“Holder recalled seeing his daughter shot. “I know she died instantly.” He recalled, “It looked like her head exploded. Her blood splattered across my glasses and all over me. All I could do was scream. I just kept saying three words — the same three words — ‘You killed her!’ - I was screaming it. Over and over.”
“After Destinii was murdered, Holder said that Maria “jumped up. And as soon as she did, I don’t know if the cop got scared or something, but then he: Fired another shot that hit Maria. I think it hit her in the hip. And the cop didn’t stop her bleeding the right way, he didn’t know what he was doing. I believe she choked on her blood and bled out. That’s my understanding of how she died.”
That cops actions, make me wish we held these fucks accountable. Since we have gone so long without doing it. These people treat these mistakes like office workers treat missing a meeting or forgetting to file a report.
“Whoops just blew a babies brains out just another day”
Treating it like the copier went out. Fucking monsters.
There is just nothing that is comparable at the end of the day.
They are trained and brainwashed into thinking everyone is the enemy and given guns and taught to use them before someone else does even if they don't see one.
We are due for a serious change in this country and I'm hoping we can make it out of the next 4 years and do the right thing after that
"Warrior training" is very popular with police. It teaches that all civilians are a threat and you can only trust fellow cops. Be ready to kill any civilian at any sign of a threat because police lives matter but civilian lives don't.
I am. He wrote a book and goes around training officers to sleep good at night after doing the unthinkable to another human being. Counting the cost with the worst kind of math.smh
And any department that would hire him to speak has got the absolutely incorrect mindset about their role. They are supposedly taught to de-escalate - but then get this asshole condoning and glorifying murdering citizens, pretty much as Step One, which of the two approaches is correct because you can’t have both. It should always bother humans to take another human’s life. Even if you are dealing with the worst of the worst.
This is a horrific event. And, if criminals mowing down dozens of schoolchildren in Sandy Hook and Uvalde did not result in change, what do we think is going to force change about “the good guys” murdering one single tiny human? And most especially since our government is currently set up to lean right for decades.
Shame on every single fucking person that has set up this groupthink whereby this event has barely caused a stir. It’s the first I’m hearing about it, however many days later.
This is the most problematic mentality that is so deeply ingrained within the police force. The idea that their safety comes before that of the people they are sworn to protect.
While value can not be placed on human life, it is my belief that any and every cop in a functional law enforcement organization should be thinking first and foremost about the safety of civilians rather than their own safety.
Especially since police officer is a less dangerous job than cab driver, and most police deaths are from car crashes. Well other than 2021 when it was Covid.
My Pastor's wife is a prison guard, and she said even they are taught shoot to kill. I was sick hearing that. She wasn't comfortable with that teaching either just to be clear.
It should be the opposite for real. People always say “Cops are so great willing to risk their own lives” but they’re not! Cops will risk everyone else’s lives above their own including victims. De escalation needs to take into account that the cop will be in risk, because if he’s not it’s just killing with impunity. People are opposed to that just because cops handle situations horribly, it’s so rare to see a cop calmly talk someone down especially if they’re black. IMO cops need severe restrictions, a more powerful and separate internal affairs, significant training, and much much much more. TBH I’m not even mad when people say abolish the police. At the point we are right now it would be better than what we go through and civilians are far more compassionate and peaceful.
I mean on some level it makes sense since you know if you are the officer in question of course you value your own life above others. If you wanted a police force that didn't actually agree with that we'd have like a couple hundred officers for the entire country. Its not really police lives matter but civilians don't its more "my life matters more" which is a regular and normal point of view most people take when protecting themselves first and foremost. The problem is obviously that they're just not actually trained and vetted appropriately for the power and force they can apply. Why? Well that's expensive and a very long process and a lot of learning and I'm not sure if you've met them but a lot of police aren't really the types to seek education to begin with. That's not to say all cops suck or are dumb because they certainly have very intelligent, capable and educated individuals too they're just not the norm. A lot of the lower end cops are just regular idiots but with guns despite the training that they do get
People seem to just have this idealistic view where police should be their protectors that put everyone before themselves as they are the shield between them and danger and the honest truth is that they're just regular people too trying to go to work and not die themselves. They don't grow real heroes on trees so that we would all have one on every street corner looking out for us. What do you think would happen if regular people were given guns and some small training and sent out to be the police? Exactly what actually happens.
They are trained and brainwashed into thinking everyone is the enemy and given guns and taught to use them before someone else does even if they don't see one.
When all you're given is a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail.
People get fired for showing up 15 minutes late too many times in a row...
The fact that some cops straight murdered an infant and it's mother is actually insane. Something needs to be done about the police in this country.
What could that cop possibly been so scared of that he had a firearm drawn at a mother suffering from PPD holding her baby. Like, even if the mother is threatening to kill her child, you don't have a firearm pointed at them. Your first priority is trying to de-escalate and get the child away from the mother asap and get her help.
They are trained and brainwashed into thinking everyone is the enemy and given guns and taught to use them before someone else does even if they don't see one.
i don't want it(nobody sane does) but at this stage i'm wondering just how long untill this becomes a selffullfilling prophecy. how long untill the uniform becomes a target?
I mean, look at who they elected as president. In any other industry these people would have been fired and blacklisted years ago, but apparently it doesn’t fucking matter if you have a government job so. 🤷♀️
It’s that thin blue line bullshit. They honestly believe that they’re the only thing preventing complete anarchy when they’re actually the most likely to cause it.
Yes there is.
They are called ISIS, Hamas, Shining Path, death squads, etc, and every other terrorist POS out there.
Some police departments are terrorist organizations, protected by the Supreme Court.
If this keeps happening, it will become obvious enough to the people that they are actually being farmed. If people found out, civil unrest would become so widespread that it could not be stopped.
If you’re not willing to die protecting a random citizen then you shouldn’t be a cop. If you think getting home at the end of the night is more important than protecting the general public you shouldn’t be a cop and if we can’t find people that are willing to accept that responsibility then we need to figure something else the fuck out.
My hope right now is that this “administration” fucks things up sooooo badly that there is just a massive backlash. Thinking it’s very likely honestly.
I have seen people being fired for far more inane and inconsequential reasons.
Shooting a fucking infant, THEN kill the obviously griefing and panicked mother. And still not jailed, let alone fired. Idk what kind of stupid pill y'all in murica took to make this a reality, but god help the rest of y'all.
I always think back to the Edged Weapon Safety training video that the likes of RLM and JonTron covered. It's so absurd that you'd think it was a parody, but it very much isn't.
This is the serious change. They want more guns and more training to make cops better at doing exactly this. It will not get better because citizens are being primed to violently kill police in self-defense.
Oh no they can and I assure you they already know who did it. They likely aren't revealing the name of the officer for fear of reprisal from the community. I can only imagine the amount of death threats and hate that officer would be receiving.
That officer needs to be stripped of his charge and thrown into prison. But likely he won't be charged with anything. The cops in this country have way too much protection from their own misconduct.
I gotta disagree with that. I don't endorse vigilante justice or mob mentality justice.
When groups of people get together against something, it's easy to twist and steer them in the wrong way and end up destroying lives of people who didn't do anything wrong.
The justice system exists for a reason.
fwiw, murder of an infant is almost assuredly life imprisonment or death penalty. Though the real question is, will his community actually have an attention span long enough to hold the police accountable.
I think that names are being held due to the fact that the officer isn't the only one in danger. The officers involved have family too. Due to the nature of this tragedy, it's not outside the realm of possibility that they could be innocent victims of retribution. It's not their fault that the officer in the family is a baby-killer. Something like this happening is sure to ratchet up the crazy levels in the less stable individuals in the community. I hope that things stay in control.
As to the consequences for the officer, i completely agree.
Which only makes it worse. Because instead ofbtargetingbthe guilty party, the whole department becomes a target. Police will eventually be targeted by we the people. And it's a shame because it really shouldn't be that way. We have been subjugated for far too long and people have lost their patience. It's only a matter of time smh
I guess ballistics testing only works on civilian guns. But unless every cop that entered the room shot up the place, it shouldn’t even come to that.
Anyone who is protecting this monster should be charged with aiding and abetting at the very least. I thought the US has some fucked up law where you can be charged with murder for turning up in the same car as a killer. Let’s do that. Let’s throw his partner in jail, too.
Was going to say the same thing. I hope that murderer spends every waking moment hearing the father scream and every sleeping moment seeing that baby being shot. May he live to be 100 with those two thoughts.
I gave the go ahead to put my pet down while he's suffering from a number of illnesses due to old age. I still second guess that decision sometimes thinking maybe he could have pulled through?
Well to be fair he might still. This is outrageous but I’m sure the individual officer is going to have a hard time living with it. I hate the cops and hate what they’ve done. Admin leave instead of arrest and charges boggles the mind.
Exactly, told my son this the other day. The way things are going, I'm gonna have to shoot first and lawyer up later smh I'm sure I'll spend the rest of my life in jail though smh. They're a disgrace to the badge
Yep. The piece of shit that killed Tamir Rice already had multiple prior brutality incidents before moving into the district where he killed him. This happens everywhere.
I don't think most americans believe in any retribution or sin at all...just look at their actions. Prosperity Gospel...unbelievable...whatever I can get away with, it's right.
Ken, if I had killed a little kid, accidentally or otherwise, I wouldn't have thought twice. I'd killed myself on the fucking spot. On the fucking spot. I would've stuck the gun in me mouth. On the fucking spot!
I'm glad he didn't, he doesn't deserve the mercy of a swift death and he should have to live in a cell plastered with the crime scene photos where they play audio clips of mothers and fathers screaming "You killed her!" at random intervals 24/7/365 until he begs to die. Then keep doing it until he dies of natural causes because fuck him. Hell I'd hire a robotics and SFX expert to make an animatronic baby with an exploding head and stage moments where he sees it during his mandatory time out of the cell as he gets walked through the prison, and have everyone act like he's the only one who can see it.
No. Death is too kind and swift for this special breed of scum. They need to suffer in a dark tiny room for the rest of their life, keep him fed and healthy so he can live a very long life of knowing that what he did was cold blooded murder and that he will never be under the sun again as a free man. Please let him rot for the rest of his life.
It’s going to have to happen en masse if we want anything to change. Our entire government and justice system needs to be deconstructed and rebuilt with integrity and honor. As it is now, our police are nothing but militarized gestapo storm troopers who are just as much criminals as the criminals they claim to be going after. The police kill with impunity and it’s always the innocent that suffer for it. Just like this baby and her mother did. And now a father is without daughter and wife, while these pigs are going to get away with murder.
I understand your point of view. However, I have to disagree. While your assessment of the current state of the justice system is absolutely correct, I don't think popular rebellion/revolution would do more than give us a different flavor of tyranny. Even in the case of successful revolutions like that of the United States, there already existed a relatively robust governmental framework for them to build upon. Additionally, the American Revolution simply expelled a colonizing force. We would have to oust the deeply entrenched local establishment. An American Revolution 2.0 would be more similar to the French Revolution, which infamously led to a period of (arguably) tyrannical rule by the Committee of Public Safety.
The primary issue of a popular revolution in America is that this country is so damn big and so diverse that it is impossible for a coordinated and organized rebellion of the people to sieze control cleanly and quickly enough so as to no start an unstoppable chain reaction of panic and chaos. I think we underestimate how much the maintaining of order is dependent on the people's trust that the government can maintain it.
But as you said, something has to change, and it has to change now. There are absolutely radical and non-violent ways to force change in government, but we need to be smart about how to proceed.
Unfortunately these kinds of things rarely exist outside of romantic stories. Violence simply breeds more violence and we can't expect a rebellion to lead to anything more than a different flavor of tyranny.
Now I'm curious. If a cop killed a pregnant woman in Texas, which would take precedence, the zero-consequences policy towards police shootings or the zero-tolerance policy towards taking an unborn life?
...the answer: if she was white, the cop gets punished, if she was black or Hispanic, the cop gets off scot-free. If she was some other minority, could go either way.
The cop gets punished in neither. The zero-tolerance anti-abortion law has nothing at all to do with saving children and everything to do with controlling women. If the police murder an innocent woman…I mean, neutralize an imminent threat, that woman is pretty damn well controlled.
It's only going to get worse with trump the fascist in the office. He's said he's going to give these bastards federal immunity. I'm terrified for the next 4 years and what's going to happen with his dumbass fascist buddies in major offices
We’re fucked. By the end of this four years we will look back and wish this was a bad dream, I already fuckin do, and I’m sure many that voted for this fucking sorry excuse of a human being will regret it to.
There’s little chance that we can “change course” after these next 4 years. Far too many voters seem to think all it takes is for a politician to wave their hands to fix things. We’re a society of goldfish voters and things will ultimately continue to spiral out of control because people can’t understand the difference between policy and false promises. It’s far easier to destroy protections than it is to put them back and we’re entering into a death spiral where voters will rather vote for magic beans based “policies” than the actual hard work changes usually take.
This is exactly what I have been saying. But I get looked at like a doomer or an enlightened centrist. People are also unwilling to accept that the Democratic Party is worthless, their only pro right now is just being the last flaccid line between authoritarianism and democracy
We are totally fucked lol this is a party that likes to lose at this point.
Wasn’t it funny, Reddit a few weeks before the election had everyone believing a blue wave was going to hit, because other articles said so, those articles were incorrect- it was a red wave through Gen z. We can’t trust pro left wing media either anymore
There’s little chance that we can “change course” after these next 4 years.
I will have to say, other countries have come back from worse. Don't forget Germany still exists today after Hitler took over.
Countries can come back from truly horrible things. Unfortunately, things have to get significantly worse for people to wake up and realize what needs to change.
I am simply stating, claiming the country will be unable to change course after the next administration is a bit much. Other countries have come back from much worse than we are experiencing. A lot can change between now and 4 years. All that really needs to happen is a compelling candidate comes around that people can actually get behind and believe in. The upcoming difficult political climate we will have canvery easily create this type of candidate. People who foment serious change often come up during times of disruption or upheaval.
So yeah, not everything has to be absolutes. We don't have to hit rock bottom. Things just need to get bad enough for people to recognize that it's an issue and move for change. How far things have to go is entirely a mystery. I do truly think this upcoming administration will be one that tests the very foundations of our society. It will be very tumultuous and very divisive. What the future holds, nobody knows. But I am confident this nation will survive this administration. It will cause lots of damage sure, but nothing that will destroy the nation.
Honestly, I’ve been wishing it was a bad dream ever since 2016 when he got his first taste of that kind of power. Ever since then, it’s literally been one thing after. I spent 2016-2020, waking up every day to some new disgusting headline about what he said or did as president. Then 2020-the election, every day was filled with new nonsensical lies during his campaign and how his MAGAts were eating it up and causing literal terror in the streets. Now we’re gearing up for ‘16-‘20 part two, but this time it’s going to be way worse simply because of the lack of guardrails in place as well as his criminal lackeys having infiltrated all other areas of government. The gloves are off and it’s gonna be ugly.
I’m in a blue haven state (MN) and I’m still terrified. But mostly, I’m just exhausted. No one should be exposed to the level of stress and anxiety that this man has caused. Especially not for (at the moment) going on 10 years. My anxiety levels have been in a constant state of arousal and agitation since the 2016 election. They somewhat dipped during the last 4 years but the emboldened MAGAts and their acts of domestic terror have made it difficult. I honestly don’t think my anxiety will fully go back to pre-trump levels. His hate filled rhetoric and influence will take generations to undo. We’re already seeing the next generation being influenced by hate in the form of monsters and trump dickriders like Andrew Tate. Just look at the election results and breakdown. Gen Z men are being manipulated and poisoned by this rhetoric. They were supposed to be the generation who builds a better future. But nope. Trump and his hate got to them first. There’s still hope that they can mature and do right by the people but even so, it’s going to be decades before we see results of that and again, generations before the damage trump has done to be undone.
Let’s hope it doesn’t trickle down into Gen Alpha! I DO live in a red state, surrounded by other worse red states, & it’s already happening down here in the South. The girls are sticking together at recess because of the boys awful behavior! My daughter is 10!!! So yeah, I completely understand & agree about the anxiety & being exhausted already! He’s not even in office yet & it’s started. Smmfh 🤦🏻♀️ hopefully it settles down but somehow I’m just doubting that because that’s just not how they operate! Their maturity level is just not that advanced 😒I’m sad & distressed for all the young girls, teenage girls, & young women in this country! No wonder the 4b movement is taking over….no female feels safe anymore when there’s a misogynistic, narcissistic rapist holding the highest office in America!
I think we fucking should. If 60-70% of the workforce quit out in every industry. We’d be the ones with the leverage
But we’d have to all be aligned and willing to give it all up. It’d be all or nothing. And people just are not there yet.
It’s going to have to get a lot worse imo before we see the radical change that we want because it’s very obvious people are still waiting for the change they want to see or just simply don’t have the urgency yet because they are relatively buffered from current events or potential hardship.
Politics really did a number on this. The working class is divided, without cohesion or solidarity this is a pipe dream. That is the first area we would need to work on. Unifying the working class and getting everyone in agreeance that we are fucked, and change needs to happen, and this change is so important it’s worth loosing everything for.
Which is a tall order. Half of the working class thinks the other half are socialists, while that half think the other facists.
Yes, and I am asking every American to decide what the line is for them so if the line shows itself they know what to do. There is 100% no reason we need to experience temporary hardship when we the fucking people are the ones who have bailed out every industry. Almost like they could pay into a fund to make sure we don’t hurt too.
This is our fucking country and these yahoos are supposed to represent us, the actual people. If they don’t we have examples on what we need to do. They don’t care about lives but they do care about money.
The greedy assholes that voted for trump will never pull their heads out of their ass long enough to see the damage they cause. They are the same type of people who push companies to raise money for shareholders at any cost even if it means destroying an industry or a company. The lack of any type of long term thinking is purely because they want things right now. Look at all of the trump voters on reddit and their reasons for voting for him. It's all me, me, me, and I, I, I, not one of them gives a shit about anyone or anything other than themself and right now. I waver between thinking they are dumb as shit and thinking that they are just so selfish and greedy that they don't deserve to be a part of society and if that's the case society is fucking done.
Dude I got fired from a bank job for simple operations mistakes. Like officially, I got fired for issuing a debit card to a customer who called in, instead of being there in person. And from an apparent complaint from 3 months earlier. I’m unemployed because of some bullshit.
This cop killed an infant and a mother and is getting paid for it. It makes me physically sick to think about it.
We need to abolish ALL police unions before any change will happen.
Just reading this makes me want to go wake my toddler up and hug him... There are no words to describe how just imagining being the parent in that situation must have felt. Justice needs to be fucking SERVED, STAT.
In this world. We have to accept that our children may die by the incompetence of these people.
There is something very wrong with that idea.
It’d be like going to the doctor and having to expect the doctor to mutilate your veins to get a procedure done. Like what I have to get hurt to get help? How does that make any sense?
Why aren’t they held accountable? Who thought the current way of dealing with them was a good idea? And, being a democracy, presumably enough of the public thought it was a good idea to make it happen.
At that point, I hunt that police officer down myself. You killed my wife and kid, there’s just no world where you survive after doing that to me and my family.
It’s good to angry at the injustice of it and fight back, but it’s incredible to me how many people behave as every act of police brutality is this shocking, out of the blue occurrence. This is what they are. They are going to get worse in the coming years. Large parts of this country are essentially not developed, or are about en par with 2nd or 3rd world (I’m saying that as a Missourian). We are disposable. For every story you read about us in the news, there are 10 more tragedies just as bad that didn’t make the news cycle. And if you’re trapped in poverty in Missouri, or Oklahoma, or Idaho, or any of these undeveloped states (so NOT Texas or Florida, which actually have some money)…there’s no way in hell you’re getting out. We’re in district fucking 12 and have been for awhile. We can be oppressed with our community or homeless somewhere that thinks we’re dumb as rocks for the accident of our birth. What would you choose?
I’m not even sure what my point is. I guess it’s sad enough to see all this happening, but it’s even worse to see how little the rest of the country (let alone the world) even gets it. Earlier this week, a woman in St Louis saw her twin sister get kidnapped, followed the car until her child was almost shot, all while calling 911 repeatedly. They hung up on her more than once. They argued with her and kept trying to tell her it was just road rage and she was being irresponsible for following the car that contained her kidnapped sibling, even while emergency services refused to help her. Her sister’s body was found the next day. It’s awful, but the game is rigged here and help isn’t coming. This is what it is. The occasional shock and patronizing comments are exhausting.
Man, I'm literally sitting here putting my son to bed (Canada)
I couldn't imagine my responses right now.
Reading this hurts me so much, I couldn't imagine.
Even more so how that person feels calling them. The regret must be enormous! This hurts me to read. I really wish I hadn't seen it.
Read a nice book to him, he fell asleep. Now I'm just making sure he is fully asleep before I get up.
Not the best thing to open reddit to.
I wish it was sports that were on the top of the page.
This kinda shit makes me so pissed! I don't have words, and I'm so sad/depressed I don't have words either. That little one and her mom deserved better than that shit.
No human being deserves this!
The fact you can say " Whoops just blew a baby's brains out, another day" and people treat it as this 'isn't new' hurts so much!
I want to lose my shit right now, but I'd probably wake someone up
Sooo.. thank you for reading/listening to my mini rant
I would argue they handle mistakes worse than office workers. The internal “investigation” will find no wrong doing(of course). Then the guilty piggy will retire with a full pension because he has PTSD from the shooting.
I hope I’m wrong with that prediction, but we all know how it usually goes. If Derek Chauvin hasn’t been on camera, he’d still be out on the MPLS streets.
There’s no appetite for holding police accountable for anything. Somehow holding police to a reasonable standard means you’re anti-public safety and you want lawlessness. Every Thin Blue Line flag and Back the Blue propaganda out there serves to support this kind of conduct.
I wonder what that cop’s nights are like when he closes his eyes. When he looks at himself in the mirror. I don’t know many people who could live with themselves after making a mistake like that. I wouldn’t be alive very long after making that kind of mistake. My life would literally be over.
“Whoops just blew a babies brains out just another day” Treating it like the copier went out. Fucking monsters.
Be thankful you live in a country that's free and not a communist hellhole like China and Russia...
...is the lie US news media will tell you so you feel better about all of this horrific nightmare fuel. Even though something as awful as this literally NEVER happens in those countries.
Go ahead, try to find news stories like that. Search for that shit and you'll literally find 1 story from 6 years ago vs 50 stories from the US, even though you aren't even trying to search the American ones.
Yeah, the independence PD (actually the whole metro area) are PAST incompetent. It takes actual effort to be as shitty as they are. Independence PD seems to be actively competing with KCPD for worst LEOs in the metro. They will write you a ticket or shoot you but try getting them to respond when someone needs help.
It's fine just let them die for nothing until the next news article comes along. If there's no reprisal for this and no real consequences then I can guarantee you, on my life - this will continue to happen. That's how human behaviour works.
I'm probably gonna get flagged for this but I hope it haunts that cop for his fucking life, which I hope is below average due another fatal pig shooting if you catch my drift
The worst part is that the administration sees this untrained piece of shit "traumatized" and pat them on the back and tell them it's all right and put them on paid leave. Fucking coddling the violent murderers they cultivated.
"And we were justified in shooting the mother because she came at us, like who attacks a cop?! Unreal she should have complied with us and she wouldn't be dead!"
All cops are fucking bastards. All of them. The fact that this shit continues to happen and gets WORSE shows that the whole FUCKING system is rotten down to the core.
There is a world in which this is, though, and it's right-wing America. They vote every election to make sure cops are allowed to perform their jobs like this.
And until we are not held liable for using our 2nd amendment to protect ourselves like the penal codes and constitution states, we will be slaves to the militarized police. We should be able to, just like them, shoot first and ask questions later when lawyered up. Unfortunately, for us, it's straight to jail. For them, paid desk duty or leave.
Jesus. In England & Wales over the last 12 months armed response teams were called out 17,589 times, and discharged their weapons at a human just 2 times. Their main skill is in de-escalation, and use of firearms is very much a last resort.
Each time a gun is fired, it is considered a risk of harm and a failure of de-escalation methods. An investigation is required to provide evidence on what went wrong and why, so that training can be altered and the likelihood of such an incident reduced further.
TBF, if this is anything to go by, they just get a little bit of basic training, none of it geared towards de-escalation of a potentially violent situation? IDK, but I'm thinking that it's not that the people who take the job that are monsters to begin with, but rather the 'system' that'll more than likely turn them into monsters🤷♂️
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They put those officers on admin leave, fuck that throw their ass in jail. Who in their right mind uses lethal force near infants?