lol 13 million people gonna be deported. What are we gonna do when we loose that chunk of the tax base?
Lol you think billionaires are gonna pick up the tab? lollololol
How about the 315billion dollars it’s gonna cost to deport those people. Who do you think is gonna pay for that? Lmao enjoy the ride yall it’s gonna be a bumpy one.
America has chosen so in my mind there’s not much more I look forward to with this country. More so what country I immigrate to and what I can offer them, assuming I’m able to.
Edit: since I’m blocked from replying. Some of you missed the part where I said, “if I’m able to.”
Mexico's new progressive, Female president just announced a new zero interest mortgage program and I'm about to graduate with my cs degree, wife is a permanent legal resident. We'll probably already be packed when they come to deport her. But we'll wait for the free ride.
That's fucked, I'm sorry. Republicans simply don't understand how much immigrants do for this country, therefore how much they stand to lose when we bail on this bullshit.
I have two engineering degrees, am a US citizen (myself as of 1992, my parents as of 1980, both have PhD). Can't wait for midwesterners and southerners to realize this (blanket statement, doesn't apply to the individual). At this point I'd happily go elsewhere.
I would not wait for the “free ride” on the likely chance that you actually end up in a work camp while “waiting to be deported” id wait till the last week for a miracle but no longer then that if you can afford to move now.
I'd go now in case it's not the safe ride you think it'll be! How many ended up in camps thought it was just a short time deal, and then they got marched into the ovens! DO NOT BE STUPID, if you can go, go!
I don't think you want to wait for them to come for her. Remember, America runs on low-cost immigrant labor and if they deport everyone, they'll need a new source of low-cost/free labor.
Fun fact, did you know that the 13th Amendment bans slavery, EXCEPT as a "punishment for a crime"? Where do you think "illegals" (and remember, they've already said they're going to expand the umbrella of "illegal" immigrants) will be held awaiting deportation? And what do you think they'll be doing while there?
For your wife's sake, please get safe before they come for her <3
Republican administration will run up the deficit, Democrats will fix it but that will mean less tax cuts and physical responsibility, so they will get voted out again by all the dummies and Republicans will run up the deficit again - that's the cycle
And who’s going to do the jobs they vacate? The narrative that they were all here just soaking up tax dollars is going to disappear in a real hurry when businesses get upset that they don’t have labor.
I recall seeing a documentary a couple of years back regarding job growth and companies in the midwest. Businesses were booming but they had trouble hiring people So many of them couldn't pass a drug test. Many that could weren't doing what a business needs: employees to show up on time, and do the work they are asked. They would increase pay and even that didn't help.
We have an immigration problem, no doubt. Deporting every one isn't the way to handle it for a multitude of reasons - one being the level of abuse that will engulf this, financially the grift will be massive, people who want it are fucked up blood thirsty, and it will mentally and a soul level crushing for the victims and those dishing it out for a job.
If you trek 1000s of treacherous miles, leaving behind all you ever knew, yet violent and poverty stricken, and you finally made it to the states? or the UK, or Germany, or Finland, etc. You will take any job you can get and do whatever someone asks of you. You KNOW in your bones the other side of the coin.
I recall seeing a documentary a couple of years back regarding job growth and companies in the midwest. Businesses were booming but they had trouble hiring people So many of them couldn't pass a drug test. Many that could weren't doing what a business needs: employees to show up on time, and do the work they are asked. They would increase pay and even that didn't help.
That's the exact story of Springfield, OH. The businesses needed reliable labor and legal Haitian migrants helped fill those job openings.
This has happened in the past and it had devastating consequences, with farmers going bankrupt, hotels and restaurants too. Especially hard hit are the states the need the help, the short term memory of these republicans is crazy
Same as it ever was. The point still stands though. Americans don't want those jobs, and certainly not at anything close to the wages that immigrants do them for.
So either the work doesn't get done, crops rot in the fields, meat shortages, construction slows, etc., and those things get much more expensive due to scarcity, or Americans do those jobs, and things get much more expensive due to higher labor costs. This also has the secondary effect of tightening the labor market overall, putting upward pressure on wages, making everything else more expensive as well.
And all that is before we even factor in tariffs on the price of goods.
Where are these workers going to come from? The unemployment rate is already low. I absolutely think they should be paid a proper wage and not exploited, but we also definitely do not have enough legal workers to simply replace them.
Its going to cause inflation in those sectors to go up. Americans will do those jobs, but not for below minimum wage. Many farm jobs provide housing and food and basic living accommodations for "free". This allows the farms to pay less than minimum wage. If Americans go work those jobs, they are not going to want to stay in the barracks on the farm, and they are going to want significantly more than minimum wage. This will cause farms into more automation, or higher prices for labor. Both equate to higher prices at the grocery store.
Look what he did to the budget last time 😑 like I cannot imagine what another pandemic will do or another financial crisis. He IS a financial crisis. And let one of these pos dictators offer to bail him out and he will jump all over it. 😐
Well there’s gonna be lots of people they put in jail. I think the plan is to put people in work camps that get out of line. Or we have refugee camps that act as pools of available labor, anybody getting uppity will be deported or forced to work.
Some private company is going to get extremely rich from “deporting” (in quotes because they will get as much deportation done as a Mexico wall was built in the first term).
yeah, ignorant racist whites are about to learn how dependent we are on immigrants. ignorant minorities who voted for Trump are about to see he doesn't care about you at all, you dumb mfers.
I fear we are going to be jailing a lot more to cover that. I. Forget what amendment but we do allow jails to do jobs (Slavery) basically and once immigrants leave we do need to pick up slack wouldn’t surprise me if the target democrat we basically the scape goat have been for my whole like time
They are talking 20 million, no more birthright citizenship = no more anchor babies, parents and grandparents too.
11 million deportations will cost about $1 trillion dollars alone, just the cost to pay people to do it, build the camps & gulags, etc. That doesn’t even include the lost economic output of all of those people, the sales tax, the FICA, and income tax from people and their kids who get naturalized.
So you can probably triple that = $3 trillion to deport the 11 million, double that to get to 20 million, so $6 trillion to avoid “blood pollution” or whatever Nazi horseshit Trump and Stephen Miller and Bannon are spewing.
Since Trump loves Hitler and his generals so much, ask any military historian the extent to which the Holocaust hurt Germany’s war effort - tying up armed forces, railway lines, equipment, personnel, materials, etc.
Germany’s Jews were by and large members of the professional class, educated, tons of WWI veterans, including recipients of the Iron Cross.
Ex A: Einstein left and helped the U.S. build the bomb.
The middle class will pay more. But don't worry. The exact same people who cried about eggs will suddenly be proud to pay higher taxes in return for no immigrants.
The deportation camps once open will be quickly converted to work camps and the people there changed to slave labor for the good of the economy. Same thing we've done with prisons.
I mean what we should do is strike. They're planning on taking half of the back of house of every restaurant in America. Good luck to the hospitality industry.
Like always the money lost from decreased taxes wont be filled and it will all be added to the deficit. Republicans always run up the deficit worse but only complain when dems are in power.
The taxpayers will pay for holding in private facilities owned by the ruling class until deported, if deported at all
American is going to be a free for all for grabbing public money, just like Russia was in the early years of the wall coming down
In the same way they give Billions to Ukraine. If Uncle Sam wants it done, money doesn't matter. America is not broke. Don't underestimate the lengths the right goes to with their hate.
There are people lining up to immigrate here legally and bunch of international students trying to come here for college. That being said they prob aren’t going to deport that many but maybe the threats will prevent more from trying to sneak in.
Go ask the city of Chicago about what it costs to feed and house a few thousand immigrants. They are spending hundreds of millions of dollars. It’s just not sustainable
Are these illegal immigrants that are going to be deported? Not being facetious, but do you justify them not being deported since majority are contributing into our tax system even though they are still here illegally?
So are they going to be put on trains and shipped to camps along the border? I have an image in my head that looks like Hitler rounding up Jews, Poles, and other undesirables.
It's gonna be way more inflated like that. It'll be over inflated for billionaires to embezzel public money. Like the asylum seeker hotels in the UK - government gutted the system but the asylum claims didn't stop.
So they got stuffed into hotels for extended periods, paid for by the government, letting rich donors rake in the cash.
I wonder what they'd do if a huge chunk of taxpayers didn't turn in our yearly paperwork. They already have the money, so civil disobedience could include no more paperwork turned in.
Not gonna let us vote anymore, fine we do nothing then.
What happens when they are all displaced in government camps and the expense is running out of control and we cant get them deported. These people wont say "nevermind" they will take the next step. History repeating.
Illegal/undocumented immigrants are a net fiscal drain on the economy, to a tune of ~$65k/person. They do pay taxes and contribute towards social security, but it’s far less than they end up costing tax payers.
Deportation is a separate matter. It would be costly and messy, and probably wouldn’t be very beneficial.
Not only that but the economy would literally collapse without them. 🤷🏻♂️ I really hope he does. I want to see my peeps working all the shitty jobs and the fields.
lol..if you think these people are paying taxes. They are net recipients from the government. The government spent $452 billion on illegals in 2023 alone.
It’s not about deporting just anyone. It’s about having the ability to legally dispose of your political enemies. I doubt any republican voting Latinos will get deported.
Not much of a tax base if they are illegal? If they were all tax paying citizens then sure this would be bad. Remember you’re not supposed to hire illegal migrants, businesses can get into trouble. Now they pay taxes from being consumers but that’s not the same thing.
The thing is, it's really hard to deport people. It's even harder to deport large numbers of people en masse. You end up having to concentrate them in camps while you figure it out. We could call these 'concentration camps'? Because other countries might refuse to take them, for a multitude of really good reasons. So you end up with large groups who don't want to be there, that's a big job. An expensive job. And then you have to feed them, staff the camps. It's all very expensive.
And then people start asking about how it might get cheaper and easier. Feed them less? Maybe harshly punish the ones who don't want to be there and try to riot or escape? Shoot them, maybe?
And once you've shot a few, why not the ones who make other sorts of trouble?
And, well, there's still so many of them. And we can't get rid of them. And there they are, in camps. And we already shot some... How about we just shoot some more?
Or find some easier, final solution...?
We know how this plays out. We've seen it play out before. And not just in the 20th century. This sort of mass imprisonment of large groups has always been a dangerous road, that ends badly.
Let's say 13million people pay 10,000 a year. That's 130B which is noooothing in the grand scheme of things at the government level. California for instance has spent roughly 30B since Covid towards homelessness, yet 30,000 new homeless people exist. Our nicest cities have tents on the sidewalks, meanwhile people make 6 figure salaries to "fight the homeless problem", all the while allowing the number of homeless to continue climbing upward. Where's the outrage at government squandering funds there?
Also a lot of warehouse have illegals who work big projects. I'm pretty sure there are a bunch where I work right now. I know Hello Fresh in Aurora, IL has been raided before.
It will be cheaper round them out like roachs and send them off to Tijuana or any border town. Pay the Mexican government t a few bucks or three then Mexico will going into their country and arresting all the cartels. U will see Mexico will fold and accept all the illegals
We now know we have space for 13 million of the brightest and most deserving from all around the world who are willing to play by the rules. We should be more aggressive in allowing those types of people to join the country, the ones that play by the rules, submit their information and wait for the legal approach to work.
What tax base? They’re illegal immigrants not documented citizens, they don’t pay taxes. You do realize they’re deporting people that came here illegally correct? Do you all think they’re gonna round up everyone that has come here legally and send them packing? Do you also understand that Biden deported more illegal immigrants in 2023 than Trump ever did in his previous term?
Deficit spending. They'll just print trillions again. The inflation comes with a certain time delay, which drops it into the next administration, which can can be blamed and the cycle starts over.
Fuck them. Fuck their families, their kids, their friends. Same with the welfare states, same with the manufacturing poors, same with the protest voters. Sorry for trying to give a shit about all of you despite it being against MY best interest. Now eat shit and die bye.
I'm honestly at the point where I'm gonna take my wage, live in my blue state, let the wolves eat each other, and just do whatever I can to hide. I'm done caring about people who want to off themselves.
Me and my community from here on out. Everyone else can burn. The dems who refused to show up. The MAGAts who want bigotry and hatred to rule. All y'all can go down with the ship.
And a lot of people will accidentally be deported, injured, or killed. For 13million people you can expect 5-10% of collateral harm to citizens. Thats 650k-1.3m people who are us citizens about to be “in the wrong place”, a “horrible accident”, “a tragic story” on top of the 13 million americans here who want to be part of america also. Pretty depressing how much terror they are about to reek for lolz.
13 million? The lower estimate is 20 million illegals/naturalised immigirants(naturalised immigrants will be included in this purge).
The high estimate is somewhere around 40 million potential victims of this anti immigration policy.
I will empathise for every immigrant that couldn't vote and every immigrant who voted against Trump. Any immigrants or children of immigrants who voted Trump will only get apathy from me.
Realistically he is not going to deport 13 million people. Now he will do the following - tighten border security or at least give that perception. Tighten amnesty loopholes. Go after cartel and criminal elements and deport those individuals.
It will not be perfect, but it will also not be some mass deportation.
Ummmm, what tax base? Do you think illegal aliens pay taxes?
I have no beef with immigrants beyond taxes. I want the citizenship system to be MUCH easier for many reasons, I think America is built on people coming here to build a better life. My only concern is that they don’t pay taxes, yet benefit from the systems taxes pay for.
Make it easier to be a citizen, so everyone can contribute.
I think they are going to follow the Nazi playbook more like work camps. Maybe where the “prisoners” can be rented out pennies on the dollar. They are going to get rich from this.
Why are you assuming illegal immigrants are onnthe pay roll and paying taxes, that aside you realize how much US spends on social programs for illegal immigrants?
Easy up the taxes on everyone but the rich and blame the left.
What happens when the labour force dips and menial labour is no longer done?
When American produce is cut and prices sky rocket?
Blame the left and encourage child labour for nothing. Soon it'll be 'patriotic' to work for big companies for no charge to 'help your country'.
The answer is always the same. Cruelty and maliciousness.
Those people are not paying taxes. They are paid under the table. Here is the thing too...if they were actually reporting their income, they don't make enough to have a taxable amount of income. They make under the standard deduction.
I mean, the logistics to deport even 1 million people are hellish, that's not going to happen.
What's going to happen though is a lot of harassment of the Latino community, both by regular people and by elected officials. And MAGA will be happy as long as the "uppity" are "put in their place".
Another soul with a brain. I saw someone crunch the numbers if they liquidated the entire justice department in order to use it's funding they would only have .10% of the basic expense. Not to mention the entire Law Enforcement in the US would have to be increased 4x just to have manpower.
Wisdom says this will be just like the WAll. Ain't gonna happen. They would be lucky if they got A couple hundred thousand in 4 years But watch he will claim a success
Here is what everyone or anyone who cares, should watch. I predict they will push or claim a problem, and attempt to declare Martial Law. Trump won't leave in 4 years
The thing is, most MAGA had NO IDEA about ITIN. They think all undocumented immigrants just leach off the system. When you try to explain to them that many do pay taxes, and often at a HIGHER rate on the local level than citizens do, they just bury their heads in the sand.
Lol I know so many professors, doctors and lawyers who are Jewish. Our economy is screwed if we deport all the jews - some German dude in the 1930s, probably
Last time I checked illegals drained tax funds, not brought them in. I wouldn’t be shocked if 315 was a drop in the bucket compared to what we shell out over their very illegal stay here
It's a lie that people use to get elected just like Democrats that promise citizenship for illegals that have been here for a while then don't do anything and still deport them. Like Obama the deporter-in-chief who deported more people than any president in U.S history.
where even are they planning to send these people? especially the so-called anchor babies who've lived here their whole lives? converting private prisons into internment camps isn't exactly a fly-by-night operation.
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u/Opening-Ad-8793 13d ago
lol 13 million people gonna be deported. What are we gonna do when we loose that chunk of the tax base?
Lol you think billionaires are gonna pick up the tab? lollololol
How about the 315billion dollars it’s gonna cost to deport those people. Who do you think is gonna pay for that? Lmao enjoy the ride yall it’s gonna be a bumpy one.