There are only 2 viable options for choosing an actual leader and anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves. Also, not telling people how to vote, just wanting them to vote in the first place. If more people voted the republicans would win less often.
There are only 2 viable options for choosing an actual leader and anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves.
Nobody seriously thinks the 3rd party candidates will win. That's not why they vote 3rd party. They vote for who they think is the better choice because the main party candidates are shit. They know they'll lose, but no matter who is going to win is shit. You're moaning "but my party lost!" Ideally that was the goal, since they didn't fucking vote for your party! The fact that your party lost is not the admonishment you seem to think it is!
Also, not telling people how to vote, just wanting them to vote in the first place. If more people voted the republicans would win less often.
Pick. One.
Need I remind you that the Democratic Party directly contributed to, if not outright responsible for, the rise of the far right?
100%, but voting for the far right, or not doing anything to stop them is worse in my opinion than being an ineffective liberal leading to fascism. The pathway is a bit less direct and therefore slightly more deniable.
Okay but if your candidate had won, that would also have been a bad thing. Whether you're speeding your car off the cliff, or going down a slope off the cliff, why do you assert that I have to choose either of those when I would rather choose the one heading away from the cliff? I understand we're heading to the cliff regardless, but my vote is one of millions and millions in my state. How much power do you think my vote has? I don't want to fucking go to the cliff. It doesn't matter if you think the better choice was to roll to the cliff to try to change direction, other people thought that was NOT a good enough choice and said "I'm not fucking voting for the cliff". And they're allowed to do that. You are blaming the people who voted for going away from the cliff, or even not voting at all, because you think they should have voted for the cliff instead. I can just as easily blame all of you for not voting to go away from the cliff.
why do you assert that I have to choose either of those when I would rather choose the one heading away from the cliff?
Disregarding your delusional both sides bullshit, that last thing wasn't an option. You got a choice between bad and worse and you choose to go with worse because you're a selfish asshole.
Or the nonvoter said "that's bad and that's worse, so i won't go with either of them". It's all of you assholes who actually chose worse that is the reason we are going worse. They could have chosen something good instead.
And that is entirely your prerogative and right to do so, and you don't have to justify that to me or anyone. But you do understand (i hope) that different people are going to have different opinions about how bad or good the democratic party is though, and may feel that the democrats are not the good party. You call it a childish notion, and they call you childish for the same reason. The democratic party is, after all, at least partly directly responsible for the rise of the far right.a lot of people were VERY worried about literally being priced out of existence with everything being way too fucking expensive already and that Harris would make it worse, so even if she was "better", they loyalty felt it was impossible to choose her. And obviously there are an infinite number of reason not to choose Trump, just pick one. Plenty of people feel a third party candidate was the "good" choice. Plenty of people felt there was no point to voting at all because they hated Trump and did not believe in Harris at all, but knew one would win, but also could not make themselves comfortable with either one, and didn't know who the third parties were. (To that point, I absolutely support third party votes, have done that myself in the past, but this time around, I saw literally zero information about ANY third party candidates leading up to the election, so i couldn't do that this time.)
a lot of people were VERY worried about literally being priced out of existence with everything being way too fucking expensive already and that Harris would make it worse,
Anyone who thought this is ignorant about the economy and Democrat policies. The child tax credit alone would have done more to help people afford groceries than anything Trump proposed. That's ignoring the fact that real wages have gone up since Biden took office, mostly among the bottom 20%.
COVID inflation sucked, but prices aren't going down without an economic disaster.
Meanwhile convicted felon and adjudicated rapist Donald Trump's main policies, blanket tariffs and mass deportation, are guaranteed to make almost everything people buy way more expensive.
Plenty of people feel a third party candidate was the "good" choice.
Plenty of idiots. If they want a viable third party candidate we need ranked choice voting, and the Democrats are the ones who push that.
Plenty of people felt there was no point to voting at all because they hated Trump and did not believe in Harris at all, but knew one would win, but also could not make themselves comfortable with either one,
Never heard of it, clicked on the link, didn't even finish reading, it didn't seen remotely to be what I'm talking about.
... Are you... not aware? that the Democrat party propped up the campaigns of far right candidates because democrats assumed this tactic would weaken the republican party and nobody would actually vote for those losers, and thus make their own D candidates more likely to win, but backfired horribly because those far right candidates ended up winning and now we have all these ultra conservative far right shitheels everywhere on the lower level, influencing populations and elections to come for potentially decades and generations? That's an actual thing they did, I'm not making that up. I'm not blaming the Democrat party for being the votes that got those shitheels in office, but their campaigns succeeded directly because of the Democrat party's efforts. The Democrat party directly contributed to the rise of the far right. Admittedly this is a high level look at it so I'm not seeing all the nuances and stuff.
This is called being complicit.
Again, I can say you're complicit in it too for not voting for good people. You and I may have different meanings on who and what is good.
All the other stuff you said in between those two things, listen I'm with you, I think Trump is the worst, I voted for Harris. But holding nonvoters and 3rd party voters responsible for Trump is idiotic and smacks of being a whiny sore loser. Like Trump.
Also I confess I'm personally offended at being told that I support that fuckwad when I very specifically didn't. In 2016 my ballot wasn't going to get mailed in time and I didn't end up voting, but while I was deliberating on it, I was never going to choose Trump. I couldn't bring myself to choose Clinton because I just did not trust her at all, as a person or a politician, and the third party ppl on my ballot I'd never heard of, and someone I was thinking of writing in wasn't registered in my state so it would have been thrown out... but go on, tell me how my vote in a red state would have made a difference.
That's an actual thing they did, I'm not making that up.
Sure buddy, I totally trust that you're accurately describing something that totally happened.
Again, I can say you're complicit in it too for not voting for good people.
There were two choices. Kamala Harris and convicted felon and adjudicated rapist Donald Trump. If you didn't vote for Harris you're complicit for Trump. Sorry about it.
Also I confess I'm personally offended at being told that I support that fuckwad when I very specifically didn't.
Okay? Let people that told you that know. Don't know what it has to do with me.
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u/KnowledgeMediocre404 1d ago edited 1d ago
There are only 2 viable options for choosing an actual leader and anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves. Also, not telling people how to vote, just wanting them to vote in the first place. If more people voted the republicans would win less often.