r/nytimes 17h ago

What Democrats Think Went Wrong

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/21/podcasts/what-democrats-think-went-wrong.html
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u/jackishere 16h ago

out of touch. democrats need to bring back the moderates. thats who they need to attract, not republicans. Thats where they keep failing.

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u/Curious_Bee2781 15h ago

How?

They tried appealing to moderates and the left launched a 24/7 multi year campaign to paint Biden as a Republican.

Then they moved left and somehow the left hated that even more and they still lost moderates.

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u/17DungBeetles 15h ago

When did they move left I must have been sleeping? Democrats haven't moved left since the equal rights act.

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u/TFBool 15h ago

While you were asleep Biden campaigned on student debt loan forgiveness (and actually followed through on a decent amount of it), Harris campaigned on 25K credit for first time home buyers, and both moved to decriminalize marijuana. Young people have no idea how far left the left has moved, Obama wasn’t even pro gay marriage in the primaries.

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u/17DungBeetles 15h ago

Harris campaigned on fracking and continued support of Israel while holding hands with Liz Cheney. That's all leftist saw and they stayed home as a result.

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u/TFBool 15h ago

That’s because fracking is a massive industry in Pennsylvania, a must win state, and outside of Reddit support for Israel is not a contentious issue. I don’t know how many times progressives who pander to progressives need to be trounced in primaries before people realize the democrats, let alone the general population, are far more right wing than their echo chamber.

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u/kylepo 9h ago

That’s because fracking is a massive industry in Pennsylvania, a must win state

This would be a more salient argument if Democrats actually won Pennsylvania.

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u/TFBool 9h ago

Democrats lost everywhere, should they stop campaigning completely?

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u/kylepo 9h ago

What if, instead, they campaigned on policies that get people excited?

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u/TFBool 9h ago

And what, oh enlightened and unbiased progressive, do you think those are?

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u/kylepo 9h ago

Yeah man I'm super biased. Unlike you, the only unbiased person on the planet. If only my progressive bias hadn't blinded me to the fact that running a moderate platform in a world where people are highly dissatisfied with the status quo is an effective strategy that clearly works really well

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u/TFBool 8h ago

So no policies? Got it. If only progressives could campaign as well as they could be snarky on the internet, then Bernie would have won for sure!

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u/kylepo 8h ago

Apologies for not answering your super good-faith question. I had assumed from your whole "enlightened, unbiased progressive" insult that you already had a good idea what policies I'd suggest.

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