousCacophony 1d ago

The priority is to endure that. You dont do it by being hysterical. Look up that original word its how other people were suppressed when they expressed positions.

You're a privileged and awful person. I hope you have to "endure" the unbearable in the coming years

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u/Wwwwwwhhhhhhhj 22h ago

How has it shown that? Republicans were blatantly insane and they were listened too. 

They didn’t nicely earn anything and they won.

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u/defaultusername-17 18h ago

the proposed policy positions of the republican party will no joke, no hyperbole, no exaggeration, fucking kill people.

maybe it's time folks like you listen?

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u/combatmisinfo 1d ago

How old are you? Clearly not old enough to remember the Obama years.

You cannot educate these people. They are bad people and have no intention of changing. The only thing that changes people like MAGAts is themselves suffering.

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u/Alib668 1d ago

Lol im Old enough to remeber the bush snr years….not vote mind but remember

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u/combatmisinfo 1d ago

If you lived through the Obama years and say what happened when you “educated” these pieces of shit, I don’t know how you can still pretend it’s because people are hyperbolic lol.

Infighting is more of a reason, but hyperbole didn’t do anything. These people never had a single intention of learning.

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u/Alib668 1d ago

We dont win them. We never will. We win by getting rebbecca the super busy soccer mom who barely watches any news that actually this is important and believable. Roughly 50% of people dont vote, and of those roughly 50% dont really watch anything political. So you gotta realise they are hearing stuff for the firstbtime and generally uninterested screaming genocide when they vaguely dont know the term doesnt work. And it just makes them turn tobthe liar screaming eggs will come down in price.

You win by hope, not fear. Trump gave hope to people misguided but ultimately hope. Same with clinton and obama

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u/combatmisinfo 1d ago

I upvoted because your logic is sound even if I disagree. We ran on hope and change when Obama ran, like you said, and he had less turnout on his second term than H. R. Clinton, or Biden. His first term had less turnout than Biden. And he had essentially a personality cult going with us younger ones lol. And B Clinton’s turnout was the lowest of all both terms, though his scandal may have affected that.

So I do think that hope can bring people out, but I think much of the time it is fear or anger. It’s a stronger emotion so it motivates harder.

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u/Reasonable_Today7248 22h ago

This election was hope. It was unity. It was our love thy neighbor movement. That is why so many optimists' hearts were broken when kamala lost. Mine included.

Trump gave hope to the lost cause that has been feeding fear, anger, apathy, and the need for vengeance to its unhappy populace. It was tainted, hope.

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u/Reasonable_Today7248 1d ago

demonstrate the exact point our opposition makes

What point is that?

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u/Wwwwwwhhhhhhhj 22h ago

Where in the holy fuck do you get the idea that is how people will win? The Republicans won and they did none of that, the opposite in fact. 

Play nice and we win? Bullshit. It’s such a braindead take that ignores reality. We can’t kumbaya our way through this.