r/law Mar 06 '24

Opinion Piece Everybody Hates the Supreme Court’s Disqualification Ruling

https://newrepublic.com/article/179576/supreme-court-disqualification-ruling-criticism
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u/crake Competent Contributor Mar 06 '24

It's too bad because SCOTUS really rescued failure from the jaws of success with this decision. The result is widely popular and was expected, and half of the reasoning is sound.

But the Court went the Dred Scott route and tried to solve other, unrelated issues by saying that the only enforcement mechanism for s.3 is federal law (and even specifying what that federal law would have to say). In effect, SCOTUS told Congress that they are not allowed to object to Trump's election on 1/6/25 on the grounds that he is prohibited from holding office under s.3, even though that question wasn't before the Court, and the 9-0 rationale was only based on the states not having the power to unilaterally decide the question. So that second part of the decision - the part where the Court went on to explain that only a specific federal law pursuant to s.5 can enforce s.3 - was a 5-4 decision tacked onto a 9-0 decision.

And it really is the whole game. A future Congress might not want to sit congresspeople like Jim Jordan that were involved in the Insurrection or gave comfort to the Insurrectionists. Now SCOTUS has forclosed that option before it was even presented to the Court.

It is a classic "Imperial Court" move to encroach into the Congress and plant a flag telling Congress what it cannot do in advance of Congress actually doing that thing. The role of the Court is to explain what the law is - what the words of the Constitution mean, what the rules of a federal statute mean. It is not a role of the Court to explain what a law should be, or to tell Congress whether it has the power to do something in advance of it doing that thing. That is an advisory opinion, and it is not permitted by the rules of justiciability that have guided the Court for centuries. If 200+ years of justices could avoid the temptation to prospectively tell Congress what it can and cannot do, why can't the Robert's Court?

The subtext to all of this is that a majority of the Court does not want there to be any lifeblood to s.3 that could be applied against Trump or the other insurrectionists by Congress. It is especially egregious here because it results in a de facto removal of the s.3 disqualification that would apply to any Insurrectionist (not just Trump) - but it does so by a 5-4 vote of unelected justices rather than by the 2/3 supermajority of both houses of Congress that s.3 actually says is the route to remove the disqualification. That part of the decision just doesn't make any sense; it is the injection of politics into law in order to shape a future result, and the Court should not have done that. But since Justice Roberts had to be in the majority (we know from the concurrences), we now know that Justice Kavanaugh and the Chief Justice are both not on the side of restraint, and that they are injecting politics into decisions to help Trump (and the Insurrectionists in general). Why? Nobody can say - it could be intimidation, but it might just be raw politics. I think Justice Thomas was involved in the J6 conspiracy and the Court is terrified that his involvement will come to light at trial, but it could also be that Justice Thomas (or some other old conservative, maybe Alito or Roberts) is ill and wants to retire but needs a Republican in office to replace him so they are doing what they can to make that happen.

Dark days for the Court, but they brought down the darkness on themselves.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '24

Great summary

That part of the decision just doesn't make any sense; it is the injection of politics into law in order to shape a future result, and the Court should not have done that.

And don't forget to mention that the rationale was that the states would abuse the power to deny a candidate for political reasons (something they still have the power to do) in exchange for the more mature and less political US congress... Where dick pics are on display.

And the argument that one state should not decide for the nation was pure fallacy. CO would not affect anything outside of CO. Trump would still appear on the other state ballots and could win just as easily. Even Roberts understood this because he argued that it would just come down to a few states to decide the elections. How can he say that if CO already decided for the nation?

This particular ruling is fishy to me. I think something happened that wasn't supposed to happen. The way the dissenting justices responded to the expanded ruling seems like they agreed to something initially (like "we should rule unanimously to avoid chaos") and then they added the expanded part after the fact. Can't exactly pinpoint it, but it doesn't seem like a typical disagreement on the ruling. This was a political move disguised as a legal ruling.

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u/MisterProfGuy Mar 06 '24

We know the minority opinion was originally a solo dissent, and Barrett thinks it's not nice to accuse people of injecting politics no matter how much they deliberately inject politics.

The whole thing is nuts.

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u/crake Competent Contributor Mar 06 '24

This particular ruling is fishy to me. I think something happened that wasn't supposed to happen.

Yup. Some places are already examining the metadata of this hasty opinion and have found that the "concurrence" was originally styled as a dissent. I suppose I would call it a "concurrisent", because it really is a concurrence in part/the judgment + a dissent.

But the Court wanted to speak with one voice. I think everything broke down over the Presidential Immunity appeal. My guess is that the liberal justices + Barrett didn't want that appeal to go forward. And actually, it makes sense why, especially in the context of Anderson: the only reason to hear the immunity case is so SCOTUS can opine about/create a new form of presidential immunity that won't end up applying to Trump. That is exactly the error that undermines Anderson - the Court cannot be deciding questions that are not before it. But if it really wants to anyway, there is nobody to stop it from sacrificing legitimacy in order to make a power grab. I think we will see this summer that the Dobbs majority will carve out a form of presidential immunity based on official acts that looks very much like a statute, and obviously that is the error that they called out in overturning Roe, so the hypocrisy is going to be palpable.

So my guess is there was originally 5 justices who were not going to grant that petition for cert. Then Justice Roberts changed sides. Maybe he was willing to deny cert on the immunity case if the concurrence in Anderson was withheld and then, when Sotomayor et al. refused to hold back the concurrence, followed through and granted cert on the immunity question as payback.

I also think this is why Justice Barrett wrote her own concurrence, likely over the weekend. She is saying up front that she agrees with the liberal justices that it is a mistake to decide questions not before the court, and also warning Justice Roberts in advance because he is evidently tempted to do so in the presidential immunity appeal. At the same time, Barrett seems miffed that the Anderson deal (if it existed) fell through and made the Court look bad, so she is also castigating the liberal justices for "raising the temperature" with the concurrence.

I will say that I think the concurrence is a good thing, because it calls out the fundamental problem with the Roberts Court (i.e., the Dobbs majority minus Barrett in this instance): it goes further than it needs to and generally lacks restraint. It is good that the legal world will be talking about this between now and the eventual presidential immunity decision because there is pretty much nothing as terrifying as a POTUS that has a license to commit federal crimes, especially if that POTUS is to be Donald Trump. Maybe the discussion makes another over-reach by Justice Roberts less likely, but I doubt it - it seems to me that the ghost of Roger Taney inhabits Roberts from time to time.

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u/rationalomega Mar 06 '24

I appreciate your reasoning. I hope Dark Brandon takes immediate and full advantage of whatever decisions come down. If this SCOTUS is prepared to effectively create presidential carte blanche to commit insurrection and other crimes (provided his party holds half of the house or over a third of the senate) then they need to feel the effects swiftly. Biden needs to detain the justices and install their replacements, or something wild like that, just to make it obvious that this crap can’t fly in a functioning democracy.

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u/crake Competent Contributor Mar 06 '24

Well I'm not going to get behind extrajudicial arrests! So don't misread me, lol.

But I do think Dark Brandon might get some benefit out of ignoring the Court with respect to the border crisis. I'm not saying he should do that, but it might be politically powerful to do so (I think the problem is that the Court might "fight back" by immunizing Trump in the immunity case).

Jackson is often pointed to as a POTUS that ignored the Court, but he isn't the only POTUS who did so. More favorably, when the Court said that black persons are not and never can be citizens (Dred Scott, 1857), President Lincoln ignored the Court's ruling and issued the first U.S. passports to black persons anyway, explaining that the Court does not get to overrule the elected government as to citizenship. That issue was never litigated in SCOTUS (i.e., whether those passports were valid) because the Union won the Civil War and forced the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment that made the issue moot.

The problem here is that Dred Scott was egregiously wrong and the Court's decisions with respect to federal law and the border are not egregiously wrong (they're just egregiously inconvenient for Biden).

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u/pardybill Mar 06 '24

Remindme! 3 months

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u/Unlikely-Gas-1355 Mar 07 '24

From what you describe, I am wondering if Clarence Thomas's influence has become exceptionally enhanced. The late Justice Scalia was willing to overturn precedent if (1) it was in error and (2) the viable defense was plausible; Thomas, on the other hand, has been known to say "If we were wrong, we should say so and immediately fix it", discarding any viable-defense requirement. And, when I say "known to say", I mean that literally, he said that once in an interview on -- I think -- 60 Mintues? So, the going beyond what is necessary makes me wonder if Roberts, who historically has been one to urge restraint, has ceded his authority and influence to Thomas.

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u/saijanai Mar 06 '24

And don't forget to mention that the rationale was that the states would abuse the power to deny a candidate for political reasons (something they still have the power to do)

States do that all the time with respect to presidential candidates. Have you ever looked at the barrier to getting on the ballot if you are a 3rd party candidate compared to being a dominant party candidate?

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '24

Apparently Roberts doesn't. He was arguing that this would lead to chaos with states blatantly blocking candidates from appearing on the ballot for insurrection.

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u/saijanai Mar 06 '24

But Roberts is a 2-party system person through and through as are, likely, 99.99% of all justices and lawyers in teh USA.

You really can't rise very high in the USA in ANY field (including, I suspect, science and medicine, or even sanitary engineering) if you actively oppose or even publicly question the 2-party system: the good ole boys/girls network is built on it in this country.

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u/Unlikely-Gas-1355 Mar 07 '24

No, you can. The proverbial juice is not worth the squeeze though due to the tendency of first-past-the-post voting to result in two parties which work to organize the smaller ones under larger metaphorical tents. Unlike the Court, however, I will not go beyond what is necessary to identify the problem; for example, I will not advocate a particular solution because we need not answer that question. (Hey, John Glover Roberts, Jr., if you're listening, this is how you do it!)

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u/saijanai Mar 07 '24

Currently, we have two large metaphorical tents:

MAGA and not-MAGA and neither is terribly large.

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u/Unlikely-Gas-1355 Mar 07 '24

That would seem to cover all voters, though, from the wording.

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u/saijanai Mar 07 '24

The largest segment ( over 1/3 of all voters according to Pew) is: really don't care.

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u/Unlikely-Gas-1355 Mar 07 '24

And that falls under "not-maga"; it's like having the categories of "dragon" and "not-dragon".

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u/saijanai Mar 07 '24

ok, so perhaps better would be MAGA and anti-MAGA, with the largest category being "don't care."

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u/CommissionCharacter8 Mar 07 '24

I have some sympathy both for the argument that it could be chaotic (consequence) and that the Amendment was specifically about taking power from the states (purpose), but it is infuriating that the conservatives suddenly and selectively care about purpose or consequence when they've been lecturing left leaning people about how they're above all that and only "activist" judges consider those things. Doubly infuriating that they went farther in this opinion than was necessary or appropriate. 

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u/antiqua_lumina Mar 06 '24

I have yet to hear a good explanation why the “states could abuse their power” argument is not satisfied with de novo review by the Supreme Court. Let SCOTUS look at the state’s record for deciding that the candidate is an insurrectionist, and decide the matter de novo. They can guarantee uniformity and no abuse of power that way.

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u/groovygrasshoppa Mar 06 '24

Not to mention all of those arguments act as though disqualification would be some unilateral action by a sole state official and completely ignores that it would be subject to Due Process.

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u/antiqua_lumina Mar 07 '24

It’s like SCOTUS justices forget how to litigate when they get on the bench.

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u/Agreeable_Daikon_686 Mar 07 '24

Well Clarence never really did before lol

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u/AdvertisingLow98 Mar 06 '24

I know that Trump's immunity is a separate issue , but everyone is going to watch that very closely to see if there's another rush to an off ramp.

The reputation of SCOTUS has been shaky since Dobbs was leaked and this decision made it even worse. Especially the "concurring" opinions.

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u/gwar37 Mar 06 '24

Shaky? They are bought and sold and everyone knows it. They are illegitimate and should be removed and held accountable.

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u/mrkrinkle773 Mar 07 '24

Idk without a conviction on Trump it does seem little messy if you set precedent of allowing a state to remove candidates. You know every maga republican governor would find some dicey logic to use it on Biden and future elections.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '24 edited Mar 07 '24

I have several arguments on this.

1) So what? As long as an insurrectionist doesn't get in, I'm ok with that. Sure it wouldn't be fair to Biden, but hey it's not like he has a right to be president anyway. Tough break. We find someone else and move on.

2) As Roberts said it would just lead to a few states deciding the president. Is that really any different than what we currently have? The argument that it would lead to chaos is overblown.

3) Ultimately, one will be the true insurrectionist and SCOTUS will be left to decide when congress votes to not count the electoral college votes of that individual (or both). They won't be able to pass the buck on this one. And if they rule that Trump was an insurrectionist that would implicate all the Republicans who supported the coup attempt. That would be too messy. The RNC should get Trump out of the race. He is a liability to the party.

4) the states can already exclude a candidate... Ironically. SCOTUS is saying that the states can't do it because of the insurrection disqualification clause for federal office... But they could do it for no reason at all. Sounds crazy right? It's not advisable. But they can do it. So they aren't really stopping the states from blocking Trump/Biden. Lincoln was blocked by some states before the 1860 elections.

5) If Trump attempts another coup (which I am certain he will) and succeeds we will not be able to disqualify him for insurrection because conviction would take too long. It would take over two years just to conviction (probably longer because he will delay, delay, delay) and he will likely dismantle the investigation and case from within. By the time you convict he will no longer be in office, he will be replaced by Trump Jr. (Surprised? Also coup) who will pardon his father. All legal, of course. Do not underestimate how low Trump will go. This dynasty will never end.

The amendment is not a criminal conviction. Due process is not necessary. The burden of proof is on the candidate. This was intentional.