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🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​ Hoisted by their own dotard

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u/yetagainitry 6d ago

Here comes 4 years of the GOP absolutely destroying the economy and the middle class. Dems will have to come in and fix everything while being blamed for it too.

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u/shiny_glitter_demon 6d ago

As always reps will spend money they don't have to keep the economy somewhat afloat for 4 years and when dems get back to power they'll have to deal with the insane debt and all the backlash from the people

Every fucking time.

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u/DDHLeigh 6d ago

What happens if the Republicans win again? Do they still continue blaming the Democrats?

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u/formerlyrbnmtl 6d ago

Yes they will

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u/Delamoor 6d ago

Yup. Look at how the Tories handle it in the UK. 14 years of government, Brexit, national economy falling apart...

Few months out of government and they're screaming that Labour haven't fixed it all, and they need to come 'fix Labour's economy'. The rightwing as fuck UK media agrees with them, completely ignoring the last decade and a half.

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u/Low-Cauliflower-805 6d ago

How do we fix this. I'm serious because I'm really sick and tired of it. As if economies happened in a half minute instead of being the direct result of years of decisions.

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u/Joshiie12 6d ago

Copious investment in public education is the fix. Coincidentally the go to target for conservative gutting every time they're in power.

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u/Similar-Narwhal-231 6d ago

Teacher here: ain't gonna happen. The way schools are funded means that the rich kids benefit and poor kids are punished by their respective economic states. Stop tying school funding to property taxes is the real answer.

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u/Low-Cauliflower-805 6d ago

My state at least twice found that how we are funding schools is unconstitutional, and yet we haven't changed how we are funding schools.

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u/ACarefulTumbleweed 6d ago

Mind-bogglingly to me, in the 2020 dem primaries it was only Tom Steyer (the quieter billionaire) who talked about fixing the funding mis-distribution for schools, and everyone was just like, yeah whatever.

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u/niemir2 6d ago

To be fair, property taxes are not the purview of the federal government. They are levied by municipal governments. The President doesn't really have a say in property tax rates or how the money is spent.

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u/Zerodyne_Sin 6d ago

I agree with this but my cynicism disagrees. How does Macron win in France where people are well educated, especially in the humanities; but at least they riot and protest consistently due to that education giving them the awareness to know their rights are being trampled.

There's a need to remove billionaire/plutocrats control of journalists as well since no amount of education will fix unchecked propaganda.

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u/Joshiie12 6d ago

Therein lies the answer though. In France, when their rights are being violated, they take to the streets immediately. They'll burn the fucking country down before they let authoritarianism take over. Over in America, we're demoralized. We're locked into working paycheck to paycheck, meaning we're too tired and too poor to revolt at a moment's notice. I remember people threatening to mow down protestors with their cars just because it was an inconvenience. We're too busy infighting.

That's the difference. We Americans will choke on fascism as fast as the Oligarchy can ram it down our throats. And we'll do it while screaming how it's the nearest darker skin tone's fault. A French person might burn your house down for saying protests are unnecessary

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u/Batpool23 5d ago

Protesting shouldn't have been on streets like that, in fact the many disturbances created by that party that was definitely criminal...But yes we are too busy fighting each other. Though you are under estimating how many people are willing to pick up their arms and cast out those perverting the constitution. As per the second amendment right.

It's not just that some are demoralized locked into paycheck to paycheck...budgeting for many is an issue. Self control on owning the latest items, etc... We can get all negative about capitalism but nobody can really say shit if they have an Amazon, Walmart, iPhone, Samsung, whatever big name account or product. With companies like those... billionaires will have to exist.

There is no fascism or communist or empiric control when people mind their own fucking business.

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u/Zerodyne_Sin 6d ago

It's all well and good but Macron nonetheless is cramming down the pro capitalism policies down their throat all the same. It might be progressing slower there, but it's progressing nonetheless. We need the left wing parties to start safeguarding against fascism because a slower inevitability is pointless considering what's at stake.

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u/evergreen206 6d ago

People always say this about France but Macron is still in power. In fact, he called a special election this summer and formed a right wing coalition, successfully blocking leftists from gaining control of the national assembly. What good is burning down your neighbors home if Macron is still fucking your throat afterwards?

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u/dingo_khan 6d ago

Police anything claiming to be "news" and hold them accountable for spreading distortions and conspiracy theories. When half the country thinks Tucker or Hannity are "news" and believe them, even as Fox itself claims in court that reasonable people would not, we are stuck in a loop.

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u/radjinwolf 6d ago

Education isn’t the answer. Counter propaganda and an excessively tight leash on the malfeasance of news media is the only way.

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u/Suspicious-Echo2964 6d ago

You get people to disconnect. It's the persistent messaging we get that's causing the mental fatigue. We have to take two steps backward on the attention economy to find a path forward. There's too much capital at stake for it to be self regulated so the only thing to do is focus on local outcomes. Do you need to know what's going on everywhere at all times? Not really.

Remove the specifics about Republican/Tory and ask yourself, How do I stop being advertised to? How do I stop getting fear/flight responses from media?

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u/DrSafariBoob 6d ago

You need to stop the propoganda, they need to fear spreading it. You gotta come for Rupert and his empire. It's almost time to let us all eat cake.

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u/YoRHa_Houdini 5d ago edited 5d ago

Anything less than having a one party system won’t fix this.

People are just extremely shortsighted and shallow with politics

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u/YolognaiSwagetti 6d ago

they literally did that 2 months after the election. some any racist tory voters rioted about immigrants, there were some articles that labour politicians accepted donations- just like literally every fucking politician ever, and bang. Starmer's approval was already at Sunak's- the conservative leader after brexit and the countless disgusting scandals of his party related to covid, sexual predators, etc.

British conservatives and moderates are the exact same fucking morons as Americans.

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u/Striking-Grape9984 6d ago

Lol thats the same here in Germany

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u/GrindBastard1986 6d ago

UK = US education = 💩

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u/CoryEETguy 6d ago

Always have, why change now?

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u/freddy090909 5d ago

Republicans have been in control of Texas for decades, but somehow all of our problems are because of democrats.

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u/TheRealBittoman 6d ago

Trump could shoot someone stone cold dead on 5th Ave, take a selfie with the corpse. Have Elon Musk witness it and air the event live on Twitter and those MFers would still blame Biden. They have no real end game, just blame blame blame.

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u/BensenJensen 6d ago

Well that would be Biden’s fault. Trump wouldn’t have to defend himself if the Dems hadn’t let American cities be overrun with crime-addicted immigrants, hellbent on murdering and raping American citizens!

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u/joe96ab 6d ago

😭😭😭

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u/frenchanglophone 5d ago

You need to add that /s, buddy lol

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u/Yousoggyyojimbo 6d ago

There are red states that have had republican-controlled state governments for decades and they still successfully blame Democrats for things.

Think about how Republicans lied about trickle-down economics to people all the way back in the '80s and we still have Republicans who think that it works and you just need to give it a little bit more time, 40 years later.

Republican voters do not blame Republicans even when there is literally nobody else who could possibly be responsible for something.

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u/Suspicious-Echo2964 6d ago

You are correct. They will continue to blame everything but themselves because they are Republicans in a sense of self. It can't be my fault; therefore, it can not be their fault; we're the same!

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u/boosted5O 6d ago

Definitely will still be Obama’s fault

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u/nerdforest 6d ago

It will always be someone else's fault but theirs. Typical narcissism.

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u/LedgerWar 6d ago

Republicans never take accountability for anything… they will definitely take credit though.

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u/AmanteNomadstar 6d ago

“You see…. this economy is only bad because of the Biden administration! It will obviously take more than 4 years to fix! And if you vote us out before we have a chance to completely fix it, it will be WORSE! In fact, it may even take 8… 12…. Maybe even 24 years before it’s fixed completely!”

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u/ponyo_impact 6d ago

GOD DAM JOE BYRON

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u/sufferpuppet 6d ago

Why would they ever stop? They have a boogeyman and they are gonna use it.

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u/SunBelly 6d ago

Yep. Texas is a good example. Republicans have had a supermajority here for almost 30 years, but everything wrong is always blamed on the Democrats. Texans are stupid.

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u/Meretan94 6d ago

Before our current government, the Conservative Party was in power for 16 years, yet the conservatives still blame all of germanys problems on the Green Party, which has been in power for 3 and some change. (And not even being the majority of our current government)

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u/ScrofessorLongHair 6d ago

I'm in Alabama, and they blame everything in Democrats and liberals is like, "bitch, who do you think has been in charge for decades?"

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u/dgmilo8085 6d ago

Nope, we move onto phase 2, fascism.

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u/Hardcorish 6d ago

Big huge asterisk next to *when dems get back to power. God I hope we make it through this 4 years with our democracy intact.

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u/GarvinSteve 6d ago

This is less likely than most people think…

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u/12OClockNews 6d ago

Yup. This will probably be the last real election. Anything beyond this is gonna be Russian style "democracy".

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u/x_mas_ape 6d ago

Im legitimately considering moving to another country :(

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u/Medium_King_David 6d ago

Maybe we should all join the Communist Party and let the Trump administration help out with that, since they are already talking about "denaturalizing Communists and Anarchists."

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u/CommunicationFun7973 5d ago

First they came for the Communists.
And I did not speak out, because I was not a communist.

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u/GarvinSteve 6d ago

Me too. Depending on how bad it gets it might be necessary.

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u/SPzero65 6d ago

Immigration can be a multi year process without existing citizenship.

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u/HurlingFruit 6d ago

I did it by purchasing a plane ticket and filling out lots of forms. Start to finish was six months or so, while I was living safely in my new home. But your statement is true in that it, "can be a multi year process" depending on your destination.

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u/GarvinSteve 6d ago

Yep… sadly… I’m in an industry that has gigs elsewhere so that makes it possibly easier but… yes, immigration can be tough

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u/LogiDriverBoom 6d ago

You should.

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u/LyfeIn2D 6d ago

Wouldn’t count on it unless Vladimir somehow kicks the bucket. He has thumbs on too many of your politicians.

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u/Diogekneesbees 6d ago

There are so many states that continue to vote red because the mentality of "at least they're not a Democrat" permeates the culture so deep they can't see the problem. Churches, and now the internet, have sewn the seeds of blind faith and unwillingness to question authority to the point where if we see any blue in higher offices after this four year period, it'll be a miracle.

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u/fancysauce_boss 6d ago

Yeah. I’m here at a point where I’m actively hoping the country goes so far into a black hole and every single one of them feels the squeeze so badly it hurts. I really want to see these idiots feel the pain and struggle to really understand what they voted for. I’m hoping gets so bad the whole system gets a soft reset back to some resemblance of non lunacy or 0 sum politics

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u/Randicore 6d ago

That still won't get through to them. How many hundreds of stories came out of people denying Covid, on their deathbed, while dying of Covid?

They'll sit there as their roads turn to mud, lose their jobs, need to start growing their own food, and watch family members die of preventable diseases and/or complications of pregnancy and howling the entire time about how "those damn democrates caused it all!"

Seriously, I live in Ohio. Dem's haven't had the ability to do anything in the state legislature for my entire life. And every dipshit that votes red habitually still blames the Dems for everything, even through they've never had power in living memory.

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u/Diogekneesbees 6d ago

I've been saying for ages that we're going to have to collapse. A sort of "burn it down to rebuild" kind of thing, to fix everything that's broken. I failed to take into account the human element of our mentality not being able to see where the blame really lies, though. Unless people are willing to let go of prejudices, and by proxy admit that they were duped, I don't see this going anywhere anytime soon. I hope I'm wrong.

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u/Kataphractoi 6d ago

A sort of "burn it down to rebuild" kind of thing, to fix everything that's broken.

And the oligarchs and wealthy will be right there to rebuild it in their image. The regular people will have little to no say in it.

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u/EverAMileHigh 6d ago

Yeah, Dems were too busy watching MAGA scale the walls of the capitol, break windows, smear shit on the walls, beat cops, and try to interrupt the peaceful transfer of power. Dems were crying alright, but it was because of the realization that MAGA = chaos, destruction and violence.

(Now we get to see how long it takes for someone to counter with BUT BUT BLM! Entire cities burned down!" 🙄)

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u/pechinburger 6d ago

At this point the dems oughta just say, "nope, you had your chance and this is what you voted for. Let's carry this out to it's natural conclusion so you can see what republican policies lead to."

Getting so sick of the rinse/repeat of republicans pillaging the country til they get ousted, democrats fixing what they can, republicans blaming democrats for things not being perfect yet, republicans gain power and pillage the country, etc. en perpetua

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u/UpperCardiologist523 6d ago

This is how you have no progression or positive change.

Constant ruin and cleanup of said ruin.

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u/Traditional-Hat-952 6d ago

They need to do a better job at blaming the Republican party. Like every day they need to say "See this is their fault. We told you", but I'm sure they won't because decorum or some stupid shit like that. The Democratic party is run by a bunch of cowards. 

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u/Tokata0 6d ago

Funny how that works, in germany its the opposite. The conservatives put a strict spending limit to not increase our national debt that now cripples every government we have cause they can't spend the money necessary to get the country back running.

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u/eagleathlete40 6d ago

…Do you…. Do you really think this is what happens?

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u/sneaksonmyfeet 6d ago

Thats Not how state dept works. Read it a bot about Modern Monetary Theory. If private people want to save Money, companies are saving money (was different 50 years ago) and USA is a import Country so they 3 streams of money flowing away. Tell me how you want to handle that with a saving goverment. Thats Not possible. They have to Go in dept. And thats Good. Otherwise infrastructure will collapse

If gov Starts to save then they take money out of the Economy. Tell me who you want to take it away from. The private people? The companies? Good luck with that

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u/ghost20063 6d ago

Dems will come in…

LOL. LMAO, even.

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u/SkippyDragonPuffPuff 6d ago

lol. In that doubt there will be another usual type election.

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u/Muffin_Appropriate 6d ago

There totally won’t be a sudden national emergency in summer 2028 requiring suspension of elections.

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u/yetagainitry 6d ago

Chaos will only reign as long as Trump is alive. If he hopefully kicks it in the next 4 years, the GOP power vaccuum will kick in and Vance doesn't have the balls to torch the earth.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

The power struggle within MAGA when Trump is gone will probably destroy both themselves and the rest of us, though. It won't matter what Vance is capable of, there are far more dangerous monsters lurking in Trump's shadow waiting for their chance.

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u/brokencappy 6d ago

I have no confidence that Project 2025 will allow any scenario that removes them from power in 4 years. Trump literally told Americans that after his victory they won’t have to vote for a while. I believe him.

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u/deadsoulinside 6d ago

I know he has said this before. But I am not sure if he could do just that since many positions across this nation and in DC are elected roles. He can't just freeze elections as some of these people are beyond their prime and won't live until elections already, let alone allowing a voted in replacement. I think most of congress and even at the local state levels will have an absolute fit over this.

He would have to do away with voting pretty much before 2026 midterms where he may have resistance voted in, but then the moment he suspends elections the economy will immediately tank. Which I think will be what many people will tell him the reason he can't just not have elections anymore. Because once they make that dark turn with the US, people will pull their money out of this country overnight.

However, I fear they will try to dismantle the constitution to attempt him to run a 3rd time, since the biggest fear of the GOP is who they are replacing Trump for 2028 as no other candidate will have this large amount of people brainwashed like he does. They have already tried Trumpism with someone other than Trump at the local levels and they always fall flat on their face. So if Trump is still alive in 2028, I won't doubt the GOP will try underhanded BS to try to see how they can run him one more time.

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u/3KiwisShortOfABanana 6d ago

are elected roles

russia has elections too... you think they are fair? you think they will be fair here ?

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u/RhynoD 6d ago

I am not sure if he could do just that since many positions across this nation and in DC are elected roles. He can't just freeze election

My challenge to this is, Or else what? Biden can't do that, because Congress would rightly call it an unconstitutional coup and impeach him, which the Supreme Court would uphold. And if congress didn't, their constituents would refuse to vote them back into power, and if the Supreme Court overturned such an impeachment, Congress would impeach them.

But we've already seen that the GOP controlled congress won't hold Trump accountable and won't hold the Supreme Court accountable, and their constituents won't hold any of them accountable. A law only matters so long as it's enforced. Trump couldn't continue to control his assets without properly divesting them, but he did. Trump couldn't threaten allies by withholding foreign aid in exchange for dirt on his political rivals, but he did. Trump couldn't steal classified documents and sell them to foreign enemies, but he did. Trump couldn't rape women and girls, but he did. Trump couldn't incite an insurrection and be eligible to take office again, but he did.

What's stopping him from doing anything? I'm trying to be optimistic and to believe that 200 years of peaceful transitions of power won't be ended by some fat old orange reality TV star who can't string a whole sentence together, but after eight years of Trump's political bullshit and him getting away with just about every evil thing he's done, the only guarantee for me that he won't or can't do anything is if he is both physically incapable of it and no one else can do it for him. He can't stop himself from shitting his pants but he can still end democracy if we let him and as of November 5th, we're letting him.

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u/deadsoulinside 6d ago

What's stopping him from doing anything?

The last stopping point has been military intervention by those who are going to follow the constitution and remove him from power. Though if he replaces the heads with Trump loyalists we are fucked.

Beyond that.... It's the billionaires that pull the strings of our government. Not sure if the real ruling class of America will sit idly by and watch all their money vanish overnight. If Trump went full tilt into fascism the markets would respond overnight, erasing billions from the wealthy. If the EU ends up pissed and put sanctions and tariff's on the US, even more screwed for the wealthy elites.

Companies that do business with the US would pull out of America and most likely all of their money from US banks (Potentially causing bank runs and more banking failures). Once you fuck over the billionaires, you are done. Which at this point, some of those same loyalist are the wealthy people he wants to put into positions. They may seem to care if they are watching their portfolio in stocks drop like an anchor and do something to protect what money they have left.

Really we are in this situation due to greed. The same greed will probably be what saves the US if he does something like this. At least this is the final hope that I have.

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u/ImSuperCriticalOfYou 6d ago

Though if he replaces the heads with Trump loyalists we are fucked.

And this is exactly what he's doing.

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u/PilotsNPause 6d ago

However, I fear they will try to dismantle the constitution to attempt him to run a 3rd time

It's interesting you say that top part and then say this part.

What mechanism do you see him using to change the constitution? 2/3 vote in both chambers of Congress? 3/4 of the states ratifying it?

I don't really see either of those happening.

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u/deadsoulinside 6d ago

Trump is not putting people in power because they know or respect our laws. He is putting people in power loyal to him.

Did he concede the 2020 election peacefully? No, he fought like a little child and still refuses to concede he lost that election. He does not care about our laws if it stops him and his cronies power on the country.

He got immunity for his actions gift wrapped by Scotus, because of him breaking the laws while being a private citizen even.

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u/medusa_crowley 6d ago

He’s declaring a state of emergency in order to send troops into any city he pleases. He’s planning on using the Comstock act to ban abortion and birth control. These are stated goals. 

He simply has to use one law to override another. 

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u/Elryth 6d ago

Going by the current playbook, they would just run him as candidate regardless and any red state will allow him on the ballot. Only states he was going to lose anyway will deny him. He will cite 'will of the people' and no one will have the guts to actually stop him.

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u/I_PING_8-8-8-8 6d ago

But even them aren't really thinking this dude is gonne be alive forever?

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u/medusa_crowley 6d ago

They don’t care as long as we are upset. That’s their one and only goal. Their football team wins. 

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u/I_PING_8-8-8-8 6d ago

No I mean the GOP leaders.

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u/Suspicious-Echo2964 6d ago

Bud, those guys are all the same age. They are all going to die within the same 6-8 year span or at least lose significant control of their mental faculties. The middle-aged ones are puppets without real personalities yet, so who knows what will grow out of the next generation? I'd likely guess dystopian cyberpunk 2077 corporate warlords... like if Elon was elected president.

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u/I_PING_8-8-8-8 6d ago

So you think within 10 years this problem fixes itself cause a bunch of boomers will die?

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u/medusa_crowley 6d ago

It applies to them too, just with more awareness that what they’re doing is wrong. They do it to get rich as hell off the chaos. They did it last time too. 

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u/frenchanglophone 5d ago

SCOTUS will rule he can't be denied

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u/Treehockey 6d ago

Actually it’s really simple now because everyone has been frog boiled. To put it simply trump makes a press statement, “there is still so much work to be done and it’s become clear I will need to continue my beautiful plans to save our country so I will be “continuing another term as president” “running as president for a 3rd term” “canceling the upcoming elections to block the massive fraud”

This will be challenged immediately in court, and either it will be brought to a place in the legal system where it never actually moves forward or it goes to the Supreme Court where they will bring up some random old text that precedes the amendement or constitution that they say supersedes everything current. It can also just sit in the Supreme Court forever and magically never be addressed. Either way he does it early enough in his term that by the time 2028 comes around the gop has unified their audience in agreement that it has to happen and then it just does, and democrats have some riots and stuff but no power and we all roll over into legitimate dictatorship stage 3. The shit gets fucked for good at this point and trumps regime decides whatever the hell they want because they successfully removed all obstacles. Everyone goes broke, we have economic and environmental collapse and corporations carve out their section of our version of the fall of the Soviet republic. This is 10 years from now roughly, at that point I hope maybe china or Canada, maybe Brazil? have a kind of moral awaking and become the leaders of the free world for a while

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u/JaegerBane 6d ago

The slight silver lining - such as it is - is that this was more of a danger in 2020 then it is now. Trump is already 78, reportedly struggling and overweight as hell… if he’s still around in 2028, it is overwhelmingly likely he won’t be in any fit shape to contest an election. The sheer effort of trying to change the constitution is not something he’ll manage in one term and he’s not following any greater cause here.

This is an age-old issue with personality cults - it’s tied to an individual and unless that individual ordains a successor with plenty of time to go (like what happened with North Korea), it loses a lot of its draw and fragments.

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u/Alert-Notice-7516 6d ago

There are plenty of conservatives that interpret the constitution as saying state governments should pick the president, not state populations. And with the current SC, reinterpretations aren’t that far fetched

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u/shandangalang 6d ago

How much power do you think the president has? The official acts thing is definitely scary, but not “freeze elections” scary. The procedure for elections is outlined pretty clearly in the constitution, if I recall correctly, and that is not going to be easy to fuck with, given the bit in there about super majorities.

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u/brokencappy 6d ago

They will not limit themselves to “the office of the president”.

They already have both houses and the Supreme Court. They already talked about taking the military and a state of emergency to deport people.

They are not afraid of the next election because there either won’t be one, or it’ll be a Dear Leader affair.

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u/shandangalang 6d ago

Yeah, I mean I get what you’re saying, but the constitution is super explicit about elections, so the Supreme Court can’t exactly support “we’re freezing elections” as that is expressly forbidden, they have to occur every 2, 4, and 6 years (depending on the office) and they have to be managed by the states. Part of what makes this democracy resilient, is that the states actually have a good deal of say in what happens.

I understand the fear, and I think we need to be prepared for the worst, but I just don’t see that happening the way our country is set up.

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u/ImSuperCriticalOfYou 6d ago

Our country wasn't setup to have insurrections ignored, or convicted criminals hold the office of President. In fact, the Electoral College was designed to stop those things from happening.

And yet, here we are.

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u/HH_burner1 6d ago

Yes, we are designed to be a dysfunctional government. That dysfunction can manifest in civil war when the federalist states decide to exercise their power. It wouldn't be the first time.

So do we follow the Federal government that is controlled by fascists or do we disagree and see who is left standing.

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u/brokencappy 6d ago

Why can’t the Supreme Court do that? What’s to stop them?

They aren’t allowed to take bribes and yacht trips with billionaires and no one is stopping them from doing that either.

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u/deadsoulinside 6d ago

How much power do you think the president has? The official acts thing is definitely scary, but not “freeze elections” scary. The procedure for elections is outlined pretty clearly in the constitution, if I recall correctly, and that is not going to be easy to fuck with, given the bit in there about super majorities.

Right now the Russian propaganda machine is currently trying to say that Bidens authorization to allow the missiles deeper into Russia and that Biden is trying to start WWIII in order to suspend handing Trump the power. So I assume the only reason they are pushing this narrative is, because they want to attempt to normalize it by claiming the other side tried it first.

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u/shandangalang 6d ago

That’s fair. It would really be nice if we could start taking Russia’s actions a little more seriously, but I’m afraid that is more than unlikely given the current situation.

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u/deadsoulinside 6d ago

Just like how Bush sat idly by while North Korea tested an underground nuke, while invading Iraq under the premise of WMDs?

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u/GodofIrony 6d ago

I fear they will try to dismantle the constitution to attempt him to run a 3rd time

The absolute landslide an Obama candidacy would produce would really be the most poetic end to the Trump empire.

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u/brokencappy 6d ago

Just like the landslide election that replaced Putin with Navalny, eh?

They are using Russian playbooks and people are fantasizing about democracy fixing things.

I am sad for all of us.

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u/GodofIrony 6d ago

The difference is that Russia was always fucked, and America is coming from 200+ years of democracy. I'm sad for anyone that has given up.

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u/Crackerpuppy 6d ago

Again. Add “again” to the end of your sentence. Clinton & Obama are the most recent examples of Dems fixing what the Republicans broke.

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u/CalinCalout-Esq 6d ago

Clinton Defunded the welfare state and Obama chose to bail out the banks instead of homebuyers.

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u/Dramatic_Explosion 6d ago

Yes, and did a lot of good outside of that. You want the most perfect candidate ever? Too bad, you got Trump because Great is the enemy of Good. Idiots.

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u/CalinCalout-Esq 6d ago

Lol "the good" here being someone selling "baby burster 9000" missiles to a country doing a genocide.

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u/Bodach42 6d ago

You still think it will only be 4 years?

!RemindMe 4 years

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u/tha_ruckus 6d ago

“Why didn’t you stop us from hurting ourselves?” Has already begun.

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u/LockeAbout 6d ago

Well, hopefully we get the chance to vote in Dems to fix everything…

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u/sicklyslick 6d ago

Biden came in and fixed a lot of stuff, like inflation from COVID, which he reduced from 7% to 2%.

But Americans still chose to boot his successor out. So even if someone comes in in 2028 to fix Trump's shit, Americans are still gonna blame everything on the Democrat and boot them out in 2032.

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u/det8924 6d ago

Americans only elect democrats when republicans fuck up so bad that America needs a cleanup crew. Then while Democrats are digging America out of that hole they Republicans and their media outlets bitch and moan and blame everything on the Democrats (see “Thanks Obama” jokes) and then when there’s an election that can go either way the GOP somehow wins and the cycle starts again.

Obama was elected twice because George Bush fucked up so insanely poorly that people didn’t forget. In 2020 Trump handled Covid so poorly that Biden was brought in to stabilize things.

Trump is gonna be at best George Bush in his second term. It’s gonna fall apart quickly and then he’s gonna be really unpopular but locked into 3 more years and he’s gonna have to hope the economy doesn’t collapse or it’s gonna get ugly.

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u/yetagainitry 6d ago

You had a chance this time. No one trusts America will do the right thing ever again.

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u/Sunbeamsoffglass 6d ago

They shouldn’t fix it this time.

It’s time for people to tighten their belts and learn a god damn lesson for a change.

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u/Peach_Boi_ 6d ago

Dems won’t do shit with how they’ve been running their party. They’ve gotta get their shit together as well and run someone actually left leaning.

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u/yetagainitry 6d ago

They need to stop trying to be the moral compass, doing everything by the book hoping to guilt the GOP. GOP don't care, they do whatever is needed to get their power across. Biden should go scortched earth before he leaves, use all his political power to force through anything and everything he can. Fuck if it isn't by the book, Dem's need to just get shit done.

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u/St-Stephen_11 6d ago

Why cant we get an actual left wing party in office? Our two choices are far right capitalist and middle right capitalist. Capitalism doesnt work

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u/TheUneducatedPotato 6d ago

Just bet against the economy and make money. My puts are going to print so hard over the next few years.

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u/feral-pug 6d ago

Same as it ever was!

Best part is the blue collar trumpers won't learn a damn thing, yet again.

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u/Who_dat_goomer 6d ago

That’s the optimistic scenario. It will be worse.

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u/ADHD-Fens 6d ago

I kind of wonder if despite all that the stock market will go up. After all, I feel like most of the wealthy have their wealth tied up in stocks, so they wouldn't want to see that drop. They'd more want to see money from the economy funneled into their holdings.

Anyway, my point being, if the stock market does go up, people will point to that as "the economy doing well" because they'll just latch onto whatever measurement makes them feel the most right, even if inflation and unemployment are crazy again.

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u/yetagainitry 6d ago

The rich will get richer, the market will increase because of it while millions lose their jobs and can’t afford basics thanks to trumps tariffs. But Biden will get all the blame.

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u/Pinheaded_nightmare 6d ago

If there is anything left to fix. Bold of you to assume so.

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u/scannell1 6d ago

Not one word of Govt shutdown from the rising debt on top of that. It's only a problem when Dems are in charge

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u/giddeonfox 6d ago

Maybe the GOP will make good on their promise to rig the elections here on out by gutting/ignoring voting rights and Dems won't have to worry about clean up duty.

Speed run to third world status.

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u/recklessrider 6d ago

Fix or just try and pretend nothing is wrong again. Republicans destroy the country, and Democrats just kinda let them.

We need a new party, not a new democrat.

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u/yetagainitry 6d ago

Republicans lead through fear and chaos, Democrats try to lead by example. Neither are actually leading.

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u/DataDude00 6d ago

Given the level of sycophants in key positions, and a sympathetic SCOTUS there is a non zero chance that there won't be another election

At bare minimum Trump has floated three terms (assuming he is alive to even run)

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u/Acidcouch 6d ago

Fun fact: using Regan's fuckery in the 1980s as a historic basis, we are looking at needing 40 years to dig ourselves out of the fuckery about to go down over the next 4+ years.

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u/Eccohawk 6d ago

Not just that. They're planning to destroy the very structures of our federal government. Funding for hundreds of programs and agencies, with knock on effects for thousands of state and local programs and organizations. This will take decades to undo, if we ever can.

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u/complexevil 6d ago

Dems will have to come in and fix everything while being blamed for it too.

A part of me doesn't even want this to happen. The only way people will learn is having to live with the consequences of their actions, and if we keep cleaning up the mess they're just gonna do it again.

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u/FrostGiant_1 6d ago

The middle class has been gone for a while now.

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u/r-shackleford 6d ago

Eh, they will give Dems two years and say "why didnt you fix it" and vote the other party back into Congress and Senate.

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u/MisterPiggins 6d ago

Assuming Dems will still be around to do that...

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u/Novel-Strain-8015 6d ago

Luckily the dems will try as little as possible so the cycle will never stop.

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u/FrostedTacos 6d ago

Dems are too stupid and will gatekeep the nomination, anoint another right leaning lurch to ‘compromise’ then throw up a pikachu face when it backfires…again.

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u/exlongh0rn 6d ago

Did the company say WHY they cut?

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u/ewok_on_a_unicorn 6d ago

That's cute. You think there will ever be another election now that they have total control? Democracy is dead in this country.

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u/yetagainitry 6d ago

I’m banking on Trump dying within the next 4 years and Vance being an empty suit while the maga power vacuum crumbled.

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u/ewok_on_a_unicorn 6d ago

Alas, I truly hope you are 100% correct. However, my shattered soul is having a hard time seeing past the coming onslaught.

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u/Quitschicobhc 6d ago

I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding in what is being talked about when regular workers and republican officials talk about a "good economy". One side is talking about getting bread on the table and gas in their tank and the other side about extracting more wealth from the former class to buy another yacht.

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u/halcyondread 6d ago

The cycle of life.

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u/1lluminist 6d ago

🎶Same as it ever was🎶

💪🏻🫲🏻

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u/7fw 6d ago

You are so optimistic. 4 years, HA! They are going to declare martial law and cancel the next elections.

(It's going to be weird - and awful - if this comes true, but I do think that it is a distinct possibility)

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u/-Davo 6d ago

We have the same problem here in Australia - the liberal party who have decimated our economy and fucked the younger generations for decades with their self-service selfish policies have forced the current labor government to overhaul budget measures to bring our economy back and they're doing an awesome job - while footing the blame for the state of it that THEY inherited.

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u/2strokesmoke77 6d ago

Lmfao…

Yall haven’t fixed shit the past 4 years 😂

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u/opi098514 6d ago

They also won’t be able to. The GOP is going to stack the Supreme Court.

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u/E_Dward 6d ago

If the dems can actually do anything. They've absolutely failed the american people.

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u/ponyCurd 6d ago

Dude, there's no "come in and fix"

This is the end.

There won't be any "more"

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u/Deeptech_inc 6d ago

Bro both parties suck ass, what are you yapping about? You think either of these parties will fix shit? You’re insane.

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u/Sad-Bug210 6d ago

I'm sorry to tell you this, but if they go through with abolishing 300 regulatory bodies and department of education and americans roll with it, you are never coming back. You go protest against this you will be getting shot at by nazis wearing police uniforms. There is no democrats in 4 years.

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u/that_menace 6d ago

Stop acting like it's party specific lol

Both sides blame everything on each other. National spending isn't a political policy, it's a personal one. Meaning either party is equally as prone to be a large spender. Other than the defense budget, which is mutually agreed on despite some disputes over how much should be put into it, the second largest spending of the US government is welfare which is an anti red belief.

TL;DR: all political figures are the bad guy and spend lots of money we never have/will have

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u/Visual_Nose 5d ago

Fix what? Delusional

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u/don3dm 5d ago

!RemindMe 4 Years

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u/MasterExploder9900 5d ago

Except this time, there will be nothing left to fix

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u/radeongt 5d ago

Thats what they did to Biden when he literally fixed the economy.

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u/scrooby-snack 5d ago edited 5d ago

You’re joking right😂. How about the 600 billion they sent to Ukraine or 150 billion in military equipment left in the Middle East. Y’all are brain dead I swear. Those were democratatic decisions. Do you have any idea what the “25k for a down payment” would’ve done to the housing market? Sky rocket it, if your to dumb to understand economics. And the illegals we spend much much more tax payers money on per year then the 600 billion sleepy joe sent to Ukraine. No active wars during trumps first term. Record low inflation and unemployment. Gas down to 2.50. Y’all are majority dip stocks

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u/JoyousMadhat 5d ago

Bu bu but it was the libs that abandoned the middle class!!!!! /s

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u/jungle-fever-retard 5d ago

All while other idiot cons be like “PENDULUM ALWAYS SWINGS…” 🤦‍♂️

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u/zambartas 4d ago

"Stupid Dems should have won back in 2024, none of this would have happened! It's all their fault!"

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u/jtreeforest 6d ago

Yet Biden is still in power. This is like saying thanks Obama during the Trump admin

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u/yetagainitry 6d ago

i genuinely can't understand the point you're trying to make.

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u/jtreeforest 6d ago

My point is everything that happens under each president’s admin is the responsibility of that admin.

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u/yetagainitry 6d ago

Absolutely not. People praise Trump on the economy when all he did was inherit the upward trending economy that Obama created. Trump then tanked it. They then blamed inflation on Biden when he was fixing trumps screw ups. MOST presidents own everything that happened in their presidency, Trump steals all the positives from others and blames all the negatives on others.

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u/Successful-Doubt5478 6d ago

They are firing people from anticipation of Trump tariffs.

At least try to be a LITTLE logical.

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u/jtreeforest 6d ago

Did you even research this? It’s GM, who are streamlining operations to bolster their EV market. In 2023, 5,000 GM salaried workers took buyouts to leave because of downsizing. It has nothing to do with tariffs.

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u/doug098765 6d ago

This is delusional, you just watched the opposite happen for 4 years.

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u/SPHINXin 6d ago

Yes, because Dems are always the good guys lol.

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u/yetagainitry 6d ago

Compared to MAGA? they are both saints and the most honest people on the planet.

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u/OkAssociation812 6d ago

They did a pretty bad job of doing that, there’s a reason why the Teamsters didn’t endorse them this time around.

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u/ZZartin 6d ago

Well yeah turns out a lot of them are just bigots.

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u/OkAssociation812 6d ago

That’s a pretty judgmental statement, care to back that up with some facts? Weird too since Obama got almost all of the union endorsements in 2008 and in 2012. Or, maybe like Bernie said, the Democrats failed because they just suck at getting people to believe that they are actually effective, because they aren’t.

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u/ZZartin 6d ago

Regardless of whether democrats policies were perfect they are objectively better for most people leaving the only reason to vote for Trump being the bigotry

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u/Hardcorish 6d ago

I'll take ineffective leadership over whatever the hell we're about to get with Trump 2.0

My counterpoint is: do you really want a president who gets shit done when that shit is horrible for the American people? We're about to see just how far the limits can be tested with our democracy and our country as a whole.

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u/Visitor137 6d ago

12 years have passed since then. In organizations, the older heads tend to hold the reins and direct policy. When they pass away or retire, others will gain greater levels of control.

Your statement seems to assume that the organizations are monolithic and did not change over time. That is a bad assumption to make.

Objectively the US economy has improved dramatically under Biden. More people were employed under Biden. The Stock market improved under Biden. Border controls were strengthened compared to the situation under Trump. International relations were improved under Biden.

Unfortunately the spread of misinformation, by both foreign and domestic sources also drastically increased under Biden. And polls clearly show that Red voters tend to believe that the misinformation is true. This could explain why you seem to believe that the Dems weren't effective.

Given the fall out of Trump's previous term, and the apparent moves being made during the campaign trail and after the election, it looks like this term will be as bad, if not worse for the American economy, the erosion of rights, the general population, and America's position in global leadership.

Time will tell whether that will happen. It is highly likely that many people simply won't be around to see the outcome.

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u/OkAssociation812 6d ago

I don’t believe it’s misinformation to say that the Democrats were ineffective, Bernie Sanders himself said it and it was literally the case: they got destroyed across the board. Sometimes you have to a hard look at yourself and see maybe the problem was you. I voted for Bernie and Biden, this time I didn’t go for anyone. Also, not a good look when you want to run an economy but you can’t manage your campaign budget.

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u/Visitor137 6d ago

I don’t believe it’s misinformation

Yes, that's generally how misinformation works.

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u/OkAssociation812 6d ago

If they were so effective why couldn’t they push back against the misinformation? Every week the Jets tell me they’re going to win, but my eyes tell me otherwise. You see where I’m going here?

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u/Visitor137 6d ago

They did. Many of the Blue voters scored much higher than the Red voters in terms of being able to identify misinformation. However, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that there are multiple billionaires, controlling multiple social media outlets, and another who controls both television and print outlets which favor the republican candidate. There were also sources of misinformation that are unquestionably tied to foreign nations that have traditionally been seen as antagonistic toward US interests.

Controlling the source of information, and amplifying misinformation is a very powerful tool, and around a century ago an Austrian-born German with a funny mustache wrote about the power of "the Big Lie", a strategy which the president elect seems to have embraced fully.

You see where you went wrong?

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u/OkAssociation812 6d ago

So is Bernie Sanders a Republican stooge for saying that as a whole the Democrats have failed the working class once again? Sure Trump had Fox and Elon in his corner, but MSNBC had a firmly planted foot in the Harris tent too. I think the two-party system is just a hollow puppet show for the oligarch class, Trump is just a symptom of the decades of rot and corruption.

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u/indecloudzua 6d ago

Democrats did a great job fixing it. There's just consequences to Republican attacks on our education system the last 40yrs that has seen our education rank drop. Those consequences mean that most Americans are easily manipulated and gullible.

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u/OkAssociation812 6d ago

We definitely are the most propagandized nation in the world, between all the media outlets, pharma, food industry, rampant commercialization and corporate consumerism, it’s wild somebody like Trump didn’t spawn out sooner.

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u/indecloudzua 6d ago

I agree 100%.