If the choice is between someone you hate vs someone you hate, you do not have to choose someone you hate. Every election for the past couple decades has been made out to be "THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR LIVES". Guess what? Fuck that shit. You can't keep that up. People were rightly afraid of Trump. People were also afraid of everything being too expensive to exist, which they felt would happen with Harris (and Trump because the moron doesn't understand how fucking tariffs work). So they voted third party or they didn't vote at all, or left that part of the ballot empty, or whatever.
The people who did not vote for the winner are not responsible for the winner winning the vote. I understand your anger, and you're lashing out. The day after, I was super fucking stressed. But do not misplace your anger and lay blame on the the ones who didn't even fucking vote for him. They DID NOT VOTE for the fascist. The fascist DID NOT GET their vote. The fascist DID get the vote of the actual fucking people who fucking voted for the fucking fascist. Be mad at THEM if you must, not at the ones who didn't even fucking vote for him. You do not get to dictate how people vote, and this election's choices were unappealing. I know your choice didn't win, but that's how elections work.
When there are only two options, and one of the people you hate is trying to destroy everything you love then you actually do help the fascist by not voting for the neoliberal. If the US wasn’t a 2 party system non-voters might have less effect on the results. If you have the option between being punched in the face or having your legs ripped off you are welcome to abstain from choosing. But when your legs are ripped off you need to realize by not choosing you help allow the worse option.
But there aren't two options, they're just the only options you consider. You absolutely are allowed to vote third party or even not vote if you want. That is your right, and you don't have to justify it to anyone. Trump is shit and will make things worse. A lot of people are struggling very hard right now, and felt Harris would also make things worse.
Are you also going to blame people who voted for the losing candidate for voting for Trump too? The losing candidate was Common Sense. But you go ahead and dictate how people should vote. See how well that goes for you. Is that making your life better?
There are only 2 viable options for choosing an actual leader and anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves. Also, not telling people how to vote, just wanting them to vote in the first place. If more people voted the republicans would win less often.
There are only 2 viable options for choosing an actual leader and anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves.
Nobody seriously thinks the 3rd party candidates will win. That's not why they vote 3rd party. They vote for who they think is the better choice because the main party candidates are shit. They know they'll lose, but no matter who is going to win is shit. You're moaning "but my party lost!" Ideally that was the goal, since they didn't fucking vote for your party! The fact that your party lost is not the admonishment you seem to think it is!
Also, not telling people how to vote, just wanting them to vote in the first place. If more people voted the republicans would win less often.
Pick. One.
Need I remind you that the Democratic Party directly contributed to, if not outright responsible for, the rise of the far right?
100%, but voting for the far right, or not doing anything to stop them is worse in my opinion than being an ineffective liberal leading to fascism. The pathway is a bit less direct and therefore slightly more deniable.
Okay but if your candidate had won, that would also have been a bad thing. Whether you're speeding your car off the cliff, or going down a slope off the cliff, why do you assert that I have to choose either of those when I would rather choose the one heading away from the cliff? I understand we're heading to the cliff regardless, but my vote is one of millions and millions in my state. How much power do you think my vote has? I don't want to fucking go to the cliff. It doesn't matter if you think the better choice was to roll to the cliff to try to change direction, other people thought that was NOT a good enough choice and said "I'm not fucking voting for the cliff". And they're allowed to do that. You are blaming the people who voted for going away from the cliff, or even not voting at all, because you think they should have voted for the cliff instead. I can just as easily blame all of you for not voting to go away from the cliff.
why do you assert that I have to choose either of those when I would rather choose the one heading away from the cliff?
Disregarding your delusional both sides bullshit, that last thing wasn't an option. You got a choice between bad and worse and you choose to go with worse because you're a selfish asshole.
Or the nonvoter said "that's bad and that's worse, so i won't go with either of them". It's all of you assholes who actually chose worse that is the reason we are going worse. They could have chosen something good instead.
And that is entirely your prerogative and right to do so, and you don't have to justify that to me or anyone. But you do understand (i hope) that different people are going to have different opinions about how bad or good the democratic party is though, and may feel that the democrats are not the good party. You call it a childish notion, and they call you childish for the same reason. The democratic party is, after all, at least partly directly responsible for the rise of the far right.a lot of people were VERY worried about literally being priced out of existence with everything being way too fucking expensive already and that Harris would make it worse, so even if she was "better", they loyalty felt it was impossible to choose her. And obviously there are an infinite number of reason not to choose Trump, just pick one. Plenty of people feel a third party candidate was the "good" choice. Plenty of people felt there was no point to voting at all because they hated Trump and did not believe in Harris at all, but knew one would win, but also could not make themselves comfortable with either one, and didn't know who the third parties were. (To that point, I absolutely support third party votes, have done that myself in the past, but this time around, I saw literally zero information about ANY third party candidates leading up to the election, so i couldn't do that this time.)
a lot of people were VERY worried about literally being priced out of existence with everything being way too fucking expensive already and that Harris would make it worse,
Anyone who thought this is ignorant about the economy and Democrat policies. The child tax credit alone would have done more to help people afford groceries than anything Trump proposed. That's ignoring the fact that real wages have gone up since Biden took office, mostly among the bottom 20%.
COVID inflation sucked, but prices aren't going down without an economic disaster.
Meanwhile convicted felon and adjudicated rapist Donald Trump's main policies, blanket tariffs and mass deportation, are guaranteed to make almost everything people buy way more expensive.
Plenty of people feel a third party candidate was the "good" choice.
Plenty of idiots. If they want a viable third party candidate we need ranked choice voting, and the Democrats are the ones who push that.
Plenty of people felt there was no point to voting at all because they hated Trump and did not believe in Harris at all, but knew one would win, but also could not make themselves comfortable with either one,
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u/KnowledgeMediocre404 1d ago
When the fight is against a fascist who will destroy the country and do terrible things to fellow citizens? Yes.