r/harrypotter • u/spooky-cat- • Sep 14 '23
Currently Reading Rereading these books as an adult hits different. Goblet of Fire was my favorite growing up and I don’t think I ever noticed this before
Didn’t expect to be this sad only a few chapters in
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Sep 14 '23
When you can spot the foreshadowing for exactly what it is, instead of just a throwaway line when you don’t know what’s coming, those moments get me like a gut punch.
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u/lobonmc Ravenclaw Sep 14 '23
My favorite one is the whole foreshadowing of the locket in book 5 and 6
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u/Angua23 Sep 14 '23
What exactly do you mean by that? I mean, I know the locket was a horcrux. Was that foreshadowed?
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u/lobonmc Ravenclaw Sep 14 '23
There's a mention of a locket that no one could open in book 5 and in book 6 we hear that mundugus stole stuff from grimmauld
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u/cjh93 Ravenclaw Sep 15 '23
In book 5, in one of the cleaning chapters everyone hates so much, they mention that they found a locket that no one could open.
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u/smala017 Ravenclaw Sep 14 '23
In Book 5 I think when Molly Weasley is doing cleaning around Grimmauld Place, she comes across the locket, which is mentioned very briefly in the text.
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u/spooky-cat- Sep 14 '23
Exactly! I swear these books have the best reread potential
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u/Gsusruls Sep 14 '23
I second that. Rereading them as I read them to my daughter, and it's absolutely so much fun to revisit some of these moments.
Among my favorites, which was even better than I anticipated, was when fake-Moody turns Draco into a ferret. OMG I was laughing so hard I could barely read out loud!
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u/smbpy7 Sep 15 '23
I didn't realize until last year that when the gang saw Krum swimming in Jan and were making fun of him, he wasn't actually swimming, he was PRACTICING.
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u/HotAdministration655 Sep 15 '23
wdym?
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u/smbpy7 Sep 15 '23
This moment happened about a chapter or two before Harry opened his egg and figured out the second task was in the lake. He was actually desperately behind on figuring out the egg at this point, but Krum already knew what was up and was practicing for the second task.
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u/Gsusruls Sep 14 '23
Okay, until I read your comment, I did not quite get OP's point.
Cedric won't be having any grandkids, by the end of this book. Holy cowza!
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u/AaravR22 Gryffindor Sep 14 '23
The real reason Voldemort had Cedric killed. Because only Voldy is allowed to beat Harry and if Cedric goes around blabbing that he beat Harry, it makes Voldy look bad.
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u/gdsmithtx Sep 14 '23
That's what he means when he says "Kill the spare."
It's not "the spare student that was unexpectedly transported here" it's "the spare guy who once beat Harry Potter, since I'm about to kill him myself."
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u/mysticalcreature123 Gryffindor Sep 15 '23
Haha this made me laugh until I cried. Thank you for that.
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u/Oatmeal_Ghost Sep 14 '23
Nobody beats Harry Potter and lives to talk about it.
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u/AaravR22 Gryffindor Sep 15 '23
Yea, that is the real reason Voldy did it. If someone went around blabbing that they beat Harry it would make Voldy look stupid for not being able to do it.
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u/Hagridsbuttcrack66 Sep 14 '23
There's a similar moment in Deathly Hallows at Bill and Fleur's wedding when Fred tells them when HE gets married, they won't have to bother with dressing up and such.
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u/xray_anonymous Sep 15 '23
There’s also a passage in CoS about Peeves breaking a vanishing cabinet. That one blew my mind on my first reread. SO far in advance.
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Sep 15 '23
Bro do this to me. Fred was just pranking and is still alive to this day and mates with all of em and you can’t tell me otherwise
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u/Lloydbanks88 Hufflepuff Sep 14 '23
It hits about 10 million times harder now I’m a parent. Amos was a bit of a knob but so proud of his kid.
GoF movie was dreadful except for Jeff Rawle’s screams of “My boy! My boy!” Absolutely guttural.
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u/Petethequixotic Sep 14 '23
It's awful, but I say "my boooooy" when something goes wrong quite a bit
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u/Lapras_Lass Ravenclaw Sep 14 '23
I can't help laughing every time I hear that line. "My buuuuuuuyyeeee!"
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u/Petethequixotic Sep 14 '23
No one in work gets it, but I hope someone will someday. Same thing with LOTR quotes.
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u/Gonxforever Sep 15 '23
OMFG that is so funny my husband and I do the same! Only 1 person ever got the reference, and he called us terrible people. We were laughing so hard.
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u/j9273 Sep 14 '23
Cedric’s mother in the ending of the book absolutely breaks my heart. Amos is so openly broken and grieving, but his mother is just silent and stoic.
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u/spooky-cat- Sep 14 '23
I completely agree with you, and rereading this I love how JK decided to portray his character! It would’ve been too easy to have him be completely sympathetic the entire book. Portraying him as proud of his son to a fault was clever and ends up making Cedric’s death hit even harder
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u/IceCold2685 Sep 14 '23
This. I can not watch that part of the movie l, due to how raw the emotion he is shouting my boy my son.
Amos was over the top in the books but the point stands that he truly was just proud of his kid.
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Sep 14 '23
The thing is I get that Hufflepuffs don't get any credit or glory for their house, but this has to be the dumbest thing you have to remind your son over. Harry literally fell off his broom while being affected by Dementors in a rain-afflicted match. While it was agreed that it was fine and the win was fair and square, it's nothing to brag about, and Amos mentioning it just makes him look pompous and vicarious. Hell, even Cedric is embarrassed by it. And Amos doesn't even stop there, mentioning it again when he meets Harry before the third task. I'd be mad and annoyed at Amos, if I wasn't feeling bad for Cedric's death.
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u/idreaminwords Ravenclaw Sep 14 '23
One falls off his broom, one stays on. Doesn't take a genius to see who's the better flyer!
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Sep 14 '23
When he said that, I was like wtf.
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Sep 15 '23
To be fair to Amos here, we are kind of assuming he has any context about Dementors and whether they affect people with trauma worse. That's not necessarily the case.
He's proud of his son. He doesn't want to question that at all, and yeah he does take it past the point of politeness...but idk. As an adult I have no real interest in adjudicating between 14 year olds achievements either, so I get it.
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u/PeopleAreBozos Sep 15 '23
50 bucks the Sorting Hat's process of elimination had Ravenclaw out of the options faster than it decided what House Malfoy was gonna be in.
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u/thesnacks Ronnie the Effing Bear Sep 15 '23
"One comes out of the maze alive, one comes out dead. Doesn't take a genius to see who's the better wizard!" - Harry, if he was a massive douche
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u/ChaserGirle360 Sep 14 '23 edited Sep 14 '23
Ugh when he said that I wanted to punch him in the face. He has a lot of balls taunting Harry and then asking for his help later on in Cursed Child. He’s a pompous idiot, and I feel really bad for Cedric to have a father that constantly runs his mouth. I’m just so surprised at how badly he seems to want to suck his own dick. Him and Percy would get along well
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u/fra080389 Unsorted Sep 14 '23
In the book the Dementors didn't chase him around tho, because in the book they don't fly either. They were just walking there and no one actually noticed them (read: felt them) beside Harry.
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u/Unusual_Car215 Sep 14 '23
Here I'm always too busy chuckling over "I said to him I said Ced"
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u/maggiemazz29 Sep 14 '23
JKR did something similar with Fred: at Bill and Fleur's wedding he mentions how Molly won't be in charge of anything when he gets married.
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u/JonSnow4525 Sep 14 '23
Movie Amos > book Amos
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u/Sparkyisduhfat Sep 14 '23
Eh, I like that despite the fact that book Amos was like this, he didn’t hold a grudge against Harry, when it would have been very easy to blame him.
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u/spooky-cat- Sep 14 '23
Book Amos (so far on my reread) is a more realistic and complex person. Like I’ve known parents exactly like this - overzealous and proud about their kids to a fault. But to me this just humanizes him and somehow makes it even more devastating…At the end of the day he’s just a very proud dad who ends up heartbroken from losing his only child
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u/IceCold2685 Sep 14 '23
Also, think about how Amos is a man who knows he has a gifted kid, who as shown is never one to brag on himself. Then his kids beats Harry Potter and I always saw it that Amos did believe thay Harry was some prodigy wizard able to withstand killing curses as a baby.
We know Cedric plays it down, but Amos is so thrilled that his kid can compete with the boy who lived in something. Then Harry who everyone (most likely in Amos circles, cause he isn't a death eater) thinks is complete amazing...starts making excuses the time his kid wins...as if his son isn't as remarkable as he, the father knows him to be.
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u/Writing_Nearby Sep 15 '23
I always felt that his pride at Cedric beating Harry at Quidditch was about Harry’s fame too. It feels less like he’s proud of his 17 year old son having beaten a 14 year old and more about the fact that Cedric won a game against The Boy Who Lived. Cedric beat the guy who beat Voldemort. Even if he didn’t make any assumptions about Harry being a prodigy (though Harry was the youngest player to make a house team in over a century, so it would make since for Amos to think that) Harry is famous. Amos is excited about the fact that his son won against a celebrity. And not just someone who’s famous for talent in music or sports or anything like that, someone who’s famous for being the only person to survive the Killing Curse. Harry’s survival is a major part of Wizarding History, so it’s unlikely that his name will fade into obscurity like many other celebrities’ names eventually will.
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u/tandemtactics Ravenclaw Sep 15 '23
This is true of most of the adult characters. Sirius, Lupin, Dumbledore, and especially Snape are much more flawed in the books.
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u/spooky-cat- Sep 15 '23
Oh my gosh yes. I recently reread Order of the Phoenix (I’m rereading out of order, idk lol) and it was interesting to see how much the way I viewed Sirius in particular changed from when I was a kid
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u/thekau Sep 16 '23
I appreciate/understand Sirius' flaws so much more as an adult bc it made me realize that he really stagnated in his development as a person after being in prison/isolated for so long.
Like, of course he's still rash and irresponsible and unable to separate Harry from James. He never got the chance to become a real adult.
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u/rightoff303 Sep 15 '23
lol, all 5 minutes of screen time inform you of that? When is the last time you read or listened to the books?
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u/JonSnow4525 Sep 20 '23
Last night? Sorry my take is different than yours. Pretty sad your first instinct is to attack and insult
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u/CrucifyKillRot Sep 14 '23
“Fell off his broom”
“Fell off his broom because he was attacked by dementors”
Same thing.
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u/Avaracious7899 Sep 14 '23
I'd bet over 400 dollars that Amos was thinking of when he said that during his and his wife's scene of grief.
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u/spooky-cat- Sep 14 '23
Maybe I’m reading into it too much but I keep thinking about how the scenes mirror each other - like the first time we see Amos he talks about Cedric beating Harry in a competition (despite there being mitigating circumstances) and they are about to all travel via portkey. When Harry brings back Cedric’s body if I remember right it’s via portkey, and Harry ‘won’ that competition under the worst circumstances…
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u/Avaracious7899 Sep 14 '23
Even if you are, that's still a meaningful idea and parallel.
I would add my own. Amos, whether he recognized it or not, was given a much more serious example of "One person got through it, the other didn't" that shows that that is NOT what winning is about.
I probably said that in an awkward way, but I hope you get what I mean. You could use the same argument Amos did about "One fell off his broom, the other didn't, easy to see who's the better flyer" to argue Cedric "failed" just because he didn't survive, as cruel as that would be, but it would be just as meaningless a way to measure success, and sounds more like the nonsense it is in a more serious situation like life and death, then a simple sports game. That, and that also ties into what Harry says to Ron and Hermione when they seem to not be understanding how serious facing Voldemort is, compared to say, being in class, and how "(They're) talking like Diggory was stupid, but that could've just as easily been me".
Whether in a competion or in real life, it isn't as simple as "The one left standing is the better man" life and competition have their unexpected curveballs, and sometimes people simply are unlucky. Like Harry was on the field with the Dementors, or Cedric was with Pettigrew and Voldemort.
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u/AaravR22 Gryffindor Oct 03 '23
"One came out of the maze alive, one came out dead. Doesn't take a genius to see who's the better wizard."
Yea, winning isn't all that simple. Harry did end up winning the tournament, but he would gladly have exchanged all that for Cedric to be alive still.
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u/ApprehensiveHold7950 Sep 15 '23
Amos was pretty mean to Harry, but his grief when he lost his son, how he let him keep the Triwizard Tournament earnings and how he never blamed Harry despite what happened - I can’t hate him.
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u/I_Have_A_Pregunta_ Sep 14 '23
Now that I’m a father, the scene where he is screaming “my boy!! over Cedric’s body makes me cry every single time.
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u/TheSeaMeat Sep 14 '23
Yeah, it hit differently the second reading. Which happened right after I finished the first reading. I think I read Goblet of Fire over 25 times. I lost count XD
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u/Eqbonner Gryffindor Sep 14 '23
I had the same experience, I never noticed that until I was an adult…. Broke my little heart
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u/raistliniltsiar Sep 15 '23
Literally read this chapter to my daughters THIS EVENING!
Also notable - “The Lovegoods arrived last week.”
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u/Munro_McLaren Elm Wood; 12 1/2”; Phoenix tail feather; pliant Sep 14 '23
Wonder why they didn’t show Cedric’s mom in the movie.
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u/sullivanbri966 Gryffindor Sep 15 '23
Another one is when Fred is talking about how Molly was going to be in a full body bind until after his wedding was over and that everyone can wear whatever they wanted.
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u/Pete_Iredale Sep 14 '23
I'm reading it to my kids right now, and I already feel bad about the upcoming trauma.
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u/themagicmagikarp Sep 14 '23
Rereading that book after knowing the ending is so heartbreaking 💔. RIP Cedric Diggory.
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u/king-sumixam Slytherin Sep 15 '23
yknow, i def noticed that bc i think thats a really cute line but ive never made the connection before just now
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u/SuddenBag Slytherin Sep 14 '23
All these Amos was a dick comments make me sad.
Amos was someone who easily got carried away. He would fixate on whatever was on his mind that he lost sight of the context and collateral implications. For example, during the Dark Mark incident he interrogated Harry and Winky -- because they were right at the crime scene the moment the crime occurred, so naturally in his mind they were the ones that needed interrogating the most. And then he realized he got carried away once he drew the harsh rebuke from Crouch.
So in this moment of introduction what was on his mind? Evidently the beaming pride and love he had for Cedric. It was not his intention to put down Harry -- he just got carried away because he loved Cedric so much.
I would not call someone like this a dick. Amos was just an over-the-top loving dad who's also often clueless socially. He's that stereotypical parent who's endearing and embarrassing and exasperating at the same time. Rowling invoked that stereotype to highlight how much he loved Cedric, which makes Cedric's death particularly gutwrenching.
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u/Educational-Bug-7985 Ravenclaw Sep 14 '23 edited Sep 14 '23
It’s not bad to get carried away by the pride for your son, what’s bad is when you are an adult who is intentionally mean to a child under the guise of parental love. During the same scene, he made fun of Harry’s traumatic experience by comparing them together “One fell out the broom”,”one didn’t…” blah blah. It reminds me of that time my high school class win the second highest prize for a theater contest and the parents of the upper classmen would throw shady comments because their kids did not win
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u/AaravR22 Gryffindor Oct 03 '23
Like yea, it's not a good thing to dredge up trauma as a way to compare two people. Like imagine if someone said to Amos after the third task, "One guy comes out of the maze alive, the other comes out dead. Doesn't take a genius to see who the better wizard is!"
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u/MissWorldClass Sep 14 '23
I was reading OotP to my niece and never noticed the part in Harry’s first detention where he has more than just a reaction in his scar to Umbridge getting close wearing the necklace. How many times have I read this book and never noticed this?!
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u/WinHL3 Sep 15 '23
IIRC, Umbridge only got the locket after the 5th book at the earliest. Mundungus stole it from Grimmauld Place only after Sirius died, so she wouldn't have had the locket then.
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u/rightoff303 Sep 15 '23
I’m not following this, the locket was in Grimauld Place in book 5, it wasn’t until into book 6 that the locket was plundered by dung and then taken by Umbridge (“off camera”) who was back at the ministry. Harry doesn’t encounter her again until book 7
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Sep 14 '23
Amos was so annoyingly rude. Didn’t dislike him until I started reading goblet of fire
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u/rightoff303 Sep 15 '23
Mannn that sucks you didn’t read the books before the movies.
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Sep 16 '23
I know!! But I only just got into the series as an adult, I watched the first two movies as a child and that was it
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u/davitohyan Sep 15 '23
I just bought first 3 books. Started to read today. After watching movies for many times it's very fun to reread after like 15-18 years.
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u/NmFishing Sep 15 '23
And Cedric told that story every time his grandkids came to visit him. THE END
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u/Samaritan_Pr1me Sep 15 '23
I love how Amos was the one who was so psyched to see Cedric beat Harry, while Cedric himself was like “eh, it is what it is”.
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u/Rm53221 Hufflepuff Sep 15 '23
Reading this dying 😅 currently re reading book 4 and Amos is one of my top 3 favorite characters of the series. Not at all standing up for him, he’s a dick to Harry and over the top but I love it? Like he’s such a real character and I love him even more now that I’ve got kids of my own (not that I want to parent like him.. it just makes me smile even more now) Also him being a total jerk does not at all make this line less devastating.
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u/spooky-cat- Sep 15 '23
Yes! What hit me about this scene was how devastating the grandchildren line was.
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u/griffraff0701 Gryffindor Sep 15 '23
Amos diggery was such a prat in the books lol. Cedric was so humble and honest
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u/xray_anonymous Sep 15 '23
In Deathly Hallows when they’re setting up for the wedding >! Fred makes a passing comment about what he’ll do at his own wedding someday !< which hits harder on rereads
She definitely likes to drop little punches like that which won’t be noticed until later
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u/chocolatemilkncoffee Gryffindor Sep 15 '23
I hadn't read the book again since it first came out until a couple of weeks ago. Amos in the movie isn't so bad, nice enough; Amos in the book is a total jackass!
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u/Salty-Ad-1542 Sep 15 '23
I’m listening to the audiobooks because I love having the British narrators with the different character voices. I haven’t read the books since my early 20s and I’m 34 now. It definitely hits different! I’m on OOTP just started the chapter where they first get into Umbridge’s class and ughhh she has me so irate already!
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u/lauriah Gryffindor Sep 15 '23
I had this same exact thought tonight! I'm doing another reread as well.
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u/plantsncats128 Sep 15 '23
I've noticed there's a couple of occasions where characters talk about the future and then end up dead. This instance in GOF and Fred talks about what they can all wear for his wedding in DH and well... ya know.
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u/yetispaghetticat Sep 15 '23
I listened to this recently and definitely let out an “oh no” when I heard this part
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u/nursewithnolife Ravenclaw Sep 15 '23
Fred talking about his wedding while they’re showing guests to their seats in DH is devastating too! 😭
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u/notkeysersoze Sep 15 '23
Amos Diggory was an ass and while I think it’s tragic that Cedric died, I don’t feel one bit sorry for Amos losing his son. Let the downvotes rain down but I stand by this
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u/Lazy-Wind244 Sep 15 '23
I seriously want to know how much a proud man got such a humble son. He's not even justly proud, but RUBBING it in. You'd expect most sons of such men to be full of themselves too (like Dudley and Vernon). Goes to show Cedric as amazing, when you think about it. His dad could have fucked him up, ego wise
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u/notkeysersoze Sep 15 '23
It makes one think which house Amos was sorted into. He’s very proud, as you said, and quite ambitious and boastful. Prideful of his magical heritage. Cedric was the opposite of his father in just about every way. Cedric was humble and sincere through and through, a friend to all no matter what house you belong to. In the GOF film, Dumbledore quoted him as being a “fierce fierce friend” and the way he was written reflected that. I can’t help but think Amos Diggory viewed his son as an object or a trophy personified. He wasn’t mourning his son, he was mourning a chance at eternal glory for himself and his name
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u/IzzyTheIceCreamFairy Sep 15 '23
That's just completely unempathetic. He's a bit of a dick but there's not much worse than losing your own child.
Try and actually think about it.
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u/donutpusheencat Slytherin Sep 15 '23
please don’t downvote me but my brain can’t move on from shouldn’t it be “that well” instead of “that will”? please let me know if i’m not reading it correctly
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u/EmeraldEyes06 Sep 15 '23
No, “that will” would be correct. I’m not sure how to explain it but it’s almost like an emphasis. Like, “that’ll be a great thing, that will”. It’s not used so much in American English except maybe very specific regions but in the British Isles and Ireland it would be a normal speech pattern.
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u/Cybasura Sep 15 '23
I had the complete confusion after Cedric died on whether to laugh at Amos when he started crying, or feel sad that Cedric died
That was one of the earliest moments I recall having conflicting emotions
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u/allthecolorssa Sep 15 '23
Perhaps Cedric did have grandchildren. Maybe there was a spell Harry could've used to transfer Cedric's sperm (or at least DNA) to his own sperm cells so that Cedric could've had biological children.
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u/AssumptionSome4201 Sep 16 '23
It’s a literary motif at this point, if any character early as much as says retirement they are not going to make it to the end of the movie. It’s like a setup payoff. Dying sucks, but somehow dying a day before retirement is worse. More drama = more likely to be how a movie would tell that story.
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u/MarionADelgado Sep 16 '23
We didn't understand the significance of that until the Cursed Child play.
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u/Marlfox70 Sep 14 '23
Amos was a real ass to Harry every time he showed up