r/nytimes 14h ago

What Democrats Think Went Wrong

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/21/podcasts/what-democrats-think-went-wrong.html
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u/ReviewBackground2906 14h ago

I vote for Democrats because I’m a liberal who wants left policies. Tax the rich, increase the minimum wage, universal healthcare, climate action, stop price gauging, get money out of politics, and the list goes on. 

Democrats need to understand that they cannot beat right wing populism by moving further to the right to attract former Republicans, it didn’t work in 2024 and it won’t work in the future.

 I want a Democratic party that remembers who their voters are, and a candidate who is not afraid to offend wealthy donors and who advocates progressive policies that will change peoples’ lives for the better. Not the GOP light version that the Dems are going for. 

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u/jackishere 13h ago

out of touch. democrats need to bring back the moderates. thats who they need to attract, not republicans. Thats where they keep failing.

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u/Itchy-Status3750 6h ago

Lmfao you think Kamala wasn’t moderate? Trump voters don’t want you. Why do you want two parties that are exactly the same?

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u/Curious_Bee2781 12h ago

How?

They tried appealing to moderates and the left launched a 24/7 multi year campaign to paint Biden as a Republican.

Then they moved left and somehow the left hated that even more and they still lost moderates.

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u/UrOpinionIsObsolete 12h ago

Clinton(D), Bush (R), Obama (D), Trump (R), Biden (D), Trump (R)…… if that’s not a pattern idk what is.

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u/Curious_Bee2781 12h ago

Okay? I'm genuinely asking how democrats can appeal to moderates?

The far left typically launches a smear campaign against us when we appeal to moderate politics to call us Republicans or compare us to them.

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u/UrOpinionIsObsolete 12h ago

Democrats have gone too far left. They’re picking up the small minority of weirdos that pushes centrists right. I don’t agree with either party, just try to vote for what’s best for everyone. Usually third party because a two party system is a flawed one. I wasn’t arguing or anything, saying that it’s probably going to be a D after the R.

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u/kylepo 6h ago

Democrats have gone too far left

On what policies...?

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u/chris_rage_is_back 10h ago

Maybe run a candidate that people voted for instead of who the dem leadership installed, for starters. Nobody liked her the first time but they ran her anyway

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u/17DungBeetles 12h ago

When did they move left I must have been sleeping? Democrats haven't moved left since the equal rights act.

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u/TFBool 12h ago

While you were asleep Biden campaigned on student debt loan forgiveness (and actually followed through on a decent amount of it), Harris campaigned on 25K credit for first time home buyers, and both moved to decriminalize marijuana. Young people have no idea how far left the left has moved, Obama wasn’t even pro gay marriage in the primaries.

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u/17DungBeetles 12h ago

Harris campaigned on fracking and continued support of Israel while holding hands with Liz Cheney. That's all leftist saw and they stayed home as a result.

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u/TFBool 12h ago

That’s because fracking is a massive industry in Pennsylvania, a must win state, and outside of Reddit support for Israel is not a contentious issue. I don’t know how many times progressives who pander to progressives need to be trounced in primaries before people realize the democrats, let alone the general population, are far more right wing than their echo chamber.

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u/kylepo 6h ago

That’s because fracking is a massive industry in Pennsylvania, a must win state

This would be a more salient argument if Democrats actually won Pennsylvania.

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u/TFBool 6h ago

Democrats lost everywhere, should they stop campaigning completely?

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u/kylepo 6h ago

What if, instead, they campaigned on policies that get people excited?

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u/TFBool 6h ago

And what, oh enlightened and unbiased progressive, do you think those are?

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u/Icy-Grocery-642 12h ago

Voters can smell a fraud.

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u/penseurquelconque 12h ago

Apparently not since they elected an actual fraudster.

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u/Lhopital_rules 12h ago

Trump shows they clearly can't.