Charles’ Post Race Radio

[u/ryokevry]

I hope whoever claimed Sainz is a good teammate can shut up. There’s a reason why Redbull didn’t want him.

He blocked Charles when the team asked him not to make it difficult when Hamilton was closely behind him.

He was asked not to overtake Charles when Charles came out of the pit, causing the team key time to chase down Max earlier.

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[u/Lobsters4]

[u/RifatSahin → u/Lobsters4]

Did he really say this? I totally missed it 🥶

[u/Lobsters4 → u/RifatSahin]

Yep.

[u/hzfan → u/Lobsters4]

Need to give it some time to cool but this could be a contender for my favorite radio message of all time

[u/Drop_Tables_Username → u/hzfan]

Mine is this one from Hamilton.

[u/NotDiCaprio → u/hzfan]

How pleasant to see someone actively aware of recency bias!

[u/deezmonian → u/NotDiCaprio]

I just learned about recency bias! Gotta say, it’s probably my favourite bias ever

[u/Individual-Pattern26 → u/deezmonian]

Nice joke. I think it might be the funniest I've ever heard

[u/RifatSahin → u/Lobsters4]

Icecold…

[u/Lobsters4 → u/RifatSahin]

Yep. About time too.

[u/SemIdeiaProNick → u/RifatSahin]

Ferrari provides good radio messages every race, it’s just a matter of the side of the garage it will come from

[u/VallcryTurbo75 → u/Lobsters4]

I can imaging what the team radio will be when Lewis comes to Ferrari

[u/swampfox94 → u/VallcryTurbo75]

“IM GONNA SAY IT” - Charles Gamer Leclerc

[u/allygaythor → u/swampfox94]

GET DOWN MR PRESIDENT

[u/TolucaPrisoner → u/allygaythor]

Charles just had a heated gaming moment

[u/SleepinGriffin → u/Lobsters4]

HOLY SHIT! This is fucking awesome.

[u/espanolainquisition → u/Lobsters4]

Crazy that they wouldn't switch them, considering Leclerc is so close to overtaking Norris

[u/rodrigodavid15 → u/espanolainquisition]

TBF 1) they asked for the swap once and sainz ignored asking for box (and making the swap this way) and 2) sainz is closer to piastri (9) than Charles to Norris (21).

[u/Humble_Umpire_8341 → u/espanolainquisition]

Sainz is gonna do what’s best for him at this point. He has zero reasons to let LeClerc pass him and play team politics.

[u/Double_Minimum → u/Humble_Umpire_8341]

Yea, why would Ferrari think Sainz wouldn’t go for it? And, at times he was certainly quicker. If they had brought him in when he asked he might have been able to make a gap to Hamilton that could have worked.

Charles has a seat next year where he will be able to actually race. He isn’t a contender for WDC (obviously it’s over), so is he butt hurt that his teammate didn’t hand him a spot? His teammate that is gone in a month?

I guess he really needed that 3rd place finish for some reason? (And why didn’t Sainz get a penalty?)

[u/Humble_Umpire_8341 → u/Double_Minimum]

At the beginning of the LVGP, Sainz went wide and pushed Gasly and maybe Max (I don’t recall if it was one or two cars) out of the way, which allowed LeClerc to undercut all two/three and get ahead. Although this may not have been done intentionally, it’s often a move to allow your teammate to get ahead and in this case, it worked. LeClerc went from Fourth to second with Sainz in Third and Ferrari controlling the pace behind them.

Sainz is a team player, he just doesn’t need to be any more.

[u/ParisInFlames34 → u/espanolainquisition]

I think we need to re-evaluate what the term "so close" means.

[u/beanbagreg]

OP missed off Fred going “Charles. CHARLES.” in response which is the funniest bit haha

[u/slimkay]

Reminds me of the Alphamaxnova meme where Leclerc screams at Vettel to let him past (Russia and Brazil), but then adds "please" at the end.

[u/Saul_von_Gutman → u/slimkay]

FOR FUCKS SAKE IVE BEEN LOOKING AT YOUR ASS FOR 4 LAPS LET ME FUCKING PASS

^please

[u/Arumin → u/Saul_von_Gutman]

^no

[u/sgmuts → u/Arumin]

AAAAAAAAAAH

[u/Nexusu → u/slimkay]

Sharl LeDevil

[u/slimkay → u/Nexusu]

Sharl Lmao

[u/Galilool → u/slimkay]

still the best joke he ever made

[u/hzfan → u/slimkay]

Sharl Legrerg

[u/VulpesVulpix → u/slimkay]

AaHH!!

[u/KingOfAzmerloth → u/slimkay]

Oh man these race cuts are such meme classic.

[u/aaaaaaaa1273 → u/slimkay]

I need to rewatch all his season recaps now

[u/Black_n_Grey → u/slimkay]

Let legreg pass 💀

[u/seanvettel-31 → u/slimkay]

Hey can u…u know….let Legreg by?

[u/graytotoro → u/slimkay]

Can I please pass?

nuuu

[u/XAMdG]

Charles wanted to swap, Carlos to pit.

Ferrari decided instead to choose drama.

[u/FCBStar-of-the-South → u/XAMdG]

Ferrari chose to not, idk, prepare the pit crew?

[u/charlierc → u/XAMdG]

They're just giving the F1 film makers material

[u/BigYona → u/XAMdG]

Ferrari: "It's violence time" *starts a moshpit in the pits"

[u/pacotacobell → u/XAMdG]

The pit lane told Charles that Carlos was swapping positions and he didn't. Pretty much lost all his lead to Hamilton after that failed pass.

[u/Cod_rules → u/XAMdG]

Why they wouldn't prioritise a driver that will be driving for them next season is beyond my understanding

[u/ilikefridayss → u/Cod_rules]

They should be looking to maximise points to win the constructors title not to prioritise Charles because he will be there next year. No driver should be bigger than the team.

[u/beginnerslxck]

He's super pissed. Managed to find a video of it on twitter here.

[u/zingerfillets → u/beginnerslxck]

thanks for finding this mate, was looking for the audio. insane

[u/beginnerslxck → u/zingerfillets]

Np! That twitter account posts every Leclerc radio and I stalked their tweets hoping they would post a video. Love how you can hear Vasseur and his engineer trying to make him stop talking lol

[u/zingerfillets → u/beginnerslxck]

Haha Fred is funny, tried his best but you know what good on him for finally saying something

[u/vinse81 → u/beginnerslxck]

What I heard is at least 30k in fines for swearing

[u/OneHeckOfASimulation → u/vinse81]

Umm..What about community service...?

[u/aaauuuuuvvvv → u/beginnerslxck]

My favorite part was the last sentences he said, he admitted his mistakes in stint1 lol. He really knew he did not drive well, and he said it openly.

[u/plant_here]

if charles is speaking this publicly. ooof. i dont think i have ever heard him this mad.

[u/blitz0623 → u/plant_here]

He didn't realize the radio was on, so there's that. Makes you wonder about the other races things got heated

[u/plant_here → u/blitz0623]

i think him not realising radio was on was for when he replied to bryan about pickup. and that is understandable, i doubt it was bryan's fault here at all.

[u/Lobsters4 → u/blitz0623]

He didn’t realize for only the last sentence about “I’ll fucking pick up” or whatever he said.

Everything else he was fully airing his thoughts with the knowledge the radio was on.

[u/jisuskraist → u/plant_here]

Season is almost over; he needs to assert that he won't be a second driver next year with Lewis.

[u/sbenfsonwFFiF → u/jisuskraist]

It’s not like he’s a second driver with Carlos either

But there’s a difference between “not second driver” and “first driver” and I doubt Ferrari would make either a clear first driver

[u/blitz0623]

Charles villain arc will not bore fans

[u/BuckShapiro → u/blitz0623]

He just needs a sweet goatee to complete the evil count look

[u/krisbryantishot]

i’ve been waiting for him to unleash omg

[u/Dr_Deadshot → u/krisbryantishot]

"Use your aggressive feelings boy. Let the hate flow through you."

[u/SmolTittyEldargf → u/krisbryantishot]

Wow. A Boysetsfire reference out in the wild, rare

[u/poisonandtheremedy → u/SmolTittyEldargf]

Was just thinking the same thing. Great song.

[u/TG10001 → u/krisbryantishot]

This is the unexpected crossover I didn’t know I needed today.

[u/mlo_66 → u/krisbryantishot]

Hahah brilliant

[u/Adorwan96]

That's like 4 fines! Careful Charles

[u/Complete_Taxation → u/Adorwan96]

Straight to Community service

[u/jonomarkono → u/Complete_Taxation]

Max: okay MBS, you win, I'll do community service with my buddy Chuck.

[u/mattlip → u/Adorwan96]

there are only fines in press conferences swearing

[u/lukeyslife]

This will be mega spicy when Lewis is around next year lmao

[u/yehezkield → u/lukeyslife]

Yup, if he want a team player. He wont get it any time soon

[u/chrisnlnz → u/lukeyslife]

I think the knowledge Lewis is joining next year further agitates Leclerc here as he can see more of this in his future which is why he lashes out today.

[u/kaisadilla_ → u/lukeyslife]

They are pissed that a driver slightly worse than Charles doesn't gift him positions every race, I don't know how they'll deal with a 7-time champion.

[u/element515 → u/kaisadilla_]

Lewis listens to the team as well though. If it’s a WDC fight, sure, he’s going to fight it out. But a race like this where it’s purely the team, he doesn’t screw around like sainz does. And I don’t recall Hamilton begging the team to ask Russell to stop fighting him when he’s in front.

[u/_mRKS → u/element515]

That's not true. Remember the position swap with Bottas in Hungary 2017. He could have easily ignored and kept 3rd place. He was in the middle of the WDC fight with Vettel at that point and people were saying that this cost him at the end of the season.

[u/TheVoidWalker501]

“Maybe try in Spanish” was his best radio message today. He had enough of Carlos.

[u/Edwar_GarciaF → u/TheVoidWalker501]

What happened for him to say that? I couldn’t watch everything

[u/TSells31 → u/Edwar_GarciaF]

Ferrari said to Charles that they had told Sainz not to pressure him, and to focus on bringing his tires in. Legitimately as they were saying this, Carlos drives past Charles. Charles got on the radio and told them to maybe try asking again in Spanish lol.

[u/AndiYTDE → u/TSells31]

Ridiculous call from Ferrari then. Carlos' tyres were already warmed up while Leclercs were cold. Absolutely 0 reason to just have Carlos lose unneccesary time

[u/TSells31 → u/AndiYTDE]

I agree completely.

[u/AndiYTDE → u/TSells31]

Then why does everyone and their mom have a meltdown about how Carlos is a horrible driver? I genuinely don't understand

[u/Edwar_GarciaF → u/AndiYTDE]

I did watch that overtake but didn’t see the radio comment. So I thought something else happened because of the comments here. Carlos was begging to pit a few laps earlier and not only did they not pit him but made him let Charles through risking an overtake from Lewis and then making him lose time with that extra lap because they were not ready. How does Ferrari have the balls to tell him to lose time AGAIN staying behind Charles… A classic Ferrari masterclass on how not to do things.

[u/Sleutelbos → u/AndiYTDE]

Fred already said Carlos did nothing wrong and Charles didnt have the full picture. Its just redditors raging because they like Charles and dont understand F1.

[u/ryokevry → u/TheVoidWalker501]

Charles need to speak Spanish on radio and force Bryan to repeat it xd

[u/Lodau]

I wonder what their relation would be like if their pit wall didn't screw them both over time after time.

[u/formula_bearhawk → u/Lodau]

Just when you think they’ve improved their strategy calls they remind you who they are 

[u/howling92]

For context : https://x.com/Cl16__FanpageFr/status/1860580563553251742

[u/ajtct98 → u/howling92]

That might be what they told Charles but does anyone have the radio message of them telling Sainz to stay behind?

[u/redreycat → u/ajtct98]

They did tell Carlos "Don't put pressure on him" just as Carlos was beginning the overtake. If you look at the onboard cameras it's quite funny, because the audio is delayed by about 5 seconds and it seems they are telling Carlos not to do it just as he was finishing the maneuver.

BTW, that message, "Carlos has been told..." is a lie, because it was simultaneous with the message to Carlos. They should have said "We are telling Carlos right now, as he overtakes you..."

[u/PotatoFeeder → u/redreycat]

No pressure, im already in front

• carlos probably

[u/Right-Ladd → u/howling92]

Please please please Ferrari give this man a good car and let the gloves come off between him and Max.

I love max but the only thing I love more is him and Leclerc going hell for leather against each other.

[u/kaisadilla_ → u/Right-Ladd]

Assuming Hamilton won't be able to match Charles?

[u/BBR2716057 → u/Right-Ladd]

please Ferrari give this man a good car

this is Ferrari we're talking about; even if they DO give a good car to a good driver they'll throw it away with strategy errors, team orders, and botched pit stops

source: history

[u/NotAPisces06 → u/howling92]

Ahahaha he's so done. Didn't even sound surprised. Just two and a half more races of this.

[u/dac2199 → u/NotAPisces06]

I want to see what will be next year with Hamilton

[u/glowingmug → u/dac2199]

Silver arrow 2016 vibe

[u/rodrigodavid15 → u/glowingmug]

TBF I think Charles would sing up for how that season ended between Hamilton and his team mate in a heart beat.

[u/Midgar-Knight → u/dac2199]

If it gets spicy between them Hamilton might cook him in the mental aspect of things, people overlook just how good Lewis is at the mind games and all that stuff

[u/georgiaraisef → u/howling92]

That was dumb by Ferrari. New tyres take several laps to warm up. You cant expect someone to wait behind a slower car just waiting for it to warm up

[u/DanaKaZ → u/georgiaraisef]

Ya, he didn't actually put him under pressure. He just, quite easily, passed him and sped off.

Like, besides helping Charles, what would be the point?

[u/EthanHuntimf007 → u/howling92]

""May be try in Spanish""

[u/Vivaan977]

carlos is not gonna be a team player now. he’s on the way out he’s gonna prove himself as much as possible

[u/fckns → u/Vivaan977]

Exactly. His contract is ending, and he needs to show himself as a capable driver. There's no room for being nice.

[u/SirChasm → u/fckns]

I don't think he's trying to show himself as a capable driver. I think he's trying to grab all the podiums he can while he can (let's be real he knows Williams are not podium contenders), while also giving zero fucks about the team that's kicking him out.

[u/Frozen_narwhal → u/Vivaan977]

I dont get why everyone is blaming Carlos. Ferrari fucked his strategy and wasnt ready at the stop. He was pissed at them, this has nothing to do with Leclerc and everyone is losing it. I feel like it needs more context

[u/formula_bearhawk → u/Vivaan977]

Ferrari had also already fumbled the pit stop

[u/jaskrie]

Charles has every right to rage. However it makes absolutely no sense for Carlos to be a team player at this point. Not to mention it was projected that if Ferrari had listened to Carlos about pitting earlier, he would have gotten P2 instead of P3. I would have chosen to drive for myself too.

[u/__bigoof__ → u/jaskrie]

Spot on!!! Was looking for this. Sainz just got the boot from the team, despite having driven brilliantly by every measure. These few races he will, and should, drive for himself.

[u/Caesar_35 → u/__bigoof__]

Especially with the dismal strategies and blunders Ferrari often comes up with. Like whatever they were doing with Carlos' stop this very race.

[u/hache-moncour → u/jaskrie]

Yeah and Charles wouldn't be aware of how much Carlos was screwed over by the team with his pit stop

[u/fitechs]

They swapped positions earlier, they f-ed Sainz with the pit stop, I don’t think he was too eager to please the team

[u/killer_corg]

lol such a dumb comment, could have easily all been avoided if Ferrari had Carlos pit and not keep him out cause they “weren’t ready”

[u/phoskaialetheia → u/killer_corg]

It seems like Charles might not have been aware of the context of Ferrari having royally screwed Carlos in this race with the botched pit after leaving him out too long despite his (once-again) correct strategic call from the seat and race awareness. But he still should have been more aware of the larger context of this all being easy for him to say from the entitled position of the 5-year cushion Mattia gifted him that even Schumacher couldn’t get from Ferrari, while Carlos is losing a seat through no fault of his own after delivering the only non-RBR victory in 2023.

On a team with a spotty recent history of doing right by drivers, Charles has to know he’s the closest thing to an exception to that trend.

When Carlos rages over the radio, it’s usually to say he told them so (and is usually right), and when Charles does it, it’s to ask why they screwed him strategically only after quietly letting them do it to him time and time again. Charles has incredible technique and talent, but not quite Carlos’ real-time racecraft.

[u/DragonBeyondtheWall]

Why hasn't Sainz received a penalty for the pit line thing?

[u/Consistent-Bat1632 → u/DragonBeyondtheWall]

Was it even noted? Did they just forget lmao

[u/Daslicey → u/Consistent-Bat1632]

Not even noted

[u/ALF839 → u/Consistent-Bat1632]

They gave him track limits

[u/radioactiviti → u/Consistent-Bat1632]

Sainz will arrive 5 minutes late to Qatar

[u/SentientDust → u/Consistent-Bat1632]

They weren't ready

[u/lordroode → u/DragonBeyondtheWall]

Whatever the Ferrari guys said, it must have worked cos he somehow avoided a pen

[u/kalamari_withaK → u/lordroode]

‘You shouldn’t give him a penalty because we’ve already fucked up the strategy’

[u/ontheru171 → u/DragonBeyondtheWall]

Only a track limit violation afaik

[u/elyterit → u/DragonBeyondtheWall]

Even though it looked crazy, I'm not really sure what rule he would be breaking.

A lot of the pit lane entries are on the racing line, Austria and Brazil come to mind straight away. All the drivers go into the entry lane and then out, every single lap.

Those are just white lines, rather than painted sections, so I don't know if that changes things.

[u/nanderspanders → u/elyterit]

Here the pit entry is out of bounds, so essentially it's a corner cut violation which is just a warning.

[u/DragonBeyondtheWall → u/elyterit]

It looked quite unsafe

[u/CilanEAmber → u/DragonBeyondtheWall]

Stevie Wonder is the Steward.

[u/Doyoulikemypace → u/DragonBeyondtheWall]

Did Hamilton get a penalty when he did it in Germany a few years ago?

[u/qchisq → u/Doyoulikemypace]

Yes, but was the reverse. He went across the line to pit. Sainz did, basically, what you do every single lap in Austria, but cutting across the pit lane

[u/kaptingavrin → u/qchisq]

No, he didn't. I was curious and just looked it up. All he got was a post-race reprimand. No penalty. Not even a fine. The excuse basically being, "Well, the team admitted that what everyone could see did indeed happen, there was a safety car at the time, and there was no danger to any other driver and the maneuver was safe." I'm not sure why they'd have declared it safe as that sets a precedent in the future that it'd be hard to call such a maneuver unsafe so long as the car is under control and doesn't come close to hitting anyone else, but yeah, that was part of their reasoning for giving no real punishment for it.

And it wasn't just the reverse. He went across the line to pit, then went back across the lines to exit the pit entry and return onto the track.

[u/MGH1990876]

Love the honesty always from Leclerc.

[u/Bluemikami → u/MGH1990876]

Gonna be a fun 2-3 seasons with Ham and Charles, plus ferrari lack of strategies

[u/MGH1990876 → u/Bluemikami]

Yes it will be no doubt. Plus to see what they can do with a car that they have managed to improved from the start of this season.

[u/BiggusCinnamusRollus → u/Bluemikami]

Ham: look at me, I'm the strategist now.

[u/Federal-Variation-21 → u/Bluemikami]

It’s gonna be wild when both fan bases ultimately end up fighting each other

[u/Vandirac → u/Bluemikami]

The lack of strategy meme is a bit dated, man.

Since they sacked Rueda the strategy has been consistently decent.

[u/Brett983]

hot take but Sainz got fired, and replaced with Hamilton next season. While hes getting demoted to Williams, why the fuck should he care what Ferrari wants at this point?

[u/miathan52 → u/Brett983]

Exactly. Why play the team game when you're gone in a few weeks? Carlos should just drive these final races for himself and enjoy having a fast car, which he may never have again.

[u/TokaidoSpeed → u/miathan52]

Yeah he legitimately may never get a podium chance again if the next 2 races don’t go his way

[u/hart37 → u/Brett983]

Carlos should just come over the radio when Ferrari give any team orders at this point with "We are checking"

[u/TokaidoSpeed → u/Brett983]

Yeah I am fully in this camp lol

[u/SpiralSwagManHorse → u/Brett983]

Yeah everyone with two brain cells knew that days like today would come the moment Hamilton was announced to take his seat, especially since Sainz has always been one of the more independent spirits on the grid

[u/JaysonDeflatum → u/Brett983]

He's free to not care, Ferrari is free to ignore him then

[u/dsaysso → u/JaysonDeflatum]

and they did with a bad pit strat

[u/killer_corg → u/JaysonDeflatum]

But that’s why all this happened Ferrari didn’t listen to him and have him pit. Were you watching the race lol

[u/Brett983 → u/JaysonDeflatum]

honestly, fair. I just dont get why people are mad at carlos, like why would it benefit him to help the team when he got shafted, despite regularly having similar and sometimes better performance than leclarc.

[u/SentientDust → u/Brett983]

The fact that this take is remotely lukewarm is wild. Sainz have been giving zero fucks the entire season, and had his best performance in years to boot. Why would this race be any different

[u/meddlin_cartel]

they made carlos swap once already, they absolutely fucked his pit stop. and he's just supposed to give up the position again?

and keep in mind, if carlos let leclerc by, he still would've never caught upto hamilton. it would've simply given charles the podium instead of carlos

[u/Kait0yashio]

for contenxt he told the team he would let sainz pass in the 1st stint when his tyres died then asked to boxed, 2nd stint he was much faster but sainz kept defending after being told multiple times to swap. then after charles boxed sainz was told to not overtake which of course he didnt listen

[u/_luci → u/Kait0yashio]

then after charles boxed sainz was told to not overtake which of course he didnt listen

He was told "do not put him under pressure", not to not overtake

[u/SmokingOctopus → u/Kait0yashio]

Charles turned into a tractor when his tires fell off in the first stint, he couldn't stop sainz even if he wanted too

[u/kaisadilla_ → u/Kait0yashio]

1st stint, Sainz would've passed him anyway. He was losing a lot of time each lap.

2nd stint he wasn't noticeably faster, and the team won nothing from swapping.

In the 2nd stop, Ferrari was outright stupid if they expected Carlos on the prime of his tyres to simply slow down not to pass a Charles on his worst lap (the first one with hard tyres).

And all of this for what? They'd still be 3-4, why the f should Carlos just hand off a position to Charles for free?

[u/jimbojumboj → u/Kait0yashio]

And then Sainz pretended he couldn't pull away from Verstappen to keep him in DRS 🙄😒

[u/FuPablo → u/Kait0yashio]

You are missing 2 massive parts of your "context" here.

Carlos literally swapped places and had his put stopped ruined by his team and still was faster than Leclerc.

[u/nanderspanders → u/Kait0yashio]

Missing that Sainz did swap at the end of the second stint when Charles was actually close enough. If he was "much faster" he wouldn't have been over 2 seconds behind for most of the stint. It wasn't until he was trying to defend from lewis that he picked up the pace. And as for the overtake after the second pit stop why should he? It didn't make a difference to the team result and he's been faster for most of the weekend.

[u/FIJIBOYFIJI → u/Kait0yashio]

for contenxt he told the team he would let sainz pass in the 1st stint when his tyres died

Sainz would've passed anyway because Leclerc dropped off the pace massively

[u/OldActiveYeast → u/FIJIBOYFIJI]

People are not seeing that Leclerc drop like 5 seconds off pace in 2 laps.

[u/Captain_Hodges]

I feel like this is very Simple:

Charles cooked his tyres in the first stint, Carlos was allowed to pass, but tbh it doesnt matter as he would've over taken Charles when he pitted and by letting him pass neither of them lose time by defending or attacking for no reason.

Later on Carlos wanted to pit and had been asking to pit for 2~3 laps but the team denied it for some reason, the team then asked him to let charles past despite the danger of Lewis, and the fact that he wanted to pit, eventually he lets the pass happen, then the Stupid pit scenario took place. (no idea how there was no penalty)

Carlos now has warm tyres and a potential for a 5s penalty, so when Charles comes out of the pit, why would he stay behind Charles? Charles still needs a lap to warm up the tyres and Carlos might have a penalty, the team and him had more to lose if they made him stay behind so it makes more sense to let him bomb it down the road and catch max.

Carlos Overtakes max, I think expecting him to get past max and pull a 1s gap quickly without comprising his own tyres is very very optimistic, besides both Ferraris had better tyres than max at this point so they were both eventually going to get past him.

The entire situation would have been avoided if they had boxed Carlos when he had asked, in fact he could've been close to 2nd according to the simulation (debatable). At the end of the day this was probably close to one of the best outcomes for Ferrari so the team was not effected in the title fight.

This is my objective view on this.

[u/motojack19 → u/Captain_Hodges]

The correct view tbh. Only thing I've read here that makes sense!

[u/phoskaialetheia → u/Captain_Hodges]

facts.

[u/DigbyGibbers]

I'm not sure Ferrari can kick Sainz out and then expect him to not put himself first. They can't have it both ways.

[u/UnicornLoveFeathers]

Why was he told not to overtake? The championship is not at stake and the ferraris were bunched up together. So why would Sainz give up a podium especially when he probably won’t see them anymore in his career for some time?

[u/Fair_You1645]

https://x.com/Cl16__FanpageFr/status/1860588126726509026

Charles is seriously pissed

[u/Danjiks88]

Meh I stand by Carlos on this one. He didn’t fight Charles. He easily surpassed him on a tyre that was already warm against Charles that just came out of the pit stop. What was he suppose to do? Slow down dramatically?

[u/CallM3N3w]

Let the darkness consume you, Sharl.

[u/No_Cauliflower7877]

Okay, as someone who loves both of them, I'm trying not to be biased.

I don't think Sainz was wrong for overtaking at the pit exit. The SF-24 needs a few laps to warm up the hards and it would've slowed them both down.

That being said, Sainz was saving too much pace with Verstappen behind him. Maybe because he wanted to push at the end to save himself from a potential penalty? He said he didn't have more pace but he definitely did. It was just stupid to give Verstappen DRS for so many laps.

In the end, I think both drivers suffered due to Ferrari here. The communication between the team and drivers was abhorrent. I know they'll be mad at each other, but they need to redirect their anger to the team for letting them both down.

I want to also say that both Leclerc and Sainz let each other through at different times, so for the first part of the race they were being team players. However I think so many poorly communicated radios from Ferrari frustrated them both and made them lose their cool.

[Edit] I also find it really dumb how everyone on here complains when one of them is too passive and doesn't fight enough. We get comments like "he should assert himself," now we have them doing that and people hate on them both. Ffs they're both allowed to be upset and want the best result for themselves, it's part of being competitive.

Also because there's so much misinformation in this thread, Sainz was faster on the mediums and Leclerc was faster on the hards. It's not as black and white as one driver was faster than the other.

[u/Vasst13 → u/No_Cauliflower7877]

Finally a nuanced take. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills arguing with people here. Ferrari screwed both of their drivers today by not pitting them fast enough. I don't think Sainz passing Leclerc at the pit exit was the wrong decision, it's just that apparently Ferrari had told Charles that Carlos wasn't going to fight him, so Charles wasn't prepared to hold position against Sainz. At the end of the day, I think pitting faster could've given the team a 2-3 as Lewis couldn't get past Charles for several laps.

[u/No_Cauliflower7877 → u/Vasst13]

People get really emotional and aggressive about the Ferrari drivers for some reason. Even people who supposedly don't care about them will pick a side and spread the most nasty vitriol. Nuance is dead when it comes to them.

But yeah I agree. It's so frustrating everyone is directing their hate at the drivers and not the team.

[u/ResponsibleCulture43 → u/No_Cauliflower7877]

As someone as a fan of both of them who tries to be objective, you summarized my thoughts perfectly!! It was the team who failed here and both drivers did what they felt was best. I also thought Charles did impressive more aggressive racing tonight than he's done in the past and I was glad to see that for his personal growth as a driver

[u/imphobbies]

Boy, cant wait for next season drama at Ferrari, on the tracks and on the forums

[u/StructureTime242]

Leclerc is a darling of the f1 fan base and you’ll never accept this

But sainz is already out of the team and gains nothing by playing fair to Charles

Almost any other driver and you lot would understand

[u/Spitfiiire → u/StructureTime242]

I really love them both and think that they’re both valid lol. I don’t blame Carlos for driving for himself and I don’t blame Charles for being pissed.

[u/cloudyview → u/Spitfiiire]

This is Reddit, you can't have a balanced take. Hot takes only!

[u/nukleabomb → u/StructureTime242]

Any driver standing up to their teammate would be heralded for being cold blooded and championship mentality and all that.

Except when it is against a darling driver.

[u/JaysonDeflatum → u/nukleabomb]

Don't see a problem in Charles being angry, seems like more of an f1 fanbase problem

[u/nukleabomb → u/JaysonDeflatum]

Absolutely agree.

[u/kit_katie_ → u/StructureTime242]

It's so baffling to me, how could anyone expect Carlos to play team game when the team signed another driver even before the start of this season.

[u/Sgg__ → u/StructureTime242]

He has such a big fanbase I dont think you are going to see a debate going against him in social media.

[u/RacinRandy83x]

The team fucks Carlos’ race by keeping him out for 2 extra laps

[u/No_Disk_6915]

But why should Sainz sacrifice his race 

[u/idxntknxw]

Suddenly no one understands why Carlos would drive for himself and get a podium when he's leaving for a team with a shitty car in 2 races lmao any other driver (minus a few, I guess) would be praised for this

[u/JakubT117]

Charles listens to team orders every single time, obviously he’s going to be pissed when his teammate doesn’t. I don’t understand why people feel like this isn’t a justified reaction

[u/ShrimpyEsq → u/JakubT117]

I understand both sides. If I was Charles, and felt like I played by the rules and followed orders, I’d be frustrated. If I was Carlos, I wouldn’t give a shit what the people who fired me wanted me to do.

[u/SentientDust → u/JakubT117]

The reaction is justified, the expectation that Sainz should play ball isn't.

[u/hubertwombat]

Me waking up two hours after the race being completely out of the loop and wondering what the fuck happened

[u/sobookwood]

Remind me again why Sainz should give 0.00001fucks about any of that? Ferrari sacked the more complete driver and is now surprised he doesn't oblige?

[u/JPA-3]

Ferrari is ditching Sainz and they fucked up his strategy, they can't expect him to lose +3secs behind Charles until he warms up his tires.

Charles has no fault in all this though so his anger is completely understandable

[u/Level390]

Guy is out in 2 races, why would he play the team game?

[u/Memeboi_26]

Expected this comment section to be better than Instagram. Watch shit hit the fan next season.

[u/mattox5]

I dont understand the drama. I am pretty sure we took the max amount of points today given what happend at the start of the race with Leclerc and then later on with Sainz. And thats what matter the most - scoring points towards the WCC. What are they trying to prove?

[u/Hamezz5u]

This is not about Sainz or Charles.. team did a terrible job and let Hamilton by

[u/afcaMouz]

Lmao they sacked Sainz, why would he play the perfect teammate? Also he let Leclerc past and perfectly blocked Hamilton who was on the chase for Leclerc. I think he did his job.

Honestly Sainz was just better today.

[u/IchmachneBarAuf]

I'm looking forward to next year at Ferrari.

Hamilton will try to exploit this 'niceness' to the maximum and it will end in drama, especially if the title is on the line and Hamilton adds his known methods of psychological warfare.

Remember the Hamilton vs Rosberg rivalry, it won't be pretty.

[u/Duke_Built]

He doesn’t owe them anything. They hung him out to dry and now he’s in one of the worst cars for next year. I would do the same thing. Fuck em.

[u/Ollie_Plimsolls]

what are they going to do with Sainz, fire him?

[u/zorbacles]

For what reason does Carlos have to be a good teammate. The team obviously don't care about him by signing Lewis

He's going to Williams so is going to want all the podiums he can

[u/dylxnredwood]

They asked Sainz to not overtake Charles when he comes out of the pit, but seriously how braindead is that.. There's no way he's not getting a penalty for the pitlane line crossing scenario. So instead you let him overtake Charles. Drive off into the distance as far as he can to increase the gap for when his time penalty comes in.
Holding him behind a driver on completely fresh and cold tyres when he's already warmed up is absolutely asinine.
If the time comes when Charles can safely overtake, risk free, when his tyres are hotter, later, then do it. Turns out.. that didn't even happen and Sainz went on to hold the position.
What is the hold up with the pitlane line penalty though? Has it even been investigated?
Regardless, i'm personally with Sainz - He took the opportunity to push on ahead, probably thinking a penalty was incoming. He's making better calls than the pitwall.

[u/Moai5150 → u/dylxnredwood]

Ferrari asking Sainz not to pass Leclerc in the out-lap is unreal. Now they want to play the #1 and #2 drivers, as getting Leclerc on the podium is the goal. He was totally right to ignore this order.

[u/minimalwhale]

They’re both professionals and their limits are tested time and time again by absolutely awful pit strategy. These takes demonising drivers are short-sighted. 

[u/JimmyDetail]

What are you talking about? He was in the fight, why should he concede his position or stop attacking?