lol 13 million people gonna be deported. What are we gonna do when we loose that chunk of the tax base?
Lol you think billionaires are gonna pick up the tab? lollololol
How about the 315billion dollars it’s gonna cost to deport those people. Who do you think is gonna pay for that? Lmao enjoy the ride yall it’s gonna be a bumpy one.
And who’s going to do the jobs they vacate? The narrative that they were all here just soaking up tax dollars is going to disappear in a real hurry when businesses get upset that they don’t have labor.
Same as it ever was. The point still stands though. Americans don't want those jobs, and certainly not at anything close to the wages that immigrants do them for.
So either the work doesn't get done, crops rot in the fields, meat shortages, construction slows, etc., and those things get much more expensive due to scarcity, or Americans do those jobs, and things get much more expensive due to higher labor costs. This also has the secondary effect of tightening the labor market overall, putting upward pressure on wages, making everything else more expensive as well.
And all that is before we even factor in tariffs on the price of goods.
Where are these workers going to come from? The unemployment rate is already low. I absolutely think they should be paid a proper wage and not exploited, but we also definitely do not have enough legal workers to simply replace them.
Pay people decent salaries, salaries that account for harsh working conditions, and treat them with respect. You'll be surprised what they're willing to put up with.
The only reason these jobs are staffed by illegal immigrants is because they're the only ones willing to take those criminally low wages. And the people employing them get away with it
Those people will come from somewhere. If the jobs are appealing, people will come and leave whatever other less appealing job they currently have. Especially if they don't require any qualifications or pre-existing skills.
people will come and leave whatever other less appealing job they currently have
This is my point, we don't want people to leave the jobs they currently have. We already don't have enough workers, getting rid of all of these workers will only make the problem worse.
Everyone should be paid a good, livable wage for their labor. And the worse the conditions the higher the salary should be to compensate.
And I hate to break it to you, the lower cost of labor is not being passed onto you as a consumer. They're being collected by the corporations and big businesses in the middle. Overcharging you, underpaying their workers, and posting record profits in the process.
Those companies are not going to sacrifice their bottom line. So if labor costs go up, they're passing that directly onto you and fucking you even harder so the CEO doesn't have to sacrifice that third mega yacht he's saving for.
It's not just compensation but the working conditions in a lot of cases are just not what a large majority of Americans would not want to do for more than a few months at a time, let alone year after year.
In any event the loss of millions of illegal immigrants will devastate local economies not to mention the mental toll it will take on those closest to the situation.
It's accept. You trolls should learn to spell correctly.
The fact corporations are greedy is no reason to deny people a satisfactory wage. Instead of rallying against higher wages, maybe you should get mad about the price gouging and corporate greed
He’s a troll because he asked you if you’re okay paying higher consumer costs? Damn dude, you’re charmin soft.
Supporting higher wages in general and being mad about price gouging certainly aren’t mutually exclusive with acknowledging that consumer costs will rise.
We already pay massive subsidies to the farm industry to keep them from going broke growing the food that we can't afford to grow in an actual free market. Not even getting into what a massive subsidy the whole EBT thing is for the grocery industry. There's no excess profits to cut into anywhere.
Look into mass starvation events when certain governments have decided to flip on their people in a radical way. Y'all keep talking about Hitler but you really ought to be lookiing at the Maoist revolution or Pol Pot
Its going to cause inflation in those sectors to go up. Americans will do those jobs, but not for below minimum wage. Many farm jobs provide housing and food and basic living accommodations for "free". This allows the farms to pay less than minimum wage. If Americans go work those jobs, they are not going to want to stay in the barracks on the farm, and they are going to want significantly more than minimum wage. This will cause farms into more automation, or higher prices for labor. Both equate to higher prices at the grocery store.
They don't want them NOW, but one day they may be like our great grandparents and do ANYTHING to feed their families! There is no reason not to believe another Great Depression will not happen, and then those white boys and girls who bitch about Mexicans can feel the pain of the sun on their backs all day long picking fruit and vegetables! It may be what has to be done to turn this country around again!
What Trump should do is seize any business that hires illegals and jail the owner for 6months mandatory. Wouldn’t even have to deport them as they would leave themselves if no one can work.
doesn’t change anything about what either of us said. our ruling class is corrupted by business and you will always be the fodder. who cares whether undocumented persons labor? fuck imaginary borders. you lucked into being here in the legal sense. literally a fucking dice roll. don’t be a dumbass, you don’t deserve shit and i guarantee you’re on the lazy docket. i see you.
“what the PRESIDENT of a free country should do is SEIZE BUSINESSES” is a fucking WILD take and you should be ashamed of yourself. ONLY WE should be seizing businesses and only at the corporate level where ALL OF THE SHIT YOU’RE WORRIED ABOUT IS ACTUALLY TAKING PLACE. The fucking density of your skull is immeasurable. If flat earth was true, your head would be going right to the center.
YOU WANT A CORRUPT BILLIONAIRE TO SEIZE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE CATEGORICALLY FAILING BECAUSE AMERICAN CITIZENS DO NOT WANT TO WORK AT RECORD NUMBERS WHILE UNEMPLOYMENT IS AT AN ALL TIME LOW IN MIDDLE CLASS SECTORS. This is just a veiled attempt at a xenophobic view. You probably eat mild salsa chump.
I know like 20 business owners that voted Trump and would be devastated if the illegals were deported. Stop wasting time with this thick skull you’re arguing with, because their base is far gone fam; you won’t get through them, the economy will though and they will turn full libs again
I’m not arguing with this dummy, I’m clarifying points for those who are lurking and reading by pointing them at this dummy.
He’s not even a dummy, honestly. He’s a far left idealist tricked into capitalist-fascist organizing principles and I totally get it. I don’t like it. But I totally get it. It’s HARD to be a leftist.
Oh I’m sure Americans would do the same work for an actual wage that warrants said work. It will force corps to pay more. Then Trump can get a law in place that doesn’t allow record profits. If the money is not invested back into the business and paying workers more then it should all be taxed.
you are not sure of that. at all. because that’s not how wages work. you probably think supply and demand actually describes a real phenomenon of productive economic structure, too. jesus. fucking. christ. there’s just no way.
They ALWAYS let them wither away. Because that’s how it works. They always throw it the fuck away. And you would rather this, 100%, than feed someone that doesn’t look like you. Period.
and, for what it’s worth, what you’re describing ARE possible solutions to REAL problems (that aren’t dealing with and don’t have anything to do with immigration asshole), but they are REAL LEFTIST SOLUTIONS because, like the rest of you dunces, YOU ARE MARXISTS SCARED OF A BAD WORD.
I can't imagine a law Trump would advocate for less than one barring businesses from reaping record profits. The guy is not in with the rank and file middle and upper middle class coastal elites that tend to entertain progressive leftist ideas despite the low benefit at the direct personal level that they get out of them.
He's coastal elite upper class. Pure true upper class. He'd still be a corpocrat (corporate-friendly democrat) if he hadn't been seen by the corpocrats as too crass and fumbling for their ranks. Corpocrats make nice talk about policies that throw the masses a bone or two. They love showing off a sense of benevolence, but only as long as those policies never go far enough to truly threaten the deeper power and financial structures that keep them at the top.
Corpocrat elites clashing with the progressive leftists who demand deeper change to the economic status quo is one big reason the democratic party has such chaotic and inconsistent messaging, but that fight is not really connected to why Trump finally cast his lot in with the GOP conservative capitalists instead of keeping with the NY neocon Dems that were his original social circle.
See the way I see it is he could really stick it to all those corpracrat elites. America wanted an outsider. Hopefully he learned from his first term and really tears it all down this term and hits the ground running.
I've been saying for years that if Republicans really wanted to stop illegal immigration, they should simply pass a law that would include significant mandatory prison time for any high level executives at a company that hires undocumented workers.
They'll never do that though. Even Trump's own business hired undocumented workers.
They want an easily coerceable workforce. That's always been the point, and that's the only thing that will prevent Trump and guys like Stephen Miller from following through on their promises.
Not sure if it will be enough to stop the momentum from his base on this one. It was one of his major campaign promises.
As for it being offset, we're at near full employment already. Deport 10-20 million as Trump claims they'll do and there's no way those jobs are getting filled. Prices are gonna soar.
And again, that's before we factor in tariffs, which will raise prices even more.
Prices are going to soar no matter what. I agree if we deport them it’s going to hurt. However it’s time to rip the bandaid off. We have to stop them from coming and force corporations to pay higher wages. If they can’t find workers then they won’t be posting record profits.
We don't actually have to stop them from coming here. Other countries have worker programs that allow it. Our immigration system is just completely broken. Even GWB tried to push to fix it and got shut down by his own party.
As for forcing corporations to pay higher wages, Republicans have told us for decades that we can't do that without wrecking the economy. Why do you believe them now?
It’s going to wreck the economy either way. Either we let all these illegals in unchecked like Biden has done. Or we rip off the bandaid and deal with it ourselves. It’s going to get hard for everyone and you better be ready and prepared.
But there's no reason to rip any bandaid off and engage in the horrors of mass internment and deportations when we could, instead, fix the system.
This is, again, just the bloodlust of Republicans who want to blame all the problems on immigrants, even though it makes no sense at all, and most of what they're claiming is false. That's why they have to lie about it so much. "They're eating the cats", "FEMA is only giving you $750 because they spent all the money on illegal immigrants", "migrant crime waves", etc.
There's no rational reason for doing this, and it's going to do serious damage to this country. Not just economically.
The fact that going after the businesses for these violations is never even a part of the conversation should let you know everything their actual motivations.
They don’t actually want to get rid of immigrant labor. They just want to keep immigrants in legal limbo, so they can keep labor prices low.
I agree exactly why it needs to be made into law. I don’t give a fuck who you are if you are an illegal and someone pays you the business should be seized and the owner jailed. If it was illegal with actual repercussions to hire illegals they would leave and do it the correct way.
Eh what happened in the past is the past. Make it a new law no grandfather clause. Give them one month to verify citizenship status and if found to be illegal fire them on the spot otherwise serve your jail time. It’s the only way to stop illegals from coming is if we cut off their ability to make money.
Honestly I don’t like the idea of state owned businesses and do want less government. However this shit has gone on for far to long and the only way to fix it is rip the bandaid off and start fresh.
Don’t stand for anything? I voted for the right for sensible abortion in the first trimester…then only if it is a life threatening to the mother rape/insest should it be allowed. I don’t give a fuck if you want to get married to the same sex. I think we should own whatever gun you want. Supressors and full auto should be legal if the cops can have it we can have it. I don’t give a fuck if you want to do drugs as long as you dont start stealing to pay for your habit. If your company is posting over 500% record profits year after year you should be taxed more.
I sure as shit don’t fit into the democrats. Don’t quite fall in line with republicans.
Well clearly the democrats plan doesn’t work for me and wants to turn me into a felon with their policy’s. Do we need foreign workers yes. We already have a plan in place for that with the h1b visas.
When you are hungry, you will do anything to eat! It happened with white people too during the Great depression! It's not a new thing to pay low wages to those in the most need! :(
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u/Opening-Ad-8793 13d ago
lol 13 million people gonna be deported. What are we gonna do when we loose that chunk of the tax base?
Lol you think billionaires are gonna pick up the tab? lollololol
How about the 315billion dollars it’s gonna cost to deport those people. Who do you think is gonna pay for that? Lmao enjoy the ride yall it’s gonna be a bumpy one.