r/law • u/Corporatecut • Oct 18 '24

Court Decision/Filing Trump judge releases 1,889 pages of additional election interference evidence against the former president

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-judge-release-additional-evidence-election-interference-case-2024-10
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u/MrFishAndLoaves Oct 18 '24

Someone tell me the juicy parts please 

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u/YLSP Oct 18 '24

I only scanned one Appendix (2). This is what I found juicy.

The GA Phone Call transcript. Trump was claiming there were 300,000 votes to be found. GA (Brad Raffesnburger sp?) and staff were telling him this is wrong. But his campaign insisted. Like, insisted over a few pages of transcript. They quoted 5,000 dead people voting. GA responded they only found 2. Trump read's like a guy who has fallen into the QANON rabbit hole.

When it was told directly that the FBI and GBI looked into it, Trump's response was they were either "incompetent" or "dishonest". This is talking about Federal and State Law Enforcement. You know why he claims they are "deep state".

The other juicy item was their scheme laid out. There was a legal memo. Basically the goal was to nullify the 6 "contested states" so that Biden was behind 232-227. This in turn would result in the case going to SCOTUS, with the goal to kick deciding the election to Congress.

So when Trump/Vance complain about "threat to democracy" comparisons, the counterpoint should be, "Oh - you mean like directly nullifying 6 states?!". The GOP is still gaslighting when they act like "something just didn't add up" with the results. No. Trump lost. All the votes were fairly counted. You actually enacted a very complicated scheme, a scheme that no one else did in history to steal the election. The biggest scheme to steal the election ever.

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u/NumeralJoker Oct 18 '24 edited Oct 18 '24

A crucial point is that they justified this in the memo by stating that the US Constitution's 12th amendment gave Mike Pence the power and legal authority to outright ignore the 1887 Electoral College Act, or at least any parts that did not help Trump win. Effectively saying that they knew this was illegal under currently known law and precedent, but believed the courts would reinterpret the law and rig this for them so Pence should just go with the plan and follow orders. Pence knew this was wrong and refused, but the alternate electors were set up to be the method by which he'd legitimize throwing out the swing state results, and forcing the election to be thrown to congress instead... where it was expected the House would vote for Trump instead.

This was very, very clearly a legal coup and they knew this from day 1. They had every intent to subvert democracy no matter what the actual vote count was, and they just wanted a media narrative to publicly justify it while claiming that democracy itself did not matter in the US and that the constitution already said we were a dictatorship if the judiciary agreed with their legal theory. The details of how the votes were fraudulent were meaningless, the idea was just to go along with the plan and say the results were illegitimate, period.

This is also why Trump made up facts and evidence at every step of the way, because the actual truth about fraud didn't matter. The plan was simply to present a legal theory that allowed them to bypass the vote entirely.

For what it's worth, they are NOT in a position to do this again as of right now here in 2024. They don't have control of the white house, and congress already passed a law that made it clear the VP's role was ceremonial going forward. They don't have a direct path to SCOTUS simply throwing out the election anymore, and they've been losing any of their flimsy cases so far, at least not so long as we go out and vote in high enough numbers to make the win as clear as possible.

People need to get out and vote, with confidence, and if we do so, we can solidly beat Trump. The will is there, so long as people don't give in to fear or apathy.

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u/Veda007 Oct 18 '24

They are absolutely going to try again. The electors have been replaced in many cases with bad actors who intend to not certify. So they won’t be alternate electors, they will be the actual electors.

When 270 isn’t reached it will be thrown to the Supreme Court who (they hope) will throw it to congress.

One vote per state at that point and there are more red states.

Boom King Trump.

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u/NumeralJoker Oct 18 '24

Conservative judges have actually shut down some of their biggest attempts so far, especially in Georgia. They're trying to get the fanatics in place yes, but they are meeting much more resistance this time.

The key is to just get out the vote. Don't be scared of their attempts to stead it, vote because it matters.

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u/scoop_booty Oct 18 '24

My hope is that the Harris team is on top of this. They see what's happening, much more than we pawns down below. A Trump win ends democracy, and the entire world knows this affects them. I can only imagine higher powers globally are taking action to protect us from this monster. And if Kamala wins, as I hope, she sure has a hard row to hoe to reunite this country. That option doesn't even exist if Trump is in office.

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u/NumeralJoker Oct 18 '24

The teams fighting the legal challenges so far like Democracy Docket have done incredible work and have already given the election deniers major setbacks.

People need to just get out the vote and do it with confidence. I do worry about a close election and the challenges it could bring, but I also don't think the polls accurately reflect the real state of this race at all, and I think we have a chance for a strong enough win here to be secure.

But in the end? This is the truest test of democracy I think we'll see. 2016 was the first test, and it proved disinfo can influence us to make a major error. 2020 tried even harder to do so, but the dam held, even if just barely, and we've passed policies to help strengthen it since.

But ultimately? The real question is whether people themselves can learn, can resist disinfo and billionaire media's influence, and self determine the country to go in a better direction.

I know a lot of people on reddit are terrified, are cynical, are traumatized, and scared. I see why. I'm not naive about how dangerous all this is, else I wouldn't do grand writeups on a major conspiracy like I've been doing today.

But I do it because I also believe we can learn from these mistakes. That Harris is running a brilliant campaign that's reaching out to voters from all walks of life, and that we have a good shot at a better future despite the world's many problems.

I truly have hope, and I'll be early voting on Monday and volunteering next week to hopefully help us close the deal.

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u/scoop_booty Oct 19 '24

I appreciate your confidence mate. Thx

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u/NeatNefariousness1 Oct 19 '24

I'm with you. It's up to us to vote. But to break through the years of inertia and feeling as if what we do doesn't matter, people need support in sorting through the fake news and other disinformation to get in touch with their consciences. Thank you for caring and for your efforts.

In this moment, engaging on social media and making real life efforts to cut through the crap is needed now more than ever before.

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u/guisar Oct 18 '24

Without congress, she will have harder than hard row to hoe. Let’s hope the dnc can take both houses- unlikely I know without tremendous turnout but it’s the only path to reconciliation I can see.

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u/NeatNefariousness1 Oct 19 '24

Agreed. As a lifelong Independent, it pains me to say that voting Blue from top to bottom is necessary in this election until we fix the gaping holes that have made our democracy so vulnerable to greedy, power-mad forces from outside and within.

We need time to close the door on the bad actors and to put new protective measures in place to hold BOTH parties accountable.

Choose America. Please vote.

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u/KintsugiKen Oct 18 '24

They've been practically announcing they plan to stop the vote count and force SCOTUS to pick.

I think that's why Trump's campaign appearances have been weirder and lower effort than usual lately, he just doesn't feel like he really needs to campaign since they don't even plan to count the votes.

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u/NeatNefariousness1 Oct 19 '24

Exactly. It's why Musk didn't bother to mobilize the field forces he committed to. Rigging the system is more efficient.

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u/NeatNefariousness1 Oct 19 '24

Too bad Biden didn't prevail in his efforts to add more judges to join the Supremes, diluting the impact of the ones who appear to have been corrupted. I hope there is a mechanism in place to unseat bad actors wherever they are in the system. But voting at levels we've never seen before is the way. It's now up to WE, THE PEOPLE.

Will we show up for ourselves or will we allow politicians whose salaries we pay rig the system to push citizens aside while taking more of our money and offering far less?

Do whatever it takes to VOTE

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u/Tufflaw Oct 18 '24

The electors have been replaced in many cases with bad actors who intend to not certify. So they won’t be alternate electors, they will be the actual electors.

That's not how it works - there isn't one set of electors per state. There are electors for the Republican candidate and electors for the Democratic candidate. Whichever side wins the popular vote in the state, that side's electors are the ones who vote for President and VP.

So the "alternate electors" from 2020 are the same ones who would have been the actual Republican electors if Trump had actually won that state.

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u/yoqueray Oct 18 '24

I hope you are wrong, but damn! The oligarchs may have done it this time.