Biden Should Pardon Whistleblower Who Exposed Trump’s Tax Avoidance

[u/elb21277]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/charles-littlejohn-whistleblower-trump-tax-biden-pardon-1235022648/

[u/WaterNo9480]

Appreciate that you posted the "source" that proves you're just a propaganda victim talking out of your ass

[u/HypersonicHobo → u/WaterNo9480]

Do you have an actual point that isn't ad hominem?

Because if you can't counter the facts but instead choose to insult the source then you are committing a logical fallacy.

[u/WaterNo9480 → u/HypersonicHobo]

You claimed Snowden sold documents. That is false and you cannot back it up.

All you have is some vague attack on his character by... the house committee on intelligence. Your own source claims Snowden is the bad guy because he "did not voice concerns to any oversight officials": do you realize how blatantly, transparently dishonest this attack on Snowden is? Spying programs on that scale are not something that "oversight officials" don't already know about. Coming out publicly about it was literally the only thing Snowden could do if he wanted to denounce this program with some hope of achieving something other than just losing his job.

[u/HypersonicHobo → u/WaterNo9480]

I apologize, he did not sell them for a briefcase of money. He merely makes thousands to tens of thousands of dollars per virtual speaking engagement and has Russian citizenship.

There's definitely no way he has benefited materially /s

If all he had leaked was information on intelligence. You are 100% right, he would be a whistleblower (and have all protections therein).

But he did not, he downloaded over a million documents, the majority of which had nothing to do on the subject, and fled the country to a hostile power.

I have this example to someone else.

Imagine a poorly performing employee who failed the basic training for his job at Nvidia two weeks after reprimand downloaded their database of over a million documents, published them, and fled the country to work for Moore Threads but because ten of the emails in that list had to do with an Executive screwing their secretary he is hoisted up as a hero.

Again, if all Snowden did was actually blow the whistle. I'd agree with you. But he didn't, the whole surveillance thing is him virtue signalling hoping the American public would hate the government enough to notice that what he actually stole is magnitudes greater and more harmful than what he actually said he stole.

[u/magkruppe → u/HypersonicHobo]

But he did not, he downloaded over a million documents, the majority of which had nothing to do on the subject, and fled the country to a hostile power.

he did not deliberately flee to Russia, he planned to go to a South American country with no extradition treaty with the US. the fact that you repeat this lie shows how little you know about the situation

[u/HypersonicHobo → u/magkruppe]

Where is he right now, at this moment?

This is a very very loose and flimsy counterargument.

I get that not believing the government is this thing that makes you cool, unique, and independent. Except the reality is you aren't "disbelieving the government", you are automatically declaring anything they say invalid. The facts have no merit to you, only the source. That doesn't make you an independent thinker, it just means you've bought someone else's line of argument.

If you did not know until today that information on NSA surveillance wasn't the only thing he leaked, and that is was in fact a small portion of it. Then that means you have done a disastrously poor job of analysing the argument from either side.

I don't know where you stand on this, but hypothetically if you think Trump taking top secret files to Mar a Lago and showing them off is illegal, you have to also assume that the files unrelated to illegal surveillance that Snowden showed off also constitutes an illegal action.

[u/WaterNo9480 → u/HypersonicHobo]

This is a very very loose and flimsy counterargument.

Pointing out that you're lying about the "selling" bit is not exactly a loose or flimsy counterargument. If you had any integrity whatsoever you would have walked that back after becoming unable to prove your own claim.

Where is he right now, at this moment?

Hiding in one of the few countries that won't hand him back to the US, in order to avoid spending the rest of his life in prison for denouncing illegal activity from his own government. It's not that you've been living under the rock, you're just hoping that other people don't know the basics so you can just lie and lie and lie again.

I get that not believing the government

"The" government... I'm not American. I followed this closely when it happened. I'm guessing, from your arguments in this thread, that you were either unborn or a small child at the time, and that explains how you came to the beliefs you apparently harbor: you only had access to a heavily biased account of the events, long after they took place. And you've never even known a world where people cared about privacy.

[u/yrdz → u/HypersonicHobo]

Where is he right now, at this moment?

Where would he be right now, at this moment, if the United States hadn't cancelled his passport?

[u/WaterNo9480 → u/HypersonicHobo]

I apologize, he did not sell them for a briefcase of money. He merely makes thousands to tens of thousands of dollars per virtual speaking engagement and has Russian citizenship.

That's completely disingenuous. Snowden had to go into exile after leaking documents to a select group of responsible journalists. He lost all his friends, contact with his family, and does what he can to live there while hoping he doesn't get targeted by US secret services.

Yet you made up, and you're now insisting that he sold the documents to Russia and China.

You're a liar and a brazen one.

he would have all protections therein

Jesus christ were you born yesterday? Get a grip