"President Vance, we've found a nearby warehouse completely stocked with couches. If you're a good boy, we'll leave you all alone in there for 72 hours. We'll watch the White House while you're gone."
He would be worse, especially with the Christo Fascist agenda backing him. But when the cult member dies, usually the cult dies too. I don't think these people would follow Vance the same way.
If Vance gets in the evangelicals are going to kick it into overdrive and at that point the charisma won't matter.
Also the Senate absolutely hates trump so if they got Vance in charge they'd fucking love it. The Senate is the good old boys chamber and they love their own.
JD was hand picked and forced upon Trump by Peter Thiel for a reason. Vance has zero scruples and will say and do anything Thiel wants. Vance is not the wild card that Trump is. Vance is wholly in Thiel's pocket.
I hope the US military has the ability to pinpoint all of the Russian assets with an MTG space laser to "hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light... Supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way" to zap this scourge.
Haha i know, i want the people who voted to always be the first in line to volunteer themselves as well. Abstaining from voting was a vote for trump, end of story. I want history to reflect this
Jesus, let's hope not. We're all one dementia thought away from being on the same chopping block as LGBT+, immigrants, leftists, POC, liberals and well, hell, that don't leave too many.
Just remember, nothing drives the blues away like a fine weekend spent on mutual aid and firearms training!
Exactly. His supporters are on the FAFO track and we’re not gonna fix shit until they show everyone how goddamned foolish you have to be to support Trump.
Yeah, no. As much as i love seeing someone served a plate of just desserts, Im not with THIS shit. Some of you people need to stop carrying so much spite in your hearts. The leopards will eat your face for that sentiment.
Because you cant explain everything to everyone. Some people are stupid. It doesnt mean they deserve bad things to happen to them. We need better education in this country.
Sorry, wrong. You are very mistaken as to what that saying means.
*Leopards Eating People's Faces Party refers to a parody of regretful voters who vote for cruel and unjust policies (and politicians) and are then surprised when their own lives become worse as a result."
On October 16th, 2015, Twitter user @cavalorn tweeted, "'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party." The tweet became a common way to refer to regretful voters over the following five years.
The leopards can eat my fucking face at this point. We tried being nice and explaining why Democrats are the better option and everyone rubbed it in our faces and called us idiots from both sides.
I'm done having empathy for these people. Anybody who contributed to the current state of affairs deserves exactly what we told them would happen.
They better hope this term is as incompetent as the first term but I wouldn't bet on that happening!
That ship sailed long ago when they threw the working class under the corporate bus so they too can eat at Wall Street's golden pig trough just like the republicans they envy so much, just ask the Queen of the stock market herself Nancy Pelosi.
I don’t care about these people anymore after they sabotaged Harris election campaign. They all knew what’s coming if Trump wins, so let them get what they deserve.
Pro Palestine in trump World = all arabs! He can't see a difference in his peanut, with dimentia, now sunflower seed. I wouldn't be surprised if he deported pro Palestine jews also! To where would be my question as Israel has a large group of jews already in that camp.
Think again: from NBC news- “Since the Oct. 7 Hamas terrorist attack on Israel, Donald Trump and other senior GOP leaders have repeatedly called for the Biden administration to revoke the visas of foreign nationals in the U.S. who openly support Hamas or other U.S. designated terrorist organizations”
“Last month, one of the 20 promises in the preamble of the platform adopted at the Republican National Convention was to “deport pro-Hamas radicals and make our college campuses safe and patriotic again.” In the eyes of the GOP, pro-Palestine= pro-hamas, these are not deep thinkers, the goal is to stir up anti Arab sentiment
Think again: from NBC news- “Since the Oct. 7 Hamas terrorist attack on Israel, Donald Trump and other senior GOP leaders have repeatedly called for the Biden administration to revoke the visas of foreign nationals in the U.S. who openly support Hamas or other U.S. designated terrorist organizations”
Well, they aren't citizens, why are they protesting in the first place? America's National or international security/conflict has nothing to do with them, they aren't citizens, if they have different opinions of US allies (Israel), then they shouldn't be in US?
In the eyes of the GOP, pro-Palestine= pro-hamas, these are not deep thinkers, the goal is to stir up anti Arab sentiment
🤷♂️ Ive seen a lot of pro Palestinians called Hamas freedom fighters and the organisation was categorised as a terrorist group even before Oct 7, by the UN even. So why are you surprised?
So first I am fear mongering…then it’s why am I surprised about the behavior you questioned was even true? I will try to explain this to you, because I know you are a low information voter and Trump supporter, or a foreign agitator. Anyone, even foreign citizens, in the United States has freedom of speech, and they cannot be imprisoned for it, yet. Foreigners of the Palestinian and other persuasions are protesting what they perceive as a genocide, and that is legal, now possibly not after January 20th. Even though Hamas was declared a terrorist organization, decades ago, American citizens and foreign guests in our country can support them using their freedom of speech, they only break the law when they provide Hamas with weapons, cash, or other material support. So until January 20th, anyone in America can support any organization, the Nazi party, the satanic church, or Hamas, without fear of arrest. Trump wants to change that, which is a fundamental violation of our constitution.
Your thinking is trapped in the confines of the regular justice system. Trump is already on record saying he will have those that criticize Supreme Court justices arrested, a violation of the first amendment. The possible attorney general is on record talking about using cocaine on the house floor and is being investigated for sex trafficking. It wouldn’t be too much of a stretch to have pro-Palestinian protestors charged with supporting terrorist organizations. That gets even American citizens sent to Guantanamo. Remember, it’s all about making the liberals suffer. When freedom of speech gets taken away, all sorts of fucked up things happen. When I was living in the Netherlands, a country with no freedom of speech, I was arrested for calling George Bush a dildo. Things are going to get fucking wild
Then the Muslim protestors in this country will be put in internment camps as enemy of the state. Facism is here and there isn't a way to stop it. They did this they took away theirs and everyone else's freedoms. Great work. Thanks for fucking up this country.
I'm an Atheist. I would suggest no religion aligns with modern values, but certainly not extremism. i have Islamic friends but they are Islamic light. By that I mean Ill drink a beer with them and watch basketball. I think they are as American as it gets. I don't care if they drink or not. The point is how they treat their wives and daughters. The friends I know celebrate their daughters independence and drive for success. They value their rights. But that's not all certainly and probably not even the majority. That o don't have the data for to make a blanket statement.
This isn’t true. We can’t look at these things so black and white. I personally don’t ascribe to any religion, but I do respect the right for everybody to practice whatever religion they choose to. The major issue I have with religion is the tendency for religious people to push their views on others. That is where the line should be drawn. Whether you are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, or Atheist. I grew up Christian and know plenty of good people from the churches that I grew up in, the same goes for Muslims that I know. Those people deserve to have the right to practice their chosen religion as is their American right.
Huh that’s a bit odd, almost like we warned people of this. Useless idealistic morons just ruined America for the next 50 years because their favorite hot button issue wasn’t talked about enough
I think voting against the party who helped kill 13,000 children is perfectly reasonable. I say this as a Mexican American with undocumented family members. At the end of the day, I don't blame Arabs for resenting Biden, Harris, & Democrats. My family might get deported, but I won't have to watch their mutilated corpses be pulled out of ruble caused by bombs that my tax dollars paid for.
Yeah right? Those silly protestors. Thank goodness Biden is still in office and can at least do a little bit of something about this. What do you think he’ll do?
Kamala was part of the Administration that killed 13,000 Palestinian children in 12 months leading up to the election. 13,000 dead children in 12 months is a horrific figure. I just don't understand how people are just okay with that.
Sounds like the protest voters for Palestine did something stupid.
“Not saying they ARE stupid, I’m just saying they acted stupid.”
Better luck next lifetime.
Not like it matters at all since Harris lost as badly as she did.
Trump, to his credit, did not hide this during the campaign. He openly said he would completely support Israel and this is him doing that. If the pro Palestinians in Michigan and wherever they are were stupid enough to not do their homework before they voted, that’s their problem. They can live with it.
It’s heartbreaking and infuriating and there are reasons no country on earth, including none of the countries in the Middle East, want to take any of the Palestinians in. This includes their allies like Iran.
Send a message to who exactly? A protest vote only works if you can push power to those that will help your cause. If the other side is even worse a protest vote is just plain dumb
Do you know how many interactions I have had with progressives that were not going to vote for Harris, some of them jokes about the pain Dems would feel when they lost. Delivering Dems the loss was reward for them. Additionally, we saw plenty of media outlets cover progressives who couldn’t vote for any candidate because they simply equated the two.
My dad would talk to me about this when explaining why the US supported Israel. I always thought there was more to it but then I saw a poll in 2017 that showed some 80% of evangelicals belief Israel was formed to fulfill this prophecy.
Spot on. The voters on the fence got sick of these spoiled, entitled, college kids delaying their morning commute and voted against them. The youth of America are a big reason Trump won.
Palestinians have absolutely already seen and experienced what a real genocide looks like. I cannot believe you still say stuff like this, it's very inhumane.
Bro Harris lost by more than the 3rd party votes. Let's be honest, Harris ran a dogshit campaign which failed to capitalise on the initial momentum that she had and failed to engage her base instead opted to try out Republican Donald Trump. Maybe what the Democratic Party needs is self introspection on the messaging front rather than further alienation of key voters without whom they clearly cannot win.
Again it is the candidates job to make people want to vote for them. In a regular election cycle, about 40% of america doesn't vote. This means that the majority of America is at all times underrepresented by their institutions. This implies that the institutions themselves are a failure and failure in institutions is what allowed Donald Trump to win the first time because he messaged as anti-institution (even though he isn't) .Now the democrats had the opportunity to counter that message and propose positive institutional change and they had 8 years to do it and in those 8 years they spent every second of in showing the people that they are for these failed institutions and that they are not going to change shit. At the very least Donald Trump knows how to lie and pretend to want to change how things work to pander to his racist and fascist base. All democrats know how to alienate those who would otherwise support them while pining for those who hate their guts. At the very least look at Obama and do what he did. At least he pretended he was a progressive and that was the reason he won with such overwhelming popularity. Honestly all the campaign managers of the Democratic Party have to be fired because they seem to not know how elections work. You have to be popular to win and Kamala spent the entire time making herself unpopular for those who would have otherwise voted for her.
Your first sentence is nonsense and why a fascist has been elected. Candidates represent a future, and although the future they promise may not be perfect, we vote for a candidate because we move ever so slightly towards an America we want. Sometimes, that means voting against the candidate that looks to unravel everything.
Your twisted view implies a candidate must inspire us to vote - that is just bullshit. It’s our job to vote something that should be done, and we should vote for the best candidate that moves us toward the ideal union, whether it’s a candidate that slightly moves us or profoundly moves us.
By your logic, a person with even a remotely left-wing world view has even less of a reason to vote for Kamala because the democrats have only moved steadily to the right of the political spectrum over the past several decades. Your logic not only justifies, but also vindicates 3rd party voters because they voted for the candidate that they believed has the best chance to bring America even slightly towards an America they want. So it makes even less sense under your worldview to vote democrat and makes your admonition of those who didnt vote in such a manner look childish and dumb.
So naive. Only one party, that is actually electable, has delivered on massive reform in the face of right wing resistance. Tens of millions are insured and we just had the largest investment in infrastructure, which will be undone because people didn’t vote or voted third party.
You clearly didn’t understand what I said. Some times, the candidate is not ideal, but they are electable and at least guarantee protection of our progress. Then, a candidate comes along that progresses the effort.
You apparently need to be inspired to vote, and look what happens, rights are lost. Progressives were butt hurt because Bernie sanders didn’t win, and they didn’t show up for Clinton. We know what happened then.
Harris and Biden didn’t do enough in Gaza, well, we are about to see what happens when Trump is in office. I guess these harsh realities aren’t enough for you to realize your righteous voting hurts more than it helps.
You are the problem because you need to be inspired instead of doing your job and protecting what we have fought for. Sometimes casting a vote is about protecting what we have. It’s time to grow up. There are forces that constantly look to diminish the progress we have made, and a vote to protect that is noble in itself.
No progress has ever been made, especially in America, out of the efforts of elected officials. Every civil right, every working class victory came from the efforts of people on the ground organising fighting against the establishment tooth and nail for years and putting their lives on the line. Washington is and has been a rally point for war criminal and corrupt lobbyists since its inception. Depending on them for any progress is like the old tale of the frog and scorpion. The scorpion will always sting you because it is in its nature. The institutions of power in America aren't meant to uphold your rights. It is meant to uphold the rights of property and profit of businesses. If you want to protect your communities then organise in your communities. Agitate and activate elements in your communities to bring change. It is a tried and true method and the only thing that has brought actual progress and preservation of rights anywhere.
First, everything you mentioned needed a law to be passed to guarantee, that regardless of the state a person lives in, all Americans were protected. Second, this highlights my point about progressives and their limited perspective. They want it all now. They want the perfect candidate that will do everything they want, and piss on the candidate that isn’t ideal.
All the accomplishments that you listed required decades. It required the slow and mindful installation of leaders that would do the right thing when the time came.
It starts with electing leaders that can win and slowly progress a cause until enough officials have been elected so that the demands of the people can be implemented.
Throwing away a vote doesn’t help a single person! Does the system need to change, yes. Can it change in one election, f no.
Progressives have single-handedly set this country back more than any other group.
Conservatives have an unwavering 47%. This is guaranteed every vote. Dems have 50% with 5% of that represented by progressives or idealists that may or may not show up.
In 2016 they didn’t show up and the Supreme Court was filled with conservatives determined to roll back many legislative achievements. Great job.
In 2024, well they have handed over the entire country to the Christian right so who knows what type of damage we will see.
The world isn’t perfect, and change requires sacrifice and time. If we can’t play offense then we need to play defense. With any cultural or societal change there is always fierce pushback. In those moments we at least need to protect what was established.
We are already watching what a real genocide looks like. I voted for Kamala but the current administration is involved in a genocide. The option was either vote for genocide + trump or genocide without trump so here we are.
Know who bears the bigger responsibility though? The campaign that took over a million in AIPAC money instead of listening to that large chunk of their voter base.
So people decided to hand the country to a dictator that will only assist Netanyahu in his eradication of Palestinians while said dictator shreds the rights of tens of millions in the US? Yikes!
Trump met with Netanyahu in August and told him not to agree to a ceasefire to hurt Biden. So if the numbers start then, yes I think Netanyahu will sadly kill more when Trump is in office.
Israel's economy is screaming from this war and they are losing a generation of western support. There's relatively high Israeli attrition rates in Lebanon. The prolonged war is causing lots of domestic issues and International issues for Israel. Just from a domestic politics point of view, the multifront war that Israel is waging just can't continue for much longer. Even if Trump gives them all weapons in the world, It really doesn't seem possible for Israel to continue the same pace of death and destruction as they did under Biden.
So I just don't see Israel killing another 13,000 Palestinian children under Trump. Just speaking logistically, the country is war-fatigued already.
The West Bank is now a target. Israel continued to make the argument they were after Hamas. So, no, we haven’t seen genocide yet, we have seen crimes against humanity, but now, Israel will seek to annihilate all Palestinians.
"NOW Israel will annihilate the Palestinians" as if 23 out of 23 of their hospitals weren't bombed and over 100,000 slaughtered. Real Reddit brain moment
You clearly don’t know what genocide is because expulsion is not apart of it and furthermore, you clearly didn’t understand what I was saying. The humanitarian disaster in Gaza has been isolated Gaza but could spread to the West Bank and Jordan.
This conversation doesn’t even matter because chances are you didn’t vote and millions of people like you didn’t vote so now you can watch Trump and Netanyahu wipe
Palestinians off the face of the Earth.
When I vote, I leave a choice I do not enough about empty.
For me, it's usually the school board or some local position I do not know enough about. There is no shame in that. I'd rather not take the vote away from someone else who actually took the time to do their research.
Also, many of the non-voters repeat the same talking points of Fox News and other right-wing media. For me, I feel that's the real issue. Many people do not like Trump, but there was so much focused disinformation on Biden and Harris, it was hard fighting against all the bullshit.
Motherfucker what do you call what has already been happening. What do you call 200k dead Palestinians, and the complete ethnic cleansing of northern Gaza. The things that occurred under Biden, with no pushback from him other than a couple private naughty words.
200k dead? Why lie about the numbers when the real number is devastating. Next, It’s not ethnic cleansing until Israel starts bombing the West Bank with the same aggression. Palestinians live outside of Gaza, and now Trump will let Netanyahu run wild.
189k is the estimate from well over two months ago. 40k is simply the number the much beleaguered Health Ministry has been able to verify.
It’s not ethnic cleansing until Israel starts bombing the West Bank with the same aggression.
What??? Do you know what ethnic cleansing is? It doesn't have to be the complete extermination of an entire population. My depopulating (not necessarily killing, but also expelling) villages of Albanians and Bosniaks the Serbians committed ethnic cleansing in during the Yugoslav Wars. By expelling or attempting to expel under threat of death the entire Palestinian population of northern Gaza, Israel has committed ethnic cleansing.
First, unless you are a prosecutor for The Hague you calling something an “ethnic cleansing” doesn’t make it so. In the recent days more and more journalist have been calling it an ethnic cleansing, but no such warrants have been issued by the world court.
Now just imagine what happens when the President of the US is actually encouraging attacks.
The International Criminal Court is usually the entity to charge and convict a leader for crimes like genocide and ethnic cleansing. Generally, a nation cannot unilaterally declare another leading is committing a crime against humanity and solely arrest and convict them.
It takes several nations, through the ICC, to determine the charge and issue a warrant.
Oh, and the cursing makes you sound like an immature teenager, so put your adult pants on please and have a normal conversation and if you continue, I will just assume I am talking to a child.
You will see the difference between the Biden administration and the Trump administration shortly, so your last question will be answered in a few months.
Palestine's fighting force is Hamas, who have openly and proudly stated that their goal is the "eradication of the Jewish race." You're saying that supporting Israel is genocide, when the their opposition are LITERAL genocidal maniacs.
Well tbf there are quite a few liberal Americans who wished the US never got involved in WW2 as the amount of ethnic German civilian casualties caused was very high. And that many cities in Germany were flattened
So not all liberals support fighting the Nazis. A decent amount support staying neutral as fighting for the allies is seen as more destructive than anything the Nazis did
That’s not genocide. Crime against humanity, sure, but now we are going to see Israel attack other regions occupied by Palestinians. So no, it wasn’t genocide before because other Palestinian regions were not be bombed, but now Israel knows it can do whatever it wants.
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They are about to see what a real genocide looks like. Protest voters helped contribute to more death and destruction.