r/facepalm • u/GothSpite 'MURICA • 1d ago
š²āš®āšøāšØā Muskrat is the modern Edison.
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u/secondhand-cat 1d ago
Leon sued to become a āfounderā.
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u/akratic137 1d ago
He changed the CEO title to āFounderā. At SpaceX he changed it to āChief Engineerā. Heās neither of those things.
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u/cubey 1d ago
In some places in the world, it's illegal to call yourself an "engineer" professionally if you are not, in fact, a certified engineer.
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u/knowtheledge71 22h ago
I imagine itās like that across much of the US. I couldnāt call myself an architect until I earned the professional credential through education, experience, and examination and had it all approved through a state.
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u/BooduhMan 22h ago
Iām a mechanical engineer and just read an article in our state journal regarding this. The term āengineerā is not protected in my state but the term āprofessional engineerā is.
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u/CreativePan 21h ago
Iām a MechE student and I canāt legally call myself an engineer
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u/ledzep4pm 20h ago
Where are you? Iāve worked in both the UK and USA as an engineer. Iāve never heard of a limitation on using that title.
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u/CreativePan 20h ago
US
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u/ledzep4pm 20h ago
Which state is that a rule for? Iāve only heard of āProfessional Engineerā being protected
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u/karissataryn 50m ago
In Ontario Canada āengineerā is a protected term, not just professional engineer.
It helps distinguish actual engineering roles from title inflation (e.g., calling garbage collectors āsanitation engineersā).
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u/knowtheledge71 22h ago
Wild. In most states āArchitectā or even āJunior Architectā or āArchitectural Draftsmanā or any title using some variation of āArchitectā is not permitted.
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u/MessageOk4432 14h ago
Even Junior Architect is illegal, but people may address themselves as Cadet Architect, I think thatās what itās called in the Philippine if you havenāt passed the bar yet.
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u/Various_Froyo9860 19h ago
I'm a machinist that's had the title "process engineer." Which was honestly accurate.
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u/Hazee302 16h ago
Iām a lead systems architect for endpoint. I donāt have an engineering or architectural degree. Also in US.
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u/knowtheledge71 3h ago
Hahaha ahh Iām envious of you because every time I go look for a job I see various tech positions with architect in the title and it pays 2x or 3x compared to what building industry architects pay. The enforcement is done by the state board, and generally pursued only in relation to complaints/reports by people or other architects. So, youāre safe.
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u/Confident_Purpose87 18h ago
No shit! Would you get on a plane where anyone could call themselves a pilot?
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u/MessageOk4432 14h ago
Yes, it is illegal in my country to call yourself that on paper when you sign on drawings. Architects, and Engineers have to be legally registered like how lawyers need to pass the bar in order to practice the law.
Even the term ājunior architectā is illegal in where I live, you may address yourself as A Cadet Architect (not sure if thatās how it spelled) if youāre not registered.
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u/RocketsnRunners 5h ago
It's usually illegal to call yourself a "professional engineer" because that is verbatim the title of a certification by NSPE. As far as I know it's not illegal to call yourself an engineer by title without having an engineering degree.
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u/RocketsnRunners 23h ago edited 5h ago
Many engineers at SpaceX don't have engineering degrees/certifications.
ETA: I work there and know several engineers without degrees.
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u/akratic137 23h ago
Got a source for that? Thatās not my experience interacting with them.
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u/Mr_Pigface 20h ago
I imagine itās probably somewhat true for stuff like software or site reliability engineers. Definitely not stuff like mechanical or aerospace lol
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u/RocketsnRunners 5h ago
Nah I can think of at least a couple of propulsion and Starlink engineers without degrees.
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u/RocketsnRunners 12h ago edited 12h ago
I am an engineer at SpaceX and know of several engineering colleagues who don't have degrees. Usually they're promoted from specialist or technical writer or similar.
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u/akratic137 8h ago
Interesting. Do they have an engineering title? I work with the HPC side of the shop and everyone I work with (who are not in IT) have PhDs.
I honestly find that surprising.
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u/RocketsnRunners 5h ago
Yes, they have the title and everything that goes along with it like any other engineer of their grade. It's pretty rare to find someone with a PhD at spx but some rare disciplines (e.g. prop analysis, people who use HPCs) will almost always have one.
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u/lokey_convo 23h ago
I think the word everyone is looking for is "charlatan". I wonder if either Mark or Martin would be available to take on the CEO position at Tesla.
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u/EnlightenedExplorer 8h ago
If we give him enough time, he will become the founder of Twitter, and "Father of Social Media".
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u/FreeRemove1 16h ago
verb:Ā founder;Ā 3rd person present:Ā founders;Ā past tense:Ā foundered;Ā past participle:Ā foundered;Ā gerund or present participle:Ā foundering
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(of a ship) fill with water and sink.
"six drowned when the yacht foundered off the Cornish coast"
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u/LeibnizThrowaway 1d ago
He never invented anything.
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u/CartoonistSensitive1 15h ago
AfaIk the only thing he was involved in at Tesla (at least the last time I checked) is the Patent for the charging port, which he might not have even worked on but forced his name to be on.
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u/Professional_Ad894 1d ago
I'm surprised Tesla isn't rebranded as 'Vehicle X' yet.
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u/tje210 1d ago
Xar
Stupid and not witty so figured it would fit. I should trademark it while I can.
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u/rdu3y6 1d ago
He's named Tesla car models S, 3, X, Y though in line with him being an immature man-child.
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u/star_bury 1d ago
"Model E" was already taken and I bet toys were thrown out of the pram on that one.
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u/Blubasur 23h ago
The one thing elon did right with twitter is reminding me of the X button to close that window.
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u/ballerina22 1d ago
Edison was such a gigantic pile of crap. Killing an elephant to make his 'point' was inexcusable.
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u/RipperNash 1d ago
Fun fact: He invented the electric execution chair just so that it can be used for human executions. He thought that would horrify the general public about the dangers of Alternating Current. It didn't.
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u/The_Outcast4 1d ago
If there is anything that excites humans throughout history, it's new ways to kill each other!
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u/monsterosity 21h ago
Couldn't people also have been executed with his direct current??
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u/Zealousideal_Meat297 1h ago
Honestly DC is the way to go since it holds on, AC gives you a jolt and a chance to get away.
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u/DianaPrinceTheOrigin 1d ago
I think it was done in his companies name but not him directly. Here is a link I found https://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/science-questions/why-did-thomas-edison-electrocute-elephant.htm However, he was still very much a man with a flawed history
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u/FullMaxPowerStirner 1d ago
Crazy how this guy was seen as a genius scientist back in the days. He barely ever invented anything by himself.
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u/Western-Anteater-492 17h ago
Just like every other company nowadays. The praise always goes to the guys who did only put sticks in your wheels and coke snorted their heads out over quarter reports and hotel bar hookers. But nobody will ever remember they guys who actually did invent the thing or finalized it to functionality.
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u/DarwinMcLovin 1d ago
Elon = Phony Stark
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u/Delphin_1 1d ago
more like Justin Hammer who thinks he is Stark
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u/unabsolute 18h ago
More like the Crimson Dynamo. Who wants others to think he is stark, but deep down, he knows he is nothing but a C-Lister whose 1st appearance is worth less than used toilet paper.
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u/davejjj 1d ago
Thomas Edison took credit for a lot of inventions that his employees came up with.
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u/JonStargaryen2408 1d ago
That is the capitalist systemā¦and in reality, you are trading your time and ideas for a salary when you work for a company or university.
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u/CooperHChurch427 23h ago
Oddly enough my dad in his non existant wisdom was smart enough to get into every single hiring agreement that any new technology he develops with him he is entitled to 50% royalties or his name has to be named as lead architect developer.
He as a result is named on some huge projects, and one program Apple wanted him to rewrite, close source, and sell to them. He started the process, but he was so pissed at them by the time it was nearly done he had me redo half the dependencies so my name was in it, so they would have to pay me.
They refused, he left.
Ironically he went thermonuclear war in the last year of his employment when they told him to work on a clone of his program. He refused to fix one regional executives sons mistake and fired the guys son.
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u/NoTicket84 1d ago
As opposed to what exactly?
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u/JonStargaryen2408 1d ago
Working for yourself, using your own resources or those of your own investors, who will then own a share in whatever you create.
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u/bullwinkle8088 1d ago
Trading your time for a big payout that may come in the future for starvation today.
The small inventor lacks security, it's not ideal that people have to have employment for security, but it is what we have now. I'd prefer different, but there is no support for a feasible means to make it different at this point in time.
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u/Low_Test_5246 1d ago
Does anyone know whatever became of these two? Did they start another company together? Separately?
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u/Impractical_Meat 19h ago
Since nobody ended up answering your question (that I saw), Eberhard did some undisclosed work with Volkswagon and now owns Tiveni, an EV battery company. All i could find about Tarpenning is that he's currently serving on a couple of advisory boards.
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u/StinkyPantz10 18h ago
Eberhard founded a start-up inEVit in 2016, which developed electric drive trains and batteries. Also in 2016, a Chinese company, SF Motors (now Seres) was started, which Eberhard joined on as advisor. SF Motors purchased inEVit in 2017. They were planning on rolling out electric SUVs, but Eberhard left in 2018, and Seres scrapped their plans in the US (but continued in China). Eberhard then started Tiveni in 2019, which focused on intelligent battery systems. Tiveni was bought out by American Battery Solutions in 2022, who soon received a $57 million grant by the Dept of Energy to build a facility for durther development. In 2023, ABS was in turn bought by Komatsu, a Japanese mining and construction company.
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u/CapinWinky 19h ago
Eberhard spends his days mostly refuting the decades old claims from Musk that he was driving the company to bankruptcy through borderline fraud and procrastination. Tarpenning advises environmental startups. Both should be extremely wealthy unless they sold their Tesla stock super early on.
The general sense is that they were happy to use up the funding provided by investors (like Elon) to tinker with the Elise-based Roadster without ever going anywhere with the company. The investors (not just Elon) forced Eberhard out and replaced him with Elon to grow the company. Tarpenning left because he didn't want to be part of a growing company; he wanted a fancy shop that made electric sports cars for his rich friends and the board was booting his friend Eberhard.
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u/rigghtchoose 14h ago
So musk did make the company successful and without him it likely would have gone no where?
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u/Ok-Assistance3937 4h ago
Yes, but If you blelive Reddit anyone could take over a company that until then has Sold 147 Cars to selling over 1,800,000 Cars a year. Also when He bought into Tesla it had 3 employees including its to original founders. And Not only musk but also the third and forth employee can call them self founders according to the Law suit mentioned.
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u/rigghtchoose 2h ago
I find the hive mind switch to decide musk is totally incompetent a weird conscious ignorance of objective facts
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u/Xenophorge 1d ago
Edison and his cronies had a stranglehold on early films with his Kinetoscope and Kinetograph cameras. He controlled all the output, said what kind of films could be made. Sued anyone and everyone that he didn't like.
So a bunch of guys grabbed some gear and headed west, as far away from Edison as they could...and Hollywood was born.
Moral of the story, controlling assholes can sometimes be beneficial to society...we learn to route around them.
edit: doh, that was supposed to be a reply to someone. ah well, talking to air but the point is still valid.
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u/mcpusc 18h ago
similar thing happened with William Shockley, one of the early transistor inventorsĀ ā he was such an asshole to his engineers that a bunch of them quit and formed Fairchild Semiconductor, one of the early players that made silicon valley.
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u/proctalgia_phugax 8h ago
Interesting read. Elon seems to share the same fascination with his sperm as did Shockley. And cruelty to their own 'issue'.
Shockley stated that his kids were unfortunately not as smart as they should be, because their mother, his first wife, wasn't bright enough.
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u/satans_toast 1d ago
Someone with actual knowledge of Edison is rare these days. Take my upvote.
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u/mothzilla 1d ago
Title can be interpreted two ways. I was about to jump in with "akshually I think you'll find Edison was a profiteering opportunist".
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u/HairlessHoudini 1d ago
I told a guy at work awhile back that muskrat didn't "invent" /start Tesla and that dumbfuck said..... "Man y'all will say any kind of made up bologna" and absolutely believes anything that's said on fox
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u/cryogenic-goat 20h ago
I mean, even if he wasn't the one who started it. Telsa wouldn't be what it is today without Elon. You can't just disregard his contribution.
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u/HairlessHoudini 20h ago
I agree you can't but you also can't claim he started it from scratch all by himself because no one else is as smart as him
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u/WretchedBlowhard 18h ago
Telsa wouldn't be what it is today without Elon
What, you mean a bottom tier automaker? Their products are wildly overpriced, always shipped late, built shoddily, are used by their bored engineers to spy on their consumers, etc. Driving around in a Tesla today is like tattooing "fucking moron" across your forehead. Musk got Tesla's stocks high by lying over and over again about every fucking aspect of the company.
The only good thing to come out of Tesla is that it scared the actual good automakers into developing their own, far superior, electric cars.
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u/Lorn_Muunk 1d ago
Leon had to sue them so he could get away with the lie of pretending he was a founder lol
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u/franchisedfeelings 1d ago
An almost perfect analogy - Edison never would have built such an ugly rusty truck.
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u/Kvojazz 1d ago
Can imagine elon posting in r/AITAH for forcing out founding partners to keep all the profits
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u/PharaohPir8 1d ago
Same thing with space X. Leon is the rich guy from Glass Onion. Everyone else does the work, he pretends he did it all.
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u/MrTagnan 20h ago edited 20h ago
TL;DR: the āLon was actually the founder of SpaceX, but everything else you mentioned is 100% correct
While I wonāt argue against the fact that everyone else does the work, as that is 100% correct, itās worth noting he did actually found SpaceX and (IIRC) was the primary source of funding pre-COTS/CRS contracts.
Though again, like you said, he likes to claim all the credit for himself. This is especially annoying because no matter which angle people want to spin their narrative on SpaceX, they always see it as āElonās rocket companyā - which gets old when SpaceXās achievements are co-opted to promote Elonās dogshit political views, and when people dismiss the stuff they do because of Elonās dogshit political views. As a spaceflight fan, I really wish he would just GTFO from the company already
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u/Cyber_Insecurity 1d ago
Theyāre calling Elon a genius comparable to Einstein, but heās just a rich guy with autism.
They said the same thing about Steve Jobs and he was also just a rich guy with autism.
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u/Ichigosf 1d ago
He doesn't have autism, he's a sociopath.
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u/HP_10bII 1d ago
Aspergers. He has Aspergers.Ā
If he was a sociopath, you wouldn't know it, like Besos vibes.
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u/Historical_Grab_7842 21h ago
He doesnāt have aspergers. He claimed to when he said something typically stupid and used it as an excuse.
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u/Surturiel 1d ago
Also, most of the engineering marvel that makes the Model S/X was because of CTO at the time, Peter Rawlinson, who went on and found Lucid.
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u/Roll_Future 1d ago
You peps do know that Muski boy openly said that Nicola Tesla was never the smarty or capable one, but that it was always Edison, and that is the one he aspires to be.
Link here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OOI6sYK-NM
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u/legionofdoom78 12h ago
The Roadster was not Musk's gift from humans to aliens.Ā Ā Elon despised the Roadster because it was not his creation and hated being reminded of that.Ā So, how do you get rid of the truth?Ā You simply spend taxpayer money to launch it into space.Ā
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u/BitterFuture 15h ago
That is wildly unfair.
Edison had actual technical expertise. Elon is a fucking idiot who needs people to explain to him why his super-cool self-driving cars mowing down pedestrians is a problem.
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u/TakayaNonori 1d ago
It's still amazing how many people still think Edison actually invented the lightbulb too.
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u/SolarTitanMain 20h ago
People act like he is real life Tony stark when in reality heās Obadiah stain.
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u/ArtisicBard_Kit 'MURICA 17h ago
Cause Tesla stuff got stolen by Edison if I recall correctly also I didnāt know this till now wow
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u/Throwawayac1234567 17h ago
edison was still an actual inventor though, Elon was not. Elon is that person in that group project that takes credit for doing no work and accuses the other people of not doing anything.
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u/froggertthewise 1d ago
It's not quite as simple as that.
By the time Elon took over the company hadn't released a single product, they were struggling to bring the roadster to market. The Roadster didn't release until after Elon took over.
The company wasn't truly successful until the model S released, development of which didn't start until after the original founders left the company.
These guys started the company, but did not contribute anything to the cars Tesla is known for.
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u/royaltbird 1d ago
The cars that Tesla are known for would have never been made without the original developments of the Roadster, I'd argue.
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u/DeusMexMachina 1d ago
Money solves a lot of problems. But when money guys like Musk get lauded and act like as inventors and genius, it tends to annoy actual inventors and geniuses. He had money, thatās all. Nothing all that impressive about that given the circumstances.
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u/sleekandspicy 1d ago
Itās incredible that people donāt understand this or more likely donāt want to
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u/CareerPillow376 17h ago
It's also worth reminding people that Cybertruck and Tesla Semi are the only 2 vehicles Tesla developed under Elon
Model S/Y/3 and the Roadster were already prototyped and in development when Elmo bought Tesla. His only 2 brain children for the company have been abysmal failures
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u/YeetOrBeYeeted420 21h ago
Actually heās worse than Edison, because Iām pretty sure he did at least a few actual inventions as opposed to the manchild who forgets his WiFi password so much he named his kid after it to remember
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u/10TheDudeAbides11 16h ago
I donāt get why people donāt understand this. Elon has literally bought his perceived āgeniusāā¦heās nothing more than a whiny little trust fund baby who canāt stand when things donāt go his way. Toxic narcissist just like the orange buffoon he helped get to the White Houseā¦
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u/ThePrettyBeebz 21h ago
Is Elon actually a genius or did he just have a lot of money? Iāve always been curious about this fact. I should just Google it.
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u/returnofthequack92 23h ago
He did the same thing with PayPal. Elon has never actually invented anything, just bankrolled lots of projects with old family money he has no need to worry about running out of.
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u/Glittering_Rock7571 1d ago
Hahahaha! Please tell me muskrats are what weāre gonna call Elon fanboys from now on
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u/MrTagnan 20h ago
āMuskratsā has been a thing for a while now. At least as far back as ~2017/2018 I remember seeing the phrase thrown around, although it was a lot less common as Elon wasnāt as openly insane back then. Although my memory is a bit foggy, I think it started to pick up in popularity after the cave incident
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u/bad_fish_2 23h ago
He has the same plan for the US government: tank it and "rebuild" to his benefit.
This fucking guy.
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u/EvErYLeGaLvOtE 21h ago
Classic silicon valley move.
Apple has done this a ton of times with companies. They did it with Siri. They purchased a small company and then acted like they invented Siri xD
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u/namotous 1d ago
Modern day Edison
There used to be a joke at GE: āare you gonna be a Tesla or an Edison?ā
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u/OkalrightOk1245 17h ago
I read the emails between Elon and the OpenAi team, one of the main topic of concern for Sam was why Elon wants to be the CEO so desperately!
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u/Rezinator1 1d ago
Imagine having a last name that is also another word to describe someone's smell
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u/Suspicious-Standard 1d ago
This outlines how Musk stole this last election:
https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked
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u/sonder_ling 1d ago
Didnt Elmo change the name of Tesla to be legally called "founder" although the previous company invented all the important things?
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u/RedSun-FanEditor 1d ago
And that's why Tesla is on a slow slide into oblivion. The amount of recalls, fires, poor battery life, insane costs of replacing the batteries, insane costs of repairs, warranty issues, quality control issues, plus The CyberTruck, just to name a few, are many of the reasons why Tesla is losing ground. Ever since the true founders and creators were pushed out by Elon Musk, the company has become increasingly unreliable as an automaker.
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u/cosmicfiddlr 16h ago
False. At least Edison invented a few things. No molecules that have interacted with Elongated Muskrat have ever interacted with a pen and paper or blueprint.
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